Thread for posting your cosplays, or asking advice on cosplaying. Stop making singular threads for your cosplays, newfags, this isnt reddit
Cosplay-adjacent question, my living arrangement isn't so great this year and my work-from-home setup has taken over my sewing desk. I need to still make costumes for 2025, what's the best way to get a setup going for sewing? I cannot move my work equipment since I'll need them on a daily basis.
>Implying anyone reads anything before posting, including thread OPs
Noble but naive
>working on joshua graham
>got the shirt, boots, sleeve garter taken care of
>using mummy bandages instead of gauze, the white sleeves and such should handle curved areas like the nose
>need a new vest because I bought a cheapo Amazon one with pockets over where SLCPD and SWAT need to be
Question now is whether it's better to paint the vest markings or use one of those fabric markers you see at hobby lobby. I also need a Bible and the .45.
>>10944775get a second desk/table and use the biggest of the two for what you need most room for.
Best way to be comfortable in cosplay?
>>10944852Without any further context...loose fit + breathable material. Also with POCKETS. If there aren't any, make some / use something that serves the same function
>>10944774 (OP)Me as Hatsune Miku From Vocaloid
>>10944835Try getting a toy m1911 on Amazon and painting it. It has an ejecting mag and a slide.
Maybe get a hollowed bible so carrying it around at a con isn't so heavy.
As for the vest I am unsure.
>>10944846>>10944777>Second deskI know that is the most logical and simplest answer, but it's also a space issue. My sewing desk-turned-workstation is already crammed into my bedroom and there is no space for a second desk. I've thought about using the dining table but it also seems like a huge hassle to have to reset it twice a day and ensure there's no stray thread or fabric lint in food, or the risk of getting oil stains on fabric.
>>10944920Do you sew every day or multiple times a week? Do you use your desk for work for home purposes every day or multiple times a week?
How big is your room? What items need to be in your room (bed, desk, etc) and how big are they?
There are space saving solutions but it helps to know what exactly the situation is before giving recommendations.
>>10944899>hollowed bibleWeak
Get a real one instead
It isn't that heavy
>>10944774 (OP)Whats some simple vosplay using everyday items for male. I know clark kent is popular. What else is there. I want to do something simple but at the same time eye catching. Preferably comics or mainstream Fandom. Not into big anime much other than one punch man.
Best glue to glue fabric? can't stitch anything sadly
First cosplay ever! I sewed the top half myself with a pattern from indigo patterns on Etsy. Itโs a sleeveless button up shirt, jacket, and bow brooch. This is made with bed sheet and itโs my first time sewing anything with sleeves. The cosplay judging booth at the con I went to really liked it :) Skirt isnโt screen accurate because usps got delayed
>>10944967Iโd use your work/personal desk as a sewing space. Iโm guessing that you have a pc and thatโs the issue, right? Is it possible for you to store your pc and use a laptop instead? That way, both machines are easily portable and you can alternate
Suppose I'm trying to put spots on a spandex bodysuit, do I paint it in or glue foam instead?
>>10944774 (OP)Need some help : I have glasses I want to temporary tint. Is there some kinds of transparent stickers that works for that ? I canโt buy another pair
>>10945706Dont ruin your glasses for a cosplay. Get contact lenses.if you really want, you can cover your lenses with some colored plastic/film to give them a tint
Going to try making my own gloves & stockings to practice. Are there any patterns in particular that people suggest?
>>10946017actually super cute
Going as Crona for this year's con. Would appreciate any advice on how to cut and style this wig to look more like Crona's canon hair. I know I will need to trim and hairspray it... But I really like the way crimped wigs look and hold shape. Do I literally buy a crimper? Do I brush it out after crimping? Do I have to tease it? How do I make the sides flip out after trimming? Etc...
>>10944856Pretty sure you're cosplaying as a serial killer
>>10945673I'd recommend trying to learn how to press your seams, but your cosplay doesn't need it nearly as much as the Homura behind you does.
Any general advice for sewing PVC/4-way stretch materials? I'm trying to make gloves for rouge the bat and I'm not completely sure how to go about it. I've made some basic templates out of spandex as a test but PVC has the look I want.
>>10946393Pretty sure he is one
does anyone have advice for getting crotch snaps to stay closed without super glueing them together?
>>10944774 (OP)Are muscle cosplays still okay? I've been trying to bodybuild for cosplay, but from what I've read it seems like doing them is a faux pas these days.
>>10946849I think it's fine if you're actually invested in the character you're cosplaying. I think most people roll their eyes because a lot of bodybuilders/gym-bros will just use cosplaying as a lazy excuse to show off their gains
>>10946849you'll have to check the rules for the con you're attending to see if you can be shirtless or not. they might limit shirtlessneess entirely or they may allow it for men in cosplay photo areas, it really depends. i did see a man get informed he had to put on a shirt at a con i was at recently and i got a lot of amusement out of it
>>10946849nah dont let fat bitches gaslight you into thinking that, people love it and will ask for pics with you if its a character people give a fuck about
I cosplayed miyuki takara from lucky star , I want to redo the cosplay bc I barely styled the wig and I had the wrong glasses
>>10946892You look great! Yeah, I think you'd 100% complete the cosplay with those changes
>>10945677I'd be embarrassed to post this
>>10948063Thank goodness you are not him, thus letting anon be free to post his creation!
>>10946892Are those moles or piercing holes
>>10946827Tailor the crotch to give the material more slack. Or use hook and eyes.
I'm gonna be making a Katana Man cosplay. I've never made a helmet before, but I found a guide for making one out of foam. I'll also be making the blade from foam. What'd be the best way to securely attach the blade to the helmet? I don't want it to fall off or imbalance the rest of the helmet while I'm wearing it.
First cosplay from last night was mr. moot... The hammer was a bit difficult & messy but I wasn't rly going for perfection. Really had fun in this one I thought you guys would enjoy
>>10946892hello please be by gf
>be a girl
>have pink hair
Are there any fairly casual but easily recognizable pink haired cosplays? Gonna be spending 12 hours+ in cosplay. I have a few in mind like Yuno Gasai, Hitori Gotoh, and Miyuki from lucky star but I want some more ideas. Bonus if the character wears twintails. (I have time to make the cosplay, I just want something that will be light for comforts sake)
>>10948789human fluttershy
>>10948789bocchi the rock
>>10948236Magnets are a staple. You're not going to have a good way of keeping the helmet balanced except to try to weigh both sides equally, though.
>>10946242>do i buy a crimperA good one isn't cheap. If you do this you'll need to carefully control the heat so as to not melt your wig and you're going to want to section it so the most visible parts of the wig don't look like a frizzy mess.
>do i brush it out after crimpingYes.
>how to make the sides flip after trimmingTake a hair straighter, heat up the ends, then quickly wrap them around something cylindrical. You can also use hair curlers and dunk the ends in boiling, then cold water. The idea is the plastic will melt into the correct shape when it cools off.
>>10948789inori, madoka, shikimori
God why are lithium batteries that aren't awful so hard to source? They're in literally every device in the world right now and it's hard to just buy one that's the size and capacity that I need.
Fuck me i thought NCR Ranger was going to be simple for my first but these Duster prices are insane. I'm gonna hit up some Army Surplus stores around me for an equivalent coat instead.
>>10948365nice mansion, anon! thanks for letting me sleep over, and that lamborghini you gifted me was too nice. and that ride in your private jet was awesome!
What kinds of putty would work for smoothly blending the edge of a foam panel with abs plastic that can adhere to both without damaging the foam as it cures? I want to modify a scooter helmet into a flight helmet by adding the bulges on the side that accommodate a headset.
best place to buy zentai suits of a certain color?
I will be wearing them during summer outside and I will wear shorts and shoes over them
Finishing up my cosplay of Severian from Book of the New Sun that I'm planning to wear to PAX. I'm pretty disappointed in this cloak, but I had a tight budget so this is the blackest one I can afford right now. In the future I'd like to custom make one and give it a lining of some ornate fabric. I just finished printing the sword, so I'm going to spray paint it silver and gold, and then hand paint some details on the hilt.
I'll have to post a full-body once the boots I bought come in.
I continued on my cosplay
and now, I'm out of fabric...
Maybe a silly opinion question, but I'm looking into my first truly homemade cosplay. The thing is, it's a character that wears pretty normal clothing. Like the outfit is mostly stuff I could get as real clothing. However, it wouldn't be accurate to a few details/accents. I guess I'm wondering, do people tend to appreciate 1:1 accuracy or would they rather something be adapted/more realistic?
>>10949745shouldn't be a problem if things are more realistic. for example, people wear safety shorts under their skirts, wear longer shorts, or put extra covering.
>>10946892How did you do your eye makeup?
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Working on my 1st cosplay. What paint do I use for painting jute? I don't want it to stain, or rub off.
I'm a newbie to cosplay and the questions may have been asked before but I don't care, so here goes;
I want to cosplay 2B from NieR:Automata (yeah how original) and considering I suck at making shit myself, I'm planning to buy it. I'm the fucker with too much expendable income so I would spend up to 800-1k euro for a good quality one. Is there any sites I could buy the full set (with or without sword), preferably in the EU so I don't have to worry about any kind of customs fees.
I have long natural hair, how the fuck do I put on a wig??
>>10952144>I have long natural hair, how the fuck do I put on a wig??Can't help you there, but do you have someone to style the wig? Wigs are rarely styled correctly from the factory, and even if they were, they're totally messed up from being stuffed into a bag
>>10952144For putting wigs on with long hair, you're gonna need to do a braid and bunch it up at the top. It'll be a bit "tall" but usually adjusting the wig will compensate for that.
Any black characters to cosplay?
I did Ekko for my first
>>10952339I don't really have anyone to do that, I dunno who do I even ask for that sort of stuff.
>>10952499Alright thank you, I guess I could have googled for such a simple question but still, thank you.
>>10951978is that morrowind armour?
I asked at the wig stall of the cosplay area of a con yestered day about putting red on white hair and was told I could sharpie it on, would this work well or do I need to properly dye it?
>>10952862Gothic 1. It's the novice armor from the swamp sect.
>>10944774 (OP)I'm not sure if this counts but the costume didn't really get recognized
My last cosplay was really heavy and cumbersome to wear with a leather jacket, foam chest plate, large 3d printed prop gun and a 3d printed helmet that fogged up and limited vision.
So I want to do something simple I can wear more casually, and was thinking of pic rel. I can def make it, I just want to know if I'll look totally retarded if I got a beer gut as pt3 Joseph.
>>10953133im the same lol, my past cosplays were just annoying to walk around in for a whole day so im going simple next time
honestly nobody will gaf about you. thereโs so many ppl at the con and they prob wonโt give a second glance unless they know the character. if you really wanna hide it though you can buy menโs spanks or shapewear
I want to start cosplaying, specifically making props and armor. I figured Darktide enemies would be good, since they have grungy armor where damage can hide the mistakes I'll probably make, and most wear masks and helmets to hide my nervousness.
I guess general newbie question, but where should I start? Practice with other foam armor tutorials, start with easy stuff like the pauldrons, get the actual clothes first, etc?
>>10953564What's your runway? Complex curves and getting the seams right are a pain. This is going to be a multi month build for a noob.
>>10946849>>10946879Its really simple
>Get shredded>If allowed - go show off your chest>If not - wear one if those meme abs tshirts
>>10953581Do you mean where I want to wear it? I don't really have a set deadline or place, I just thought it would be a fun project that I could eventually pull out for cons.
>>10953630If it's your first go, there are a lot of parts to fabricate, you don't know what you don't know, etc, and you'll probably need to combine foam crafting, kitbashing things like hardware store respirators and scooter helmets with other crap, and a bit of sewing, maybe some 3d printing.
If you don't know shit about any of these, I think it will take you months of working at it bit by bit on the weekends. Which is fine, but don't expect it to get MVP before fall. Warhammer shit is fiddly with lots of details. Its not like just jazzing up an affordable FOTM gacha daddy Chinese premade cosplay with some foamcrafting, sewing a few details, replacing fabric details with more accurate 3d printed or scratch built bits.
>>10953631Thankfully I know a bit about kitbashing, sewing, and printing, so I can transfer those skills well enough! And I agree, it'll be a lot, but hopefully my love for it will make it an easier process too.
Thinking of doing Sakamoto for a small con in my small city, seems simple enough to pull off. One hurdle is I actually want the glasses to be one-way visible. Given the history of anime, there's other examples of other characters with glasses like this, so I figure someone might know a trick or two.
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Where are some good resources to learn some simple sewing? We have a sewing machine. I want to try making this outfit but I've got no real clue where to start. I also don't want to watch a 3 hour long video..
What's a good way to just translate my measurements properly to what I need to make onto the fabric itself? I cosplayed before but only with what I commissioned from people, or what I ordered, and those times they never fit snug enough on a small frame.
>>10951978Looks awesome. If I knew how to make shit I'd do a Seeker cosplay
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>had gotten ready for last year's AX with a Lupin cosplay
>Get one of the biggest cold sores on my lip that I've ever gotten in my life on the day before the trip
Is there a way to prevent this from happening again this year? I felt like a total creep through out the whole convention (other than make up because I don't know how to do make up for dudes)
I'm looking to cosplay Rider from Fate for AX, but the Ebay seller I usually use won't be able to ship it in time. Are there other sites I should be looking at, and is it fine to just buy it off Amazon and risk the clothing quality being shit?
>>10954160The thumbnail makes you look like a dog person.
>>10954160Uh... we're on the same discord server, lol
>>10953768>Where are some good resources to learn some simple sewing?Your mother. A local sewing store. Search the web for "How to sew".
>I want to try making this outfit That doesn't look simple... Have fun working with knits on the sleeves and vinyl on the gloves, ears, and vest on your first go at sewing anything
> I've got no real clue where to start.Start by looking up how to make the costume you want and making enough time and buying enough material to make it three times. Any good tutorial will show you how to take measurements.
>>10954160More like Gay Full-til-burster
>>10954475He looks like he uses Discord
Looking to make a cosplay of Kaiji, specifically his look from the Restricted Rock Paper Scissors arc. I've sourced most of the jackets patches except for the blood chit on the back. Pic rel is the best reference I've found but it's shockingly low res.
I can have the blood chit printed if I find a high quality file. If anyone knows where I can find a high quality file or a premade blood chit to buy I'd really appreciate it.
Got some boots to cosplay the silent hill 2 guy today
I don't know if anyone here can help but I'm looking for any and all armor making guides with foam and or worbla. I'm specifically looking for the plans for this one image I found.
This is my first full suit of armor cosplay, though I've got experience working with foam and worbla, but I'm not wanting to spend 20 bucks on a guide that I might not end up using.
Specifically looking for the one in the image but also down for any and all guides you might have.
what would you use to make these ruffles or whatever in a miku cosplay? from the picture it seems to be about 0.5 cm thick
I do have some ruffle tape, but it is too thick and I havent found any smaller
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>>10944774 (OP)I SEWED MY SKIRT TOO LARGE I MEASURED MYSELF WHEN I WAS EASY BULKING WHAT THE FUCK IT BARELY FITS
THIS SHIT TOOK SO LONG TO FUCKING MAKE I DON'T WANT TO DO IT AGAIN
Working on a cosplay of the Faithkeepers from Frostpunk, the Frostpunk 2 design in particular.
Got most shit planned out, but anyone know of a good way to simulate soot?
Like, i could just scrub my hands on some charcoal and rub em at the cloth, call it a day, but i would like to avoid the homestuck troll makeup thing of accidentally staining shit like chairs with the soot.
An idea i had was watering down black watercolors and using that, but it feels like there has to be a better way. I'm using a thick, rough cotton cloth for the main body of the costume.
>>10944835UPDATE:
>ditched the previous vest >have an entire bag full of spare wraps because getting 1-2 inch rolls involves buying an entire set >wrapping the head takes patience to get it snug but breathable >might invest in snakeskin boots and belt laterMy trial run at the last con kept me indoors because venue security actually thought I was a cop
>>10953768For a full beginner, i would recommend starting up with either something simple like a shirt or a jacket, where it doesn't matter that much that the measurements are exact, and then moving on to high-detail practice making something like a plushie. Making clothes for plushies and larger dolls is a great way to same on cloth money while practicing, it can build up quick even using the cheap stuff. Plus, less bulky to store.
Skintight stuff in general, like gloves and things that have to grip the skin like that bunnysuit, can be really annoying to make as a beginner since they require a lot of precision to look right, specially with less stretchy cloths like what that looks like it uses.
>>10944774 (OP)Im doing a cosplay of The Immortal from Invincible.
My plan was to just cover a blue shirt+pants with white and yellow tape, but my tape has started to fall off.
Should I just tape it all the morning of my event? Or try to paint the clothes? Idk how I would do that.
>>10955139that's going to look like utter dogshit. Try sewing strips of fabric to the clothes if you aren't making a full outfit.
>>10955110I see them mostly sold as mini ruffles or mini pleated lace, people use them a lot for lingerie!
>>10955132I don't get it, can't you just paint the clothes and for your hands use a strong sealer?
Fuck broadcloth. Everything made with it looks like shit, and now that Joanns is closed I can't get anything else
>>10955122Okay, this shit's dunzo. I've handwashed and and hot dried the thing twice to shrink it, but anything short of elastic surgery isn't going to cut it. I've also been ironing and pressing for 45 minutes but some wrinkles just aren't going to come out, so FUCK IT. It's a full circle so it'll gather a lot and hide some of the defects. Now to finish the hoodie, hair ties, wigs, and props. Fuck me...
>>10955192Unfortunately, I havent foynd any that small
how do i get over my bizarre particularity regarding cosplay? i feel like everytime i see someone in some store bought cosplay that they couldn't even bother to iron and an unmatched wig or tennis shoes i get annoyed more than i should, and then that manifests in me feeling like i need to try and craft the perfect cosplay idea thats way beyond my own skill level or competence, and i kinda just end up waffling. is it just a mental block from being overly judgemental? i feel like bad looking and lazy cosplay almost insults me, meanwhile i barely even go to cons
>>10955257Try to at least make a small prop and see how it goes
Is James Sunderland wearing an m65 jacket? What model of flashlight does he use?
>>10955192The paint thing is pretty much the current plan, just chucked it here in case I was being stupid and not realizing a simpler option.
The jacket is almost done. I just need my buttons to cure, hammer them in, then hem the bottom 1/2". Working with ponte is a fucking dream.
>>10955257>everytime i see someone in some store bought cosplay that they couldn't even bother to iron and an unmatched wig or tennis shoes i get annoyedThat's normal
>end up wafflingIf waffling here means not making the cosplay well, you're just inexperienced. If it means you aren't making it at all, set your sights lower and know that you're better for at least putting in the effort.
what's a good fag-coded cosplay for someone that's fit to attract twinks and femboys
>>10955134Disregard, anon
I'm totally nailing this outfit right now and it's almost done
I've never been so proud of my own work, I'm so glad it'll be done in time
>>10955307Just be yourself. I'm sure your affinity for poopy man butt will shine through.
If that fails, Eleanor Roosevelt
>>10955308post your current work
>>10955311I also have a pair of gloves I'm working on that are really coming together as well
This outfit isn't like 100,000% perfect but its absolutely fitting what I need it to do, I just need to make a few more cuts and to make the blindfold + bunny ears, then lastly the silver threading and gold buttons, the simple adornments around the outfit
Then it'll be done
>>10955312damn, you're right that does look good. I don't know how you got that foam vinyl or whatever it is to fit around like that, but I'd make little darts around the sides to make it look fitted if that doesn't fuck things up. The left heme is a bit wonky but sewing a running stich through it to match the reference will make it look better.
>>10955332Ill maybe give this outfit another stab down the line, I wont lie I eyeballed this outfit pretty hard, fortunately the main piece only took me 1 attempt after making 3 or 4 templates out of a shoddier cloth.
Neoprene is a nice material. The actual piece is very small, but it stretches really well which gives it this nice shape.
How ought I construct this nametag? I was thinking of drawing the art in some nonstandard size, laminating it, then glueing a manilla folder to the back of it and cutting it out. I would like to buy a yellow namesleeve if they exist, but if not niggerrigging it is the next best option
Anyone knows if there is some special wash care for aliexpress polyester cosplays or can I just toss it into the washer?
>>10955405Hand wash everything
Are there any good cheap bald caps I can buy that are also reusable? I also never used a bald cap before, any advice or things I should know before handling it? I don't really need it to look super spectacular or freakishly realistic or anything either to be honest, it's mostly for a joke cosplay, looking sort of bald is good enough for me.
>>10955563Go all in, shave your head.
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I fucking HATE hotglue
>>10945677>cruelty squad. Simple and effective.
Honestly a light coat of pink facepaint and a comical looking foam gun and this would be perfect.
>>10955680it's a bit wobly but what the fuck ever it needs to be done by tomorrow
my wig is absolutely fucked and detangler isn't working
Where can I get a relatively okayish looking oversized straitjacket for an MGSV mantis cosplay? Chinkshit is ok, Aliexpress is only showing bolero straitjackets, or other ones that cut off at the chest.
>>10944774 (OP)Hello
i am new to cosplay
could anyone tell me any good sites for buying cosplays and cosplay related materials?
>>10956042Read the sticky and help thread, dumbass
>>10956143did not realize there was a help thread
thanks
>>10955751it turned out okay. I despise working with wigs but I'll need to get good eventually.
Never made cosplay or cosplayed before, but I figured this would be the place to ask. I was thinking about making a cultist robe, the idea is that it's an anonymous host body for a large group of cultists that could use magic to take turns being in control of the body. This would be shown by me making some sorta ritual or magic trick thing, and then changing my voice and mannerisms.
The thing I wanted to know here that my idea sort of relies on is... is there any decent ways to get a blacked out face effect for a cosplay so I could maintain the illusion of being a faceless entity? Like I think there's some black see through stuff people use for costumes where they want to hide the face right? Would that actually look good for this or is it way too obvious?
I looked at google for images of cultist or grim reaper cosplays but none of them seemed to be going for a blacked out face, either all having their face out normally or using some mask instead.
>>10956537>This would be shown by me making some sorta ritual or magic trick thing, and then changing my voice and mannerisms.Taking suggestions on this too if anyone has any neat ideas, I'm going more for a comedic style than a spooky lovecraftian horror so it's fine if it's a bit silly or cartoony.
If anyone has any idea how to make some simple puff of smoke or anything that looks like a little goofy magical effect I would love some advice on that, like if I could maybe do something like this scene from kung pow.
My First attempt at Nerd Armin from AOT/AOSC
Turned out ok I guess but definitely making quite a few tweaks for my next attempt
>>10956707Serial killer vibes
>>10956726So I keep being told haha
Oh well...
I'm going to Dublin Comic Con next month as Edward Elric
>wig looks good when looked at from the sides, back, or angled front but looks flat when viewed directly from the front because the bangs blend into the rest of the wig
is this a problem?
Where do I even go for wigs that aren't total horse shit? Never bought a cosplay wig before
So I want to get a gauge for how possible it is to use cameras on a helmet to see (as in actually be able to see in front of and around myself) with screens in the helmet in front of my eyes.
Is there a low latency kinda streaming setup I could do somehow? Would the screens be too close to the eyes to be used practically?
I ask this 'cause a common complaint about masked cosplay (and stuntmen) is that its hard to see out of the mask, if at all. This would make a cool project if its actually possible, like a temu bootleg Ironman lol.
>>10956956Possible, yeah. But wholly impractical, adding a ton of pointless weight and complexity.
Just use a mesh screen over your eyes if that part of your face will be covered by a non-visor element
Going to Fan Expo Chicago this year,Gonna be a wizard playing a game of chance with other patrons. Will security understand the meta or will I be asked to leave? Im black by the way.
How do I make this mustache? Kyora Sazanami from Kagurabachi.
I can't find anything premade that looks the same shape or color. I've watched videos of people making a mustache manually with wig lace and loose hair, but it looks really time consuming, and I don't even know if it'll work when I need the mustache to be this big. Would the hair even be dense enough that I could make it hold this shape?
Is there a faster alternative that will still look good?
>>10956936Wigs are always shitty, you need to learn how to spice them up.
If your doing a custom hairline, use FossShape, otherwise get a decent quality wig, a faux head, and a fuckton of hair spray, mousse, hair iron, and a comb to shape it how you want.
>>10956977Long as the "wizard game of chance" isn't russian roulette and you follow the rules you'll be find.
Please tell me about your experiences with gray hair dye and which one you used
>>10955312hiii do you have a sewing pattern and/or more pics. for inspiration and research.
>>10956531how the fuck is it possible to put all this effort and money into getting a cosplay together but you can't be bothered to shave your arms?
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>>10957184I polished this a bit more
As for patterns, I don't have any, I really did just eyeball this.
Want to cosplay Kamina but not sure what to get. Doesn't have to be perfect.
I'm thinking either flared yoga pants or Thai fisherman pants. Bandages from CVS. Kamina glasses from Anime glasses from animeeyewear.com.
Not sure how to get the tats or cape at all.