Thread 60906632

I'm in my early 20s and have been teaching myself web development part time while working full time for a couple years through The Odin Project. I am almost done the course but am rethinking my decision due to Indian outsourcing and ai ruining any job opportunities.

I was looking into adjacent professions like cybersecurity but those seem to be in a similar dilemma. Also reconsidered trades like plumbing but stepped into a plumbing department store the other day and had a gut feeling it wasn't for me.

My question is, are there any careers that:
1: Are immune to AI/jeet outsourcing
2: I won't have multiple overuse injuries after 10 years
3: I am able to (eventually) work from home

Preferably something that won't take more than a couple years, I've downsized to a 1 bedroom living with my dad to save money and possibly take some courses so I would prefer to get out of this living situation sooner than later.

Appreciate any replies.

>>60906632 (OP)
>My question is, are there any careers that:
>1: Are immune to AI/jeet outsourcing
If all you're doing is emailing or "looking" are reports/data/accounting, your days are numbered.
>2: I won't have multiple overuse injuries after 10 years
Avoid construction at all costs.
>3: I am able to (eventually) work from home
Lol. Lmao even. If you can work from home you're also at risk of AI/Jeets replacing you.

>>60906646
accountant here, you niggas have been saying that shit till the end of time.

Cybersecurity will not survive the AI apocalypse. The bugs they will find will be too complex for people to understand. Automated agents running 24/7 finding exploits and bugs nonstop just fucking up everyone's shit

>>60906632 (OP)
Learn to trade

>>60906646
>If all you're doing is emailing or "looking" are reports/data/accounting, your days are numbered.
I understand that less skilled white collar professions like data entry are under threat. I am looking for a higher skilled profession for that reason.
>Avoid construction at all costs.
That's the plan. Have done some construction work in the past and while it's fine at my age I really wouldn't want to be doing it in 10 years.
>Lol. Lmao even. If you can work from home you're also at risk of AI/Jeets replacing you.
My thoughts were that if I advance enough in a skilled career that I would have more opportunities to work from home eventually.

>>60906651
Is accounting worth taking a look at?

>>60906660
Yea even though some people are telling me it's a "safer" field than software it seems to be vulnerable for much of the same reasons.

>>60906664
Already do but I have a lot to learn before I even think about that and I currently don't have the liquidity required.

>>60906651
You should check out /biz/. Someone is making a thread every day making fun of accountants getting replaced by AI.

I made a thread like this the other day. (ANON WHO POSTED YOUR EMAIL AND DISCORD CHECK BOTH I SENT YOU A MESSAGE!!)

I think web dev is totally oversaturated for this reason: A lot of "tech" companies (silly web startups that are funded by venture capital and provide no real value) massively over-hired because

1) They want to signal that the company is growing, and hiring a lot of engineers looks good to investors, and
2) They mistakenly believe in The Mythical Man-Month, or the mistaken assumption that more engineers = greater productivity.

And then tough times arrived and the economy is poopoo, so now companies are looking to trim some fat and say to themselves:
>Hey, maybe we don't need 1000 engineers to work on a single web page.

So now you have hundreds of thousands of web programmers who are out of work, all of them a lot more experienced than you. Any web jobs that are left have insane competition right now.

My advice would be to look for something outside of web development that is still tech related, but I don't know what that is yet either. I was looking at embedded programming and/or robotics, but I heard those are really hard to get into. Let me know if you figure something out. Lol

>>60906691
>>60906677
>mfw i just realized I am on /biz/ lol

Learn electro-mechanics and become a technician. Robots are coming and we're gonna need a lot of people who can service and test them.

Lawyer, which I'm guessing you probably can't do from reading your post.
There's a very very low chance that LLM will stop "hallucinating" fantasy cases or fantasy results in real cases due to the inherent nature of AI to kiss the user's ass. I also doubt that any company requiring the needs of a transactional lawyer would rather have an AI deal with matters of upwards of hundreds of millions of dollars.

>>60906725
Well, don't mistake all of AI for just LLM tech which is a very small subset of Artificial Intelligence. Who knows if we might get something better suited to tasks than next-token-predictors?

>>60906691
>My advice would be to look for something outside of web development that is still tech related, but I don't know what that is yet either.

It's probably something niche, which is why I came here to ask away from all of the youtube grifters and reddit npcs stuck in survival bias.

>>60906721
I'll take a look, as it sounds interesting, but would prefer something that I am able to work on from a computer. Scamdemic made me really distrustful of spending anything more than a few years working on site for a company that could bring back vax mandates at a moments notice. I would also like to start a business with this hypothetical career at some point to get rid of that overhead.

>>60906725
Yea by the sounds of it I would be in school until I'm thirty which I'm sure both me and my dad would be tired of by that point.

I'm in the merchant marine. Pay is good and plenty of time off for travel. You'll either never have a girlfriend or get cheated on a billion times at aea though.

>>60906725
Lawyer is about having some human stooge being accountable for human choices, so I don't see AI replacing that.

>>60906786
Have you considered NLP engineering

>>60906632 (OP)
Have you tried opening boxes on youtube?

I’m sorry anon, the days of jobs and working is over. Now is the age of being an asset owner and living off of interest and dividends. Sounds like your dad fucked you over by not becoming wealthy over the last 20 years. You now have about a 2% chance of surviving to age 50. Less, actually, considering your posts and questions.

Do something hard and niche that defense contractors/aerospace companies need and can't hire jeets and gooks to do due to security clearance. Avionics, RF engineering, etc.
Its infinitely harder than webshitting but if youre autistic enough and have a fat enough yakub fivehead you'll probably make it.

>>60906632 (OP)
In academia, only a small fraction of work tends to require you to be on location, at least in my country. You can become a doctoral student and then a professional academic researcher. However, the pay is bad, it takes at least 5 years to become a paid doctoral student, and you need to be able to use your brain.

>>60908448
Youd also be competing for grant money with a billion methed out gooks and jeets who are only in the country on account of their academic career, grant money which is doled out by lead poisoned do-nothing old xenophiles or at this point the shitskins who replaced them

>>60908365
>Am I qualified for a security clearance? You must be, among other requirements, stable, trustworthy, reliable...
I stopped reading there. I assume they take into account your work history, and I have only had shit jobs so I quit every single one of them without notice like they deserve and have a shit tons of work gaps. Guess I'm not good goy enough for the security clearance jobs

>>60906632 (OP)
The onbvious choice is to learn AI, how it works, deep learning and data science and all that, make enough dough before AI starts to train itself. You can also focus on the hardware side and position yourself for the robotics pivot. I'm EEA and I did some machine learning but it wasn't for me, it's even more tedious than regular engineering.

>>60906632 (OP)
I have my college paid for with the GI Bill but I don't see any reason to go besides for being a lawyer or doctor and I don't want to do either of those, they work stressful jobs for awful hours

>>60906632 (OP)
>have been teaching myself web development
keep at it, keep learning

>cybersecurity
ok, you need to learn a lot of stuff, but since you are already learning about web shit, then maybe you could do some web cert like https://portswigger.net/web-security/certification/how-to-prepare
then find some 0days in popular web apps, get CVEs and put that in your resume

>>60906660
>Cybersecurity will not survive the AI apocalypse.
it would already have died. tons of scanners and tools exist, yet vulns (some really fucking dumb ones) are still being found every fucking day...

>The bugs they will find will be too complex for people to understand.
lol

>Automated agents running 24/7 finding exploits and bugs nonstop just fucking up everyone's shit
this only makes defensive security a better field.

>>60908517
Lmfao no. They just dont want you smoking weed or hanging out with gooks. The SF86 is an honesty test and as long as you're not actively doing schedule 1 substances and you don't have a litany of severe psychiatric disorders they'll let you in

>>60908609
Okay. Well I still can’t get it because I see that they do a credit check and they’re gonna see how often I did the Sam Hyde AH JEEZ maneuver

>>60906725
>lawyer
Disastrous suggestion. At the entry level law firms rely on large numbers of highly-paid associates whose job consists of little more than reading thousands of pages of documentation and highlighting bits of it for their superiors, a job which AI excels at. There’s absolutely going to be an ongoing need for experienced senior lawyers who can identify when the AI is chatting shit (something which they have to be able to do with the stuff the juniors feed them anyway), but legal graduates are going to be gigafucked in the coming years.
>t. know a lot of lawyers who have told me this is already happening

Electricity/Power sector
it will be in a secular bull market as long as AI keeps growing and it is well paid + lower competition compared to most other alternatives
There is a lot to do, important processes still being run through excel instead of automated python scripts

>>60906632 (OP)

Anything in Finance and Banking is safe. AI has been a thing in the Finance field since the 1970s and while a lot of jobs have been lost to automation, a proportionate amount of jobs were also created. There will always been a need for lending and credit services, because the financial fields attracts retards. Most of the financial models out there are based on nonsense and faulty logic that have been perpetuated for such a longtime they've become dogma, and no one questions the absurdity of it all.

Most people working in Finance are just bullshitting it. Much of the due diligence, forecasting, and modeling are just wishmaking and manifesting. If you're a good talker, a good liar, and can think on your feet, you can have a long successful career in any fields of finance.

I'm brown and I love white women.

Now that we cleared the important parts, being a graduate nowadays is hell, there is no (worthy) job that is safe on a junior level. Unemployment for zoomers and alpha toddlers will only increase.

>>60908771
>important processes still being run through excel instead of automated
It's insane how common this is. Not just in power sector but fucking everywhere.

It's like companies spend all this money on technology and infrastructure but then hire a bunch of office monkeys to do everything manually anyways.

>>60908904
Based brown white woman lover

Do you think academia is an option? Maybe I can become a comp sci professor or something. Is that hard to get into?

>>60906632 (OP)
web development is dead especially if you’re teaching yourself

even juniors out of top unis are being rejected

only senior and above level needed now, we’ve hit capacity, and not fucking with you at all

if you broke in in 2018, you’d have been fine, but it’s a new market now.

best choice is the fields no one wants like data over web development

>>60909220
continued
You could do software not web development, but you’ll need to pick something nobody likes for backend like ruby, .net

>>60909208

We will relish sending you all back where you belong

>>60909288
I am not a brown.

>>60908365
theres literally jeets and gooks with Chinese accents at my work. also that is a horrible idea unless you have a patent ready
>t. Works in top 4 defense contractor

>>60908886
OP here, I do appreciate the other suggestions but it seems like a lot of them wouldn't allow me to work from home at some point. Finance is something that I would be really interested in, and it seems to be checking all my boxes. Seems like I'll have to go to school for 4 years, but that seems like a fair trade off.

Thank you for the insight anon.

>>60906632 (OP)
>early 20s
you're cooked

>>60910518
web development will leave you jobless bro

the field is saturated by actually incredible devs, and if a company is okay with newbie or low tier they go to India for web development

>>60910518

If you have a modicum of critical thinking and problem solving skills, you're already in the upper 20th percentile of potential candidates in the field. When you're going to school for your bachelors focus on networking and acquiring a mentor, finance jobs are heavy on sales. What a lot of firms and banks look for is personality and agreeableness; the technical side is less important, the most math you'll encounter is high school level math, but you'll be expected to be proficient in Excel. You won't even touch calculus unless you're going into a math heavy subset like Quantitative Finance. I suggest getting in your foot in the door through commercial banking, specifically look for regional banks and credit unions because they're always starved for decent talent.

t. Commercial Banking Portfolio Manager

>>60910921
>they're always starved for decent talent.
lmao
literally no industry out there is "starved for talent" in 2025 onwards, it's not the 70s anymore.
every listing gets hundreds of desperate people that would actually kill to get the job and are willing to do it for less pay and benefits than op (which is the ONLY thing businesses care about)
hey mr manager i spent hours writing then sending you my resume and a well written out cover letter, can you at least have the decency to call me back? thanks.

no stupid premise. AI immune means working with your hands/body and that means no work from home. Not abusing your body or AI immune, pick one

>>60906660
Wouldn't that be good for cyber security tonight since it would drive up demand?

>>60911258
> every listing gets hundreds of desperate people that would actually kill to get the job and are willing to do it for less pay and benefits

And it's all thanks to globalism and corpo greed slashing jobs like a pinata exploding with infinite money for the robber barons at the top.

no one god damn knows what is going to happen.

AI can jump 50 steps above where it currently is and it would be out of our imagination on what it could do at 50 steps above where we are.

>>60906632 (OP)
Whoring and fighting. Same as it ever was.

Become a stationary engineer. Or a crane operator. You'll make $120K+ if you don't mind putting in the fairly easy job hours. This is only if you love on the coast tho..

Air traffic controller. Can't apply if you're over 31 tho

>>60912975
schrodingers wagie

>>60908771
>Electricity/Power sector
how to get into from a CS undergrad?
sedcond bachelors in EE or what?

>>60906632 (OP)
easy, specialize in something with coding, front end web development is basic...go full stack and learn about LLMs/Machine learning/ FinTech/ ways to adapt healthcare/PHI systems/ Crypto Currency usage like WEB3 and smart contracts

>>60906632 (OP)
Everything becomes stale boring and repetitive after one or two years

>>60906632 (OP)
Making western-style 2d animated smut, usually on-model stuff based on IP's that'll get you sued out the ass (which is free publicity)
Everyone that's gotten big in that game burned out and went crazy so the market never saturated
I hear gay furry smut pays extra well, but can't verify this

>>60913905
>specialize in something with coding, front end web development is basic...go full stack and learn about LLMs/Machine learning/ FinTech/ ways to adapt healthcare/PHI systems/ Crypto Currency usage like WEB3 and smart contracts
>easy

>>60906660
What a midwit take, security is so much more than bugs. Most of the issues I exploit are literally related to configuration and human errors. My job is not getting outsourced to AI and India because neither of them can simulate full attack chains, and nobody wants to let Indians run rampant and access their crown jewels.

> t. senior red team operator

>>60913784
depending on how much math you have studied, I would try to get a MSc in a EE related field like robotics or something similar. You only really need a first job and be a good learner as long as you have good engineering prerequisites, know how to solve people’s business problems with code and are willing to put in the work

>>60906632 (OP)
I mean there are only a handfull of them who will not be replaced by AI slop/jeets or who will not destroy your body, here are a few
Energy (from oil, gas to solar)
Healthcare (doctors)
Sales (they will always need people who sell things, but you need charisma and to know how to sell a car to a blind guy)
robotics

>>60914606
Sales is not surviving the AIpocalypse.

This is not the place. They are bad people.

>>60906632 (OP)
become a consultant on something
oh wait you need to have a vagina for that

>>60908771
Im so sick of hearing about muh golden power bullrun thats perpetually just two more weeks away from you powerniggers. You faggots never give a straight answer about exactly how much you make after X years of experience, only using vagueries like "paid well," "great living in LCOL area" and other weasel phrases. You exaggerate the boons of your job worse than tradeniggers, but at least they can actually make real killing beyond what BLS data indicates by taking a shitload of cash jobs on the side. Power is boring as fuck and the worst paid of all the EE industries. I will believe it's well-paid when it actually starts being well-paid.
Additionally, regardless of industry, this shit about "oooh theres gonna be such massive demand for [skill] once all the boomers in the sector die or retire!" Bull fucking shit lmao. Business owners wont suddenly have a come-to-jesus moment out of nowhere and start being concerned for the future, they will abandon ship with their golden parachutes like they always do and let american infrastructure crumble without a fuck given. Societal collapse is real, it has happened a million times in history, it will happen again unless zoomers pull generations of expertise out of their asses and they can hypnotize HR roasties into hiring them with their broccoli cut rizz.

>>60914493
In fact your job should be even more secure since vibe coding retards are building apps with easy to spot exploits.

>>60914852
Is it really that bad? I feel like companies are really quick to replace someone who quits or retires.

>>60908365
>can't hire jeets and gooks to do due to security clearance.
they salivate over second gen foreigners anon. There is literally nothing they love more than giving privileged American jobs to retarded nigger-jeets who have just enough ambition to actually work

>>60911258

We're in the middle of a recession, the job market is not going back to a healthy level anytime soon. All industries across the board are fucked for the time being. Stop complaining, if the traditional pathway isn't working make shit happen.

>>60906632 (OP)
Get an Epic certification at a health system. Epic will not outsource.

>>60906632 (OP)
>My question is, are there any careers that:
>1: Are immune to AI/jeet outsourcing
>2: I won't have multiple overuse injuries after 10 years
>3: I am able to (eventually) work from home
Clearance Jobs

>>60906677
>>60906707
That's why you get cpa->finra->become high speed stocks trader with other people's money.

>>60910921
Sounds like I’d have a decent chance at fitting in. I’ll keep this all in mind, thanks for the tips

>>60906725
>There's a very very low chance that LLM will stop "hallucinating" fantasy cases or fantasy results in real cases due to the inherent nature of AI to kiss the user's ass.

That seems like a solved problem. Provide the LLM with a compendium of cases and have it research to find relevant cases to what you're working on.

>>60906725
>also doubt that any company requiring the needs of a transactional lawyer would rather have an AI deal with matters of upwards of hundreds of millions of dollars.

This would be a problem solved by smart contracts.

>>60914852
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/ranked-the-highest-paying-industries-in-the-u-s-2025/

>>60908582
Bump

the thing with cs/swe is that being mediocre at it is no longer enough. If you want an actual shot at a company you need to have solid foundations and a desirable tech stack