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Anonymous (ID: p04yIyOR) No.61021636 >>61021769 >>61021872 >>61022281 >>61022497 >>61029164 >>61038993
/XMR/ Monero General
Welcome to the /XMR/ Monero General, dedicated to the discussion of the world's most widely adopted privacy coin.

Monero payments are anonymous, low-fee by design and fully fungible, meaning users can send XMR globally without issue and receive XMR without having to worry about tainted coins. Battle-tested privacy tech (Ring Signatures, Stealth Addresses and RingCT) ensures that critical TX data cannot be gleaned from the Monero blockchain. Thus by default, the TX history of all Monero users is kept hidden from the prying eyes of adversaries, with TXs being optionally transparent via the aid of a view key.

Monero algorithmically ensures low TX fees by employing a dynamic (elastic) block size that can "stretch" to easily accommodate sudden TX spikes.

Monero's bespoke mining algorithm, RandomX, is optimized for devices using general-purpose CPUs e.g. desktops, laptops, smartphones, tablets, keeping the barrier to entry low and ASICs out of the equation.

Monero's tail emission - 0.6 XMR every block forever - financially incentives for-profit miners to keep mining, helping boost long-term network security. This constant linear inflation asymptotically trends to zero and is offset somewhat by a steady rate of coin loss.

Monero has thus far proven to be the only altcoin capable of overcoming BTC's network effect by driving it out of the darknet economy BTC dominated for over 10 years. Monero is now also starting to overtake BTC in clearnet commerce as well. See below.

If you still have questions, feel free to ask and a MoneroChad will be with you shortly.
Anonymous (ID: 9swdkOhG) No.61021769
>>61021636 (OP)
You fucking n you changed the OP removing gigachad XMR video and information.
Anonymous (ID: zgVtGEzS) No.61021872
>>61021636 (OP)
oh god is this the bakecel OP again? Do I need to paste the disclaimers?
Anonymous (ID: 19ArC6zh) No.61022281 >>61022760
>>61021636 (OP)
so is the Qubic saga over, or are they still trying? Have the devs figured out a plan to not get 51%'d when a bigger player tries? Price action says we are good but that's not enough to know. Sep 14 had an 18 block reorg, anything since?
Anonymous (ID: K8Td6EDv) No.61022497
>>61021636 (OP)
Anonymous (ID: 9oR8dfYV) No.61022760 >>61025978
>>61022281
>so is the Qubic saga over, or are they still trying?
They're mining 'normally' as of right now. Turns out selfish mining isn't profitable on XMR.

>Have the devs figured out a plan to not get 51%'d when a bigger player tries?
The latest proposals are Lucky Transactions and Share or Perish.
https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/145

https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/146

It's highly likely that both will be implemented.

>Price action says we are good but that's not enough to know. Sep 14 had an 18 block reorg, anything since?
No reorgs detected for the past few days. People are now questioning whether we even need DNS checkpoints anymore.
Anonymous (ID: zS89zRP0) No.61024182 >>61024619 >>61026592 >>61026985 >>61036080
Why is it pumping
Anonymous (ID: 87hni4oW) No.61024219 >>61024271
Nobody has given me a good answer and I fear my assumptions are right. Let’s say I want to do an atomic swap with kyc btc. The guy swapping with me literally gets my btc right? So my kyc coin goes to a guy who deals in unknown activities with xmr?
Anonymous (ID: zS89zRP0) No.61024271 >>61024282
>>61024219
Yes? Does this bother you?
The guy willing to atomic swap his XMR with KYC BTC probably won't use it for anything he'd just use XMR for
Anonymous (ID: 87hni4oW) No.61024282
>>61024271
Kinda bothers me yes. It’s xmr desu
Anonymous (ID: zocb7giy) No.61024469 >>61024508
Should I hoard more XMR?
Anonymous (ID: +o/HzBjW) No.61024508
>>61024469
Anonymous (ID: vtfmWoXO) No.61024619 >>61024651
>>61024182
Strike on Iran coming. Have to pay local terrorists.
Anonymous (ID: 87hni4oW) No.61024651
>>61024619
Didn’t zcash reveal identities for something legal or something?
Anonymous (ID: G1zBlzyi) No.61025725 >>61025983 >>61026577
isn't all this crypto stuff just like gambling in a casino?
Anonymous (ID: 6baAKsS9) No.61025978
>>61022760
>No reorgs detected for the past few days. People are now questioning whether we even need DNS checkpoints anymore.
All proof of work blockchains are susceptible to this. There has even been bitcoin miners who purposely mined empty blocks.
The idea is that it is more profitable to do the right thing than mess with the network. The network survives but the selfish mining route is a bet you can reorg at some point in the next x amount of blocks.
The real answer nobody wants to admit is more hashrate is needed and the thing that brings more miners is price going up.
Qubic subsidized their payouts with their own token which paid out more than the xmr amount. That is the only reason they got enough hashrate to even pull of their stunt.
It wasn't some 4d chess move, it was just enough new hashrate controlled under the qubic guy's control.
Anonymous (ID: 6baAKsS9) No.61025983 >>61025995
>>61025725
>isn't all this crypto stuff just like gambling in a casino?
Isn't all investing just abstract levels of gambling?
>Central banks turned the economy into a casino. Bet on the fastest horse.
Anonymous (ID: G1zBlzyi) No.61025995 >>61029156
>>61025983
gambling seems like a bad idea
Anonymous (ID: RTSA30Ad) No.61026577 >>61043925
>>61025725
Only if you believe that there's no inherent value to a given currency. The XMR community at large believes that the core principles of XMR (anonymity, privacy, fungibility, ease of participation etc.) are worth more than what the currencies current monetary value is. We believe that XMR enables us to transfer our wealth in a way in which we are both independent of the traditional finance system (meaning neither banks or governments can directly control our funds) and imperceivable to those who might have an interest in knowing our spending habit (tradfi including tax agencies, law enforcement, advertisers, literally anybody who isn't directly involved in our transactions). Some people who hold XMR only do so for the price to increase and don't care about the qualities listed above, it's fair to say that those are gambling, however the rest (meaning those who actually use XMR) primarily are focused on transacting their wealth and are not interested in the market cap or price per coin (they still care about volatility though).
Anonymous (ID: EXf0rJhJ) No.61026592 >>61026936
>>61024182
because it has better privacy and people are catching up to that
>inb4 FCMP++
two more weeks
Anonymous (ID: TJ+DevXp) No.61026657
This general has my blessing.
Anonymous (ID: adcc+H6Q) No.61026798
this general is dead
this coin is dead
Anonymous (ID: ZvxV80TJ) No.61026936
>>61026592
>Anonymous (ID: EXf0rJhJ) 10/02/25(Thu)08:41:57 No.61026592▶
Wrong nigga, it's just an unused scam coin used to divert attention from xmr
Anonymous (ID: i09fssO+) No.61026985 >>61026992
>>61024182
I’ve watched ZEC for years, and their price action isn’t some free-market ballet. ZEC trades like a semi-managed asset, with clear signatures of coordinated flow control by market makers, DCG, and aligned stakeholders. The historic pumps weren’t organic order-book drift but orchestrated liquidity cycles -expand, contract, recycle -leaving a fingerprint you recognize if you’ve tracked it from day one. Doesn’t mean the asset is “fake,” but it does mean price discovery here runs inside a liquidity-steered regime, not a wild frontier.
Anonymous (ID: i09fssO+) No.61026992
>>61026985
I believe the same is happening again.
However, long term it has a hard time vs. XMR and is stuck in a channel.

See the following yellow graph on desktop and scroll to today:
https://www.tradingview.com/chart/XMRBTC/5DPm4r2g-XMR-still-in-long-term-uptrend-against-DASH-and-ZEC/
Anonymous (ID: adcc+H6Q) No.61027225
we are so fucking back
we have never been so back
Anonymous (ID: q5v3nS0n) No.61027391
Can you faggots get on Twitter and destroy all these people shilling zcash? Tired of seeing the clearly coordinated shilling tactics. We should be ratioing every single one of them.
Anonymous (ID: Moij22HF) No.61027550 >>61027573 >>61029206 >>61029462 >>61039328
I got monero but no legal way to cash it out. What now?
Anonymous (ID: 11DKw6jn) No.61027573
>>61027550
just keep it bro
Anonymous (ID: q5v3nS0n) No.61028190 >>61029462
Where the fuck is this community? Ztrash is pumping and you fucking faggots have nothing to say? Not a single meme? Not any mention of the backdoor, Jewish involvement, dev tax, foundation, VCs, optional privacy, vast majority unshielded, no shielding on exchanges etc etc etc…..

NOTHING!?!???? WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOU GUYS
Anonymous (ID: adcc+H6Q) No.61028251
it's fucking over
it has never been so over
Anonymous (ID: o/9h7Fmx) No.61028485 >>61029206 >>61039328
what is the best way to cash-out on XMR?
Anonymous (ID: LB4W9Kjd) No.61028690
Moonero
Anonymous (ID: GI3OiZeS) No.61029156
>>61025995
>gambling seems like a bad idea
Every financial decision is a gamble. Holding dollars is a gamble that the fed doesn't go print money like crazy.
As the establishment moves into late stage fiat printing you might want to pay attention into counterparty risk.
bearer instruments are the solution (and they have been for thousands of years)
Gold is not as practical for quietly owning wealth. Cryptocurrencies offer private( as in independent) wealth ownership without a central party of control (no counter party risk).
Monero offers all that plus privacy which makes it objectively better than the competitors.
Anonymous (ID: Hty7VjVX) No.61029164 >>61044188
>>61021636 (OP)
Have way more respect for what Monero stands for after I saw how Houdini can change perspective after years of using CEX. I’d avoid that trap at all costs now desu, not worth it at all
Anonymous (ID: 9oR8dfYV) No.61029206
>>61028485
>>61027550
coincards
Anonymous (ID: o2I/feBE) No.61029462 >>61031653 >>61061344
>>61028190
>>61027550
We've already done this for years and it still pumped. Any other bright ideas?
Anonymous (ID: 41E2V/bb) No.61030467 >>61031226
I am a simple man: I buy 50€ of Monero every month.
Anonymous (ID: 9oR8dfYV) No.61031226
>>61030467
Based
Anonymous (ID: O1iV/xGp) No.61031653 >>61033171
>>61029462
Keep doing it? wtf kind of post is that. You think just because you posted against ZEC once you can just forget about it forever? There’s an entire new set of people looking at privacy coins right now and there’s very little Monero shilling going on. Fucking terrible
Anonymous (ID: cv/Qfjej) No.61033025
Anonymous (ID: SFX7pite) No.61033129
All 4 exchanges of WoW have died.
Anonymous (ID: +69by5W/) No.61033171
>>61031653
we don't obsess about irrelevant scamcoins
Anonymous (ID: cv/Qfjej) No.61035176
Anonymous (ID: D/v/4sYH) No.61035638 >>61036113
hmm so anyone buying and selling monero for gold and silver yet? it will be the only way to make this a sustainable digital banking replacement
Anonymous (ID: AVULT95F) No.61036080
>>61024182
Everything is pumping
Anonymous (ID: covtmr+c) No.61036113 >>61036175 >>61036817
>>61035638
Ive seen suissegold say that they take xmr and its been up for a while now. but I have never made an account and tried it out.
Anonymous (ID: D/v/4sYH) No.61036175
>>61036113
nice. all good then
Anonymous (ID: 9oR8dfYV) No.61036817
>>61036113
Moneymetals also takes XMR
Anonymous (ID: VEGnLgAR) No.61036905 >>61036956 >>61037484 >>61037983 >>61042758
This coin seems utterly fucking dead and nobody lifts a finger as ZEC steals both the liquidity and narrative from you.

Shame on all of you faggots for laying down and not fighting.
Anonymous (ID: OJYyeWir) No.61036956 >>61037180
>>61036905
>/biz/ catalog
>ctrl-f
>zec
>0 results found
No one gives a fuck.
Anonymous (ID: VEGnLgAR) No.61037180 >>61037381 >>61037484
>>61036956
Now do Twitter
>inb4 you act like you’re too good for it
Anonymous (ID: D/v/4sYH) No.61037381 >>61038214
>>61037180
twitter is closed since elon bought it and didn't want it
Anonymous (ID: 9oR8dfYV) No.61037484 >>61038214
>>61036905
>>61037180
Nigga are you doing anything besides crying on 4chan?
Anonymous (ID: 6JdoPO3o) No.61037983 >>61038214
>>61036905
Zcash is still at less than half XMR's market cap after a 100% pump, idk what we're supposed to be doing.
Anonymous (ID: VEGnLgAR) No.61038214 >>61038226
>>61037381
>>61037484
>>61037983
You people are the most worthless community in all of crypto.
Anonymous (ID: 6JdoPO3o) No.61038226
>>61038214
>No input given
Okay?
Anonymous (ID: cLR0floK) No.61038993 >>61039190 >>61039653
>>61021636 (OP)
Good day my niggas, is there any reputable service I could swap XRP to Monero without doing KYC if you know what I’m saying.
Anonymous (ID: cDXOmXIi) No.61039190 >>61039246 >>61039264 >>61046221
>>61038993
Just use zcash all the people on Twitter agree it’s the cypherpunk solution to CBDCs and the surveillance state. The people of Monero can’t be bothered to argue against them :)
Anonymous (ID: cLR0floK) No.61039246
>>61039190
>cypherpunk solution to CBDCs and the surveillance state
Nigga, i just want to purchase speed online
Anonymous (ID: u65BhqzV) No.61039264
>>61039190
>zcash
But I like xmr.
Anonymous (ID: Tj5u0gDR) No.61039328 >>61044188
>>61027550
>>61028485
Pick an off ramp that matches risk and size
gift cards and bill pay for small
bullion merchants like moneymetals for medium
p2p for larger with local escrow
For swaps before off ramp I use houdiniswap to avoid CEX tickets
Anonymous (ID: cDXOmXIi) No.61039542 >>61042511
I’m beginning to think there’s no anti-zcash on Twitter because Monero people literally have no argument against it.

What are the arguments? You realize that all the typical “smoking gun” bullshit like the early mentions of a backdoor - all that stuff is being directly refuted on Twitter and it’s completely unchallenged by any Monero people.

You know that’s happening right?
Anonymous (ID: OJYyeWir) No.61039653 >>61039987
>>61038993
Personally I've used https://nonkyc.io/ in the past and it worked fine. trocador.app usually works, but can randomly ask for KYC.
List of services that might be useful: https://kycnot.me/?categories=exchange¤cy-mode=or¤cies=xmr&max-kyc=1
Anonymous (ID: +1d1WrmW) No.61039912
Anonymous (ID: cLR0floK) No.61039987
>>61039653
Appreciate, brother
Anonymous (ID: bwsdLU2c) No.61040235
Anonymous (ID: cDXOmXIi) No.61040257 >>61040272
Zcash is fucking awesome bros I can get all the privacy I need and also buy it on major exchanges! No need to go to some creepy website and interact with drug dealers. I can just get all the privacy I need and do it super conveniently.

Don’t understand why you people like this old creepy banned version of privacy when Vitalik, Naval and all the smart people are using zcash. Just go on Twitter and see all the powerful arguments for ZEC. Nobody is even talking about XMR anymore.
Anonymous (ID: cDXOmXIi) No.61040272 >>61042081
>>61040257
And the best part is that because ZEC is supported by all exchanges and has plenty of smart and influential early adopters, the price is basically guaranteed to go up. So if you like NGU, zcash is the coin for you too!

ZEC = privacy, liquidity, NGU
XMR = ideological rigidity, delistings, obscurity
Anonymous (ID: OJYyeWir) No.61040292 >>61040341 >>61074576
Anonymous (ID: cDXOmXIi) No.61040341 >>61040578 >>61040583 >>61040619
>>61040292
It’s literally on the way to surpassing XMR in market cap lol. Everyone shilling it on Twitter. Monero nowhere to be found. Your best influencer is a 20 year old nazi who, not hating on him at all, is a fucking retard.

It’s just pathetic how terrible this community is and the one-two punch of qubic and now zcash is proving it.
Anonymous !!mTgn6xsC3Ln (ID: pLYY6ovn) No.61040576
reporting in
Anonymous (ID: usuziDVo) No.61040578
>>61040341
>It’s literally on the way to surpassing XMR in market cap lol. Everyone shilling it on Twitter.
First time? This is nothing new. Daddy Silbert initiates a ZEC pump from time to time, always ends up dumping hard.
Anonymous !!mTgn6xsC3Ln (ID: pLYY6ovn) No.61040583
>>61040341
>israeli funded

Found the jew. Log off, son, it's shabbat for you.
Anonymous (ID: u65BhqzV) No.61040619
>>61040341
I'm not falling for you jewish tricks rabbi. Monero is used by the CIA and that's good enough for me.
Anonymous (ID: xymMVapB) No.61040654 >>61040822 >>61041318
Hey, I'm checking in. I haven't been following Monero closely for the past year. Is there anything significant?
Anonymous (ID: 9oR8dfYV) No.61040822
>>61040654
FCMP++CARROT stressnet is live:
https://monero.observer/fcmp++-carrot-alpha-stressnet-v1-released/

PoWer (proof of work enabled relay) seems to be "approved" by the devs:
https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/133

Possible upgrades as a result of the qubic drama (tldr a malicious pool selfishly mined monero for 4 months and caused 2 10+ block reorgs in the process among other things)

Lucky transactions:
https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/145

Share or Perish:
https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/146
Anonymous (ID: 675enRVj) No.61041318 >>61041746 >>61042589 >>61043703 >>61044640 >>61045560
>>61040654
Monero finally did it. The untraceable coin got traced, the decentralized network got 51% attacked. All that’s left is the coping.
Anonymous (ID: 6JdoPO3o) No.61041746
>>61041318
>51% attack
Disproven
>Traced
Screenshots says "suggests it may be traceable" so not traced
Anonymous (ID: kgNpMcp7) No.61041787 >>61041863
Ummm monero niggers why are we pumping after weez been hack by 56%?
Anonymous (ID: 5NEJ8RH0) No.61041863
>>61041787
maybe norf korea is converting the billion dollars they just stole into monero
Anonymous (ID: 9oR8dfYV) No.61042081 >>61042228 >>61044731 >>61051378 >>61052506
>>61040272
>And the best part is that because ZEC is supported by all exchanges

This can/will change with FCMP++CARROT, as it fixes the burning bug and view keys. It will be way easier to get listings as well as convince current exchanges to post their view keys to prove 'legitimacy'

>Inb4 muh regoolators
Consider for more than 10 seconds that the regulators weren't concerned with kyc/aml compliance
Anonymous (ID: cDXOmXIi) No.61042228 >>61044188
>>61042081
>he actually believes in re-listings
Oh you poor poor thing
Anonymous (ID: 5NEJ8RH0) No.61042511
>>61039542
monero is the most prevalent form of exchange on the dark web. the proof is in the pudding.
Anonymous (ID: i09fssO+) No.61042589
>>61041318
Anonymous (ID: AAod+Wv3) No.61042758
>>61036905
Fight what? ZEC is simply the better coin. I don't do FUD, buddy. I rotate into whatever with more potential, be it hype based or fundamental based.
Anonymous (ID: u65BhqzV) No.61043703
>>61041318
Why can't federal agents just trust that I am good actor acting in good faith? Why do they have to spy on me? What do they do with that information?
Anonymous (ID: FfMNnFc8) No.61043925 >>61044188
>>61026577
Agree on inherent value. To make it real use tools that sever the fiat trail. I route into XMR via HoudiniSwap, use it, and avoid off ramp unless forced
Anonymous (ID: 9oR8dfYV) No.61044188 >>61044830
>>61042228
It's not that complicated.
The new view keys will allow XMR to be MiCA compliant; the same compliance Salvium is claiming they have because of their view keys.
Exchanges will just demand that anyone who deposits/withdraws XMR shares their view keys.

>>61043925
>>61039328
>>61029164
>HoudiniSwap
>Its a tokennotsneeded shitcoin
https://docs.houdiniswap.com/houdini-swap
Anonymous (ID: Akthodgs) No.61044307
Buying LTC from cex and swap it is the fastest way to acquire Monero.
I am not selling Monero I keep it as long term savings. And eventually use it for my digital services.
This is the way.
Anonymous (ID: RTSA30Ad) No.61044640
>>61041318
Hasn't chainanalysis been claiming this for years now?
Anonymous (ID: usuziDVo) No.61044731 >>61046618 >>61049764
>>61042081
>It will be way easier to get listings as well as convince current exchanges to post their view keys to prove 'legitimacy'
Are you fucking retarded? Being delisted and hated by governments is precisely what gives Monero all the street cred. Nobody actually uses Zcash because its widely perceived as being in bed with the feds and therefore "safe".
Anonymous (ID: WOBtxNZc) No.61044830 >>61046618
>>61044188
>Exchanges will just demand that anyone who deposits/withdraws XMR shares their view keys.
And what happens when the majority of transactions in Monero are done on these re-listing exchanges with forced use of view keys? The same heuristic chainalysis that is part of the reason the privacy community hates zcash.

People in Monero should be opposing re-listings with all of their power. View keys en masse is the death of the coin.
Anonymous (ID: 5NEJ8RH0) No.61044994 >>61045257
imagine trusting middlemen when atomic swaps exist
eigenwallet is the future
Anonymous (ID: LB4W9Kjd) No.61045226
The state shall be dismantled
Anonymous (ID: u65BhqzV) No.61045257
>>61044994
>eigenwallet
>peer-to-peer electronic cash
>a system to store, hold and transfer value irrespective of borders and governments
It sounds too good to be true.
Anonymous (ID: ZQc/jfwv) No.61045560
>>61041318
If it gets re-listed again = tracable, otherwise you'r fagot of whore mother, simole as
Anonymous (ID: aC+UYCUQ) No.61046221
>>61039190
Anonymous (ID: ibDBogGI) No.61046618 >>61049494 >>61050554
>>61044731
>Are you fucking retarded?
No. Perceptions around shady projects change all the time. See: tether.

>Being delisted and hated by governments is precisely what gives Monero all the street cred.
No. There's a bajillion shitcoins that have been delisted over the years with zero DNM presence.
Monero has street cred because of it's just werks privacy.

>Nobody actually uses Zcash because its widely perceived as being in bed with the feds and therefore "safe"
Yes it's because of the sekrit backdoor and not because of the smaller anonymity set, higher costs for using z-transactions, while suffering from the same problems that come with trading traceable coins for XMR.

>>61044830
>And what happens when the majority of transactions in Monero are done on these re-listing exchanges with forced use of view keys? The same heuristic chainalysis that is part of the reason the privacy community hates zcash.
If things play out in such a way that part of the XMR supply is traceable then the reverse of what happened with bitcoin happens. XMR supply gets fractured into 'whitelisted' supply and real supply, and there's a fight for virgin/untainted XMR that sends XMR to the moon.
Anonymous (ID: 5NEJ8RH0) No.61046622 >>61046799
the company behind zcash is israeli

do with this information what you will
Anonymous (ID: kn+DgEOM) No.61046799 >>61048804
>>61046622
checkd ztrash will pump hard I'm buying a bag idgaf
Anonymous (ID: HIl1ai9w) No.61047992
Anonymous (ID: qfkAmfp4) No.61048804
>>61046799
faggot
Anonymous (ID: 0TymIymI) No.61049494 >>61050856
>>61046618
What about heuristic chainalysis? You ignored that part.
Anonymous (ID: KWti/2ky) No.61049764 >>61050012
>>61044731
>Being delisted and hated by governments is precisely what gives Monero all the street cred.
Just like in the previous cycle, privacy is becoming a thing once more, houdiniswap taking a step further to keep my transactions anonymous, BNB chain is also back alive, moving wild with memes. what a time to be alive desu
Anonymous (ID: zgVtGEzS) No.61050012
>>61049764
Zcash is alive too! Everyone outside of this fucking thread agrees that ZEC is encrypted Bitcoin and the true successor to satoshi's vision. Nobody on Twitter or here or anywhere else cares at all about defending Monero or trying to win the debate against ZioCash.
Anonymous (ID: 675enRVj) No.61050554 >>61050856 >>61050856 >>61051635 >>61053260 >>61061974
>>61046618
you low-IQ cultist faggots gonna baghold that honeypot shitcoin til the feds rape your door and seize your autism rigs
fluffypony snitched like a bitch to interpol—courtlistener docs from 2021 prove he collab'd on traces, that rat flipped to dodge jail
monero's fed bait: chainalysis/ciphertrace/irs crack it daily with poisoned outputs (mark bills to trace spends), timing analysis (habit patterns rekt churners), decoy elimination (rule out fake rings til you're exposed), spy nodes (RPC IP leaks doxx your ass), tx history lookups (seized keys spill your whole history)
real busts proving it's fucked: incognito dnm admin traced swaps to kyc dumps (DOJ 2024); colombian cartel fag nailed via morphtoken + RPC IPs (chainalysis 2024); finnish blackmailer owned by fake buys + poisoned outs (2024); 18 jap fraud niggers doxxed from seized wallets (2024); archetyp dnm ops rekt tracing monero flows to seizures (2025); bitfinex hacker exposed via keys linking txs (2023)
even mastercard's ciphertrace tool traces backwards from any tx, kek
FCMP++? worthless cope-patch like rings/ringct/clsag—all failed bandaids on a core-leaky turd that spills receiver keys/amounts/inputs/fees to senders/analysts
your "privacy" is a myth to trap subhuman criminals like you tards—wake the fuck up, dump this trash before orange jumpsuit time
ngmi you coping retards.
Anonymous (ID: 9oR8dfYV) No.61050856 >>61051619
>>61049494
>What about heuristic chainalysis? You ignored that part.

Because the tldr is that it can be ignored with FCMP++CARROT. Even if you had the view keys and public addresses of Alice and Bob, unless you actually saw Alice send Bob 1 XMR, you couldn't tell for certain that it was Alice who send Bob that particular input; could've been Carol or Dave for all you know. Take a look at what happened in the CCS hack. Even with the view key and all the txids given to them by Luigi, Moonstone Research was only able to lockdown the true spend to 3 possible ring signatures. This level of analysis literally won't be possible with FCMP++CARROT.
Chainalysis has always claimed to be able to deanonymize/trace XMR; it's ltheir job to lie about what they're capable of. In reality, heuristics only works sometimes on users who use XMR wrong. Any time chainalysis claims they've traced XMR it's almost always because some retard bought XMR from Kraken, immediately sent it to Totallynotafed123 on drughub, and brodcasted the tx to the default cakewallet node. Basically everything >>61050554 said.

I feel like it's worth mentioning that everything >>61050554 says won't be possible in the upcoming hard fork EXCEPT the RPC leak. You fight the RPC leak by running your own node or connecting to nodes over tor/i2p.
Anonymous (ID: EXf0rJhJ) No.61051378 >>61051963
>>61042081
what's the burning bug?
Anonymous (ID: zgVtGEzS) No.61051619 >>61051664
>>61050856
Do you believe zcash can be de-anonymized heuristically?
Anonymous (ID: usuziDVo) No.61051635
>>61050554
Go post this on Dread and report back.
Anonymous (ID: usuziDVo) No.61051664
>>61051619
>Do you believe zcash can be de-anonymized heuristically?
Just log sender IP addresses, they leak by default. Moving from t-to-z and vice versa also leaks data.
Anonymous (ID: tRHTdRsP) No.61051898 >>61055985
Thinking
Anonymous (ID: 9oR8dfYV) No.61051963
>>61051378
In oversimplified terms:
>You have 2 XMR
>Glownigger sends you tx A with 1 XMR and tx B with 10 XMR in exchange for your custom Monerochan
>You have 13 XMR
>tx A and B have the same keys
>You spend 0.1 XMR from tx A on cookies
>The key image you generated is now comitted to the coins tx A
>The coins in tx B are no longer considered valid by the wallet, as only 1 key image can be committed to one set of coins.
>The wallet ignores the coins you got in tx B, 'burning' them
>You now have 2.9 XMR
>Glownigger made you lose 10 XMR for a few microneros
Anonymous (ID: u65BhqzV) No.61052506
>>61042081
>Consider for more than 10 seconds that the regulators weren't concerned with kyc/aml compliance
Consider how little I care. Regulations hamper my freedom.
Anonymous (ID: d3pyOVen) No.61053241
Nice and comfy here with the drop in fedposting since the government shutdown. Bless you all, stay safe out there, and sending good energy everyone's way.
Anonymous (ID: d3pyOVen) No.61053260
>>61050554
I just bought some more. Please look out for your blood pressure, if you let all that hate fester inside you it will eat you from the inside. Also, using Monero isn't illegal here and I've never broken a law using it. Don't forget you can use your finite energies to do something productive and useful in life, you only get so much time as a human.
Anonymous (ID: BDxsYs+i) No.61053438 >>61053518
haters will say this chart is bad
Anonymous (ID: n8G8JfI/) No.61053518
>>61053438
>Didn't even moon
Uhm sweaty how is it any good if I didn't make 1 gorillion off this?
Anonymous (ID: D57RNzCH) No.61055985
>>61051898
crab crab
Anonymous (ID: wMF91J4w) No.61056845 >>61057460 >>61057588 >>61058120
I hope you all realize your arguments against zcash are all old and obsolete at this point. Pro-ZEC accounts are winning every debate on Twitter and Monero posters and minuscule by comparison. Does anyone have an argument more recent than 2020 and actually criticizes the CURRENT tech stack of zcash?

Let’s take the most simple and obvious argument - it has a back door. Explain how this is even possible. Every ZEC poster will just say audit the code. Have you done that? Where is the back door? Tell me how it’s even plausible that it could have a back door.
Anonymous (ID: ZvxV80TJ) No.61057460 >>61058256
>>61056845
Mf the first and more obvious backdoor is in the mining pools, doesnt even need to look that far
Anonymous (ID: usuziDVo) No.61057588 >>61058044 >>61058256
>>61056845
Anonymous (ID: D57RNzCH) No.61058044
>>61057588
Based & XMRedpilled
Anonymous (ID: 9oR8dfYV) No.61058120 >>61058256 >>61060685 >>61068172
>>61056845
>I hope you all realize your arguments against zcash are all old and obsolete at this point. Pro-ZEC accounts are winning every debate on Twitter and Monero posters and minuscule by comparison. Does anyone have an argument more recent than 2020 and actually criticizes the CURRENT tech stack of zcash?

>Let’s take the most simple and obvious argument - it has a back door. Explain how this is even possible. Every ZEC poster will just say audit the code. Have you done that? Where is the back door? Tell me how it’s even plausible that it could have a back door.

Ok, you can dismiss the backdoor argument as FUD.
-Nobody uses z-transactions, so tracing the few users of z-transactions isn't hard.
-z-to-t transactions suffer the same privacy issues that come with going BTC -> XMR -> BTC
-Z-transactions are ~4x larger than current XMR transactions, and ~25% larger than FCMP++ transactions.
-Zcash is a bitcoin fork, which means it can't scale
Anonymous (ID: 4GaCuhBu) No.61058125 >>61060140
100,000,000 decoys are still relying on decoys.

Ergo, Zcash wins.
Anonymous (ID: wMF91J4w) No.61058256 >>61060140
>>61058120
>>61057588
Still no answer. Just give a plausible way that a back door could exist. That’s it. You don’t even have to prove it! Just use your creativity and invent a plausible scenario.

Things like this >>61057460 don’t qualify because even a sustained 51% attack doesn’t compromise privacy. It just allows an attacker to create a competing chain.

So the single most significant argument against zcash can’t even be sustained even with the burden of proof completely removed????
Anonymous (ID: 5NEJ8RH0) No.61058658
interesting how xmr seems to be the only crypto that doesn't follow the price of bitcoin
Anonymous (ID: lrbCwV5/) No.61060132
Anonymous (ID: HHjqfh1O) No.61060140 >>61060562
>>61058256
>You don’t even have to prove it! Just use your creativity and invent a plausible scenario.

No. I think that the sekrit Isntrael backdoor argument is stupid and not needed when there's plenty of other provable flaws in zcash that you conveniently glossed over.

>So the single most significant argument against zcash
It's the funniest argument, but hardly the most significant. The most significant by far is the optional privacy.

>>61058125
Zcash has a VPN security model. Yes it has the 256-bit space force level encryption, but it only protects your communicants between you and the server(shielded pool); everything outside of that is clear as day.
Anonymous (ID: wMF91J4w) No.61060562 >>61060685
>>61060140
>there's plenty of other provable flaws in zcash
Everyone in Monero says this, but never says anything more. No, the pics posted in this thread are not sufficient.

>The most significant by far is the optional privacy.
So you’re telling me the ENTIRE basis for the superiority complex of Monero and calling ZEC “ztrash” and hating on it constantly is a SINGLE design decision of opt-out vs opt-in?
Anonymous (ID: 9oR8dfYV) No.61060685 >>61068025
>>61060562
>No, the pics posted in this thread are not sufficient
I've already given you a list of points seperate from those
>>61058120
>-Nobody uses z-transactions, so tracing the few users of z-transactions isn't hard.
>-z-to-t transactions suffer the same privacy issues that come with going BTC -> XMR -> BTC
>-Z-transactions are ~4x larger than current XMR transactions, and ~25% larger than FCMP++ transactions.
>-Zcash is a bitcoin fork, which means it can't scale

If you need me to add more, I will.
Here, I'll throw in one for free:
https://zechub.wiki/using-zcash/shielded-pools
>Transaction occurring between "z to z" wallets on the Zcash blockchain are mostly shielded and it is sometimes called Private Transaction due to the high level of Privacy generated.
>mostly shielded

>So you’re telling me the ENTIRE basis for the superiority complex of Monero and calling ZEC “ztrash” and hating on it constantly is a SINGLE design decision of opt-out vs opt-in?
>ENTIRE
>SINGLE

No one claimed this is the whole argument.
Anonymous (ID: QsRJeV6g) No.61061344
>>61029462
What do you mean exodus wallet would convert it for you for a low fee until a few weeks ago.
Anonymous (ID: xtITPhtO) No.61061974
>>61050554
>finnish blackmailer owned by fake buys + poisoned outs (2024)
>Posts his whole server logs by himself in a public forum, including his personal IPs and payment info, doxing himself
>Monero was cracked!!
Lmao you're a joke
Anonymous (ID: Vu1z2l5P) No.61062242 >>61062267
I am too stupid to sell Monero now that the leafs rugged Tradeogre. What should I do? Australia
Anonymous (ID: xtITPhtO) No.61062267 >>61062534
>>61062242
Order drugs with monero and sell for cash. Then use cash to buy food
Anonymous (ID: Vu1z2l5P) No.61062534
>>61062267
I did this before in Europe but am scared to do it in Australia since I just moved here and don't know how to not get stabbed by drug addicts. Also all the old markets I used to use are dead.
Anonymous (ID: +Igwx9Lx) No.61063681 >>61063785
Food for thought

>Inb4 image for ants
Anonymous (ID: 5NEJ8RH0) No.61063785 >>61064061
>>61063681
Anonymous (ID: 9oR8dfYV) No.61064061
>>61063785
It's something I found in the MRL logs

><17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> snider (hashvault pool staff)'s opinion on monero's marketing
Anonymous (ID: 19ArC6zh) No.61064352 >>61064380
why are we pumping
Anonymous (ID: S3ptXuGo) No.61064380 >>61064393
>>61064352
Best coin on the market, limited supply, most upside of any coin, real use case.

Pick one
Anonymous (ID: 19ArC6zh) No.61064393 >>61064416
>>61064380
So no reason lol. That's usually the case.
Anonymous (ID: S3ptXuGo) No.61064416
>>61064393
Do you want the price to go down?
Anonymous (ID: RE21v+8e) No.61065319 >>61065414 >>61065415
ZEC
>+40%

XMR
>+4%

I HATE THIS COMMUNITY SO FUCKING MUCH
Anonymous (ID: S3ptXuGo) No.61065414
>>61065319
Our market cap is like 3x Zionist Cash
Anonymous (ID: +Igwx9Lx) No.61065415 >>61065428
>>61065319
We hate you too lil nigga
Anonymous (ID: RE21v+8e) No.61065428 >>61065462 >>61066417
>>61065415
GET THE FUCK ON TWITTER AND STOP LETTING ZIOCASH STEAL YOUR FUCKING NARRATIVE
Anonymous (ID: +Igwx9Lx) No.61065462 >>61065533
>>61065428
Show 1 post of you doing it and I'll think about it
Anonymous (ID: RE21v+8e) No.61065533 >>61065990
>>61065462
No thanks not gonna dox myself. But I have been
Anonymous (ID: ZLMttSgU) No.61065540
alright fuck this XMR cannot get it's dick up. im selling for zcash before it's 1:1

ive always said with jews you lose but i dont think the hamas bros are winning this one anymore
Anonymous (ID: 5NEJ8RH0) No.61065570
looks like the number go up retards are beginning to pour into monero
Anonymous (ID: +Igwx9Lx) No.61065990 >>61066062
>>61065533
Ok, I'll bite. Do I need to be a somebody or can I just spin up a new account and start shitposting?
Anonymous (ID: RE21v+8e) No.61066062
>>61065990
No just create an account and include $XMR in your post if you’re talking about Monero (with the dollar sign it’s a cash tag) and the Monero community can find you based on that tag.
Anonymous (ID: usuziDVo) No.61066417 >>61066585
>>61065428
>GET THE FUCK ON TWITTER AND STOP LETTING ZIOCASH STEAL YOUR FUCKING NARRATIVE
Because everybody knows the outcome of twitter flame wars is how industry standards are selected. Just checked on Dread, still 0 positive mentions of zcash as a viable alternative to monero, this is true of the privacy space in general. Nothing has actually changed yet here you are losing your damn mind.

Zcash still has 0 street cred as a cypherpunk technology, criminals will never touch it so all they got left is the compliance angle to use as fomobait. Lost cause now that fcmp++ are on the horizon.
Anonymous (ID: RE21v+8e) No.61066585 >>61066640
>>61066417
>just checked on [site nobody uses], still no positive mention of zcash
Just because your pet criminal friends don’t use Zcash doesn’t mean you have a right to resign from the fight on the narrative ground. There is an obvious paid push to pump zcash right now (at the DIRECT EXPENSE of Monero, mind you) by many influencers on Twitter and there is barely any Monero people there to check their wild claims.

You know how people here say Monero is the way to freedom? That it’s the only way to have private wealth, avoid the surveillance state, CBDCs, recapture sovereignty blah blah blah?

The huge platform shills like Naval are saying ALL OF THAT BUT FOR ZCASH not Monero. And they’re fucking getting away with it because you faggots all think you’re too good to get in the mud and actually kick ZEC faggots in the face.

If you actually think Monero is a freedom technology why aren’t you evangelizing it to everyone who will hear?
Anonymous (ID: usuziDVo) No.61066640 >>61066649
>>61066585
Every bagholder says the same thing, "my coin is better than your coin". Who gives a fuck.
Anonymous (ID: RE21v+8e) No.61066649 >>61067187
>>61066640
Since Monero IS better that zcash why not get on Twitter and fucking say it
Anonymous (ID: usuziDVo) No.61067187 >>61067213
>>61066649
Because Monero's superiority is self-evident.
Anonymous (ID: RE21v+8e) No.61067213 >>61068839 >>61068956 >>61071916
>>61067187
>this is MY sekret club and I don’t have to lift a finger to help anyone find it
You’re no better than a bakecel
Anonymous (ID: A1DDtkhw) No.61067594
Anonymous (ID: zgVtGEzS) No.61068025 >>61068315 >>61071916 >>61072018
>>61060685
None of these are good arguments. Honestly I am getting alarmed at how flimsy the XMR > ZEC argument is becoming. You NEED to do better.

>-Nobody uses z-transactions, so tracing the few users of z-transactions isn't hard.
This is easy to change and all of the indicators are that shielded transaction percentages are increasing.

>-z-to-t transactions suffer the same privacy issues that come with going BTC -> XMR -> BTC
So this isn't even an argument for Monero then? Seems like a wash.

>>-Z-transactions are ~4x larger than current XMR transactions, and ~25% larger than FCMP++ transactions.
Honestly nobody really cares about this. Unless the size difference is orders of magnitude it's basically irrelevant.

>>-Zcash is a bitcoin fork, which means it can't scale
You're seriously going to say the coin with the same emission schedule as the most successful coin of all time is a problem? Oh no it might stop scaling in 2070!!!!

>mostly shielded
>making a major argument over a single phrase in a coin's docs. A few Monero arguments are like this actually, like zooko's old tweets.

This is fucking alarming to me. I was waiting for the home run argument. I was waiting for a slam dunk, and I'm not seeing one. It WOULD be a slam dunk to say that zcash has a back door controlled by Israel, but people here seem to be fine pretending that's just some tongue-in-cheek joke rather than a real claim.

Why the fuck is Monero better? Because criminals use it? And you want your community to stay obscure and you hate financialization? Why the fuck are you people so confident?
Anonymous (ID: EXf0rJhJ) No.61068172
>>61058120
>Zcash is a bitcoin fork, which means it can't scale
they are switching to a pure Rust implementation (zebra)
Anonymous (ID: d3pyOVen) No.61068315 >>61068325
>>61068025
WHAT IS THAT THING
Anonymous (ID: EXf0rJhJ) No.61068325 >>61068356
>>61068315
Jubjub bird from Lewis Carroll's poems. It's a pun: SNARKs derive their name from Carroll's "The Hunting of the Snark" and JubJub is an elliptic curve used in Zcash.
Anonymous (ID: d3pyOVen) No.61068356 >>61068369
>>61068325
WHAT IS THAT THING
Anonymous (ID: EXf0rJhJ) No.61068369 >>61068377
>>61068356
a protocol dev. why are you so obsessed with him?
Anonymous (ID: LB4W9Kjd) No.61068377 >>61068391 >>61068392
>>61068369
that is a women sir
Anonymous (ID: EXf0rJhJ) No.61068391 >>61068839
>>61068377
literally doesn't matter. you should ask: what quality is their code?
Anonymous (ID: d3pyOVen) No.61068392
>>61068377
absolutely checked
Anonymous (ID: VCYV5uwx) No.61068839
>>61067213
thank you for fighting my fight, where can i donate to you?

>>61068391
probably the same as his hairline
Anonymous (ID: n8G8JfI/) No.61068956 >>61072036
>>61067213
>Hates non-moonfags
>Desperately wants us to waste our time getting into a shit flinging contest with some irrelevant 'privacy' coin
A pattern is starting to form
Anonymous (ID: QK1QGK17) No.61068974
Is it gonna dump? I don't have nearly enough Monero to make it when we get to BTC levels but I don't want to buy expensive
Anonymous (ID: QS7kkYWv) No.61069164 >>61073016
Should we consider MimbleWimble?
Anonymous (ID: gGydEH3J) No.61070183 >>61070240 >>61072036
When zcash flips Monero it will be the single largest humiliation in the history of this coin. Far more humiliating than anything qubic has ever done or could do.

It will be the permanent death of the claim of Monero as the leading privacy coin. The narrative will immediately flip to ZEC, and even IF Monero recaptures the lead it will be “oh yeah ZEC and XMR keep flipping each other they’re battling”

You will become a junior partner to a corporate VC Israeli shill shitcoin. And it will happen because you couldn’t get off your ass and make convincing arguments against all of the paid influencers pumping ZEC right now. You’re letting these Jews steal your lunch money and you’re acting like it’s fine. Fuck you.
Anonymous (ID: G4bLDHZu) No.61070240 >>61071335
>>61070183
>It will be the permanent death of the claim of Monero as the leading privacy coin
can I buy drugs with zcash?
No? Then it's a FUD and not a privacy coin
Anonymous (ID: n8G8JfI/) No.61070419 >>61072120
Do you guys think they'll continue the zec fud or will they go back to qubic? I personally believe they're just scrambling for funding the next qubic round and this zec shit will stop in a month or two max.
Anonymous (ID: gGydEH3J) No.61071335 >>61071533 >>61071541
>>61070240
Not beating the “Monero is just for criminals” allegations
Anonymous (ID: 6JdoPO3o) No.61071533 >>61071717
>>61071335
If criminals don't use your privacy coin it's nota privacy coin. If Zcash just wants to be a hot alt, it can a nd probably will. Doge and Shib had no utility both lapped Monero
But if Zcash is trying to be a privacy coin I'm not using it for that, and when the serious inflows to privacy coins start happening, they aren't teither.
Anonymous (ID: QK1QGK17) No.61071541
>>61071335
BTC was just for criminals in 2015
Anonymous (ID: gGydEH3J) No.61071717
>>61071533
>when the serious inflows to privacy coins start happening
“When”? It’s happening now, and Monero is losing the debate by DEFAULT
Anonymous (ID: usuziDVo) No.61071916
>>61067213
>You’re no better than a bakecel
'bakecels' help grow the economy. You're trying to drag us into a mudslinging contest on fucking twitter.

>>61068025
>Why the fuck is Monero better? Because criminals use it?
Yes. Criminals have the most at stake so what they choose to use (XMR) and what they choose to avoid (ZEC) speaks volumes.
Anonymous (ID: 9oR8dfYV) No.61072018
>>61068025
>None of these are good arguments

You say that as if the arguments zcashers have against monero are pristine and backed by decades of research and not just made up bullshit

https://x.com/neewkd/status/1975291689947562457
>It's 4-bit security!
>All your transactions are on chain!
>AI can break the decoy selection algorithm!
>Chainalysis can trace all your coins!
>Drug dealers r dumb!
Anonymous (ID: usuziDVo) No.61072036 >>61073400
>>61068956
>A pattern is starting to form
Moonboys always want somebody else to do all the work.


>>61070183
When zcash flips Monero it will be the single largest humiliation in the history of this coin.

First ZEC pump and dump? They happen every once in a while when Daddy Silbert feels like it. Folks get overly excited, a flippening is eagerly anticipated and then the inevitable crash ruins everything. Big fat juicy nothingburger.

>It will be the permanent death of the claim of Monero as the leading privacy coin.
There is zero buzz about Zcash potentially replacing Monero in Opsec-critical markets. Zero.

>The narrative will immediately flip to ZEC
You're a fucking moron.

>And it will happen because you couldn’t get off your ass and make convincing arguments against all of the paid influencers pumping ZEC right now.
wow, Twitter flame wars are really this consequential

It's just another pump and dump, idiot. Relax.
Anonymous (ID: J+hYHY0Q) No.61072120 >>61073016
>>61070419
That really depends on who is paying him. On /pmg/ there has been a similar clown going on for years now and it's the same playbook, calling anons stacktards (vs bakecels), repeating the same stupid drivel to farm engagement, etc. He's called IQDELET and I'm getting similar vibes from this guy itt. Or perhaps it's just some mental illness, but in either case the best thing is not engaging at all even for onlookers.
Anonymous (ID: 9oR8dfYV) No.61073016
>>61069164
Worthless as a privacy tool, but I find the idea of MWEB as a scaling solution interesting.

>>61072120
>He's called IQDELET and I'm getting similar vibes from this guy itt.

Yes, but It's not him. He's been here before and shills bitcoin; if anything he's the guy shilling zcash and asking for a "good" argument against it
Anonymous (ID: giMyxHKU) No.61073400 >>61073412
>>61072036
Agree with you.

Check the XMR vs ZEC & DASH, multi-year channel.
Every time the suits spin up the PR machine we get the same circus: sudden order book air-gaps, coordinated thinkpieces, KOLs, then a vertical candle so the tourists feel smart. Feels also a bit like the Piratechain pump last cycle. Where were the z-guys 3 months ago? Now they’re “everywhere” overnight like someone flipped a switch.

ZEC really runs on headlines and XMR runs on habits. Optional privacy is a permanent self-own because users leak context by default; default privacy with optional transparency is how you survive long term when being wrong has consequences. CEX listability in the case of privacy coins isn’t legitimacy, it’s convenience for SPECTATORS. Real demand lives on the rails that don’t post on X or write dossiers: P2P, OTC, swaps and merchant flows. XMR owns those because the people who actually need privacy already made their choice.

Look at the chart and breathe. XMR has been grinding up the same rising channel against ZEC and DASH for years while those two do their scheduled amusement-park rides: chart straight up, straight down, bagholders minted, narrative reset, repeat. If it only moons when the media cannon is at 110%, it bleeds out the rest of the cycle.
Anonymous (ID: giMyxHKU) No.61073412
>>61073400
Maybe I should include the timeline.
Obvious the chart a against BTC looks a bit meh, but even that will flip at some point as it naturally gets harder for BTC.
Anonymous (ID: 5NEJ8RH0) No.61073767
ztrash is a meme coin. nobody actually uses it. that's why the only discussion around it is muh pump. privacy is nothing but a marketing tactic to them.
Anonymous (ID: n9sskZ8a) No.61074576
>>61040292
this
Anonymous (ID: Akfd7/PV) No.61074817 >>61075640
Reminder that I'm smarter than everyone one of you pedophiles because I loaded up on Zcash while you're holding a Litecoin tier crab coin.
Anonymous (ID: d3pyOVen) No.61075640 >>61076949
>>61074817
can you please link a site where I can buy something with zcash
Anonymous (ID: HJ1JDR/3) No.61075788
rise of the quantum secured coins
that side of the market might actually wake up soon w/ ai and government security getting big

heard gov agencies are getting pushed toward more quantum secured options/ infrastructure.

maybe next cycle ppl finally care about security and infra plays again instead of memecoins.
Anonymous (ID: 0u2LVZJP) No.61076949
>>61075640
Seconding this. Shielded zcash, specifically.
Anonymous (ID: bpITdngP) No.61077109
>NGU NGU NGU
>*sells*
you guys are fucking retarded
Anonymous (ID: 1uVa/ifr) No.61077396
Why is trocador so slow?
Anonymous (ID: MDZf8h61) No.61078544 >>61078988
Guys I need your help this time.
What is the cheapest way to buy 4 digits worth of Monero? CEX even without KYC take like 3,5% which is not cheap.
I thought of RETOSWAP making an offer for 1% but it's a bit slow and idk if people will just wait for price changes to give me less Monero
What are my best possibilities ?
Anonymous (ID: 9oR8dfYV) No.61078864 >>61079151 >>61080358
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCTzGq3inPI

Interesting arguments from Alaskanon here. Namely at 41:00 and 47:50
Tl;Dw: a combination of low tail emission and high fees are causing liquidity problems and price suppression.
Idk if the community will buy into raising tail emissions, but a substantial drop in fees seems like an easy sell.
Anonymous (ID: 9oR8dfYV) No.61078988 >>61078998
>>61078544
send bitcoin LN to trocador. Kraken will let you withdraw to a ln address for free, and Strike's fees are like 1%. It'll end up being ~1.5% total
Anonymous (ID: MDZf8h61) No.61078998 >>61079366
>>61078988
Understood nothing. LN is lightning?
Strike?
Bro be more clear
Anonymous (ID: PaIzWmak) No.61079151 >>61080068
>>61078864
Very doubtful that would go over well. Transaction fees are really not high at all, why not increase them somewhat to make mining more profitable for individuals? Easy on-ramps to XMR are fewer every month.
Anonymous (ID: 9oR8dfYV) No.61079366
>>61078998
Yes, LN is bitcoin lightning.
Strike is a custodial bitcoin wallet that supports lightning payments. You can link your bank account, deposit funds, and send bitcoin to people without having to go through the extra step of 'buying' bitcoin
Anonymous (ID: 9oR8dfYV) No.61080068
>>61079151
>Transaction fees are really not high at all, why not increase them somewhat to make mining more profitable for individuals?

2 reasons
1. Because the way to make mining profitable is to raise the price of XMR, not raise the fees.
2. Because the things the fees are supposed to offer security against aren't going to be needed in a few months, so you might as well lower them.
FCMP++ will make black marble floods pointless. PoWER will make spamming the tx pool with inputs more expensive. If Lucky transactions gets implemented, then people will be able to transact on chain for free anyway
Anonymous (ID: pezEdUjr) No.61080358 >>61080869
>>61078864
If you increase inflation even 1% higher I will leave this project forever.
Anonymous (ID: 9oR8dfYV) No.61080869 >>61080928
>>61080358
I don't think increasing the tail emission is the answer either. Yes, 0.6 XMR was chosen arbitrarily and it's probably causing problems, but so was 21M. It's why I think lowering the fees 10-100x might be the way to go once we've made the necessary improvements
Anonymous (ID: pezEdUjr) No.61080928 >>61081311 >>61081311 >>61082867
>>61080869
As other anons said, the fees are already really low. The solution to this, as much as some people in Monero don’t want to hear it, is raising the price. By a lot.

Maybe the humiliation of a ZEC flippening will give them the kick in the pants they need.
Anonymous (ID: n8G8JfI/) No.61081311 >>61081513
>>61080928
>The solution to this, as much as some people in Monero don’t want to hear it, is raising the price.
Nobody is inherently against the prices rising
>>61080928
>Maybe the humiliation of a ZEC flippening will give them the kick in the pants they need.
Oh nevermind, you're that retard that keeps thinking zec is somehow relevant while also being a moonfag. Just sell your bags and leave this general already.
Anonymous (ID: pezEdUjr) No.61081513 >>61081865
>>61081311
I don’t think ZEC is relevant, but you’re wrong if you think it’s not an important part of Monero culture to ridicule zcash and call it a compliance coin.

I think many OGs would be “humiliated” in a way by it flipping XMR, not because it suddenly means ZEC is the king of privacy, but because it’s the shitcoin that was always talked about here.
Anonymous (ID: n8G8JfI/) No.61081865
>>61081513
It's an irrelevant shitcoin. We are decoupled from tradfi but once we start seething about tradfi causing some money in crypto we just seem bitter about not being favored by them
Anonymous (ID: QnnP6AZN) No.61082328
It's hilarious to me that XMR just dumped 15% and I don't feel anything because subconsciously I still think $270 is a fairly high price
Anonymous (ID: 5V4xMY2e) No.61082409 >>61082481
I didn't sell, I don't even know how to convert anymore. Diamond hands.
Anonymous (ID: kgMKQnId) No.61082481
>>61082409
based retard
Anonymous (ID: 9oR8dfYV) No.61082867
>>61080928
>The solution to this, as much as some people in Monero don’t want to hear it, is raising the price. By a lot.

Except the typical way to do that (having a bunch of normies ape into your coin for speculative gain) can't happen because it's not listed on normie exchanges