New kaigai idol thread because the old one was archived.

Do you think Nonsweet will still be successful as a group of 3? Who’s your favorite idol/group right now?

who gives a fuck

Great start lol

i hope AX allows people to bring their shitty monopods so people could block the view

New here. Do curses like the 6 member curse exist for kaigai idols?

>>10955799 (OP)
I liked Miu and Emily a lot as members, but after reflecting on it, their graduation didn’t come as a huge surprise.

Emily had openly expressed frustration with her appearance in past vlogs. I remember the Disneyland vlog where she seemed surprised to receive a birthday cake after eating corn dogs—it felt like a glimpse into her internal conflict. Being the only white member, tall, and though slim, still with a different frame than the others, she may have felt out of place over time. I also get the sense she might be in her 30s now, and perhaps felt it was the right time to step away from idol life and take a break from the pressure.

As for Miu, she noticeably edits her photos to lighten her skin quite a bit, which stands out given that she’s visibly the darkest in group photos due to her Somali heritage. I imagine that kind of dissonance could take a toll mentally. She seems more drawn to e-girl culture—sharing cute photos, streaming occasionally, maybe dropping a song or dance cover here and there. That space might feel more freeing for her, though I’m not sure how far she’ll go in terms of artistic output.

The remaining three members are definitely more introverted and maybe not as outwardly charismatic as Emily and Miu, but their work ethic shows. I get the impression their choreography is going to level up, especially with the shift in lineup. Emily and Miu had charm, especially vocally—they brought a lot of personality to the brighter, upbeat songs—but they weren’t the strongest dancers for cooler or more complex styles. Now, I think we might see a darker, sharper musical direction that plays to the strengths of the current trio, and I’m excited for that. Also, the new outfits are absolutely on point.

All in all, I’m still supporting non sweet wholeheartedly. I follow Miu online and hope we’ll get a surprise appearance from Emily at an anniversary show someday.

>>10955869
Not really, but I don’t think any kaigai groups have had 6 members to test it with.

>>10955893
Amuse Project have had 6 members for a while now, though I think one of them is on hiatus at the moment

>group is good
>"Staff" is very unprofessional at events
>Inner circle of friends is very noticeable and get special treatment

>>10955934
who?

>>10955934
Say who anon.

>>10955934
idk anon maybe you're just an asshole and that's why people aren't nice to you and you aren't treated as well

Why is it ok for Marmalade to completely rip off a Fruits Zipper costume design? How is Berry not embarrassed to wear it? What the fuck is going on?

shit thread

>>10956119
let's get it nuked again

>>10956115
Honestly, and I hate how it looks on top of that.

>>10956115
Why a Fruit’s Zipper knockoff outfit for a rock seeming song?

>>10956191
what does the original outfit even look like?

>>10956187
The fabric is gorgeous and it looks pretty, but it's so shapeless. I think if Marmalade was able to actually work with Berry irl, do fittings, and tailor it better, it could look more flattering to her frame. Berry is really skinny so the costume just kinda looks like it's swallowing her. But maybe that shapeless look is what she feels comfortable in.

>>10956192

>>10956115
Berry's not embarrassed to wear it because she doesn't know idols well enough to even know her costume is a Fruits Zipper knockoff. She mentioned being a Fruits Zipper fan when Noel first followed her back, but the only J-pop idol she ever posts about or attends any shows for is Tegoshi, who is an idol in her age range with quite a few scandals under his belt.

>>10956194
This is Berry's costume. It's way too similar.

>>10956201
It is literally a color swapped knockoff

>>10956203
Exactly. I don't understand how this happened.
The costume is too much of an exact match for Marmalade to claim ignorance. The head and chest bow details are exactly the same, as are the sleeves, skirt, choker, and lack of leg accessories. The main difference is the ruffles added to Berry's overskirt. I'm assuming Marmalade does not have the proper resources to have chemically pressed the same pleats FZ has in their costumes. The plagiarism is blatant.
Berry also looks stupid here though. Assuming she was receiving progress photos throughout the process, how did she not notice the similarities? FZ is impossible to avoid in idol circles, especially if she's claiming to be working in the industry over there. FZ is constantly on ads, every song they make goes viral, and Berry is even mutuals with Noel. So was she not paying attention? Or was she aware of the plagiarism and is just fine with it? If she didn't know until Marmalade sent her the costume, the option to not wear the costume at all was always there. What a mess.

>>10956212
We’ll see how much longer Noel and her are mutuals.

>>10956193
Marmalade never makes costumes that fit people well. Usually someone else tailors them to the idols size

>>10956199
>>10956212
Sorry, should’ve been more clear. Marmalade mentioned in the post description that it’s “heavily inspired” by Fruits Zipper. So they know damn well what they’re doing. That’s why I find it so egregious. Berry may have even requested this. I guess maybe they think it’s fine if they say “heavily inspired”. Why bother getting an “original” costume made just for it to be a copy?

>>10956194
Such a knockoff. Has anyone emailed Fake Star?

>>10956226
What does Fake Star have to do with anything? They don't manage Berry. Berry's old manager Kristine quit and now it's her and her boyfriend doing everything themselves.

yall realize that idols are the ones who tell the costume maker to make the outfit. if theres anyone to point the finger at its Berry.

>>10956194
Hm this is a really specific design to copy. I wonder what was the thought process? A lot of idol costumes these days look like same with the same poofy sleeves, tiered layers, frills, resembling sissy dresses kek. It would be different if berry was known to be a number one fruits zipper fan and bluntly said she wanted her own version because she loves them so much.

>>10956283
Marmalade designs costumes though. I think she works with idols in creating the designs.

I think what this situation shows is that Berry doesn't really have much of a creative identity. I mean, even with her color scheme. She's supposed to be Berry short for "strawberry" right? But the pink and blue color combo is very trix yogurt blue raspberry. It just doesn't make much sense.

This is also reflected in her music.

Her debut single was a good start, you can tell her Love Live influence, but the second single? It's so hard to follow and enjoy listening to because of the arrangement. She also doesn't really talk much about what the song is actually about nor does she make English lyrics available?

From the snippets I saw of the third single, it seems fine? But hard to really tell what direction she's going in.

And that's probably fine because she's just an idol, with some online virality. She's not trying to be the next mozart. I just say all this because if I had her social media numbers, I would be making much smarter moves and have better creative direction.

Idols like Paida, Phoebe, and even Melancholiaah, prior to retirement, are great examples of people with strong creative identity. Berry probably feels like an impostor in comparison to them.

As a fan of Kagai idols, I don't give a fuck if she rips them off or is inspired by them.
Most of you idols wear the same shit all the time or just cosplay. You bitches should be trying to get better instead of trying to bring someone down

All she has is her controversy. So many other idols would do a lot better with her popularity. Also she’s still tone deaf.

>>10956312
I'm so sorry, anon. I forgot that art theft is okay if it's Berry and Marmalade who were doing it. I'll be sure to do better next time.
>>10956296
Exactly this. She doesn't seem to have a cohesive theme or style aside from pink and blue. I'm not even sure she knows what the second single is about. Every time I've seen her perform it, it's been lipsynced over the normal track. I think what she does is lipsync but leave the microphone on so she can add in her crowdwork. But that's beside the point. I agree that she needs to pick a stronger creative direction. Even if it was making everything fruit-themed, that would at least be something.
>>10956340
Every time the money runs low she posts about her endless hate comments. You could set a monthly calendar by the way she brings up the haters and her mental health around the time rent is due.

>>10956369
Agreed, other kaigai idols have a strong theme that makes them unique. Berry is just “pity me”

I was there for Thursday. Cherie ife had 1 song and it was still better than Berrys setlist. Strong vocals, cute expressions, and more crowd interaction

>>10956387
Another example of someone who has great creative direction. It's really refreshing how seriously she takes her work and she doesn't play dumb.

I also noticed something: there's a big difference between idols who say they became idols because they love idols and idols who became idols because of other reasons.

>>10956387
wait, she only performed one song? How much time did everyone get?

>>10956399
It varied. Berry had a few more songs than Cherie but I wish it had been reversed. a case of internet infamy vs actual talent

>>10956401
I hope it was by personal choice and not the event giving people a certain amount of time based on social media numbers. But it would be weird to go all the way to LA just to perform one song.

>>10956407
lol she has way too many original songs she couldve done. highly doubt it was by choice

>>10956407
I doubt it was personal choice. She seems to be performing longer setlists in Japan all the time.
>>10956398
Agreed to all of this. Her music's sound is very consistent and unique too. When you hear it, you know it's her.

>>10956411
Reminds me of when Alexis was at Holiday Matsuri's idol fest and they let her only do one song. Still bewilders me.

Didn't really much care for the event due to what i thought it was going to be a small event that was over shadowed by other AX events.
The even prioritized Aonyan, Yurimaru, and SAY-LA,
event was at the same spot where they do the maid cafe
Thursday event was meh
Friday was better and sold out due to people not working
Saturday same as Friday.
>ALA is the best but its only one night
>Anime Impulse is the best due to it being like the local idol shows
>AX Chibi was the same as OC Japan Fair (outdoor free stage)
>Anime Pasadena/Riverside has like 2 idols performing each day and other radom shit in their stages
All of these are free too

>>10956419
I was wondering why that stage was just a white backdrop. No proper lighting for an idol event bringing in j-idols is kinda weird like the con just didn't have the space or didn't care.

>>10956420
the white drapes were covering the giant Maid Cafe backdrop
like i said this scene is still very small and is still getting overshadowed by other events

>>10956399
Cherie performs longer setlists in Chicago. I’m sure it was a popularity thing

There were way more deserving people that should have performed at AX this year... the selection was strange... outside of the usual Japanese guests and Cherie. Who else would you rather have had seen or deserved to be at AX's idol showcase? Do you think the people that were invited deserved to be there?

>>10956439
Pan Ranger, FLARE, Vivariia maybe.

>>10956442
out of all the idols, that's your top three eh

>>10956439
I think it's fine what they had because the event got a lot of backlash on twitter from supposed idol fans. So even if they did reach out to more people, those idols might feel like it would be too controversial to join the show.

I suspect the reason why the show even happened to begin with was because the show organizers are just big fans of those Japanese idols and wanted to use the con as a way to bring them over. AX was like uhh sure I guess whatever go do it in the maid cafe room and make sure we make money from this, hence the monetary things that people complained about online.

I'm starting to see a new growing amount of kagai idols that heavily filter their faces online and try to restrict their photos or videos that other people post of them

>>10956453
> think it's fine what they had because the event got a lot of backlash on twitter from supposed idol fans
The most famous Aonyan fan didnt even end up showing herself to the event. All that bitching about pricing and to not even show up to support the performers. The rest of the Aonyan fans from Idol Jam ended up showing, they were more behaved than last time.

>I suspect the reason why the show even happened to begin with was because the show organizers are just big fans of those Japanese idols and wanted to use the con as a way to bring them over. AX was like uhh sure I guess whatever go do it in the maid cafe room and make sure we make money from this, hence the monetary things that people complained about online.
i think this is 100% the case.

Even the Kpop japanese group Cosmosy ended up showing at AX

>>10956442
I do wonder if Vivariia will ever do a con outside of the Midwest. I’d really like to see them sometime.

>>10956476
No one knows who they are in California. Their experience is low and performance needs work. They should just try to build their fanbase locally first before they try performing at a large scale like AX.

I truly can’t believe Berry is still lipsyncing and at AX.

>>10956499
At this it’s not even surprising. All these cons ever gobble up is a lip syncing chick who constantly brings up her online bullying on TikTok or Instagram as a way to pay for her jirei kei outfits or other useless goods.

>>10956499
so many idol fests encourage lip syncing. I think Berry should be singing live, but I can't blame the kaigai idol community at large not having a problem with it when people still thinking doing dance covers in a devil inspired outfit makes you a kaigai idol.

Anyone know if Anime Impulse OC will be having any idols?

>>10956476
Vivariia, people notice your self-posts. It draws more negative attention to you than anything.

>>10956513
I just learned about this group through here and I usually dislike character groups, but I see potential in them.

The heavy love live influence, in a bad way, is too obvious, as per usual with cosplay wig wearing groups.

We can categorize kaigai idols in two parks: character idols and uhh "real" idols.

The former almost always comes across as cheesy and larp-y. Usually people who have a musical theater background or don't listen to J-pop outside of idol anime music end up in this camp. White people mostly choose this route, for some reason. They see being an idol as a cosplay-adjacent thing and not a music culture thing.

Nothing really WRONG with that ig

>>10956509 Not sure, hope there are since they tend to have a lot at Impulse LA. But I did hear that an idol group got invited after applying to Anime Impulse OC this year and then they "uninvited them" due to "scheduling issues".

i can put idols in three categories
1. Already popular and will support other idols in the same venue (due to having a busy schedule or other reasons)
2. Will only support their friend group and already have connections to con idol shows (Old Guard/Most work for Dreamland Maid Cafe)
3. Idols that will go out of their way to support other idols big or small. Usually these are really fucking talented and love the scene but aren't popular yet

>>10956503 Other than Non-Sweet, are there any kaigai idols that even sing and fully dance live without a backtrack?

>>10956544
examples of each?

>>10956546
>>10956503
I've seen two local "Idol Fests" now that have zero access to a live mic among other issues. Actively trying to perform live vocals is genuinely difficult. I wonder if they allow you bringing your own equipment.

>>10956547
irodori idols for the second one.

>>10956547
1) Phoebe
2) Irodori AND SuperMelody
3) literally anybody that you rarely hear, like Knife Pleat or Oyasumimi or anybody really that barely appears on invited lists.

These are only just a few of each example, since I’m sure there’s definitely more.

>>10956598
Is there any Cali based idols that aren’t super stuck up?

>>10956546
A backtrack is really important to have as long as the volume isn't so high that we can't hear the live vocals. That extra padding helps if the person has a weak mic or if the stage lacks monitors and it's hard for the idol to hear themselves. Plus if an idol is dancing, that gives them extra chances to catch their breath so you can get the best of both worlds: live vocals without choreo compromised.

>>10956547
1.Moe Age, some members take video from the crowd and praise the idol who is performing.

2. Irodori Idols/SuperMelody
One Prime example i can give is Anime Night Mart March 15th
>Super Melody Performs right before Hamu Cottton
>During Hamu's performance SM goes upstairs and would occasionally wave at the crowd during Hamu's performances

3. Shoyun
She performed at Night 2 of AX
her stories on IG show her going to the Knife Pleat event and Night 3 of AX idol show.

>>10956602
I would say most of them, Irodori Idols and their stuck up friends/fans are old guards who have dominated the scene for a while. The footage that Irodori Idols use come from friends who set up those huge tripods in the front and the audio they use are studio versions of songs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsKRGISpS3U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ei0SVkOTsdg

Shit looks terrible

>>10956606
>shit looks terrible

this looks like any run of the mill love live dance cover group. for the love of god stop calling them idols. they don't even belong in this conversation.

>>10956544
a list like this just shows how badly most non-asians misinterpret what idol culture is. its common courtesy to show enthusiasm for fellow idols during concerts like with any entertainment job, but ranking groups based on how much they do this???? way to make it obvious this is a hobby you picked up from anime
real idols work hard, dont lipsync even if theyre dancing,dont wear cosplay unless its a special event, take special care of their image with makeup, surgery, diets, whatever, and generally do not associate with anime.their job is to pander to whatever fan base they have, usually old dudes, and gain fame through that. nothing more.other idols should not be their target audience

>>10956626
Thank you. It's so hilarious how people think that an idol is a good idol depending on whether or not they are supportive of the kaigai idol community. Some idols, usually those who started from cosplay, will actually not support a talented idol because they don't participate in the community circle jerk.

I think the problem is that in a lot of these communities across the U.S., for example since that's where I live, a lot of other idol fans are people who consider themselves idols too or are trying to be idols. It's really hard to gain followers beyond that group of people when it comes to conventions so I really commend the idols who try to break out of that circle.

>>10956626
Hey dumbass, American idols usually appeal to an anime aesthetic because there’s no opportunities for them to perform outside of anime cons here, or they’re just doing what they want to do. Who fucking cares if they perform as themselves or a persona, they’re mostly doing it for fun.
And don’t say “But there’s Idol Jam” not every idol lives in LA dipshit

>>10956628
there are plenty of opportunities outside LA…..it just depends on how badly they want it.the idols currently gaining traction have enough talent to book or host standalone gigs, and if there isnt anything in their state,they travel by not wasting money on cosplay lol isnt it obvious?
none of these so called cosplay idols, even hamu, will ever achieve anything big outside an already oversaturated market because they have no identity outside of anime. doomed to cons for all of eternity because they dont have the discipline idols have in japan or korea

>>10956626
>but ranking groups based on how much they do this
Not a rank but a category.

>real idols work hard, take special care of their image with makeup, surgery, diets,
I would say about 90% of these kagai idols don't do any of these things and the ones that do are in the first or third category because they know how hard you have to work.

The scene is still small, the biggest kaigai idol Hamu performs Infront of Ice Cream Shops and abandoned Shopping Malls. If you don't see other idols spreading the word and support other Idols then i would say there is something wrong with you.

>>10956628
woah defensive much

I'm not that anon, but there are ways to perform outside of anime conventions: local music festivals, asian cultural festivals, open mic nights, creating a small underground show. it's possible, but only if you are an actual singer who has a unique image that isn't based on a licensed character, and you aren't cringe.

>"they're mostly doing it for fun"
see that's the cancer in this community.

People can do things for fun all they want, but some people really want to be a real artist, even at a micro local scale. when you say it's "just for fun" that's just a lazy way to deflect criticism.

and what even are "anime aesthetics" anyway? just say cosplay

>>10956627
>an idol is a good idol depending on whether or not they are supportive of the kaigai idol community
the good ones are usually the ones that support other idols.
The shit tier circle jerk idols are usually the bad ones that only support their friends and give no recognition to other idols that barely have a following because they are tryng to gatekeep the scene.

>>10956630
Hamu is the biggest kaigai idol?

Since Hamu is Japanese, I see her more as an actual Japanese idol, or at least Japanese-American idol. For the most popular kaigai idols, I would say Berry and Paida are up there. Their names are big enough for events to use them as a way to draw in a crowd. It might not be a huge crowd, but their names do have pull. Paida's Future Town almost has 900k plays on spotify. I know mentioning her might have people criticize her appearance given the conversation topic, but I think her appearance is what makes certain fans really like her, so it doesn't necessarily hinder her.

>>10956630
hamu is a pedo-baiting cosplayer that dances, not an idol.its becoming more and more obvious that americas version of idol has completely diverted away from japans true idol scene.god this shit is lame.i cant wait for the trend to finally die so we dont have to sit through so many glorified con masquerades and can actually experience real idol concerts like Australias scene

>>10956633
I would say shes Kaigai because she mostly performs here.
Either way the whole point of is that the biggest idols (lets say Berry) still perform in very small venues or local conventions
IIRC Berry performed outside an outdoor mall last month

>>10956632
you guys are going to have to get over this because if somebody is treating this like a job,they have no obligation to promote other idols. their label or whatever company theyre with might even tell them its not allowed or they can only do preapproved promos.
judging from this thread, ppl really do just see it as a hobby and know nothing about the true idol industry. this scene sucks lol

>>10956634
>.i cant wait for the trend to finally die so we dont have to sit through so many glorified con masquerades
I'm on the opposite end, i want this trend to expand because they are a lot more talented people in the US who think kaigai idols are just cosplayers who dance.
I really want the Old Guard to fuck off.
I am always excited when new names are in the roster

>>10956635
Another thing to consider is that in the U.S. there just aren't a lot of places for musicians to perform in general. How many of you all have checked out a non-idol music show locally? Do you know where to go? Rent is expensive and many venues across the country closed since covid.

But Berry did actually perform at the House of Blues. That's wild. Paida's performances with Fake Star a couple years ago looked legit too. She was on a show with Demon Dice and the venue looked cool. It would be a lot better ot have this discussion if her lives were archived easier.

I’d rather see a cosplayer dance at an idol fest than a V tuber on a TV screen who isn’t even dancing themselves

>>10956636
The biggest idol scene (south korea) have other idols promoting other idols either through Tik Toks or watching eachother in live televised shows
its part of their image. which is about 50% of what an idol is

>>10956636
oof anon you're working under the assumption that idols are under labels over here

kek

>>10956638
>But Berry did actually perform at the House of Blues. That's wild
Thats a big achievement ill give her but even the biggest kaigai idol still has to perform in small/local free venues

>>10956634
If the trend dies, it will never become what the Australian scene has because hey guess what, they started from cosplay too. Amuse was originally a cosplay group.

The thing is, they evolved. We need people to get interested and stay interested in idols of any shape or form for this to grow, but people need to evolve and event organizers need to have high standards and not waiver. events set the tone for the scene, but people are scared to be leaders.

>>10956640
their company preapproves these collabs
if anything is being done on a pro basis, everything is done to make money and uphold a certain image
i feel like there are children in this thread lmao

>>10956641
ya know we could have idols that get to this point if the bar wasnt so low here
the point still stands tho.

>>10956636
>their label or whatever company theyre with might even tell them its not allowed or they can only do preapproved promos.
LMAO

>>10956639
yeah, vtubers should fuck off the most

>>10956634
also... many japanese idols are pedo-baiters too like please be serious.

idol groups that have a youngest member who is underaged will definitely have her be the most popular member among wota

>>10956644
>if anything is being done on a pro basis, everything is done to make money and uphold a certain image
thats the whole point, other idols here should support other idols because its only nothing but positive unless you are a shit tier idol who is afraid of more talented idols outshining you

>>10956643
western ppl just need to actually do their research to better understand idol shit outside of love live and all that garbage. then theyd know its basically sex work with music and we could weed out all the weebs

>>10956644
many musicians will say that signing to a label is not important these days because once you sign to a label, you are basically losing ownership to your music and in debt to them for like, ever.

the true measure of "success" for these idols would be if they can just release music regularly, perform gigs regularly, and have a steady fanbase.

because even in Japan, there are very talented idols who may never reach a major label. There's Heidi and Gumi in Japan and while they are in official Japanese idol groups, they aren't in a company really and they both aren't signed to a label. Their music is released independently.

>>10956648
you're not wrong, but there is still a music culture aspect to it and call me naive but I still believe that is the biggest part of it. Yes, there are idols who really milk the parasocial relationship, but that's a certain type of idol, albeit a very financially successful idol lol.

>>10956648
>we could weed out all the weebs
kek good luck on doing that when weebs are already the majority of the fanbase and they are snobby as fuck

>>10956647
im sorry i dont want to see more legit, beautiful idols like heidi, cherie, gumi, berry, etc standing next to fat chicks in cosplay wigs.call me elitist but theyd get made fun of in japan too kek

>>10956640
ok so you are definitely a child

>the biggest idol scene
you mean one of the largest industries
a "scene" is a community typically at a local scale.

also 50% of what an idol is is probably training for 12 hours a day while your starving. the whole tiktok thing is just 10% of their busy schedules.

>>10956646
yet hamu is still just a cosplayer.not an idol.do your research

>>10956654
she literally sings live and has released an official song. she doesn't even wear a wig.
do YOUR research dumbass

>>10956653
>also 50% of what an idol is is probably training for 12 hours a day while your starving.
in order to maintain their image in terms of looks, yes

>>10956656
well, they're not training just for looks, they also have insane choreography and formations. and plus, their looks are largely due to being under the knife or getting injections of various sorts like fat dissolving injections, botox, filler, so on

>>10956655
no amount of spewing random facts is going to change the fact that shes not an idol.also I predict shes going to fall off from the scene in a few years tops.would be willing to bet money on it.that goes for a lot of these other groups too

>>10956657
>they also have insane choreography and formations
so they their performance looks good and they are able to maintain that idol image.

>>10956659
these facts aren't random, they are just facts lmao. she's an idol, you just don't like her, and that's fine.

>>10956661
gotta love weebs

>>10956657
many idols in Japan can be seen in plastic surgery clinic ads, even boy groups.sometimes you see them at some sort of cute tea party with cake and cookies, but theyre not eating it.
its fucked up but this is the dedication necessary to be a real idol

>Support new and talented idols.
>Weed out the talentless Old Guard and their friends who are preventing this scene from growing and flourishing

>>10956662
eh nah, you don't need to be a bug-eyed anorexic idol to be a real idol. you just sound like a braindead weeabo who can't think for yourself.

A good idol is someone who puts their all into what they do. They have pure intentions with their goals. They want to reach a dream, and they're allowing the audience to join them on the journey. They make the audience feel like they belong together.

Even Japan might have lost the true meaning of being an idol at this point if all they care about is looks.

> Idol: a person or thing that is greatly admired, loved, or revered.

>>10956664
this is naive and why the scene wont grow.good luck viveria, or whoever you are

>>10956666
Not saying looks don't matter but looks can't be the only thing that makes people like an idol.

If you think the community needs to become bug eyed anorexics for the scene to evolve, then you don't want the scene to actually evolve. True evolution can't happen if people are mentally and physically unwell for the sake of aesthetics.

>>10956667
yet thats how the entire idol market across the globe is run.with great success
again, its clear this is seen as a hobby in America.just got to let reality do the talking.the ones that make it and achieve their dreams wont be overweight or in cosplay

You need looks and or talent. even the japanese idols from the 80s were beautiful and sung well

a lot of companies these day try to recruit for personality because you can train someone to sing and you can change their physical looks but you can't change their personality.

>>10956659
I’m with you on this. One day she’ll become irrelevant and forgotten even if things die down in terms of hype. We don’t need a chick who danced in character cosplay to a song about loli stuff in this scene. At this point, I’m tired of seeing her get more traction for this kind of stuff.

>>10956670
now ur just making shit up
are you under 18? pop music doesnt do personalities hires hahahaha

>>10956668
Anon, there is no idol industry in America. And don't tell me "if people weren't fat fucks there would be one"

The closest thing we have are the pop idols like britney spears and nsync back in the day. modern examples close enough could almost be child stars who becamd singers like ariana grande and olivia rodrigo.

you can't hold american idols to the same standards and opportunities as japanese idols and other asian idol industries because the landscape and demographics are completely different.

for idol to work in america, it will have to be americanized in some way through american beauty standards and ways of marketing.

people CAN'T have this as more than a hobby unless they are making bank on social media. this community is basically building itself from the ground up. yes, it'll take higher standards to evolve the community but like, you need to be actually realistic.

>>10956672
>now ur just making shit up
nope.
if youre a CEO youre and your going to invest millions of dollars into a group youre going to make sure their personality is going to be good because
>You can hire a vocal/dance coach
>you can pay for PS for their looks

>>10956671
her whole act is gross and quite frankly boring.its a quick road to onlyfans or titty streaming once the idol hype dies down here

>>10956674
you're right. that's why underaged idols are preferred because they can be molded and groomed easier.

>>10956676
yep and if that child has an awful personality then theres a good chance your investment is going to the gutter because personality is the thing you cant train or fix

>>10956673
yet Katseye with non-Korean members is doing the kpop thing just fine.
youre making excuses as to why they cant succeed in emulating the original concept of idol. whats stopping them?
i already know the answer but kek

>>10956677
>>10956674
they need to do age checks on here kek

>>10956678
Katseye also cuss, show their ass cheeks, are openly bisexual and have members who aren't pale, which all go against typical idol standards. They are not emulating the original concept of idol and in fact are very similar to the girl groups of the 00s, just with tighter choreo.

You bringing them up is a perfect example of how idol needs to become a bit americanized for it to work in america. plus, kpop was built on copying american style anyway so this all just feels like talking in a circle.

Would Arcane Maid Cafe ever do an idol group? A lot of their former maids are idols

>>10956681
fuck off maids are not idols

>>10956680
and none of them are fat

>>10956682
What are you the Idol police?
Berry is a maid for Dreamland

>>10956684
and berry is just another white girl with only a vague concept of how idol culture works,confined to silly anime events because you all wont hold these girls to a higher standard.next?

>>10956686
Who are you top 5 idols?

>Berry gets brought up negatively.
>Suddenly Hamu starts being talked about.
>Everyone who has ever spoken to Berry as a colleague knows how much she hates Hamu.
I'd say she sent an army, but I'm not sure she has any friends left.

>>10956690
>>Everyone who has ever spoken to Berry as a colleague knows how much she hates Hamu.
What's the lore?

>>10956664
> A good idol is someone who puts their all into what they do. They have pure intentions with their goals. They want to reach a dream, and they're allowing the audience to join them on the journey. They make the audience feel like they belong together.

This is crazy. Tell me all your knowledge of idols is Love Live/anime without telling me all your knowledge of idols is Love Live/anime. I respect how you think it's all wholesome, and Western idols definitely all have a massive passion for it since it's impossible to make real money or fame with it, but this is painfully naive. Thanks, Vivariia.

The threads always suck because its always back and forth and stupidity like this. I understand gatekeeping but some of this is silly. Berry is an idol, Hamu is an idol. If you think someone's not deserving of their platform or title just ignore them. All publicity is good publicity.

There are a lot of talented people who are better fit to be idols than most of the current crop who are gatekeeping the scene and don't try to improve

>>10956699
What I find hilarious about Hamu though is she always strayed from calling herself an idol. She purposefully avoided it in the beginning. It's not until recently she finally started accepting the title as if being an idol in her eyes was a bad thing before.

>>10956700
Gatekeeping is the stupidest shit I’ve ever heard of. Non Sweet is effectively gatekept out of their own local anime community (not appearing at the largest local con for years in a row, being left out of a large taiban with most other local groups) yet do you see them stopping? No obviously not. Because there are ways to be successful outside of anime spaces, just like previous replies have explained.
Go to your local music festivals, cultural events or street parties. Host your own show, even if it’s small and barely attended. Cultivate a community online through social media. Or maybe understand you’re being kept out because you suck. And even then, that’s something you can improve.


Let’s steer the thread in a more productive direction. What’s the best idol merch you can buy? I always prefer cheki and unique products I can’t find elsewhere. (I’m tired of tshirts and keychains, give me something other people aren’t selling even if it’s a bit out there)

>>10956699
they would both be considered idols in japan lmao

>>10956698
you would be gagged to know who you've been talking to this entire time

>>10956703
I didn't know non sweet had problems like this. Any more details?

I often notice kaigai idols who dont cosplay or dont join the community circlejerk get excluded from con idol fests.

>>10956711
Hi, Vivariia!

>>10956703
Probably lightstick decor, like bows or anything like that. I want to decorate my wota gear to fit with whoever I’m watching.

>>10956713
You wish.

enough of this nonsense, where are the coomables

>>10956716
you think youre the shit? girl youre not even the fart

pretending to be a big deal on here.... someone thinks theyre the main character.

>>10956713
Genuinely, I'm not them and you assuming it's them so hardcore means you have a really weird dislike towards them. Like mentioned before, they're not the best but they have some potential and the hate is unwarranted unless you just have some kind of vendetta against them. It's 4chan though, so shouldn't be surprised lol.

>>10956722
>reeeee they're flawless I'm le witenite
I advice you to commit suicide

>>10956723
I'm not saying they're flawless. I'm the same person who said they look larp-y.

>>10956712
This. As soon as I went indie and covered my own stuff all of my opportunities shrank to almost nothing. Idol fests in general are still engineered more towards giant groups of cosplayers and even exclude original acts. It's seriously frustrating seeing fests with guidelines specifically made to cater to either the hosts' groups or stifle soloists or original idols.

>>10956712
I’ve been wondering myself too. When Non Sweet hosted Kaigai idol pride, lots of the groups appearing at this new taiban performed there as well so if anyone has deets let me know.

I remember them citing tech issues as to why they couldn’t do AR. That seems ridiculous, they’re a large con at a professional venue. I don’t know man. At least they’ve announced shows again. I hope they announce something local soon.

>>10956714
I have a hard time decorating light sticks because I haven’t found a secure easy way to take charms on and off. I don’t like when they smash against my hand and the stick. I agree tho. I would love everything in my oshi’s colour please.

>>10956729
I kind of get it because conventions are made to celebrate fandom, so cosplayers represent series that people are fans of.

but it's so ironic that an idol fest wouldn't want an actual idol lol. someone who wants to do this for real and not dress up.

>>10956730
Maybe non sweet knows their worth and doesn't want to do events unless there is financial gain. Those new costumes don't look cheap plus they needed to re-record all of their songs again as a trio.

>>10956711
>you would be gagged to know who you've been talking to this entire time
i shit you not i would not give a fuck who you are

>>10956735
I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al Quaeda.

>>10956736
Good for you anon what are your thoughts about idols who don't sing and only dance?

Forgot to mention that Mikotan was shilling his Idol Show at AX

>>10956737
they aren't idols. they are dance coverists/odorite

someone at AX was handing out Moe Age! stickers, a long time supporter of Asayoru was acting snobby trying to hide the location of who was passing them out. Glad i was able to get one from staff

Is there a list of idols performing in Otakon 2025?

>>10956739
Are you part of Idol Home or another organization like that?

what are we thinking about the chubu online lineup? i like the concept of the different categories but some of the groups dont look very exciting.

The lineup doesn't look bad but I'm not a big fan of online showcases since too many participants there only dance and then call themselves idols. Some of the soloists there are good but I just know that the majority of the others will only dance, mediocre at that. If you choose to only dance, then call yourself an odorite or odottemita idol whatever. I sometimes get the feeling some people only call themselves an idol for the title and not because they are actually idols through and through.

>>10956952
you're correct. some dancers even admit that they want more opportunities to perform, so they call themselves "idols."

I think the way we can fix this problem is if events call themselves idol fests and actually only include idols on the lineup. The standalone shows typically do a good job at that. But the problem will still continue if CONS do idol fests and let anyone on, whether they sing a completely non-idol song in english or dance to k-pop wearing cosplay that isn't even from an idol anime.

event organizers need to be strict, if they care. everyone is too nice. but even if they are strict, they get called a bitch.

>>10956953
Cons primarily want the maximum amount of visitors so they cater to cosplayers and anime fans, which obviously means the performance opportunities (even if they call it an idol show) will get infiltrated by said cosplayers. The kaigai idol scene is still very niche, especially if you look at most other countries. But for the love of god, if you invite fat wig-wearing Love Live dance coverists to the stage, call it a cosplay masquerade or whatnot. This tryhard "we need to be exclusive! Everyone can be an idol! >.<" attitude (which mostly stems from said cosplayers and their loud friend supporter friend group) is the reason why the kaigai idol community is not growing as much as it should. It's unfortunate and I hope those "cosplay idols" will get sorted out from the scene sooner or later because they frankly do not bring value and it is just the same old soup they bring to the stage. Let's not talk about how many groups cannot dance well to begin with but tend to take the spotlight in these shows for SOME reason. They are one of the reasons why so many talented ace soloists get little to no spotlight.

Stop the inclusivity and start being an elitist for the love of this kaigai idol community.

>>10956955
You're right. quality control has been an issue for AGES. and maybe the real solution is that cons should stop calling it an idol fest and just call it like, J-pop festival. At least then it'll make more sense. It doesn't specify what the performer is, but that the focus is J-pop.

but I also think you need to stop being so negative. the kaigai idol community IS growing. you know how much more idols are releasing not just one original song, but multiple singles and EPs now? yeah, the qualityt isn't the best, but how long have you been around? personally, I've been monitoring this community since the early 2010s and have seen various idols come around and leave, but it was even more niche and unknown than it is now. I mean, heck, we complain about idol fests but pre-2020 it was very rare for cons to have idol fests. holiday matsuri in florida was the only convention to have an idol fest before covid era.

let's keep high standards and be patient, as painful as it is lmfao

it really depends on the organizers
A
>some of them see it all as Anime/Jpop
>they would invite dancing cosplayers and kaigai idols
B
>some of them love jpop and idols
>they would invite only kaigai idols

Anime Conventions are dominated by dancing cosplayers unless they get someone from category B to organize the idolfest (AX, AX Chibi, Anime Impulse Pomona).

If they don't hire someone from Category B then its stuff like holiday matsuri where 75% of the performers are dancing cosplayer.

Forgot to mention that organizers are starting to invite VTubers because its easier for them to make a profit, easier to push the Play button, and have "one more idol" to perform.
Looking at U.S. idolfest

>>10956967
i get yall hate cosplay idols but id rather have a cosplay idol 1000x over a v tuber. at least they actually show up

No one hates Cosplay Idols. They shouldn't be called idols but dancing cosplayers or performers
It's like calling T-Ball players Baseball players

>>10956967
most of staff are moids, of course they love 2d characters they can imagine fucking easier

that's the real reason deep down why people love vtubers. easier for lewd content and hentai

>>10956967
Also wow vtubers getting the prie slot on saturday and flesh idols get shafted to friday

lmfao.

>>10956985
This.

we are annoyed at the misuse of labels. There are some great cosplay performers like re:star who I genuinely like. They're smart enough to not call themselves idols. And it's probably because they have enough talent to feel confident enough to use only the cosplay label but still feel legit.

people keep calling themselves idols because they want to belong without doing the work. it's rooted in insecurity.

how does someone like hamu make money in the US since idol scene is so small

>>10956998
She has pay pigs. Just look at who showed up at her hamufest event only for her campaign backers.

She plays into being a loli and is Japanese. The more those guys pay, the closer they feel they can get to fucking her.

>>10956998
Playing up the loli aesthetic. Instead of just being short like normal idols she makes it where she looks like a child.

>>10956998
Catering to creeps and moids by dressing and acting like a child. Disgusting, but sadly the truth. These people pay so much money just to live their nasty fantasy.

>>10956634
>real idol concerts like Australias scene
most our concerts feel like cosplay showcases with dancing most of the time, there're a small handful of actually good groups and then a bunch of tumblrtards that think they can make themselves more popular by playing pretend

>>10956640
>The biggest idol scene (south korea) have other idols promoting other idols either through Tik Toks or watching eachother in live televised shows
>its part of their image. which is about 50% of what an idol is
SK idol is different to JP idol

>>10956643
>Australian scene has because hey guess what, they started from cosplay too.
Our scene is a mixed bag, for a while we had an idol group composed from maids from Japan which really kicked us off. One half of the community come from cosplay, but the other half come from actual idol and so there's a lot of mixture. It's kind of created our own culture that is slowly becoming eroded due to people trying to control the direction of the scene into a community that has to accept everyone and has to attend all shows even if you're only a fan of like one or two groups. It's pushing people out and collapsing hard.

>>10956662
>many idols in Japan can be seen in plastic surgery clinic ads, even boy groups.sometimes you see them at some sort of cute tea party with cake and cookies, but theyre not eating it.
I don't disagree with what you're saying here, but Japanese girls are simply build different. They eat a lot and still stay thin and I dont even know how they do this.

you americuhs need to stop whining about your idol community. where i'm from, there is no idol community to begin with.

>>10956998 >>10957020 >>10957028

She's also married

>>10957036
no one in this thread could survive a day in latam

>>10956770
I'm glad that Moe Age! wasn't mentioned much in this thread, considering it's a mostly negative and critical one.

The members of Moe Age! work so hard and are genuine idols. Another anon here said that maids can't be idols, but that couldn't be farther from the truth both here and in Japan.
Asayoru has been doing wotagei classes, bringing other maids and idols from Japan to their café, literally carrying their community in the fundamentals of idoling.

The fact that they have a building and host their own shows is a testament to their success as maids and idols.

>>10957039
how do you know and to who

>>10957039
is that why she shills Alvin's photos compared to other photographers?

>>10957043
why would we compare ourselves to something worse? we're obviously gonna compare our communities to something better because we want things to be bigger and better. not settle dor what we have just because it's worse elsewhere

>>10957039
see this is why I respect idols who are open about having a relationship. who cares if you lose fans? at least you're honest.

>>10957045
Moe Age is a good group and Sae has been doing a lot for the community its just all of the BTS drama and rivalry that isnt talked about and shouldnt be talked about

>>10957045
>wotagei
second biggest meme in this scene. even the ones that get invited to perform or have their own ig look like an uncoordinated clusterfuck

>>10957066
They teach fans to wotagei not for performance, but to wotagei for the performers.
If you knew anything about the scene, people usually wotagei for their idols and learn mixes for their idols.
A lot of these people even meet up to practice together. Its for fun and community.

>>10957045
maids are not idols please stop self posting

>>10957068
If you think this way, then you know nothing about idol culture kek

>>10957068
What about at-home maid cafe? They have their own original music and dances. Plus they have performed at idol events as well. Would they be considered idols for performing these things? Not trying to come off as rude, but I’m curious to know.

>>10957068
this conversation is so retarded.

not all maids are idols.

but there can be idol groups with a maid theme. because idol groups can have like any damn theme under the sun.

the moe age girls dont need to self post. they're successful enough and actually make money.

>>10957073
This is a great question.

When it comes to japansse idols, the rule is this: if they call themselves an idol group, they are an idol group.

example: perfume and babymetal don't call themselves idol groups, so they aren't idol groups.

for the maids, they might prefer to be known as maids first before anything else. the music and performances are just more ways to promote the cafe and provide more entertainment at the cafe.

>>10957080
>babymetal don't call themselves idol groups
how did this blatant untruth propagate so hard in the west?

>>10957082
I was about to say, not only are BabyMetal's origins in idol music, but their attire and performance is completely idol. It's just a mixed genre, "kawaii metal".
The group Especia did vaporwave style music, but they were also considered an idol group.
This is the issue with how rigid the people on this thread are; they think that idol is distinctly one look and one sound and are complaining about people who break that very specific criteria, criteria that frankly hasn't even been popular since the 80's.

>>10957082
they started as idols but they don't call themselves an idol group.

part of being an idol is having a connection with the fans like speaking directly to them through social media and sharing glimpses into their personalities and or personal life, even if it's curated or fake. it feels real.

babymetal are a high concept pop metal fusion group with idol roots.

>>10957083
no one is saying any of that. we all know idol can be any genre of music.

idol is a style of connection with fans through performance, music, and gimmicks and so on.

just because you have girls singing and dancing doesnt mean it's idol. as an anon said above, idol is like music with sex work. while i don't see it entirely like that, that IS an implication that comes with being associated with idol and it makes perfect sense why performers wouldn't want to be associated with that.

>>10957085
>part of being an idol is having a connection with the fans like speaking directly to them through social media and sharing glimpses into their personalities and or personal life, even if it's curated or fake

Who told you this?

That's maybe the "Idols you can meet" AKB48-style approach but that's absolutely not a requirement to being considered an idol, that just sounds like a popular approach.

babymetal are idols
-original music
-not cosplaying
-doing legit concerts
maids are not idols because theyre just another type of cosplayers working for a cafe or shitty con. you can deny it all you want, but theres a difference. the only reason anybody is saying otherwise is because theyre selfposting retards clinging to the idea that anybody can be an idol because theyre hungry for the clout that comes with the title
get out of this thread or make a new one
same thing for cosplay idols
love live was a mistake istg

>>10957087
then what makes an idol different from a music artist who doesn't want to be called an idol?

>>10957088
what you just described could be applied to anything from a non-idol girl group to a polka band.

>>10957088
you don't even know how to properly reply to specific comments so not only do you sound retarded but your comments also look extra retarded

>>10957086
Only a gooner would compare idoling and sex work, sorry.
Blatantly misogynistic rhetoric towards an occupation mostly women participate in is not cool.

>>10957090
use context idiot. of course im referring to the difference between a legitimate group like akb48 or iLife and a stupid maid cafe

>>10957092
you may not like it, but that is the reality as to why there are female performers who don't want to be associated with that label.

idol = possession in a way. it is an objectifying type of performance. that's why female idols always have male fans. sure, there are some female idol groups who have female fans or 50/50 fans, but female idols are known to have male fans who are older or just plain incel-ish otaku.

idol is about the person first before the music. you listen to idol music because you like the person singing it first. if you happen to like idol music just as idol music, good for you, but idol is a marketing strategy and music culture based upon a person first before music. that's why musicians and music snobs don't take idol music seriously. doesn't mean that the music needs to suck but just know that is how it works.

>>10957092
you are obviously a child. even the girls in akb48 participated in private dates with their fans for a certain price. most idols can be bought and slept with for enough money.

>>10957095
exactly. it's sad. and I don't like it, but it's true. that's even how the music industry around the world works.

how do music videos get paid? How do tours get funded? how does an artist get their house paid for? business deals done in the bedroom.

and sure, if you're a rich fan, you can get it in. Lisa's billionaire boyfriend was originally her fan. (sorry for the k-pop mention kek)

>>10957093
yeah fuck those maid cafes they should all just kill themselves and you'll be so happy no one else would be having this conversation ever again. hell yeah.

It’s easy to weed out the self-posting anime fans because they have no idea that some of the largest idol groups in Japan were actual paid escorts kek

>>10957094
Idol = someone you want to support.

If there are people who feel ownership over a stranger, they're disgusting.

>>10957095
And that's not okay that idols are being propositioned into going on dates or having sex for money. It's exploitative and I don't blame the idols for their companies not protecting them enough.

>>10957087
also no one told me anything. I'm an idol fan, and this is what I've observed. especially for the chika underground scene of course because these girls need to pull in as much people as possible to survive so they need to keep up the connection as much as possible.

for mainstream acts, of course they don't need to rely so much on that kind of stuff, but they do things like appear on tv shows, branch out and do acting, modeling, or group vlogs and livestreams for fans. that's at least one thing k-pop and j-pop idols have in common.

For a regular artist. they don't really need to do all of that. they can, but typically they just want to be known for their music and let the songs speak for themselves.

>>10957096
wait until they find out a lot of graduated idols move to porn once theyre done with the scene.its fucked up but im tired of this childish view of idol groups.the west has completely bastardized the culture by ignoring the true grit and dedication that comes with it.it isnt anything like love live

>>10957101
Or maybe you're just normalizing something that shouldn't be normal?

>>10957099
stop it.

stop viewing this as a stupid westerner.

if an idol = someone you support then that means baseball players are idols, sumo wrestlers are idols, your favorite weather anchor is an idol.

You can idolize someone. You can view someone as your idol, but they are not アイドル. To understand this, you need to think about what the word means in japanese within japanese culture.

aidoru (becuase I'm too lazy to switch to japanese again) is an amateur performer typically. that's why it's associated with youth. however, things are changing now and because of the underground idol scene pretty much letting anyone become an idol, there are less restrictions on age and appearance. however, age and appearance still plays a role in allowing people to reach mainstream success due to society still having beauty standards and whatnot.

aidoru are known to have a bigger connection with fans than singers or bands (unless they are visual kei bands lol.) because aidoru are known to not be the most talented singers and dancers, that's why they rely heavily on fan connection, because how else are you gonna make money? unfortunately, this can lead to bad situations where idols feel the need to sleep with fans or business people. or sexualize themselves too much and start doing gravure and then eventually end up doing AV for the sake of money after graduating.

>>10957103
tl;dr since you purposefully are misunderstanding me.
I'm speaking within the context of the conversation, I can tell you are too broad and too rigid to talk rationally with.

>>10957102
well thats not very feminist of you lol shouldnt they all have a choice in whether or not they want to do this?
thats where the majority of legit Japanese and Korean idols get their funding from, so youre the one that needs to accept it because its not changing any time soon.
the more we start seeing this as just another part of the music industry and not a hobby,the more the scene will flourish with legit idols. if I have to be the bitchy gatekeeper, so be it

>>10957105
Gross.

>>10957103
same anon replying to my own comment:

THAT is why there are people who don't want to be associated with the idol label.

for the people who do want to be associated with the label, there's nothing wrong with it especially if you are self aware that your personhood and personality comes first before the music. some people can sell this very well without wandering into the dark side of idol, as many western documentaries love to focus on. while it is annoying, it is the truth.

Japan is extremely misogynistic. pretty much everything a woman does it gonna be sexualized. of course male fans are naturally going to objectify girls selling a fantasy to them. society at large over there is not trying to change the minds of everyone involved and the girls are making bank.

sorry for the wall of text

but that is why I have hopes for the kaigai idol community. the community takes inspiration from japan, yeah, but, the idols have ownership over themselves. yeah, they aren't as pretty as japanese idols most of the time, but at least they have control over their own work and are doing this because they want to despite juggling school, work, and not even having a manager or talent agency, or hell, even an industry or environment that realy encourages the growth of this stuff.

>>10957106
perhaps, but its reality. now piss off lol

>>10957104
Okay well then why not just actually explain yourself some more. we're literally all anon here and have no idea who anyone is or what anyone's background knowledge is.

>>10957108
It makes sense a degenerate like you would be trying to make excuses for this shit. Really pitiful and disgusting.
I'm going to support my favorite idols and enjoy the scene like a human being.
Keep being a robot and a loser.

>>10957105
well wait what exactly do you mean by the scene will flouristh more with legit idols

are you saying that if idols start selling their bodies then the scene will flourish? lmao

>>10957110
Child Alert

>>10957110
no one is making excuses. they are just saying that this is what happens and it's annoying that it sounds like you just don't wanna accept it happens. being a fan of idols and knowing this truth doesn't make you a bad person. in fact, the system will be more likely to change the more people know the truth.

>>10957111
Seriously, I want to know what they meant by that, because it's DISGUSTING.

>>10957113
theyre either under 18, purposefully being dumb, or maybe English is their second language lol just ignore it

>>10957115
I've been into idol since 2005, I'm just not a gooner?
People like you are why idols have to post "please don't touch me or taken candid photos"
Just a creep.

>>10957116
actually people who acknowledge the unfortunate truth are the ones who are more willing to call out bs that happens.

the ones who keep wanting to brush it under the rug and not acknowledge the dark side as reality is a reason why the problems still exist.

I'm sure you've been to japan and seen idols live since you've been a fan for so long. you never noticed the vibes?

Ignoring the anon with basic reading comprehension issues, I agree that this is a sometimes very dark world. Japanese and Korean idols are more legitimate because theyre willing to sacrifice more than Western idols. SW aside, these girls arent putting any effort into their performances. Its not even just about skill. They lack charisma. Most of the original songs are forgettable even when they hire a producer. Who am I kidding though? Most of them just do vocaloid covers, throw on an Aliexpress cosplay, and call it a day. If we’re treating this like a part of the music industry, 98% of them wouldn’t make it past the first audition. Heck, they wouldn’t even be called in for a try out in the first place. They dont have the looks or the drive.

In Japan, being an idol is a serious job. We need to catch up.

>>10957117
im still convinced that anon is a child so dont worry kek like you mightve already caught on, im actually very disturbed by the way idols are treated. but that person is retarded and thinks pointing out a fact means supporting it. i just use it to weed out casuals

>>10957117
Nothing I've said in this thread has indicated that I'm not acknowledging the existence of perversion and exploitation in the scene.
I've seen it first hand: stalkers, pedos, parasocial creeps.
I am just disgusted at how some anon are talking about these things as if they are normal in and that being an idol and being sexualized should inherently be connected.
It's my opinion that they shouldn't be.

I'm not denying that these things happen, not in the slightest.

>>10957118
I agree, but I don't see it that bad.

I'm following idols who wear custom costumes, do look relatively pretty, have original songs that are catchy, and they do the best they can with the resources they have while being grown adults.

I think the larger issue is another thing: Japanese music culture is just... better.

People care about going to live shows. fans have better live manners. that's why western artists do special japan releases. the audience there is just really good to idols, musicians, singers, and so on.

america, since that's the country I live in and I'm gonna guess you could be from there too, is just... falling apart.

I want idol to better and I believe it can be, so I just ignore the shitty ones and focus on the few who I really enjoy and personally take inspiration from.

>>10957120
Ok so we are basically all misunderstanding each other and ultimately want pedos and sexual offenders to kill themselves

>>10957120
So you didn’t understand anything anybody said? Because not a single person wrote that idols -should- be associated with sex work. Sweet summer child, the point is that they -are-. Most of them are doing it. You’ll live, I promise. lol

>>10957122
You must be 18+ to post here.

>>10957121
I’m in the same camp as you. The pickings are slim. I can count the number of legitimate idols in the US on my hands. That’s about it. I hope it gets better. It’s kind of refreshing to see other users here finally sick of the nonsense

>>10957124
it should honestly be 25+

>>10957125
Nice.

It also helps to look at things in a tiered system.

You have the few idols with clear creative direction, decent costumes and put effort into their appearance for shows, original music that you personally enjoy.

Then you have the next tier, the coverists. They don't have original music, but they do singing and dancing covers well live. they look all right. You can tell they still put effort into their visuals and branding despite not having original music. you can tell they care. These people help cushion the community. This is the level the original idols with original music started out usually. In time, this tier of idols may level up.

the third tier are those who just dance, but are good and look good. of course they aren't idols, but they dance to j-pop and help keep interest in j-pop alive. this is another cushion to the community.

All three of these tiers of people are important to keeping the scene alive and on track to making original music/original concept idols a more common and respected thing.

Massive 250+ reply thread of a bunch of morons complaining about who is or isn't an idol when the US kaigai idol community at large is still trapped into the context of convention programming is so very cool and helpful AND fun for this community. Please continue to do this instead of making your own programming at venues or doing your own lives. Surely this will further your career and gain you respect as a community of artists.

>>10957128
because you can’t simultaneously do both huh? lol

These conversations need to happen to make it clear the real fans are tired of cosplayers, maids, and other low-effort imposters.Besides, it was only maybe one or two idiots fighting tooth and nail for maids to be included here.lol It’s obvious that those groups are selfposting, so maybe if they see the discussion, they will fuck off or change

>>10957128
to be fair, it's like four of us talking.

and yeah, these are the conversations that help us get out of convention programming.

besides, yo udon't know any of us, so whose to say we aren't event organizers or idols who have performed outside of cons, or attendees who have been to non-convention idol shows?

>>10957130
Stop assuming it's self-posting. the community is big enough for people to have fans who talk about them.

>>10957127
even in the 1st tier, things are kind of meh but im trying to stay positive lol
-paida: not my cup of tea, but she has a distinct concept and decent music. does not fit the beauty standard of japan, so she will only thrive overseas
-berry: fits the beauty standard of japan if only because shes white, concept and performances are lackluster , personality seems awful but shes social media famous
-nonsweet: bland music, fun performances, fits japan beauty standard, very close to the true idea of an idol

who else would fit in this tier?

>>10957130
Asayoru Maid Cafe have a maid based idol group called Moe Age. They sing, dance, and have their own original songs.

That's a lot more than what some people would consider as a Kaigai idol group and I would fight tooth and nail because they are actually a good group.

I would say that maid cafes in general aren't idols but a few idols originated from maid cafes.

>>10957135
No maids please. They are not idols. Read the original replies rules for tier 1.

Jesus Christ maids are cosplayers stop selfposting or go to a maid thread

>>10957134

lmfao. can you think for yourself? why do you care if they meet japanese beauty standards or not? just think for yourself if you think they are pretty or not.

non sweet wouldn't really fit japanese beauty standards. if they were idols in japan full time they would have gotten work done by now. gone are the days of japanese idols looking like girls next door. they are making trips to korea easily.

to add onto the first tier:
aside from berry and paida
phoebe
cherie ife
auracle
charm:affect
chiri girls
aquarius
amai jelli of aquarius

probably others I don't know, but those come to mind who I have followed for a while

>>10957135
idk what is with the moe age hate. maybe they just need to release an original song already to seem more legit.

>>10957136
>>10957137
You two are retarded or autistic

They sing Japanese songs, they dance to Japanese songs, and have their own orginal songs. If this doesn't it make it an idol group then what does?

>>10957138
the japanese beauty standards tell me whether or not theyre potentially viable in japan.if they make it in the country where this whole thing originated, i think they’ve rightfully earned the true idol title lol whether i agree with the standard or not

>>10957136
hey I'm the anon that made that comment and I consider moe age to fit tier one lmao. they have a clear creative direction, nice costumes, good stage performance, and have pretty members lmao

>>10957140
they need to not be working at a maid cafe lmao there you go. it’s as simple as that. can you leave now?

>>10957141
oh ok so you're kinda stupid then.

that would only matter if these idols are trying to make it in japan. if they are trying to gain a following in america. they don't need to fit japanese beauty standards.

for an idol to be successful in america, they can't rely on japanese idols fans. they need to catch the attention of a broad scope of people including people who may have never listened to japanese idol before.

"true idol" doesn't really mean shit. besides, even if it did matter, how many of those idol purists exist in america? yeah not enough to fund the production of a full-length album.

>>10957139
The only bad public bad thing about MoeAge is that they have plants/staff in the crowd hyping them up.
https://youtu.be/wzZZnpj8hPI?si=GD_IydgNeU_3JkR0

>>10957142
Anon do better please.

>>10957143
Nice argument, retard

>>10957143
why can't a person work at a maid cafe and also do idol activities?

You know idol cafes exist as well right? there's barely a difference between a maid cafe and idol cafe. idol cafe doesn't really do the whole oshiku nare magic spell thing, but it's still a cafe nontheless. in fact, it's so smart for an idol to work at a maid cafe because that means more chances to gain fans.

>>10957146
Name your top five kaigai idols please.

>>10957144
you must be the same anon that misunderstood the whole sexwork discussion dear god
im saying that anybody who makes it in japan will automatically get tier 1, not that it’s a requirement. we have to start banning teenagers lol you ppl cant read at all

>>10957145
dude, if that were true, who cares? many people do this. we all know wota and idols are a symbiotic relationship between not just stage performance but crowd performance. it's a smart move.

>>10957138
This list is full of legitimate kaigai idols. Shitty maids and cosplayers, please observe and leave

>>10957150
why are we caring about who makes it in japan when it comes to growing the kaigai idol community in america.

no one has even made it in japan.

You think berry might make it just because she's white but japanese fans want japanese idols when it comes to idols in japan. heidi herself talks about that openly.

>>10957151
It's a scummy tactic using your large staff (free invites to cons) cheer for you and only you while small groups have no one.

>>10957152
>Shitty Maids
we aren't talking about Dreamland Cafe here

>>10957152
moe age vendette confirmed.

>>10957153
and yet girls like Heidi are still undeniably closer to legitimacy than your crappy cafe ever will be so… lol

>>10957155
never heard of them until you self posted. but ill proudly say i have a vendetta against all idol imposters in the west. refer to the tier 1 list the other anon dropped and maybe you could learn a thing or two

>>10957154
I imagine as a performer, seeing that group cheer for another group and then not cheer for me might sting, but... that's just how fanbases work. Same thing happens at idol taibans in japan. the crowd will be huge for one group and the one next would have like 5 people.

it is what it is. it's valid to feel jealous or think they are being sneaky but to me it just seems like something that just makes sense.

>>10957156
I'm not even in a maid cafe. you are so weird for assuming who you are talking to.

sure, heidi is closer to legitimacy in terms of fitting into japanese idol standards, but that's her own dream. not everyone wants to do that and not everyone wants to appeal to the same audience.

Just admit it, you have what you like. just own your own taste in what you like in idols' appearances and stop using japan as a crutch like a weeaboo.

Talking about dreamland cafe in an idol thread
oh brother

>>10957157
I'm the same anon who made the tier list LMAO dude it's the same 5 people talking in here in circles. and moe age was already mentioned in this thread.

>>10957159
what can i say. Sorry(not sorry) for having standards bb

>autistic anon who is hating on the biggest idol group in SoCal (Moe Age) and is setting up a tier list for idol groups
didn't know Mikotan was here

>>10957161
sure lmao

>>10957162
I think you're just a moid, makes sense you also didn't even like any of the music of the idols you listed as tier 1. the idols I listed? I like the music and everything else. you're barely a real fan of this community.

Can we keep maid discussion contained to maid threads?

>>10957164
you just don't want to admit that a person actually knows how to critically analyze this crap also believes the group you have a vendetta against is decent quality.

>>10957163
he doesn't know enough about idols to think up a tier list. he just thinks all girls who dance to j-pop are idols

>>10957167
im the person that came up with the original tier list. are you esl? please stop responding to yourself too please lol

The kaigai idol scene is cooked if nobody is willing to put their foot down and filter out the self-posting groups like Viveria or Moe age. We’re doomed.

>>10957170
thread is cooked if we dont ignore retards like you

>>10957170
the only time I replied to myself was when I said that I was the same anon replying to my own comment

and no, you didn't. you wish you did lol. because look at what a conversation is has started.

>>10957169
oh nevermind I got what you meant.

you created the tier list using berry paida and nonsweet

but I'm the anon who made the structure of the list with the three different tiers, the original concept creator lol

and yeah moe age is tier 1, go kill yourselves if it makes you so sad

vivaria or however you spell it doesn't even lant on the tier list at all. they are not visually good looking enough or interesting enough.

>>10957149
west coast fan. already mentioned paida, berry, and non sweet.australian idols understand how to idol better than us girls, so the rest of my tier is there. just discovered cherie ife at ax so i have to throw her in there too

This is about to be a stretch of a comparison, but imagine if we treated the job of idol the same way we treat any career path? Oh, you want somebody to call you a doctor but you don’t want to put in any of the work to even appear remotely legitimate? That’s okay, because it’s what’s in your heart that counts! kek Or even musical genres. You’re a rock band but you don’t even have a single guitarist? It’s fine! As long as you believe. Categories exist for a reason, folks.

usually the shit tier idols come from the anime scene who get inspired by anime. the good idols get inspired by idols or music

>>10957144
There are now kaigai idols with full length albums, but you would know that if you were paying attention to the right groups.

we need to desperately filter out all cosplayers and cosplay ''idol'' groups, pure odorites with no intention of ever getting into singing, maids who don't have their own idol presence (aka only work as a maid part-time next to their idol career) and those people who only cover love live songs without the intention of ever publishing their own music.

also i am so tired of people naming berry and paida as their only favorite kaigai idols. tell me you don't know shit about the community outside of viral tiktok videos without telling me that. there are far better soloists besides them, but these newbies only know these two names and think they stand at beyonce-level skill. paida has good music and a good voice, but her looks and dance skills are meh. berry is honestly only famous because of her hatewave and because she always milks the same old hater shit for tiktok content and then flies to japan thrice a month with her jirai kei fits funded by the money those videos generate.

>>10957135 >>10957142
The only reason why they are successful is because they have a nepo baby that bought everything for them to be popular. they are industry plants. I'd rather support idols that don't have nepotism as a crutch.

>>10957145
Those plants/staff are their bfs too but they cant make it obvious. imagine being their partner and they cant even hold their hands in public because it would "hurt business" pathetic

Can we just talk about how this ‘idol’ named Freyja needs to find a different outfit for her performances? Like she performed at an event once where children are present and her whole ass is basically sticking out because she chose a skimpy nurse outfit as her idol fit. At least choose something not showing that much skin for your audience at an all age event and then choose your skimpy one for 18+ events. And I’m all for people wearing what they want, but there’s a time and place for certain outfits to be worn. Especially if you’re going to be around kids. I don’t ever see idols wearing stuff THAT skimpy. But it doesn’t belong in a public setting where people don’t consent to seeing your entire ass out.

>>10957188
Lolly or Sae?

>>10957188
Spill the tea anon

Please make a maid thread and move the discussion there.
>>10957193
Isnt this a cosplayer? The cosplay wig and MoeFlavor e-thot getup isnt appropriate for a real idol festival.

>>10957188
That's not what nepotism means.
If someone bought them their base supplies, they likely had to pay it back, thats just called sponsoring or getting a loan.

They absolutely wouldn't be popular if they weren't great performers, too.
You cannot buy talent or skill.

Please do not undermine their hard work and please dont lie.

>>10957183
People like you are why the idol scene here will never thrive. You people are annoying doomers.
You're not even willing to admit that there are different types of idols both here and in Japan and that are considered "legitimate".
Insufferable and miserable.

>>10957224
my sides kek

lets talk about real idols now. like el foxu or whatever.she was hinting at new music but I dont know if its out yet.aden has a new album coming but i wish they would improve their singing

>>10957222
Yeah, she’s a cosplayer. I don’t even know how an idol festival or events can consider her an ‘idol’ at all. The way she goes out for these events in a moeflavor costume that shows her entire ass and wig like that doesn’t make her an idol at all. All she does is dance and show her ass to the world.

>>10957188
industry plants is not the right term. there is no industry.

if she's just a rich kid, just say that.

>>10957228 >>10957188 >>10957188
She's a rich kid that had the means and luxury to not have to work a normal 9 to 5 and pursue her dreams of owning a maid cafe. Other idols like Phoebe and Paida started everything on their own without rich mommy and daddy to fall back on. There's only so much you can do being a self produced idol. Even if moe age works hard, it doesn't change the fact that they had everything like outfits, equipment, a location to perform at every day, staff they can afford to pay for, money to buy huge producers (I can go on and on). All of that made it easy for them to market their "idol group" and have a big fanbase from day one. She has her parents and sponsors from China helping her.

>>10957231
More details please

>>10957231
paida hasn't had to work a real job since she graduated college. she lives with her bf who pays rent

>>10957231
And?
Literally who cares.
Even if this is true, the owner promotes plenty of other musicians and idols. Monthly they have a market with performances from other Kaigai idols, too.
They also support the businesses around Asayoru.
If we're talking about privilege, don't act like they're misusing it or that it's somehow a negative.

Where they got money from initially is also no ones business imo.

>>10957188
>Those plants/staff are their bfs too
they get creepy and over protective in live events, curious to find out who is dating who

>>10957231
just finding shit to complain about.

>>10957225
Like clockwork, when real idols are mentioned, everyone is silent lolll A bunch of anime faggots with no clue what’s going on in the real scene. I’m interested in Aden’s album but you’re right, their singing is amateur

>>10957240
Exactly like if it takes a rich kid to help build the culture here, so be it. asayoru employs others, builds events to spread idol culture, and isn't ran by a pedo moid.

years ago, this is something the community would have begged for.

time and time again when someone does something cool and legit for the community outside of conventions, people come up with ways to tear them down.

>>10957244
nobody cares move it to a maid thread

I wish we could ban cosplayer and maid discussions.

>>10957244
It's good until they use their resources to shut down or interfere with other promos

>>10957248
like who?

>>10957245
you're doing a wonderful job at making me want to continue talking about them.

I've still yet to hear any good argumwnts as to how an idol group with a maid theme with members who work at a maid cafe are not an idol group.

>>10957225
Let's be real aden's music is straight garbage overall

>>10957272
vocals aren't the worse but something is lacking. they sound better live than in recordings imo

the self mixing is what kills their music. if anyone wants their music to be taken seriously, you need good mixing. decent mixing for a couple hundred dollars is worth it.

lyrics are... not terrible, but lack flow. very wordy.

the tristate area is full of idols who are way too confident for their own good. alex pinku is aden's oshi so that should explain some things

>>10957224
where did i even say there are no legitimate idols? you're making shit up just to fire back at me for something that was not even implied. you're either a whiteknight fat wota or offended because you fall into one of the categories i listed. there are lots of great idols all around the world and i don't need to explicitly mention it because it's obvious AND i quite literally said ''there are far better soloists besides them''. do us all a favor and get yourself some glasses.

>>10957277
her mixing is probably still better than maeve de voe's. i still wonder how she gets commissioned for a bazillion songs when her mixing either drowns the vocals or sounds like fx and autotune overload.

>>10957288
i think that other anon lacks reading comprehension

probably an american gen z

>>10957290
eh aden doesn't even do any tuning at all and they still get comms which also blows my mind

>>10957290
I tried to enjoy her cover of Dream With You, but unfortunately I do agree with the shit ton of auto tune. It just drowns out everything. I expected something with less auto tune honestly. It’s just so unpleasant to my ears to hear something that’s very heavy on using filters like that. I know she can do better, but a good start is laying off the heavy auto tune usage.

>>10957293
people be paying for anything nowadays

>>10957296
it's also weird how she classifies everything as her ''original singles'' and never admits that most of the songs she puts out are covers. gives me clickbait vibes.

>>10957306
well yeah. anyone who talks so much about awards and accomplishments is gonna be like that. it's fine to share accomplishments but she uses all those awards and articles about her as a way to justify her hype, when in fact, her music and her work should mainly speak for itself, which it doesn't. the award associations, music charts, and interviews she does all look like they're ran by someone who has no real connections to the industry or anything legit.

her whole brand is giving "I'm a small business owner ceo" but it's just someone involved in multi-level marketing.

>>10957313
Has she even really been on the radio or charted? I have never heard of her.

>>10957321
She gets these tiny, indie radio stations no one's heard of. It's just ego fodder to make her sound impressive. Same goes for these awards and competitions she wins. Which btw you have to actually pay for to even participate. Submitting covers that she parades as originals.

>>10957255
Idol Jam
Asayoru set up an event a day of Idol Jam 1 and a day after Idol Jam 2

>>10957326
Akiba Live? isn't that operated by little akihabara, which is separate from asayoru?

plus, we don't know how far in advance people chose these dates.

>>10957322
Does she even have any *actual* originals?

>>10957313
to be fair, her mother basically runs her promo/fan page. its cute but ive done some research and the some of the award pages are from family members, ive seen the last name de voe not tied to maeve there. i can go look again and give you the actual page but i doubt its that relevant since its not surprising either way. maeve seems like she never worked a single normal job ever before too since she seems pretty rich from her family.

>>10957332
she has like 3 or 4 originals. they are better than the covers i have to admit, but she should classify her covers as covers rightly. because aint no way she actually won a songwriting award for a song she did in fact not write.

>>10957332
>>10957335
I've looked into every song she clickbaits as an original and had to put in actual effort to find out that "I'm Different", "Zhoosh It Up" and "Car Radio" are the only confirmed original songs she produced by herself or in collaboration with someone. Those were all released in 2021, 2022 and 2023 respectively.

She claims she works 80 hours a week on music, but what is she actually working on if she isn't just straight up lying? She hasn't released an actual original song in 2 years and with that kind of work schedule supposedly dedicated to her craft, why hasn't she come out with a fully original album by now? Why is she renaming entire Love Live song titles and giving no credit to the original producers and songwriters on Spotify? This girl is exceptionally delusional holy.

Watching Vivaria's interview in the Chuseibu stream right now. What was all that hype around them for again?

>>10957334
she gives homeschooled never worked a real job sheltered from the real world vibes. guess money can do that to ya

>>10957340
idk but I'm tired of hearing their name. stop mentioning them. i want to hear people's underrated kaigai idols that are ACTUALLY talented and don't get enough hype.

speaking pf privilege, bunmira just posted a reel sbout how she works on her passion project full time meaning I guess she too doesn't work a real job.

but what is her passion project? her magical girl tiktok series that she doesn't update that often? you have all the time in the world and still barely make content? and she got herself involved with the idol community yet doesn't even have an original song or regularly posts music covers.

are there any idols/idol adjacent idols who you know for a fact juggle a real job with this stuff and syill put out decent performances, music, and covers? I want my support ro go to them. they actually need it.

>>10957342
I might suggest Eutopian Star. Though she's a newly budded original idol (most of their page is cosplay stuff ATM), she performs passionately and has a good singing voice. Just recently came out with their first original song and it's pretty good for a first song imo. I think they will be performing at MetroFest at the end of this month with an actual original look, so I'm looking forward to how they do.

>>10957342
first tell me your definition of and criteria for kaigai idol so i know what you're looking for. do they have to have originals out or is it alright if they're only planning to, are they allowed to wear wigs on stage or have a character persona like that, are they allowed to be fat and conventionally unattractive? list goes on.

>Wasted Eternities
look i know they are in the friend circle of Asayoru but aren't they wasting a 1 hour timeslot for a thrash metal band?

>>10957452
Can Asayoru PLEASE just pick idols that aren’t always able to get a gig? It’s like events in California always tend to pick the mediocre ones to perform always. And agreed on the band being a waste of a slot. Whoever picked these idols is picking the overrated ones in California. It’s getting boring to see the same people at multiple events that ALWAYS get accepted.

>>10957452
Make that 2 wasted opportunities. Metal bands don’t belong on an idol stage.

>>10957454
the other two bands do anime and vtuber covers.

>>10957453
Who are some non-overrated idols in Socal?

>>10957453
maybe the band gets an hour because the idols don't want to do a long set. you would think all idols would want as much stage time as possible, but some really prefer to just to a couple of songs.

also, the band helps bring in a variety of audiences so that helps for the market. this is a list of performers who will provide entertainment during a market event. so it's not an idol show.

in a market, where the more sales participants make the better, the more performers you want to bring in more customers and the wider the variety, the better.

>>10957452
I mean, this event is going on from 11am to 6pm so that's A LOT of time for people to fill for performances. with this many performers, they can have a pretty good back to back flow of entertainment for the whole day.

>>10957455
Knife Pleat, Alice, anybody who you barely see their names appear on event flyers or on stage.

>>10957457
i would agree with you if it wasnt on an outdoor middle class chinese mall at noon.

>>10957458
its still very obvious that the reason they got picked is because they are part of the asayoru inner circle , they could have given every other performer an extra 5 minutes
>>10957459
you have to ask them if they applied, i know an idol that applied but didnt get picked so they have to perform with emorain

anyone watching the chubusei showcase?

>>10957460
it sounds like
1. you're mad that there's something on the lineup thar you don't like, so now that's a moral failure on asayoru's part
2. you wanna perform there, but for some reason you can't

any normal person looking at that is not gonna care about a band who is friends with the eveng organizers playing.

>>10957481
1. I'm mad that there is someone in the lineup that is obviously only picked because they are friends with the event coordinator
2. I'm not a performer lol

You have to understand that the audience isn't a normal audience but kpop fans.
I hope I'm wrong though

>>10957487
as someone mentioned above, it's a band that has performed covers related to anime stuff.

and organizers choosing friends to perform, yeah, that's how life works and it's perfectly normal.

also why would the audience be only k-pop fans? it's hosted by a maid cafe, there are j-pop inspired idols performing and the name leans to very anime.

You just sound retarded for being upset.

>>10957487
additionally, asayoru has a lot of male customers so that audience typically likes bands. maybe those male customers wouldn't normally go to the market but this could be a chance to reel them in. the cafe might not even be thinking that deeply into it, but as a person who has zer connection to these people, nothing about it strikes as weird or wrong to me.

lmao. around 16 hours ago, i commented under berry's most recent dance tiktok. the comment said that the outfit is a copy of costumes fruit zipper wore and that claiming it is an original design would be plagiarism. at the end, i added that deleting my comment would be admitting that she is excusing plagiarism. the comment was up for a bit and now i just looked and it's gone, tiktok did not give me any notif about deleting it themselves so it's clear berry did. tells me everything i need to know about her.

>>10957508
lmao. no one is surprised.

>>10957508
Where did she ever claim it as an original design? Pretty sure both her and marmalade (the seamstress) have stated that it's heavily inspired from Fruits Zipper

>>10957508
its probably not legally plagiarism, but it shows that she doesn’t have enough creativity to come up with anything on her own. no other legit idols need to borrow ideas from other groups in such an obvious way.they make up their own unique shit. it makes me wonder how gullible and autistic her fans have to be to put up with her lack of direction and overall talent

>>10957519
Or she just...really wanted to wear the outfit cause she liked it??? It's okay to dislike things anon. you don't need to yank your own panties up your crack

>>10957520
if its okay to think shes untalented and lacks creativity, then why are you riding my dick? kek hush and let the grownups talk

I’ve seen berry’s fans. They are indeed autistic lol people can’t think for themselves anymore and are probably enticed by her TikTok numbers. She can easily drain money from them as long as she keeps up with the idol facade, but I’m convinced shes just going to end up going the gaijin in glorious nihon influencer route eventually. Less work and more money in her pocket to spend on weeb junk.

>>10957508
but what exactly did you say? if you worded it like an asshole of course she's gonna get defensive and delete it

>>10957522
and most of them are children who don't know much about jpop music and culture. berry is like the first idol theyve ever followed

>>10957533
Berry infamously deletes any critical comments. Even if they were nice as fuck about it shes gonna delete it. If she could delete this entire website she would.

>>10957522
Still boggles me gow she can afford two japan trips in like one month with no job. there's no way the tiktok creator fund is that good. unless she's just selling so much merch that she can afford those trips but doesn't she have rent? She has her own room is a house in LA.

I wouldn't be wondering all this if she didn't make a big deal about not being able to work a job because of getting doxxed. But how does that work? Her manager found out she's Berry and doesn't want to hire her? Or customers recognize she's Berry? So just don't get a customer facing job?

She could easily just say, I want to take this dream seriously so I'm going to make use of my ability to do this full time.

>>10957610
There’s no way she’s not secretly another nepo baby

>>10957626
What idol isn’t?

>>10957632
most of them aren't. how many idols do you even know? many have fairly tight budgets.

>>10957626
It could be another situation similar to Paida. She has to live with her boyfriend, maybe he pays for everything...

>>10957626
words mean things

a nepo baby is someone whose fame and success is assisted by their rich famous parent. like, willow and jaden smith whose father is will smith. no kaigai idols have famous parents. there are no nepo babies. just say privileged.

>>10957641
can't imagine him being the kind of guy who makes enough money to support borh of them unless he's a rich kid

>>10957238
paida did sub-contracting work for Twitter before it got bought out, she might have had other jobs too but idk

>>10957646
I guess I should clarify, by real job I mean working a standard 40 hourish full time work week. Pretty interesting to have a gig with twitter though

would you say the staff positions (making costumes, producing songs, lyrics, mixing, choreography, graphics, etc.) in this kaigai idol community have too little representatives? i barely know more than three people actively open for each of these positions, but i think that might be good for them because less concurrence = more chances.

>>10957663
well quite a few idols use fiver, vgen, or other websites where you can find a pool of people to commission for various services

Anyone watch Berry's latest AX vlog?

She had no comments to make about her own performance. The most she yapped about in the vlog was about security giving her a hard time about her suitcase full of merch and bringing it into the foodcourt area, like a typical white woman. We saw a lot of her boyfriend this time around.

It would be nice to hear some actual thoughts about her performance and things about being an actual idol. She also failed to get much footage of the other acts or even making some commentary about them as well.

>>10957671
I think it should be obvious by now that Berry probably doesn't really care about how other kaigai idols are doing outside of her Japanese oshis. She gives me weeaboo teenager girl who wants to be associated with Japanese people as much as possible vibes.

>>10957672
you're right. I think she thinks it makes her look more legit and less weeaboo to normies who say she's trying to be japanese. lol.

>>10957672
Was it not this thread that was saying a few weeks ago that idols should not be supporting each other because doing so is unprofessional? Or does it only matter when its someone you dont like?

>>10957674
well first of all, there are various opinions on this thread. second of all, you're wrong. stop being lazy and scroll up.

judging if an idol is a good idol based upon if they support other idols is dumb.

I'm judging her vlogging skills more than anything.

>>10957674
I didn't say that and I don't care who did. I don't think it's unprofessional but it also shouldn't be a criteria for how good of an idol someone is or how worthy they are of success. There are cases of idols tryhard hyping up fat Love Live cosplayers because they 1. want to look better next to them 2. feel like they need to be ''inclusive''. I don't care if you support those around you or not, you just shouldn't be a snake or someone that only seems to give a shit about idols that are of Japanese ethnicity, whether kaigai idol or idol in Japan. Which Berry seems to do, at least that's my impression.

>>10957673
she was listed on the same day as cherie and shes japanese. half is not enough i guess lol or maybe she was intimidated by her

>>10957685
Who knows. Cherie also edits her photos to appear a lot more paler than she really is

Miyu has been doing the same. This whitewashing bs pisses me off.

>>10957689
If I never met her irl I’d never know she’s actually black.

>>10957695
Shes not? Shes Japanese idiot

>>10957699
she's half black half japanese. she's made it pretty easy to know she's biracial

>>10957685
I wanna think that to, but was she right before berry? maybe she was busy backstage mentally preparing for her set. plus, cherie ife only performed one song, so not much time to run out there and get much on camera.

I think the funniest thing is the woman at the very front screaming so loud and failing for even remember how mix goes during berry's performance.

>>10957685
Cherie we know you want to be seen as "intimidating" and "scary kawaii" but stop self-posting.

>>10957724
I'm not her, I'm just someone with sense. The most retarded thing people do on here is assume self-posting. no, I'm actually someone here to not drag someone. I like arguing against stupid people because it makes me feel like a genius.

>popular indie vtuber signed with a corpo in order to try to sell merch and have a vtuber idol group
>company imploded before the vtuber idol group happened
thank goodness for this

>>10957472
No, I missed it. Is there a vod or something to watch? Were there any standouts?

>>10957728
You don’t hate every idol that exists? Clearly a self poster

>>10957735
they mentioned a vod being on their youtube soon. i watched a bit of each day and overall it was the virtual showcase with the most quality of those i watched so far. really liked the interviews too. a few meh acts and many well-done ones.

>>10957695
Are you stupid?
>>10957724
Accusing of self-posting is crazy when Berry is intimidated by anyone who she thinks can do better than her. If I spent my time lip syncing and talking about the haters instead of idoling, I'd be intimidated by a live singer too.
Speaking of Berry...
Is she really claiming she's not 30 still? She only hangs out with people in their early 30s or close to it. There's nothing wrong with being 30, but if she's still claiming she's just a girl in her early 20s, it makes her boyfriend situation especially weird considering that he is definitely in his 30s. Maybe she's trying to catch a spouse visa and jump over to Japan.

>>10957742
I really don't get the Berry hype no matter her age. She gives off weird vibes, not the first one saying it either. She's definitely trying to make it to Japan by all means, typical white weaboo woman who's so starstruck by her beloved Nihon and thinks every other country is shit + needs validation from Japanese people. Her bf being Japanese isn't coincidence either. Typical example of "Thing in any country ever: meh. Thing in Japan: WOW SUGOI!".
I bet she can't name more than 5 Asian countries.

Berry bitching AGAIN about "trauma" revolving around her nickname. 10 paragraph essay posted to her story a whole day after she posted a 3 video rant about people calling her Berry-chan at connecticon. It's getting exhausting just watching her do anything because she just never stops victim complexing. We get it, you went through a rough time three years ago. It doesn't define you, stop it.

>>10957742
anyone who has been a NewS stan for years is definitely in their late 20s to early 30s. the young folk don't gaf about those guys esp with how problematic tegoshi yuya has been towards female idols/celebs. he's a wannabe playboy and the fact that berry is still proud to be a huge fan, making it part of her whole personality, without showing any ounce of shame or embarrassment for stanning a sleazball like him really is telling a lot about her: she is delulu and scared to face reality.

>>10957746
I don't get that vibe from her so much esp from watching her vlogs, you actually can see her real personality and real voice come out.

but I do think she wants to own the haters so badly and those who blew her up end up being covered by fucking rolling stone magazine online.

but what do I know that's just my guess

>>10957751
I hate how she's just go on and on and even being a little passive aggressive about how many ~*times*~ she's had to explain this

literally just go "hey everyone just a reminder that I don't really like being called berry-chan. it just reminds me of how people mock me online. I know some people might not be calling that as a way to make fun of me, so please don't think I'm trying to attack you if you've called me berry-chan with no ill intentions. I appreciate everyone's support regardless because the love I've received compared to the hate has been life changing!"

like end on a positive note damn

>>10957751
She's earning money by crying over a honorific while people out here are being abused and killed.

>>10957746
ah I forgot to mention one more thing. with her bf being japanese, it doesn't matter. he probably has a white woman fetish. people gotta stop thinking asian guys are so innocent. instead of being with a woman of similar culture to him so he can find deeper understanding and connection, he's with a weeaboo white girl.

>>10957755
No, for real. She's a conventionally attractive white woman who also appeals to Asian beauty standards, she's able bodied, she seems pretty well off taken all the trips she goes on and everything she does with her idol stuff. She just NEEDS to have something.

>>10957757
true. and instead of leading with more creative ideas or helping her fans learn more about her by doing more variety content, she doesn't have those skills. so all she can lead with is her sob story. that's why her fans are so weird. normal people can see her more clearly.

>>10957754
Honestly reminding people isn’t a problem. There’s probably new fans of hers who didn’t know she doesn’t like that nickname/don’t know the origin.
Every other idol I’ve seen who have similar boundaries are like: “Don’t call me blank because it makes me feel like blank” and leave it there.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Berry yelled at a child for calling her Berry-chan.

>>10957751
>immeasurable levels of trauma
kek
If being called Berry-chan is trauma and harassment, it makes me wonder how bad the harassment she allegedly faces every time she tries to get a real job is. Are people who happen to be at her former jobs simply asking her if she's Berry-chan from TikTok, and she's calling that stalking and harassment?
>>10957755
It's typical lazy grifter behavior. Why get a real job when she can post a sob story and earn TikTok revenue from teenagers arguing with people in her comments section?
She needs a lolcow thread at this point. She's headed in that direction fast.
>>10957746
If you look back far enough on her Instagram, you can see that before her current bf, she only dated white women. Something fishy is definitely going on.