>buy pickles from store
>WTF they're mushy, not crisp and nothing like I remember
>Look at the back
>Made in India
They used to be grown in Spain or Poland. Brands that do this deserve to go extinct. I would rather pay $1 more for cucumbers not grown in Pooland.

If these same cumcumbers were grown in the US with US labels, US vinegar and spices, and a US made jar, it'd be $47 for pickles so we just need more global markets, okay?

>>21395545
They literally used to be grown in Europe and "grown in India" is in tiny print of the back. It's j*wish behavior from TJs. I'm never buying them again and TJs can suck my dick.

>>21395565
How do you know those sneaky fucks in silly hats aren't importing chinese pickles and indian glass jars slapping their own label on it?

>>21395532 (OP)
>calories 0
how?

>>21395597
>Serving size: zero grams

>>21395597
Cucumbers are basically just fiber and water which don't have calories. It's not literally zero because it still contains a very small amount of sugar but it's low enough they can round down to zero.

>>21395642
>they can round down to zero

tic tacs are literal sugar pills, the ingredient list starts with sugar
but they can print 0 carbs, 0 sugar, 0 calories because the overall serving size is below the limit

>>21395532 (OP)
>pickled anything being mushy

absolutely disgusting, did they forget to do quality control or don't they just care?

>>21395655
It's shitflation. Everything goes to shit.
>>21395669
No, the old ones grown in Spain had a very distinct snap to them. The Indian ones literally have the texture of beets. It's disgusting.

>>21395532 (OP)
>>21395561
Mt Olive switched to india in the last year, the price is the same as when it was grown in NC but the quality is shit now.

>>21395532 (OP)
>salt
>no calcium chloride
Well there's your problem.

>>21395691
I'm pretty sure the old ones didn't have calcium chloride either but the skins of the Euro cukes were much thicker so they didn't need it.

>>21395684
Napoleon still sources their gherkins from Spain, but they aren't as good as the other brands before they switched to Indian producers. It's literally impossible to find good gherkins nowadays.

>>21395561
I just bought a jar of pickles grown in Canada for 10$. Skill issue

>>21395561
>switch to low cost regions
>end product that the consumer buys is more expensive, lower quality, less healthy, and smaller.
But the line's going up. See that line on the graph? It's up 0.224% since last quarter. That just means the world just got 0.224% more gooder. You want the line to go up, don't you? You're not some kind of commie/fascist (delete appropriate), are you?

I'm seriously not buying any food produced in India or China. Even freaking mangoes from India are significantly worse than South American ones, despite shorter transport.

>>21395532 (OP)
>Pooland
D:
>Poland
:D

>>21395532 (OP)
Yeah I had to throw away 2 jars of relish because the companies started importign it from India

>>21395561
Grillos manages to do most if not all that and his piggles are less than $10 for a big container.

>>21395871
>>21396126
Here are consumers content with paying $10 for pickles.

Its just cucumbers, vinegar, and some of the most common herbs and spices on the planet.

>>21395691
>>21395744
Some also use herbs and the like as a tannin source to keep them crunchier.
It's why I add bay leafs and clove to many pickles.

>>21395532 (OP)
I have actively tried to avoid vegetables imported from china or India for a long time and now they're fucking pickling them?

I know they do that with shit like tomato paste and canned tomatoes too. Italians have started passing off Chinese tomatoes as home grown. As much as I love Tesla's battery factory runoff heavy metals in my lasagna, I'll have to fucking pass.

>>21396238
I'm sorry you're poor.

>>21395591
Fuck off, schizo.

>>21395654
and fat asses blame their lack of self control on rounding errors.

>>21395532 (OP)
American cucumbers will just flat-out refuse to grow for less than $15/hour.

>>21396238
Yes. However, I paid a Canadian company with Jamaican (who have to return to their country of origin after their contract is finished (yes I know we have other serious issues of migration)) origin. At least, a little bit more of my currency stays within my country.

>>21396238
Grillos are pretty good. I'd much rather spend $10 on pickles than shit smeared Temu pickles from india.

>>21396483
No it's literally just to save 5 cents a jar. The problem is that it's actually illegal for American companies to not "maximize shareholder value". So if a company is spending 5 more cents on a can of tomatoes by buying local produce, shareholders can sue them for ignoring their fiscal responsibility to them. Shareholder capitalism is fucking disgusting and (((shareholders))) are ruining everything good. What about the negative externalities of feeding people Indian shit pickles? Of course that never gets taken into consideration.

>>21397453
Sorry but you're wrong on this. Yeah Dodge v. Ford fucked up a lot regarding a company's fiduciary duties to their shareholders, but with even the smallest amount of effort a company's management team can make arguments as to the board of directors and shareholders why they might choose a more "expensive" option. For example, this is a totally legal argument for a corporation to make

>if we buy these shitty cucumbers from India, in the long term customers will stop buying our products and will shift to other brands fucking up shareholder value, so we'll stick with our more expensive supplier

It's a good faith argument for a business decision. They have the autonomy to do so. The BIG issue is that a lot of Bonuses are tied to quarterly profits. Like, huge amounts of money for a CEO who can hit a profit increase over last quarter. Because of this, management has a perverse incentive to gut a company as quickly as possible so that the private equity (who knowingly sets up these incentives and knows what will happen, by the way) can puff up their stock ticker values. That goes up, company looks good, then the equity group can sell off everything and move on to the next one.

This is why whenever a privately held company goes public, it inevitably goes to shit. Not because it's impossible to make long term decisions, but because they get paid WAY MORE to make short term cost cutting measures e.g.
>product enshittification
>mass layoffs
>"optimizations"

The management teams and equity groups will point to Dodge v. Ford as their justification, but it's all bullshit.

>>21397476
>>if we buy these shitty cucumbers from India, in the long term customers will stop buying our products and will shift to other brands fucking up shareholder value, so we'll stick with our more expensive supplier
Yes, you're free to tell the shareholders that at the AGM, with all the facts and evidence in the world to back it up, but:
>The shareholders are not required to listen to you.
>The shareholders can vote you out and elect a board of directors who will implement the jeetification cost cutting measures they're demanding.
and this is an inherent problem of the joint stock corporate model. It genuinely all comes down to shareholders in the end, who are well-diversified, compared to management, who have all their wealth and prestige tied up with this one company, and who want short-term gains to pump their portfolio, as opposed to management, who want long-term stability so as to be able to keep their jobs. So, even if managers know, and say, that product enshittification is harmful to the long-term health of the company, so long as it promises to make the shareholders that much richer, that is what the company will do, because, surprise surprise, the shareholders ARE THE OWNERS.

This generally leads back into your point of how privately/closely held corporations do better long-term than public ones, since, generally, the shareholders are either also managers or otherwise take a direct, long-term interest in the company, as opposed to the shareholders of public companies, who are either speculators and/or massive investment funds who generally view the company as a vehicle to provide them with wealth, not as a business which concerns itself with the manufacture of quality products.

>>21397476
>He thinks Blackrock doesn't have boards of directors by the balls
Cute.

Trader Joe's has gone down the drain. Don't give them your money and for Godsakes you don't need to eat Chilean blueberries in February.

>>21397582
most big fuckoff corps use stock incentives as part of management's payment structure. I promise you, 9 times out of 10 the random MBA who was hand picked by the board knows what they're doing is essentially taking a hatchet to whatever company it is, and their incentives align with equity groups who want a cash-out of whatever they're trying 10X before they jump out, or whatever the fuck they call it at this point. Unless the CEO is the fucking CEO of apple or something, they're likely part of a posse that goes from company to company upending the "problem" group was running the show's stable but "inefficient" process because whatever Equity group bought in has majority control.

Basically, I'm agreeing with you except that I'm saying that the shareholders don't even need to rely on Dodge v. Ford to gut a company, they do it because they have control and not Management. It's not illegal to make a decision that costs more BUT It's basically just a symbiotic relationship at this point between the two; venture capital firms and their teams of hatchetmen. It's a sad state of affairs which leads to an absurd race to the bottom, mass outsourcing, and at this point AI enshittification of everything. I applied to work at a law firm and they replaced their ENTIRE PARALEGAL STAFF with a group from the Philippines. They kept like 5 senior ladies to do everything. This isn't like Cravath or something, this is a mid sized firm in a mid sized state, and they're privately owned. I literally cannot imagine how bad it is for publicly held companies at this point.

>>21397603
>/ck/ food and cooking

>>21397847
/biz/ is just rugpulls and crypto scammers and techbros and red wojacks so we have to discuss corporate finance in other places.

>>21397847
cooking the books more like it

>>21395561
how did we get to the point where it's cheaper to grow cucumbers in india, ship them to france to turn them into pickles, then ship the jars to america for sale?

>>21398225
bulk shipping is cheap as fuck. Offshore labor is even cheaper. You can hire like 15 indians for one migrant worker in fucking kansas. It's insane

>>21398225
It's always been that way, anon. Think about all the crazy trade routes for food throughout history. Indian Temu pickles are just a continuation of what humans have been doing for thousands and thousands of years.

>>21398225
It's literally just labor prices. Walmart ships chickens grown in the US to China to be processed and packaged and then shipped back to US because some faggot MBA told them that could save 10 cents per bird. And they still get to have the "made in US" label. Globalism is cancer and I'm glad Trump is tanking the global economy. Also don't but from Smithfield Farms. It's owned by China.

>>21398306
China consumes more pork per capita than any other country. Combined with their population it's no surprise they're investing in it anywhere they can.

There's a Smithfield plant in VA which essentially solely ships all their output to China. A massive, massive amount of pork. You wonder why your bacon prices went up? The Chinese middle class can afford pork belly now and they fucking crave it more than Americans crave burgers.

>>21398295
the spice trade was for stuff that didn't grow domestically. imagine how much better the world would be now if you could grow tea in ireland.

>>21398397
You're being reductive.

>>21398225
advancements in shipping technology

>>21396100
Agreed. It stuns me that people buy holiday candy made in China, like where are your standards?

Saar!
Eat my gerkins SAARRR

How does shipping pickles around the world make any fucking sense? Grow them in india, send them to france. just to end up in america.

>>21398313
Chef Wang let slip a social-credit reducing line in one of his videos, when he mentioned pork becoming more expensive recently.

if youre not buying your pickles from the refrigerated section you are a nigger
the end

>>21399704
I like cornishons in my egg salad. They only come from the shelf.