← Home ← Back to /biz/

Thread 60906109

65 posts 22 images 53 unique posters /biz/
Anonymous (ID: i/5R10Hb) No.60906109 >>60906141 >>60906229 >>60906340 >>60906447 >>60906974 >>60906976 >>60907239 >>60907243 >>60907570
>lets replace taxes with taxes
Anonymous (ID: yLmIYhiB) No.60906141 >>60906241 >>60906249 >>60906330 >>60906340 >>60906381 >>60906627 >>60906732 >>60906757 >>60907402
>>60906109 (OP)
yeah he still doesn't understand that Americans are paying the tariffs. it's a little sad
Anonymous (ID: rKPaPaW5) No.60906150 >>60907334 >>60907562
This will only hurt consoomers, stackers and savers will benefit
Anonymous (ID: cBRfOzdF) No.60906151 >>60906340 >>60907480
Id much rather pay a consumption tax like tarrifs over an income tax

I know its worse for companies and thus the stock market but for me personally I would be able save much more and eating ramen wouldn't be a huge cope
Anonymous (ID: +/7RLrS8) No.60906229 >>60906247 >>60906962
>>60906109 (OP)
Some taxes are worse than others. Taxes that punish earning, saving, and investment are worse than taxes that punish consumption. I would much prefer higher prices on imported goods to the income tax. The CGT is particularly horrible.
Anonymous (ID: pwqu0TRz) No.60906241 >>60906252 >>60906254 >>60906258 >>60906259 >>60906475 >>60906759 >>60906859 >>60906938
>>60906141
Made in America is an option sometimes. It will make American made goods more desirable. I’m not a consoomer. I voted for this.
Anonymous (ID: yLmIYhiB) No.60906247 >>60906536
>>60906229
>Some taxes are worse than others.
You're right. Consumption taxes, for instance, drive up all costs and crush economic activity
Anonymous (ID: QuiSHp2Q) No.60906249 >>60906980
>>60906141
Not according to PCE, and Fed will confirm by lowering rates. Keep seething.
Anonymous (ID: yLmIYhiB) No.60906252
>>60906241
t. bot
Anonymous (ID: Rrq6asgN) No.60906254 >>60906257 >>60906539
>>60906241
There was a time when Made in America meant something. Like you could actually trust in the quality of the product and would pay premium for it. Those times are long gone now.
Anonymous (ID: cBRfOzdF) No.60906257
>>60906254
The materials are still better. I bought some steel products for work and the American steel is way better than asian crap
Anonymous (ID: KvZKYgD2) No.60906258 >>60906771 >>60906774
>>60906241

>im not a consoomer
>i dont buy groceries, clothes, or gasoline

uh huh
Anonymous (ID: xvd6zetF) No.60906259
>>60906241
>he doesn't know that he and the seller are not the only parties involved in production
Not surprising for a migger.
>inb4: reeeee cope and seethe democrat!!1
Anonymous (ID: DPU5E5kL) No.60906330 >>60906418 >>60907341 >>60907402 >>60907411
>>60906141
I swear all liberals are the most financially illiterate people on the planet. You can control how much you consume, so you can control how much you are taxed. You can not control how much the IRS, state, and local government wants to tax you.
Anonymous (ID: OSx0/ECg) No.60906340 >>60906553 >>60907402
>>60906109 (OP)
>>60906141
>>60906151
Remember when Trump made fun of DeSantis for supporting a bill on Congress that would have abolished the IRS and replaced income tax with a national sales tax?
Well now you get a national sales tax AND an income tax.
Anonymous (ID: Ey3i/dry) No.60906381
>>60906141
Why do you hate American businesses? You people are literally insane
Anonymous (ID: VclGu7SW) No.60906418 >>60906475
>>60906330
>just don't buy anything so you won't be taxed
are you retarded?
Anonymous (ID: xsETrE9p) No.60906447
>>60906109 (OP)
>he can't tax the heckin funko pops! this is facism!
Anonymous (ID: Z/Ls5/dc) No.60906475 >>60907239
>>60906418

When I was in highschool I would've agreed with you.

After getting my first job + 1 bed 1 bath apartment I began noticing peoples' spending habbits(I live in southern california in a large left leaning area).

I buy my share of fun stuff like guns, optics, ammo, fishing equipment... but it just boggles my mind whenever I see shit like this

48:39

https://youtu.be/By_guO7rAc4?t=2918

People eating out every day, buying a car because "it's nice", buying random novelty toys/items, going to disneyland, or spending money on absolutely useless shit constantly and having the fucking GAUL to complain about the economy benig bad or how they're not making enough or how some people "make too much" i.e. billionares.

>>60906241

It doesn't matter if you voted for this because Trump is the jew for the left.

Also, it doesn't help the left has zero impulse or an appetite for planning beyond 1-2 years.
Anonymous (ID: +MkHedQI) No.60906536
>>60906247
>libs covet other peoples money
>so they love spending other peoples money
Anonymous (ID: PM30I7mQ) No.60906539
>>60906254
Still does you double faggot.
Anonymous (ID: 7HBN75Yd) No.60906553
>>60906340
You can convince the right of america to support any tax and/or socialistic policy so long as you get the cultural optics right
Anonymous (ID: aZzWNJ1W) No.60906616 >>60906702 >>60907334
It's hilarious Trump managed to destroy the ecomony AND spike inflation with his tariff nonsense. Even from a protectionist standpoint it's so needlessly self-destructive you think he's doing it on purpose.

>B-but he's trying to protect American businesses!

Then why did he give them literally no time to react to his tariff plan? He knew most American companies sourced products and materials internationally, and he must've known they would need at least a few years to change gears and move to more domestic pipelines (if even possible in the first place). But, for some reason, Trump felt the need to act with extreme urgency and tariff the living hell out of them all with little to no warning, like he wanted American businesses to suffer. His plans make no sense no matter how you look at them, you would have to be wilfully or actually retarded to defend them.
Anonymous (ID: 5MdJSGpu) No.60906627
>>60906141
Every American pays income tax, only some Americans pay for the product you like that's more expensive.
Anonymous (ID: +MkHedQI) No.60906702
>>60906616
>His plans make no sense
Anonymous (ID: k5VOxdMG) No.60906732
>>60906141
You’re the dumbest poster on this board
Anonymous (ID: qVG0UiMA) No.60906742
Wrong, we’re not all mindless consoooooomers. Tax the fatties and degenerates. We don’t give a fuck.
Anonymous (ID: yLmIYhiB) No.60906757 >>60906772
>>60906141
kek, look at all these bot replies. says a lot that there's no organic support for their retarded policies
Anonymous (ID: 212L1PJI) No.60906759 >>60906845 >>60907151 >>60907264
>>60906241
Then you're a fucking moron and deserve to have a moron president.

Making an Iphone in America would cost an American x50 times more than Iphone in China. There is a reason why Nationalistic isolated country that America is aiming towards (North Korea) is a shithole while globalist capitalistic country like South Korea is absolutely booming and in the top economic countries. It's a direct 1 to 1 comparison in the effects of economic policy.

Every economic data has been going down since Trumps been in office, GDP, GDP per capita, US dollar, Jobs, unemployment going up and so are American bonds (fewer buyers). Even the stock market is kinda an indication of whats to come with a false sense of security. Companies actually have no real reason to invest back into the economy of US. Manufactoring investrment is all time lows. All companies are doing are just doing buybacks because they have no idea what else to do with the boat loads of money they made during the Biden adminstration. I am not even being parisan, I don't care for American politics, just pointing out the facts.
Anonymous (ID: hHjVzi56) No.60906771
>>60906258
Anonymous (ID: qVG0UiMA) No.60906772 >>60907345
>>60906757
>muh bot replies
You should be inserted into a wood chipper feet first for hours and keep you alive with adrenaline and Chinese-made amphetamine injections
Anonymous (ID: 1yVabcXn) No.60906774 >>60906835
>>60906258
Groceries and gas a predominantly produced here and are not affected by tariffs. Clothes, well...
Anonymous (ID: CMezpzYy) No.60906835 >>60907462
>>60906774
>except the farms that now have to increase prices to make up for a lack of export orders
>and the products we can't produce here like coffee or bananas
>and the massive labor issues caused by ICE shenanigans
Fun fact: A third of the farms in Arkansas are about to go bankrupt.
Anonymous (ID: CMezpzYy) No.60906845
>>60906759
Fucking this. Trump and the majority of the right have completely lost sight of economic common sense. We will look back at this as an objective and massive failure.
Anonymous (ID: E9mUS80Z) No.60906859 >>60906863 >>60907496
>>60906241
Anonymous (ID: ZyyF9rbK) No.60906863
>>60906859
was this before or after he said that everyone should mutt their DNA up to end racism?
Anonymous (ID: CMezpzYy) No.60906938
>>60906241
>Just buy more expensive products lol, surely you can afford to do that?
Words of a spoiled bitch.
Anonymous (ID: dlBk/lv9) No.60906962 >>60907169
>>60906229
the best taxes are the ones with low dead weight loss. that's the only thing you should be considering. not consumption vs investment, which isn't a contrast if you actually think about it for more than 50ms.
the answer is single land value tax
Anonymous (ID: VLfO9FVQ) No.60906974
>>60906109 (OP)
I support this, I'm not a big consoomer and I don't really like 40% of my income going to a society that hates me that I barely participate in, and if one more person says
>well you use the roads don't you?
I'm gonna lose it
Anonymous (ID: BdsyNTUV) No.60906976 >>60907015
>>60906109 (OP)
Congress literally passed the income tax because they promised they would replace tarriffs so now we're just going backward.
Anonymous (ID: 5zgrzti3) No.60906977
Hail Trump! Hail the God Emperor!
Anonymous (ID: BdsyNTUV) No.60906980
>>60906249
How does PCE change the fact that importers pay the tarrifs? Are you retarded?
Anonymous (ID: i/5R10Hb) No.60907015
>>60906976
well yeah, that is literally what fucknut wants, he literally idolizes the fucking corrupt Gilded Age of america
Anonymous (ID: DLz1FCtM) No.60907151 >>60907551
>>60906759
i sometimes check specific claims just to see if people are lying and why would you say bond thing when usa bonds have been on a steady uptrend since the second term started
Anonymous (ID: IIcid/mP) No.60907169
>>60906962
Based and Georgepilled
Anonymous (ID: 2qurLsM2) No.60907172
I'd rather he enforced price caps. In 1985 a T Bone steak was $1.99 a pound. That equals under $6 in todays' money, but at the store the price is $16+ per lb. The stock market has pull backs, why not US Companies? Make them reset their prices at every level.
Anonymous (ID: p6/drr5X) No.60907239
>>60906109 (OP)
this would overwhelmingly negatively affect young people (who are obligated to consume more frequently, because their lack of money limits their access to resources which make long-term, stable planning difficult)

>>60906475
i suppose you find that your money takes you a long way. try taking (good) care of even one kid
Anonymous (ID: p6/drr5X) No.60907243 >>60907250
>>60906109 (OP)
this would overwhelmingly negatively affect young people (who are obligated to consume more frequently, because their lack of money limits their access to resources which make long-term, stable planning difficult)
Anonymous (ID: sWeid6Hv) No.60907250
>>60907243
It negatively affects young people cause they're poor and they have more shit to buy since they're moving out of their parent's house to be independent.
Anonymous (ID: V29at0EM) No.60907264
>>60906759
Okay, so you shouldn't bitch about the 50% tariff or whatever. Just wait until Samsung starts building plants here. Apple will die with their modern slavery. I voted for this.
Anonymous (ID: rjBLn/hm) No.60907334
>>60906150
lmao this
it also punishes importers of cheap chinese junk, which is another benefit

>>60906616
>like he wanted American businesses to suffer
American only in the sense that they sold to Americans and sent those dollars overseas to employ foreigners. And yes, quite literally that is the point of tarrifs, to make businesses that operate under those business models suffer
Anonymous (ID: VnWxXXDm) No.60907341
>>60906330
>You can not control how much the IRS, state, and local government wants to tax you.

How not? They literally can set the taxes whatever value they want.
The same with import tax (aka "tariff").
Anonymous (ID: fruytr/l) No.60907345
>>60906772
Aren't you a little edgy jew boy
Anonymous (ID: +4S7Ukv8) No.60907354
>consoomer consoomer consoomser
The last cope of the duped trumptard.
Weren't things supposed to become cheaper?
Anonymous (ID: fMNIe9UD) No.60907402
>>60906141
if a democrat president did the same thing as trump and told americans they have to 'spend less' people would call him unamerican and ask for his head. now because trump does it in a psudeo jewish way so many people supporting his policy.
>>60906330
>liberals liberals liberals
just because you dislike trump it doesnt make you a liberal you know? my corn filled midwestern christian inbred friend
>>60906340
this is why double speak is so important in politics and business. just do what you want to do and give the people what they want an they will still love your for it even if you are doing the complete opposite. like musk saying he wants to 'protect free speech' by buying twitter or israel saying they want to protect the USA from iranian nukes and rockets so they have to invade half of the middle east. i think this is why 1984 put such an emphasis on words themselves and the use of words, with their true meaning. if you can control the conversation itself you control the flow of everything
Anonymous (ID: iSFa+Iub) No.60907411 >>60907473 >>60907481
>>60906330
The same people who told me for my entire life that higher taxes would just get passed on to the consumer are now telling me that companies won't pass the tariffs onto consumers. Go fuck yourself.
Anonymous (ID: +MkHedQI) No.60907462
>>60906835
>cant into FarmAid 1985
Fun Fact: been going on a long time buddy
Anonymous (ID: XJAecBXf) No.60907473
>>60907411
American Manufacturers won't pass the tariffs onto consumers.
FTFY.
Anonymous (ID: MXXpd7Qo) No.60907480
>>60906151
Everyone feels this way bruh, remember something like 80percent of comments are bots, bots used to push agendas and heard sheep into acting against their own self interests. For all I know I’m the only real person here right now.
Anonymous (ID: 9bIFff0Z) No.60907481
>>60907411
That wasnt his point retard, tarrifs are essentially a VAT with lower VAT for locally produced stuff

Its a VAT vs income tax discussion and obviously billionaires and non consumer pigs are better off with higher VAT than income tax
Anonymous (ID: ZDge3CLB) No.60907496 >>60907575
>>60906859
fag earrings and all points are wrong
Anonymous (ID: oAacJQak) No.60907551
>>60907151
Bond yields rising in this environment is not good. Traditionally US bonds are thought of as an ultra-safe investment - they're a flight to safety during uncertainty (see covid or the 2008 financial crisis for an example, when yields significantly dropped). When yields drop, that means more people are buying bonds. Conversely, this usually means a slowdown in the stock market because people are transitioning out of volatile stocks and into lower-performing US bonds.
But when bond yields rise, that means fewer people actually want to buy them, and they're considered a riskier investment. The higher yields rise, the higher the assessed risk. Risk of what? Stuff like debt default, uncertainty about Fed policy management, inflationary pressures, whatever. Why does this matter? Because the US government ITSELF pays its own debt based on bond yields. And when yields go up, so does the interest rate on government debt.
So what happens if the national debt continues increasing exponentially while bond yields simultaneously continue going up? A vicious cycle of bonds becoming more and more risky while government debt becomes more and more expensive to pay off, ending in a real-deal financial crisis that would make the Great Depression look like the 1980s.
Anonymous (ID: WPB6d4WJ) No.60907562
>>60906150
It's fascinating how consoomers cannot even comprehend not buying chinese slop. t
Anonymous (ID: 6kvTaeN4) No.60907570
>>60906109 (OP)
It's over for income earners and that's the reason for this.
Anonymous (ID: oUqOcruR) No.60907575
>>60907496
fag earrings but all points are right