Thread 61124865

Death. rattle.

>>61124865 (OP)
It would require a dozen or so of motivated militarized groups like the Houthis to cut the majority of undersea cables, and other internet infrastructure. Militarized nations will render satellite internet unfeasible
The internet and by extension crypto will not survive a world war, gold will.

>>61124891
>trust me bro the heckin militarized groups are going to shut down all digital infrastructure for no reason
>sure my gold would be completely useless in this scenario along with all fiat, stocks, and everything else that isn’t food, water, guns and bullets
>therefore I will not buy BTC and continue to lose

What a long winded cope…

>>61124865 (OP)
Do not post your cum dungeon screenshots here again please.

>>61124891
Cope you retard. If the internet goes down, humanity dies. It would be like the Y2K scenerio where all planes crash, all nuclear reactors meltdown, water dams would overflow, all stock markets and communication would implode. The world has become too dependent on electricity / internet for them to let it go down. Imagine zoomers suddenly losing access to the internet.. they would be in the streets tearing everything down. Gold is near useless in such an apocalyptic scenerio. Look at Ukraine and Gaza, theyre in the middle of war yet everyone still has access to the internet and are posting videos of the action.

>>61124865 (OP)
>when we lose, we win

>It isn't this, it's that.
>We aren't just doing this, we are doing that.
>This isn't just competing with that anymore, it's absorbing it
Tiresome AI slop

>>61124865 (OP)
>digital scarcity
How the fuck is something that's not physically real have a value fuck how is something that's digital have a scarcity

>>61124902
>For no reason
It chiefly hurts their adversaries, this place is full of terminally online losers who cannot imagine life without the internet, so I understand your disbelief.
>sure my gold would be completely useless in this scenario along with all fiat, stocks, and everything else that isn’t food, water, guns and bullets
Gold retains its value even after such events, historically, it has intrinsic value.
>therefore I will not buy BTC and continue to lose
I do, but that does not mean I'll craft long-winded copes.
>>61124926
>Cope you retard. If the internet goes down, humanity dies.
I stopped reading here, you are a child.

>>61124949
Because uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh reasons.

>>61124932
>>61124932
Central bank accumulation driving this is capitulation. They are price-insensitive and purchasing out of distrust for fiat, not belief in gold’s renaissance. When central banks dominate the buy-side, there’s no incremental demand left from private investors.

That signals a distribution top similar to how retail mania marked Bitcoin’s 2021 top, this is the institutional exhaustion phase for gold - a far worse and more permanent signal for its relevance

>>61124954
>It chiefly hurts their adversaries

You sound like an unironic Israel boomer shill, go back to listening to Warren Buffett grandpa your nurse is going to get worried you’re not back in the supervision area

>>61124865 (OP)
Can I hold a bitcoin in my hand? No? Then its never replacing gold.

Anyone hodling bitcoin is legitimately mentally retarded. Imagine not being all in on silver.

>>61124969
>can I hold a digital payment in my hand? No? Then it’s never replacing paying with cash
>can I hold an email in my hand? No? Then it’s never replacing writing a letter
>can I hold the GPS infrastructure in my hand? No? Then it’s never replacing a paper map

>>61124966
>You sound like an unironic Israel boomer shill
The opposite, faggot. Think about it logically, we are in the midst of a world war, one of the first thing peers target is infrastructure (look up partisan activities in WW2). And the easiest way to do this is to fund and arm partisans.
Undersea cables are even easier to target than substation, because you virtually cannot cover all that ground, sea-floor in this case, and sea drones are becoming extremely ubiquitous.
Now what you fail to understand about the internet is that most great powers can easily maintain an intranet even with sea cables being targeted, but the international nature of the internet will 100% die.
Then the bitcoin network will split, and every nation will have separate networks if we are being optimistic.

>>61125003
95% of gold holders do not actually hold it physically either. In this case BTC is actually more safe and secure because of its infrastructure. Unless an apocalyptic scenario occurs that literally ends all technology even isolated networks could still transact and use Bitcoin.

>>61124865 (OP)
THIS. Gold will never reach 4150

>>61125034
memeline faggots deserve to be homeless

>>61124926
are you fucking kidding me? There are active conflict zones around the world at this time, what the hell are you guys doing over there in the USA? why are you all insane now

>>61125015
>95% of gold holders do not actually hold it physically either.
Exactly right, and I'm one of them, all my assets for now are held digitally, I won't deny it.
>In this case BTC is actually more safe and secure because of its infrastructure.
Again I concur, but you misunderstand the concept of supply and demand, BTC will have absolutely no value once shit hits the fan, gold will fall too but will maintain a high value.
>Unless an apocalyptic scenario occurs that literally ends all technology even isolated networks could still transact and use Bitcoin.
That's simply not how it works, we will have separate networks, and each will have its own ledger, but here is the big issue in your theory:
BTC is dependent on a very specific moment in time where the world is extremely wealthy GDP-wise, electricity is cheap and abundant and internet infrastructure is stable and reliable.
Gold is gold, it is very simple, it does not have all these caveats for it to work. You do not know what technology will look like 10 years from now, what if quantum computing take a lot of strides in the war? What are the risks of physical gold in a war?
So my points stands, physical gold in war is the best asset to hold. The Swiss know this well. They have been living as kings exactly because they attracted that specific asset.

>>61124926
>Humanity dies if the internet goes down
A man can dream

>>61124902
>>61124926
These situations are closer to reality now than they were a decade ago. And if we're reverting to man and state in their primal war time states I fully expect gold will continue to be treasured by central banks over btc. Gold hoarding was a move by governments telegraphing the intentions of war and protectionism, most suitably by European nations wishing to kick start police states but for less malicious actors as well. Keep your btc, it may go up, it may out perform gold but if you're planning for the jubilee of prior "bull" markets in crypto or equities you're beyond foolish. You should be prepping barrels and bags, secondary trade goods are a lesser concern. AI will be used to foment web based attacks that have the potential to effect physical infrastructure; this is assured even if the bubble pops. Itll be used for power grabs namely digital ID in America. Perhaps you can see why some think maxing only in crypto is a bit short sighted. I have crypto as a hedge just as I have silver and gold as a hedge. But I also have loads of shelf stable food, antibiotics and arms. What abouting on any particular event is pretty meaningless and bad at convincing others. If you want a tip from an insider, I'm not rich or sacred bloodline but I matter more than most cattle here and get information you never see or see much later. Act like you're going to have to get on with just your village, or your neighborhood with no outside assistance except police and military pointing a gun in your face and maybe robbing you. There's been an excess of unidentified guys probing the perimeter so to speak, industrial accidents are accelerating and are beyond all being just carelessness. It is subtle sabotage and preparation of various factions for something larger 5th gen in nature but if your internet or power drops you wouldn't know anyway and it'll be state propaganda on your screen increasingly as we move along.

>>61125034
Gold is 4233 usd btw

>>61124865 (OP)
>actually, the price of gold being high means its finished <meme pic>

>>61125122
>>61125061
>>61125061
This assumes that value emerges only from industrial or ornamental utility under collapse conditions. Money’s worth has always come from social consensus and network acceptance, not intrinsic chemistry. In local or regional crises eg Lebanon 2019, Ukraine 2022, and in less developed and unstable countries in general, digital money and crypto use has spiked, not bartering with gold bars.

Bitcoin nodes automatically resync when networks reconnect. Temporary forks resolve by longest-chain rule which is already tested. Even isolated regions eg during internet blackouts can use satellite relays, radio transmission, mesh networks, or portable nodes. Full extinction of electricity and computation means civilizational collapse

Gold also relies on energy, infrastructure, stability, etc. Gold relies on industrial extraction, easy and secure transportation for large amounts, and a social acceptance of the value it represents at a mass scale. You have been boomer brained. If your concern is mass apocalyptic scale war and you want to survive you should focus on investing in a self sufficient bunker full of thousands of rounds of ammo, guns, stockpiles of MREs, water filtration, etc. The non schizos will simply make the best investment available assuming civilization will continue.

>>61125142
>digital money and crypto use has spiked, not bartering with gold bars.
That's my point, because more prosperous regions have stable infrastructure and cheap electricity.
Even if the network survives and the forks resolve, your problem is misunderstanding the value of electricity itself. Do you actually think in the case of a major conflict, that mining would be acceptable use of electrify? You CANNOT be this retarded. BTC is an asset that assumes the abundance of certain resources.
Gold need not be mined, the current supply of gold is more than sufficient, it has been a staple of trade for 3 millennia.

>>61125122
In that situation i would like to flee the crisis points
Like take ukraine recently am i going to take heavy bags of gold a 1000 clicks to jump the eu border and hope no one on the way wants to peak inside the bags i can't carry
Or do i memorize some shit that isnt even visible
Every recent conflict evacuation was key and in total apocalypse all of us die and the gold is for the archeologist to dig up a few centuries down the line

>>61125187
That “current supply of gold” is mostly physically hoarded in very specific places. It has to be securely moved, tracked, transported, distributed, etc

Doing that with a physical asset is far more reliant on reliable infrastructure than BTC

Smuggling gold is harder than smuggling a seed phrase

Gold didn’t have consistent acceptance as a means of value and currency until a stable civilization established it as such

>>61125142
I don't think you are hearing me, the goal appears to be or eventually will be segregated internets, to control information and lessen attacks launched by foreign actors. Militaries control the bulk of satellites and all of the anti satellite weapons so go build your own. And again I said not to sell your btc or other utility/bluechips. They may hold value or grow in value. But I'm also saying you shouldn't put your bread entirely in one basket because spooks are taking pictures of the vulnerabilities of your basket and the government is shilling it for enhanced methods of control for dissidents and their purchasing power. Gold is good only because power brokers are saying it's good, quietly with their actions. So I do believe it will stay valuable so long as the people with armed guards, uniforms and the ability to shape fiscal policy say that it's valuable. The take away wasn't intended to say buy gold to get rich, but instead to act as if there is a metaphorical fire in which the elite are moving quietly to the doors for reason and you should act accordingly.

>>61124865 (OP)
>digital scarcity
This is not a thing and will never be a thing since it's impossible. Every economic movement in the last two decades has proven beyond doubt that only physical goods and property are value, everything else is bullshit.

>>61125211
There have been several means of controlling the flow of wealth outside of countries. Gold and btc are the same in this regard, perhaps you can get somewhere with your crypto but actually selling any significant quantity without triggering a fraud alert at a bank is the difficulty. You can try and may succeed but I caution you that there may be no place to run to and little means of escape. This is both west to east and vice versa, there have been attempts by certain members of the capital class to flee similarly which faced such hurdles and that was before the theoretical walls started going up. I believe every nation of note is clamping down and will push jingoistic rhetoric against any outsiders that will in time be easy to sell, paired with rigid border security and immigration surveillance and control. If you are looking to flee, wherever it is you think will be safe and not eventually deport you I'd suggest that you move there now, get your money in country and establish permanent roots as soon as you can.

>>61124865 (OP)
Bitcoin will plummet moron. The Internet itself doesn't even have 20 years left, never mind your made up coins

>>61124865 (OP)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!

>>61125304
you cant predict with certainty where the crisis point will hit at what time
the only certainty is in mobility when it happens and when it does leaving is the best choice by far
worrying about banks doing aml checks on your capital flight is retarded what aboutism
there are already many places that care nothing about such things where black markets in many different denominations exist against the .gov dictates

you seem to be assured there will be a totalitarian regime with absolute power
this is the most retarded thing, we are in a structural decline and competency crisis, if anything the unraveling will hit the ability of the governments to enforce things first, i suggest you travel somewhere right now and experience this effect first hand

>>61125375
Everyone will be experiencing the same crisis, this isn't a flash flood more like a second dark age.

>>61125387
the severity of which will vary depending where and when
like i said the only correct move to play such an event is constant mobility

>um actually investing in BTC is dumb because what if the apocalypse happens

This is the final cope. The only way to shut down the prospect of Bitcoin.. is the end of the world. Lmao.

>>61124865 (OP)

You know 90% or more of humans haven’t a fucking clue what Bitcoin is or how it “works”. Everyone knows how gold works. They are starting to queue for it.

>>61124980

All relying on something gold never needs.

Rocks are going to zero

>>61124926
Money requires trust. Why would you accepr the digital money of your competitor, especially if he already owns most of the supply? Dollar is losing value because the world trust less and less the USA to run the system without fucking everyone.
Precious metals don't need trust because they just exist no matter who possess them, it retains value because you can't fake it nor invent a supply that isn't already there.

>>61124881
>bitcoin isn't competing with gold anymore; it's absorbing it

>would you like me keep talking about gold? or do you want me to tell you more about digital currency?

fuck of AI slop enjoyer

>>61124979
This guy fucks. Silver chads rise up

>>61125428
>The only way to shut down the prospect of Bitcoin
Is hyperinflation so bad that everyone turns 100% to gold and silver, and walks away from fiat with extra steps...

>>61125060
You realize even in the most rekt places the still have working telecom infrastructure.

>>61124926
>. If the internet goes down, humanity dies
Functionally, this means their is no electricity anymore in which case almost everyone will die in this scenario except the most isolated and already self sufficient communities, and only ones that are really isolated/unknown. Your billionaire bunker will be a prison the horde burns you alive in.

>>61125015
I think even a 5% estimate is wildly high. How many people on earth have a million in gold coins in there moms basement?

>>61125531
Platinums up 70% on the year
Golds up 55%
Silvers up 55%
In fact, all of them are up at least a 1/2% since you made that comment.

>>61125187
You totally don't get the way the protocol works.>>61125187

The boomer sperging is going to be so funny in the next year when BTC cracks $160k while gold settles back to below $3k. It’s going to be the final signal that gold is no longer relevant. Good riddance.

>>61125555
>Money requires trust
>except this particular money, because everyone already trusts it

Fucking moron.

>>61125122
I was into prepping 15 years ago. I don’t give a shit anymore. 3rd wonders are everywhere and white people don’t stick together and are weak now. So what’s the point in putting immense effort into surviving? I got gold and silver and I’m hoping for a mostly seamless transition. If mad max lasts longer than a year then I really don’t give a fuck.

>>61125778
>Doesnt know that non-Americans are going to flee like the locust they are to another place, hopefully china; when the welfare dries up and the rest will die of starvation/attempted robbery
I hope you off yourself the first week :D

No you see gold is a superior store of value. You see if I had bought $1000 of gold 10 years ago, I’d have around $4000 today.

If I had used that same $1000 to buy Bitcoin, I’d have around $519,000 today.

So you see, gold kept me far closer to the original value I invested vs Bitcoin. BTCers btfo

>>61125796
Kek, white people are a different species now. So even if they all leave your stuck with a bunch of white faggots. I’d be doing myself a favor killing myself to not have to be around browns or white people. Great brown people leave and you are around dopamine addicted rap loving wiggers and tatted fucking white whores who will need 6 white guys to gang bang them at one time to get the same level of satisfaction they got from Tyrone stretching her gaping hole before the collapse.

>>61124902
Shiny rock boomers entire investment thesis has always rested on apocalyptic scenarios. You can't take anything they say seriously

>>61125841
Fascinating thesis Rajesh, you should really not let white people consume your mind so much though, it’s not good for your self esteem

>>61125860
I’m white. I’m the creator of the Merc dime formerly well to do housewives meme. White people are far to degenerate now to be saved even if things go our way racially. Which is why I’m all in on the degen’ing now and just having fun. It would take 100 years to get back to the 1960’s Americana way of life and decency and culture that there was. And that’s if smartphones disappeared somehow.

>>61125889
Sounds like you have forsaken God and are condemned to wallow in misery for it. May Christ have mercy on your wretched soul

>>61125894
I’m just going with the flow bro. 15 years ago when I was prepping some, it was still kinda America. What’s there to save now? I have a fighting spirit, but I don’t have the energy to help rebuild, especially with the kind of people white Americans have become.

psychopath faggots just be spewing drivel thinking everyone will fall for it. OP's post literally makes no sense.

>>61125973
Of course it does

Gold has nowhere to go from here.

What, does anyone seriously think gold is just on the start of its generational run? This is just le beginning! Definitely still another 100% or more to go!

Lol. Lmao. The number of boomer faggots who are buying the gold top and will get BTFO in another couple of months or sooner is genuinely baffling and yet unsurprising at the same time.

This is gold’s absolute peak. if you want to actually invest for the sake of increasing your wealth gold is the last thing you would buy right now because it’s been institutionally exhausted.

>>61125566
except BTC has projects that use gold to back it... Now you have GLD>PAXG pairings that not only pump value from gold into Crypto but also vice versa. There is uncertainty for Crypto, but most of people's opinions on gold is solid. Do you see what is going on and why gold increases in value?

>>61125985
>What, does anyone seriously think gold is just on the start of its generational run?

>>61125729
Cant wait to parade this one around next year. Thanks bitcuck

>>61126391
Long as you still post it when it comes true.

>>61125985
have you noticed the extremely suspicious lack of media narratives around the gold bullrun? it's because china is dumping their dollar hoard for gold

as soon as they drop the dollar peg on the yuan, bitcoin, the dollar and america will collapse overnight

>>61126479
That’s a neat cope but unfortunately it’s not going to save you from buying at the top like a mongoloid

>>61126499
the most recent all-time record high was... 3 minutes ago

you're a bit early to be calling a top

>BITCOIN IS ABSORBING GOLD
at least TRY to form a convincing argument

>>61126506
>it rose $10!!!
>im saved! I may have bought at $4100 but im still early enough to make major gains!!
>1 week later
>okay sure its at $3800 but its holding strong! New floor! An explosive takeoff to $10k is still inevitable soon!
>1 month later
>sure it’s back under $3k but this is just an alive cat splat before we’re at the moon!!
>1 more month later
>fuck it’s at $2500 again! I can’t afford to lose it all time to sell!!

I hope you enjoyed your personalized fortune telling experience

>>61126596
you're projecting a lot of emotional investment onto me

perhaps that's actually how you feel about your internet coins...?

>>61126605
Yes, I’ve truly lost so much money holding bitcoin. Everyone who’s been holding bitcoin for years is operating at a major loss. It’s definitely going to go well buying into a boomer asset at the top, and best case holding desperately for 10 years to maybe get back what you put in plus inflation while you watch BTC pull another 10-15x. Can’t say you weren’t told very explicitly I guess

>>61126509
>TRY
the first roachpost I kek'd from in ages

>>61124865 (OP)
what's the point of hoarding gold if you're gonna sell it in useless fiat?

>>61126613
>bitcoin is up
yes, i'd heard

what i'm saying is that your exquisite pantomime of an emotionally invested bagholder in your last post was a little too true-to-life

you're not going to be the one calling for an alive cat splat at BTC $72k, are you...?

>>61126635
also wouldn't it be harder to sell than bitcoin since it needs to be weighed and assayed? at least with btc I can sell in one click

>>61124934
I feel like I'm going insane

>>61126635
>>61126646
the intention of ron paul-era goldbugs was never to sell. they were planning on a time when the money would be re-backed by gold, reversing nixon's policy from 1971, making their investment legal tender

>>61126635
>>61126646
"Fiat" is latin for "decree".
Fiat money means "decreed wealth".
Crypto is also decreed wealth, it has no tangible value and scarcity is but a promise by some dude. Just like old dollar bills promised their value in silver and gold scarcity once.

Those old bills can no longer be traded for real value, promises broken.

Enjoy your neo-fiat.

>>61126708
>Crypto is also decreed wealth, it has no tangible value and scarcity is but a promise by some dude.
>tangible value and scarcity
>implying values of stores of wealth is objective and not via social/historical consensus
>doesn’t understand how bitcoin works, thinks Satoshi is siting in an office promising people its valuable
>hyper low iq posting

Bless your soul

>>61124865 (OP)
>x isn't y, it's z
LLMs talk like huge faggots

>>61125410
I think this is probably right. The loss of competent white men running critical things is going to bring the end. Terminal decline has been with us for decades, it really started with democrats going brown in cities and all our cities are filthy, broken, disrepair and this only gets worse. Planes crash or collide, industrial sites explode or burn...this is all part of the over arching decline.

>>61125135
gold will never reach $4250 lol it's time to send boomer rocks back to the stone age

>>61127954
You mean white vermin caused the destruction of themselves. No other race cares about you, even your own women hate you, and half of white men hate the other half.

>>61128915
Sounds like a problem of the Godless. My church community (Orthodox) doesn’t have this problem. Have you considered how you’re probably possessed by and surrounded by demoms?

>>61125122
No one trusts paper printer go brrrrr money any more.

>>61125015
>95% of gold holders do not actually hold it physically either. In this case BTC is actually more safe and secure because of its infrastructure. Unless an apocalyptic scenario occurs that literally ends all technology even isolated networks could still transact and use Bitcoin.
yeah, btc’s safe till the sec decides to read your tx history.
houdiniswap gives that same security but with silence built in.

>>61129375
Fuck off muh nu exchange muh nu scam coin pajeet. I can’t even tell if you’re Indian or a bot anymore

>>61125985
You don’t understand the macro economic environment

Imagine talking to a glazing chatbot like a woman