Thread 61122567

Anyone else who runs a business feel like people are trying to fuck you out of money 24/7?

>>61122567 (OP)
once i bought my house every door to door salesman tries to scam me
window guy said I need $20,000 of new windows, after I asked him if he does window cleaning
air conditioner repair guy said I need $25,000 of new AC+heater, when my AC stopped working, I replaced 2 parts for $75 total and it started working again

>>61122606
lots of shitty tradesmen out there

>>61122567 (OP)
Brother, you run a business, you are also just trying to fuck people out of money. I'm saying this as someone who loves to fuck people out of money, myself. Luckily, there's enough retards out there who will buy literally any bullshit if it's marketed correctly or placed conveniently in front of their fat fucking faces, so you will fuck more money out of the people than the people who will try to outfuck you.

>>61122666
someone willingly buying something is not fucking them out of money..

>>61122683
Oh sweet summer child. No one knew about or wanted a fucking smartphone, before Steve Jobs came along. Creating a need artificially through marketing (just placing a product on a window or on the internet is already enough) and making people believe they need that shit is totally not fucking them out of money, yes. That's why most marketing is directed at women, they love getting fucked - out of money.

>>61122606
Most small businesses are run by midwits that do provide a service that is valuable but they don't have the long term vision to connect the dots that trying to fuck people or cash in a big sale in the immediate term fucks them over.

Recently my wife bought four wheelers at a place we'd been looking at forever. I told her get what she likes, well one of them she liked and it's a fucking Raptor 450l with a clutch and basically jumps from 0-30 in a half second.

Second it got off the truck I was like "who sold you this, you won't want that." Now they are hassling her over a trade in trying to get her to take a way cheaper model in straight trade.

You morons, we're rich and we're going to tell everyone not to buy from you.
Someone walks in and buys $20,000 in fourwheelers just randomly and instead of catering to them in every way you try to back end fuck them?
They'll never be big and will wallow in misery while I am rich with a long time frame and continue to grow and grow.

Same with contractors. Young ones trying to overcharge...IDIOT, you over charge once you are so popular and trusted everyone is happy to pay it.
Not when you are 27 with no reputation.

>>61122666
You're not getting my money, satan!

>>61122666
>>61122726
you are retarded.

>>61122808
pearls before swine, what can you do

>>61122683
Right.... until said thing you bought breaks or stops working. Sure bud

>>61122986
so if you sell mugs and someone drops one that is you fucking them out of money?

>>61122991
No you dipshit. That's not what I'm talking about. Absolute ignorant retard.

>americans
cursed nation. elected a crook who robbed every tradesman he saw, and they line up to grovel thanks for the theft.

>>61123014
normal business is not 'screwing people out of money' dumbass

>>61122728

My dad did garage doors and openers most if his life and never fucked anyone over, which is why he always had business throughout the year.

He always did free estimates and people would call him out after some asshole would tell them they need a new $3,000 garage door. My dad would look and most of the time they just needed a new opener for $200.

He also would point out how shitty the construction workers were (literally building tilted garage door openings), the dumbass electricians running wire where it shouldn't be and letting it dangle, or how the last retard that built their garage door put the tracks in crooked.

You make more money by tricking people, lying to people, cheating people, stealing all their money and skipping town, and so on. And we all know that more money = smarter and better person. If you want to get ahead in this world, you have to maximize your profits by any means necessary.

>>61123022
Woosh...

>>61123154
Your sound like the type of person that gives a blowjob for 10 dollars and then try to push his luck telling for $5 extra you will lick the nutsack and perineum and $2 to swallow the cum

>>61122567 (OP)
that's what you're trying to do to others lol fuck u

>>61123124
Low IQ people don't know they are low IQ and they legit think they are smart for saving themselves a few minutes or half assing something to get done faster.

>>61123022
profit = how much you screwed someone over
>in before omg commie
no thats just facts

>>61123390
And then Atlas Shrugged.

Stupid/immoral people don't understand that business/economics don't have to be zero sum and can be totally symbiotic. The indian disease is that they think everything is zero sum and like a self fulfilling prophecy it becomes so.

>>61122728
>customer comes in and buys $20,000 in stuff
>comes back immediately and needs to return it
You might be rich but you are retarded and more of a pain in the ass to deal with than you think.

>>61123421
>customers go out of their way to be awful to me, the poor business owner!
Found the shitty small business owner.

>>61123390
so if you cut someone's hair you should do it at cost and make no profit? are you baiting or just dumb?

>>61123421
It was still brand new off the truck. We wanted to keep three of them and get a roughly reasonable trade back offering to bring it back and take a loss and incur feeds.
Instead of that they insist the best they can do is a fourwheeler literally $7,000 less than this one.

We'll spend the next $20,000 elsewhere and tell our rich friends that fuck those guys.
It's simply not smart business.
We're literally paypigs and you slaughter us first opportunity and blatantly?
Okay. Meanwhile I have nearly a thousand wholesale clients and operate out of a beautiful building.

>>61123435
>customers are always right and you should grovel at the feet of anybody who comes in to your store
>also you need to grovel at their feet when they don't know what they're and makes it your problem

>>61122567 (OP)
I'm an independent contractor in a few different fields i.e. fitness, real estate and others. And yes everybody is hurting, especially the people that pretended to be rich or tried to keep up with others through comparison.

>>61123451
You didn't spend $20,000 there. You gave them money for a thing then like a retard who has no foresight and no ability to look around on the internet you demanded they take it back.
Even now you're too retarded and stubborn to realize how much of a retarded pain in the ass you are. Imagine if every customer who bought anything demanded a refund for 25% of the things they buy.

>>61123443
it's hard to tell because there are many people who actually think this way

>>61123537
If you cut someone's hair you're stealing their time, money, and hair.

>>61123154
No, india is run that way and the nation has no wealth.

>>61123564
and their dignity, it's basically rape

>>61123564
Shit bait, ranjeet

>>61123489
kek
How poor are you?
I am literally rich BECAUSE I KNOW what a pain in the ass people are.

They had a fish on the line that was going to paypig for decades possibly. A hot woman spending money on a whim.
I assure you, in my operation, we don't run off hot women that walk in buying the most expensive things in the store.
Thusly, I'm rich and married to a hot woman.

>>61123451
Also you're double retarded for giving your wife free reign to pick what she wants. I hope you're capable of using this as a learning moment not to trust her with any large purchases if you can't contain your spaghetti the moment the consequences come

>>61123603
>im rich
>muh hot wife
>I literally should have my balls suck by everyone im so rich
You sound like a double douche, m8

>>61123603
You're married to a hot woman with the brain of a child and you gave her the credit card. No business wants someone around who is so retarded they are going to demand returns for 25% of every item sold

>>61123489
It's easy to tell you have no fucking financial or business acumen. If I had the choice to sell 4 items to a guy and get one back and have the guy be a repeat customer, or sell 4 items once and try to fuck him over for 1 item he returns and never have him return every again, I easily choose option 1. Especially with items that are low number, high value, like fourwheelers. It's barely any effort and easy fucking money every time.

>>61123610
Yeah, that was very retarded.

>>61123489
This. Even admitted he told his wife to get what she wanted. If you want to blame someone that isnt yourself point at your dumb wife. If $20,000 is coming out of my account for anything you bet im scrutinizing every possible detail until I approve it twice.

>>61123641
You're still trying to flex your money as if it matters when the one time your dumb bimbo wife bought 'the most expensive thing on the lot' she wanted it returned

>>61122726
Zoomers will never know the pain of trying to navigate in an unfamiliar area with printed maps, mapquest instructions, or even just asking directions from strangers.
The smartphone has changed life in ways you will fundamentally never understand.

>>61123667
I'm not even that guy, holy fuck are you retarded

>>61122567 (OP)
Also, I personally feel like every small business I interact with is constantly trying to fuck me.
Large businesses / corporations trying to fuck you is just a given, but now SMBs are getting in on the act.

>>61122567 (OP)
If you're in retail, yes. They constantly try to get free shit through lying and steal

>>61123610
>>61123617
>>61123619
She's a neurologist and even though she makes $425,000 defers to her big daddy business man for purchase decisions.
You can never even imagine this.

We are not hurt by this and as a business person I know this was a pain and offered to pay a cost and fee and whatever.
However, it's BLATANT that they lost more money on their response to this situation than the extra few thousand here.

People like this come back 5 years later because theirs are "old".
I'm not even mad about it. I'm just telling how stupid people behave and that it gets them nowhere in the long run.

It's sitting the garage brand new and I'm thinking about just keeping it and buying another from the other place and also if they don't fuck me doing the trade in on them all at the other place 5 years later.

>>61123617
I'm objectively describing the situation the business was presented with.

>>61123641
I wasn't even trying to get a return. I was trying to trade in for a reasonable "sport' option that was anywhere near the price.
He passed on all my future business to try and keep the $2,000-$3,000 he would have to give back.
And mind you, we are out of nowhere, same day buyers, new customers and this all happens within twenty four hours.
We can sell it on marketplace for $8,000 easy and he tries to straight trade us for a $5,000 fourwheeler?
You can't help these people.

Do any of my fellow salarymen stay overnight in netcafes to avoid the long commute?

>>61123706
>Large businesses / corporations trying to fuck you is just a given, but now SMBs are getting in on the act.
Small businesses have always been fucking you, they always charge higher prices because they don't have the volume so you have to pay more to support them. And for some reason everyone is acting like you have to support small businesses just because. Fuck no I don't, they're charging me more. If anything they should be charging less because they have less space to lease and fewer employees to pay. But every time their prices are 50% more.
Why should I eat that cost?
If one day hypothetically the big bad corporate boys raise prices 200% overnight just to rape customers, guess what? The small business owners will be right there with them raising prices 250%. So fuck em.

>>61123812
It's clear you are too retarded to see the lesson here, the business was smart by losing you as a 'customer'

>>61124255
Small businesses are cheaper though. You just haven't bothered to look around for anything that isn't globohomo slop.

Now, if you sell globohomo slop products then you shouldn't be surprised you fail if it costs more than the major globohomo slop vendors. Basically you are at the wrong small businesses.
Honey, eggs, meat, veggies all sorts of shit is better quality and cheaper from the local sources.
The issue with most of shit small business is that they are just globocorp pass throughs. Of course fuck them.

>>61124293
Yet I'm rich and have the opposite philosophy.
Interesting outcome. Must be astronomical odds that the smart business man is poor and the dumb one is rich. Yet, it must be true.

I'll still keep pleasing large buyers though. I just can't shake the idea that it's working.

>>61123154
ok but what if I'm white, any advice?

>>61123154
>doesn't factor in moving costs
Many such cases.

>>61122567 (OP)
Bid and ask are not just labels on a charted asset, Anon. You want to sell your product at a certain price. Customers want it cheaper. Your supplier wants to sell their product at a certain price. You want it cheaper.
You can call it "everyone is trying to fuck you out of your money" but it's just bid and ask.

>>61124379
You're rich with an ATV in your garage you didn't want and your dumb bimbo can't ride. You're rich and still on 4chan letting everyone know how retarded you are?

>>61124373
>Small businesses are cheaper though.
they really aren't lol
big business can charge cheaper due to scale

>>61123154
If everyone were as "smart" and "good" as you it would be a giant version of India

>>61122567 (OP)
Im tired of these fucking Indians trying to negotiate every goddamn aspect of a project. It might be customary to negotiate your shithole country, but that's because no one has any fucking money for anything of value.
We don't do that shit here in america.

I love when They think they're so smart and elite then I upcharge the fuck out of them if they're not white and then negotiate down to a still exorbitant price.
Get fucked ranjeet, you will not devalue my trade.

>>61124448
we're getting there

>>61122726
Blackberry predated the first iPhone and it was a wildly popular platform for years. During that time there was also a myriad of other experimental phones that touted a smartphone-like feature or two as their selling point: usb to PC, touch screens, browsers/internet, qwerty keyboards of all kinds, games more complicated than Snake, etc.
The "cell phone" was already rapidly evolving into the "smart phone". The iPhone consolidated all of those features into a single product that, at the time, was jack of all trades AND master of all. For most people. The only caveat was that people had to make a lifestyle shift towards Apple products—hence the Android/iOS rivalry, which pops off when Android emerges as a competitor shortly after the first iPhone.
The "smartphone" has been on this track ever since. "Do everything and do it the best."

I get what you want to say. But in your example, to say "nobody wanted an smartphone before Apple psyop'd the public" is fucking dumb.

>>61124420
Yea, but the other guy will never be rich.

>>61123845

I read all your posts and have concluded:

>giant ego and giant faggot that expects everyone to suck his cock and bend over backwards for vague lies about how he would be a "repeat customer." Also weird vague threats about how you will cost them business (you don't have any friends)

It's clear you wanted them to jack your little peepee and you're butthurt that they didn't and now you're crying to strangers on the internet. You're not as big of a deal as you think you are.

Who trusts their wife to buy anything with an engine in it? What kind of absolute limp wristed cuck excuse of a man wants to purchase fourwheelers by sending his wife to blindly purchase "what she likes" and have zero involvement in the process?
You aren't a man. You're a faggot. No amount of coping will change this fact.

>>61122726
Dude you're a disgusting midwit. geeettt OOUUUTTT.

The simple fact alone he would want to buy fourwheelers but depend on his wife to actually go and buy them without any involvement of his own says it all.
No red blooded man with a functioning dick and balls would do that. Any man with low side of average testosterone levels would be in the dealership inspecting everything themselves and wanting to test ride before they buy.

Anon has exposed himself as an actual soi beta cuck. And even if he were rich instead of being a larping low test faggot, he'd be more than happy to keep an overpowered and impractical fourwheeler just because.

>>61122846
shut the fuck up dumbfuck poop colored wagenigger

>>61122728
Wait. Youre bitching because your wife accidentally brought home a bad ass bike? You would probably get mad if there were extra women in bed too.

>>61122666
Powerful digits for a proportionally weak soul.

>>61123812
>defers to her big daddy business man for purchase decisions
Imagine how much bigger a businessman you'd be if you actually locked the purchase beforehand and not proceed to argue about it with the owner, circlejerking your wife about it and posting about it on a Sumerian Copper Smelting Symposium expecting people to suck your dick over a guy not bending over backwards for something that wasn't agreed beforehand.
Time's money, bucko.

>>61122728
Meanwhile in Glendale, CA there is a community there that goes back to when they were in concentration camps. Somebody at the Mercedez dealership made a Japanese customer very happy. Now there are a lot of older Japanese driving these used Mercedes around Burbank. It pays to not be retarded.

>>61127444
Respectful but assertive post, with humble repeating digits. Domo.

>>61123154
This mindset right here is why the third world is shit and will forever stay shit

Just recently I thought about this a bit more and came to the realization that literally everything and every job in this world is built on scamming people.

>become mechanic
>looking to start my own shop
>oh I know what, I move to the town that does not have a mechanic yet
>because this way I can demand double prices for the same work
That is quite literally a scam and how the entire world works.

>>61123020
Hahahaha idiot, who shut down all the mining industry in USA, such as coal mining?
Hitlery Clinton and Democrats.
Who is currently busting his behind to return mining to the USA and reopen coal mines and coal powered power plants, shut down by Democrats?
Donald Trump.
I swear some of you are clueless.

>>61126654
It's me again.
No. I literally don't care at all.

In person I am ingratiating, humble, and coach Down Syndrome kids in the local soccer league.
I sponsor sports leagues, I've been asked to run for city council, I'm a highly respected member of the community.
I have confidence and lay it out there.
I called MYSELF a paypig. I made no scene. Just left after a short conversation when it was obvious that I just never wanted to see the guy again.

Meanwhile, in my regular business, the one I've made millions off of, I get out of my office to help an old lady that chose the wrong cabinet hinges personally and let her exchange her for free and tell her thank you for coming on a $15 sale.

I've behaved that way for 20 years and over that 20 years I have grown and grown and grown. That guys corner lot with 30 ATVs hasn't gone anywhere.
I tried to help him and he rejected it.

Things going wrong or the customer fucking up and you fixing it creates lifetime customers and word of mouth that can't be bought with any amount of money.

>>61122567 (OP)
There's alot of hostility against businessmen, its like these poor copers think that just because you're running a business it means that you're swimming in money.

>>61123680
It’s easy to understand. dude is just a retard pretending phone need is artificial.

>>61127323
Cope. There are only so many choices. We'd discussed it before and looked at them online.
The consequences were VERY LOW to me. It's called risk analysis. I'm running a business. She went over there on her time and arranged it.
Legit would have cost me most of the 2,000-3,000 just to leave the office for 3 hours to go make the deal.

And again, it's not about what you think...this is the main issue of why people fail at business. It's what I think. The customer.
My wife is a woman neurologist. She already whined and cried to a group of sympathetic nurses and doctors that all have money about how they treated her poorly and a meanie man tried to screw her.
The guy lost. FOR SURE HE LOST.

Two of my hunting buddies (I don't hunt) that buy these things every few years were by my house mirin' by chance and I wasn't gonna be a woman like my wife and boohoo, but they were there and like "GOD DAMN" about the 450r and just by chance they were explained that the place in XXXX are faggots that just want a quick buck.
So they lost those guys too already.
There are 5 stores within 30 minutes.
Limited rural customer pool.
They've been badmouthed to 30 people so far, mostly by my wife, but by me to two specifically potential customers.

>>61123154
Brown hands typed this post.

>>61122567 (OP)
It's not just business owners (of which I am. It is the entire US economy.

The Carter/Reagan/Clinton deregulation basically set up a "fuck your neighbor/scam economy."

>>61127342
kek
You guys and your imagination.
I have tractors, forklifts, trucks, heavy equipment, and run a large manly facility with table saws, carousels, warehouses, and literally every tool you can name.
We weld here for fun because we haven't gotten to in awhile.

This was for convenience. I now know they can't be trusted at all so it's over for them
Fourwheelers ARE a woman purchase, kek.
They are cookie cutter, brand new, easy purchases. That's what you send a woman for.

When I go out I'm looking a forklift or a piece of equipment that A MAN actually needs to survey in person.

>>61127643
>moving your entire life to service a place with no options is scam
Probably really what contributes to the animosity you are right.

>>61122567 (OP)
you dont have to run a business these days to feel that way every fucking day feels like running a gauntlet of people who want to separate me from my money; the government is the worst for it though

>>61122567 (OP)
Some do, some don't. I learned to deal appropriately with both.

>>61128094
Everything you say is narcissistic rage and humblebragging. The autist sees the narcissist.

>>61128249
Yes. I'm posting in an online forum and getting (you)s.
HOWEVER, these are objective facts that I am rich and a potential customer that was run off.
How am I supposed to say it?
The details are what makes it the story. It's the entire point here.

When I have the home designer from the rich neighborhood of the rich town come in like I did a few years back, I bent the fuck over backwards.
Everything could be returned, "take these to try" etc.
She's been locked in for years now and spends a few thousand every couple months on the high end stuff.

I don't even cringe if she has a $500 return. I behave as if it's no big deal at all and I'm quite happy, it's "no trouble at all" and "my pleasure" to take this return for you.

>>61122726
>Oh sweet summer child
Please see pic related.

Also, aren't you the dumbass who shit up a thread this weekend screaming about your giant truck you use for "heavy equipment sales" >>61123641? You are such an obvious closet case, kek.

>>61124390
Where's the contradiction? Your leaders ran pump and dump crypto scams

>>61128356
Unreliable narrator. You can't help yourself from arrogantly posturing that tells me that most or all of what you're saying is fictional.

>>61128147
>It's not just business owners (of which I am. It is the entire US economy.
Yes this.
Had to replace some pipes in the house.
Anything that was under sink from Home Depot turned out to be chinese junk. Had to replace it recently again, was a bit better quality this time ( I guess lots of people complained), but still have some doubts.

>/Clinton deregulation basically set up a "fuck your neighbor/scam economy.
I actually bought No Soliciting signs, best investment I've made. Majority of scammy salesmen stopped showing up, just now get an occasional one.

>>61128188
>>; the government is the worst for it though
Yep.
Anon, yeah had to close my office recently, best decision ever.
>no employees, only 2 contractors left
>no warehouse
>no shipping that goes up randomly
>no gov taxes that go up every year
>no money stolen off the business revenue (claiming they don't have VAT tax in US, yet one school tax is an equivalent of a revenue VAT tax).
>no making me pay quarterly taxes out of my small business
>no making me reporting taxes monthly
Fck this gov taxation shit that mass kills small businesses.

I got replaced by some children's center , some women who get some $10 mln / year in fake charities / donations and are running some children's association on government money.
>money stolen from me who provided jobs and moved the industry waaaaaaaaaay forward
>to a point that large billion $ corps copied my products and my website
> and given to random women

>>61123022
okay how about another example, with a normal business this time
car manufacturers and dealers in a society that requires a vehicle to be a functioning adult
i dont want to be anchored to insurance and maintenance, nor the big lump sum or financing, yet if i want to exist i must
>someone willingly buying something is not fucking them out of money..
what if im unwillingly buying because there is no other fucking option retard

>>61122726
Could have come up with a better example, a smart phone is essentially a laptop more-so than it is a phone. Hell it's also a camera more-so than a phone.

No one would need "convincing" for that sort of a utility. It's smaller than a laptop with the only downside being it's shit for typing, there is an innate value for its utility.

No, fucking people out of their money would be making said phone with planned obsolescence

No matter how much money ATVanon has he will never recover from being schooled in this thread.

>>61128937
You're coping.
You assume there is something to posture about which means you are weak.
You are scared to consider the points made by a real person so you write them off as fake to maintain a worldview.

>>61130118
Where was I schooled?
I'm literally here schooling people on how to be successful. I didn't make the thread.
I repeated a recent episode where someone could have made a lot of long term money but instead chose to try and get as much as they can at the very instant because they have no long term understanding of the consequences.

Now, maybe he values telling someone rich to fuck off. That's actually fine and more power to him actually.
But to me it wreaks of insecurity and low self esteem and it for sure has consequences in the long term.
But if he really had contempt for me, well thought out contempt, he didn't hurt me at all. So it was pointless.

Yup, he's seething he didn't get his validation

>>61130363
Validation as what?
He sold a woman a racing fourwheeler and I asked nicely, while saying it was obviously her mistake, to run an exchange through.
You HAVE to make things up for me not to have a point.
It's pathetic.
I didn't even say anything to him about consequences. I left.

The people that matter most and have self respect don't threaten or demand anything. They leave and you never see them again.
What else happened in your imagined scenario?

>>61122728
same desu except im richer taller bigger dick better looking hotter wife

>>61130482
That's believable as I am 5' 8" and my wife is 38.
One of the best 38s you'll ever see. But there are better looking and more rich people than me and my wife.
However, not in that guys store.

>>61130482
yeah? guarantee I'm richer and my hog is bigger than yours. my wife is also hotter and richer than yours.
did I mention I'm rich?

>>61123154
i work in corporate at a massive company most of this thread has probably given money to. the company approaches business exactly like this. the company gets sued 8 figures at a time by states, the fed govt, etc. and they just accept it as a cost of doing business.

>>61122567 (OP)
I don't run a business and I feel that so

ITT midwit 'rich guys' that will lose it all over the next decade.

>>61130521
>>61130482
It's hilarious how butthurt you are about being presented an actual business scenario.

I'll irritate you more with something that just happened.
I'm in the biggest nicest building in town. I started a used bookstore as hobby years back.
I went slow and steady and at this point, even though I'm clearly rich, I get called once a week to be given books.
I've gotten probably 5,000 free books from people around locally.
How?
Because I am about to go do the pick up from an old lady for whatever she has and I am thanking her profusely for her contribution on what isn't a money maker but good for the community.

I'M NOT TO GOOD TO GO HELP AN OLD LADY FOR WHAT IS NOTHING.
Over time this works very well because people, rich or poor, just want to be treated right.

A month ago, local auction company that knows about my bookstore and knows me as totally legit calls me...they've got 2,000 books, good $5,000 collection easy.
Can I just come pick them up for free they say? It's just too much to piece meal out and GUESS WHAT?
The widow knows me from when I spoke at Rotary club about my community bookstore.

This is how you win. You win by trusting the process and not being greedy.
People refuse to see it when they are capable because they don't want to work.
People that are low IQ can't see it.

>>61130618
Why am I at Rotary talking about my bookstore?
Because if I'm at Rotary shilling my big business I look like an absolute fuckhead.

How did I get invited to Rotary? Because of the bookstore. Why? Because a former Judge in town that runs Rotary learned about the bookstore from the book club.
It all plays in. Inability to see one thing lead to another is a point of failure for most small businesses.

Look at how invested this "rich" person in in making himself look better in this thread. He's becoming aware that the only thing he has is something any lucky lottery winner could have, but he is a brown skinned retard with a more retarded wife who he retarded let's have control of decisions.

>>61130650
He's just making shit up for a giggle. If he posted his hand it would be brown.

>>61130650
>>61131211
I just ant the other guy to see the folly of his ways really and this is my cope.
He's already way ahead of folks like yourselves and he just needs to have a little more faith in his long term prospects and he'll make it.
But it may be too late and it hurts me a bit.
We are in a fight for basically everything and the one guy with enough spirit to have his own business and get customers just gives it back to a bigger guy like that for basically nothing.
Sad and many such cases.