I want to start my own business selling schnitzel and grilled brats outside of bars. I'm in the US

Any suggestions as to what you, the tipsy/drunk patron, would crave?

So far I have thought of:
Fries $4
grilled Bratwurst on bun $5
Schnitzel with lemon $8
Jaeger schnitzel $9
Three grilled sausages and mustard $8

I'm going for a German/Austrian food vibe as that is my favorite food to eat with beer and I love cooking

Sounds like you've got everything you would need right there. Better to keep it simple than overextend.

>>21416145 (OP)
Have you looked into the permits/licenses etc. you would have to get to do this?
I thought about starting a food truck before, but all the bs red tape killed that idea pretty quickly.
Not trying to discourage you at all, just make sure you know what you're getting into

>>21416145 (OP)
You should throw in a free shot of bottom shelf, plastic bottle vodka, if you are going to be operating outside of bars. I guarantee that will get customers to spend more money.
You might want to pay an employee off the books to be standing somewhere not in your food trucks to do that, though. Preferably near a drain in case some autist calls the cops.

>>21416145 (OP)
German cucumber salad
Need to balance things out a lighter food.

There's no modern fast-casual German in the US
Chipotle with hipster German food would be sooooo popular.
But not just extremely cheap - you have to use non-commodity chicken cuz the ones with smoler breasts and thighs have much better tasting meat, ditto with pork. I'd rather pay $25 for a big high quality schnitzel with fries and all the toppings I want - the key is nice toppings like pickled cabbage and hummus and other sauces.

>>21416145 (OP)
>Jaeger schnitzel $9
THIS, french fries, and Bitburger was my lifeblood when I lived in Germany.
I would pay $10 more for a dose of LSD if you had any. Sure, it seems expensive, but that stuff will send you on a trip for 24+ hours.

>>21416145 (OP)
>food vibe
your "business" will fail in a week. also, tits or gtfo

>>21416187
>your "business" will fail in a week.
Not OP, but if I was running a business, I would sell my food combos for approximately 50% of whatever the state minimum wage was. Obviously, not all of my food is going to be Grade A++++ Wagyu, but if I could figure out the optimal ratio of fats, carbs, and proteins at a profitable price point...

>>21416145 (OP)
Schnitzel is great at a table, where you can cut it. Think of eating while standing food. Brats work, but your schnitzel should probably be schnitzel strips with a lemon sauce to dip. What toppings you have for the bratwurst? $5 is stupid cheap and you'll lose money if you make toppings free, incorporate topping price into brat price. How big are your sausages, pair when with a ketchup curry instead of dumping mustard on everything. You cooking basic German staples, got to jazz it up if you want to be notable.

>>21416145 (OP)
Ditch the buns. They need too much space. You have to be as efficient as possible.

>>21416203
If I'm piss drunk you better give me a brat on a bun or I'm throwing hands. Or you better slice that shit and put it on top of fries with jalapenos and cheddar.

>>21416145 (OP)
Why aren't you selling ham sandwiches?
I thought that was a staple food item in Germany. Hamburgers made from Black Forest pigs.

unrelated to this thread but there any rules/regulations where I can't have a laundromat that also has beer on the tap? get plastered while you wait on your laundry

>>21416219
Post bmi
>>21416145 (OP)
Your menu is good, anon, honestly I'd drop the schnitzel. Deep fryers are annoying to operate. You could just pop-up a grill with a little tent with the sausages.
Check your local laws, but in most major cities fucking with very small time food pop-up operations is so unpopular that police/city councils don't bother to spend time with enforcing them.

>>21416229
No, that's a German hamburger.

>>21416183
>>21416179

Yes some type of slaw or pickled "salad" would be a nice addition and you could prepare it in advance. You could sell it on its own, serve it under the Schnitzel and the three sausages, and you could offer it as a topping on the brat for a dollar extra. I'm not sure how authentic it is, but you could also offer grilled peppers and onions for an additional fee. If something else that you could prepare in advance, doesn't cost a lot to make, and you really just have to keep it warm all night.
>>21416176
If you're planning on selling outside of bars to avoid the trouble and to offer a much needed additional service maybe it would be better to have some type of hydration or electrolyte drink on hand. Something specifically built to combat hangovers. Also I look for places that don't sell any food so people are coming out drunk and hungry. I bet you could sell those recovery drinks/ shots at a premium and people would be very interested. I know myself stumbling out of the strip club drunk as fuck at 2am would easily pay $8 of my leftover ones for some hangover remedy while waiting for my Uber. Combo that with a basic ass hotdog for $10 and you could make a fortune.

>>21416232
Probably depends on the local, state, and federal laws. Ignorance of the law is not an excuse. I'm not going to research this shit for you.
Figure it out yourself or go to jail/prison.

>>21416243
>I'm not going to research this shit for you. Figure it out yourself or go to jail/prison.
thanks anon

>>21416247
No problem.
Were you seriously expecting someone to dig through thousands and thousands of pages of legal documents to find the answer for you, for free?

>>21416237
30% down from 55%. I'm not afraid, now give me a bun. You can easily do schnitzel in a lightly oiled pan it doesnt have to be deep fried.

>>21416201
>>21416262
But there should be a way to modify the dish to make it handheld. You're not going to want to set up tables and give out cutlery to drunks in a parking lot. The Schnitzel strips were a good idea. Maybe throw them into a pita?

>>21416253
yes

>>21416288

>>21416288
You already got the buns, no need to add more overhead. Top it with a lemon sauerkraut.

>>21416232
Such places already exist and have for a very long time (at least since the 1970s). As the other anon said, it depends on local laws.

Op here, thanks for everyone's input. I think I will add

Currywurst and fries $7

Add ons (ice cream scoopful):
Homemade Rotkraut $1
Homemade Sauerkraut $1
Cucumber salad $1
Grilled onions and peppers $1
Extra Bratwurst toasted bun $1
Curry ketchup $0.5
Garlic Mayo $0.5

Definitely want to keep the schnitzel as I love schnitzel and I want to be known as the schnitzel guy

Drinks:
Water $1
Gatorade $2
Canned beverages $1

Any other suggestions

I plan to get all my shit from Costco business center and I'll make all the sauces sides myself

If there was a legal way to impregnate your food with esomeprazole, that doesn't involve destroying it, you would make a ton of money.
Imagine it.

>>21416410
my experience was that whenever I had (chronic) acid reflux, I really just had a bacterial issue in my gut and needed antibiotics
but for whatever reason gi doctors are annoying about just giving you antibiotics

>>21416413
Ever try fish meds?
They have everything, including invasive antimicrobiotics that will delete almost everything.
The trick is to number crunch and find something that won't dissolve your entire body into a puddle of mush.

>>21416356
Other than that tell me where you’re located so I can buy your food

>>21416421
it was all cuz i was abusing sedative pills, I stopped doing that and the acid went away
but the antibiotics really fucking worked - and you need specific ones that work just on the gut or you can get really sick

>>21416145 (OP)
Gunna be honest, your pricing is way too cheap.

>>21416473
Yea I know but I figure I'd be competing with taco bell/McDonald's/del taco/burger joint fast food for the late night drunks. In addition I'd be competing with food trucks that charge $7 for the cheapest thing and taco stands that charge $3 per taco. I wanted to be a "well that's new, tastes better and homemade, and (relatively) cheaper" option. I suppose depending on where I post up I can raise prices but I myself, for example, would think twice before dropping $10 on a schnitzel from some vendor I've never met. Thoughts?

>>21416219
>throwing hands
Yeah, maybe tear drenched girly slaps whilst screaming

>>21416145 (OP)
US style coleslaw works good with the aforementioned menu ingredients. give them a tiny portion with the sausages and sell it in big cups, 300% markup

>>21416145 (OP)
>schnitzel

Requires plates and that's an added and unnecessary cost, unless you're serving schnitzel burgers, in which case just sell burgers and brats.

>>21416781
>Requires plates and that's an added and unnecessary cost
Haha, OP just got blown the fuck out. OP is a dense cunt!!

>>21416663
My main question is how will you heat the schnitzel?

Personally I think I’d be up for schnitzel served in an oblong roll. I don’t know if your Costco Business has it but mine has a 20 count box of Demi baguettes in the frozen section for $13 if you want to bake them up beforehand.

Also good luck with your business, I think it’s fine to keep prices low at first to gauge interest and get a feel for it.

If you don’t have one yet I think the Bank of America Customized Cash rewards visa is offering a special promo cash back of 6% your chosen purchase category for the first year (with a max spend per quarter), you can choose “Internet” and then use the visa to buy Costco e-gift cards to help reduce your expenses a little

>>21417001
>My main question is how will you heat the schnitzel?
with rice...duh...

>>21416798
Fuck he got me

>>21417001
What do you mean? I was planning on having the raw prebreaded schnitzels and frying to order.

>Demi baguette
I actually where I can buy something like this wholesale near me. What's in a typical schnitzel sandwich?

>>21416201
>Think of eating while standing food.
Easy: Put the Schnitzel in a bun. We call that a "Schnitzelweck".

>>21416145 (OP)
Pub "parmy" burgers. They have a chicken parmegian and chips (thickly cut fries) with lettuce, tomato, and onion on a bun. Drunks will snap them up.

>>21416145 (OP)
Schnitzel does not work as a street food.
It needs to be prepared fresh, and it needs to be eaten sitting down.

Typical German street food would be Frikadelle, Leberkase or kasslerfleishe im brotchen.

>>21416183
>There's no modern fast-casual German in the US
Neither is there in Germany itself, unless you consider Backwerk which is often run by Muslims.

>>21416356
Too much menu especially when your only competency is price and the only source of the labor is you. You gotta make it as simple and efficient as buying a bulk of frozen food from costco and reheating it or you'll be outcompeted

>>21417239
>I'm going for a German/Austrian food vibe

>>21417253
You want to choose authenticity over profit? Die poor, commie.

>>21417253
The whole topic thing is pretty ungerman. You just serve plain shit with mustard, ketchup or remoulade in a bun.

>>21416145 (OP)
>selling schnitzel and grilled brats outside of bars.
>I'm in the US
Well go ahead and add $50k/yr food handlers license and $100k/yr rent. Oh, you think you're the first person whose had the idea to set up a food cart outside a bar?

>>21416145 (OP)
google for "Grillfackel" I'm having them right now (picture related). it's thin cut pork belly wrapped around a stick. as side I'm having a herb butter baguette that i pimped with gouda slices in the cuts. you may also serve potato salad or noodle salad as side

Best bar food situation I've seen was a taco stand behind a bar that was cash only and tacos were all $1 each. This made the whole process extremely efficient, which when you're drunk and hungry, is essential.
Going to guess it would be difficult to make much of a profit off of one dollar (or Euro) tacos, but avoiding dealing with adding up prices, making change, dealing with technology issues, etc., is a desirable goal.

Hilbilly vendor here.
It's good money but you never cook in the street because you need to move if you want to sell.

Basically you cook things in batches before you go out and just sell them ready to go. The gibsmedat factor is everything, sure people will wait but it's your time that's wasting

A lot of bars will let you hawk as they close because it helps them get all the customers outside.

You've got to get a square payID because these faggot kids don't carry cash any more. And it's not uncommon people will try to steal your food. So remember their faces and give free food to the professional security. Don't give shit to homeless people, if you attract them businesses won't let you hang out.
When you bring it out, you sell it in cardboard boxes if you have to or paper wrap it you can.

And what you sell. Your food costs will be high so don't sell anything with a high food cost. Some nights if the weather is bad you won't sell anything.

So get example, samosa mix only costs 3 dollars a pound to make, you can put a heap in an oven at once, they stay really hot, there's no serious food handling issues.
Hundred Samoa's at a dollar, you're making 85 cents on the dollar. You need those margins because street selling isn't efficient when you factor in travel.

Steamed food scales up, any kind of hot dog, dumpling, steamed bun.

Fried food is great to-order but you're not standing around all day in the street with a wok of hot oil. And when customers come they usually come at once. You can do it if you're out the front of a subway entrance or the spot in an industrial district.
Nothing wrong with a sandwich stall, do a bahn mi, put a sheet of baking paper between the roll and the salad so it doesn't go soggy, keep the meat over charcoal because that keeps flies off it.
I actually price mine by the meat skewer, because a lot of people just want the meat and will eat three skewers in one bun.

You might need a backpack with a chest of drawers, table legs, and then you cook with it as a table then carry the food around as a sandwich board.

Chinese style, shoulder pole noodles, the secret is aerated charcoal briquettes the water weights a ton so you want a gallon kettle to carry it don't try to heat it from cold.

Chestnuts are easy. Roast nuts are easy, that Indian nut mix is easy, shat.

One thing that goes fast is fried batter because you can par fry it then finish it in clean oil. All your Chinese and Japanese fried pastries are done like that.

Something like fried rice, it's heavy but stays hot, so if have a furniture roller you can carry 60kg of fried rice. Nothing wrong with sneaking into somewhere like that to sell lunch packs.

>>21417287
Yea but there are a lot of bars, and most people do it for fast money either when they lose their regular job or are trying to move into a van. Nobody stays street vending, the winners vacate their spot.

Europe is full of African hustlers selling sliced fruit, cocain, drinks that are probably drugged as well, fake sunglasses umbrellas, you name it. Hustling is easy money

Last week a lao guy was hustling some kind of sticky date rice in a bamboo roll for a dollar. Totally worth. Hell yea you'd pay a dollar for some ten cent rice shit. Man's shit was clean.
>>21417240
You can do it like kirage and serve it in a paper bag, I've seen that in a budget box with shredded cabbage and sauce.
>>21416781
You sell schnitzel because the breading has no moisture so doesn't wreck the bread and you just roll them in baking paper.

With burgers the meat juice will contaminate everything and I'm not saying it can't be done, but dollar on cent you get a ton of processed chicken mince for a dollar.
>>21416748
Nah if they've got money to drink, they've got money to eat. You want to sell larger serves because making a sale takes time especially with drunks.

I usually call "hot dogs who's got a dollar?" And everyone starts looking for which of their friends have a dollar and cheer every time a dollar is found. It's like being a striper, you have to ask for money.
>>21416356
Drinks often aren't worth selling because they're heavy, itemised. You want to make money you've got to buy syrup and dispense it. And all those big food companies are a cabal, they won't sell unless you've got a contract

A lot of bars now have to provide free water to stop drug related deaths, after people barrel out the door they're looking for somewhere to piss
You'd earn less than a vending machine. Unless you're in some kind of closed attraction like a zoo or a park or something. I've seen it done, but only where drinks are ten times too much.

>>21416145 (OP)
Austrian here. Sell Schnitzelsemmeln.

Do you really want to be associated with National Socialists (nazis) anon? Why don't people think?

>>21417240
>he never at a schnitzelweck
sad

>>21417428
>Europe is full of African hustlers selling
Yes that's my point, the US isn't Europe. Our rules for when/where/how you can sell food are much more strict. Nobody will just let you set up shop on the street corner, especially not in the type of nice area that will have bars full of white people willing to pay for German street food. The bar owners will call the police, the city will call the police, the police will already be on the block looking for anyone to arrest. You will be blocking public throughways, your customers will be creating garbage on the street, and your stall will be an eyesore. Even if you get your permits and the police don't shut you down, the bar/store owners in the area will figure out other ways to fuck with you and drive you out.
The only places you could get away with it are deep in Mexican parts of town (less money, fewer drunk white people to eat your schnitzel) and even then I imagine all the food stall operators have some familial relationship with whatever store they're in front of.

Don't know about the permits, but I know it's possible. I went to a bar where the pizza on the menu was made by a guy in his van right outside. They had some kind of arrangement. It was good. Took a long time though.

>>21417905
Here's what it takes to set up a hotdog cart in my area.
There's a /pol/ meme floating around that roughly goes like this:
>What it takes to start a business installing septic systems today:
>Permit A, permit B, permit C, bonded with $1mil insurance, annual hole digging training, annual septic system training, license to do business, etc etc.
>What it took to install septic systems in 1950:
>Septic tank, shovel

And the meme is entirely true. The system has been built against the common man succeeding in life, the only path 99.9% of us have is to bow down and pledge fealty to corporate America. The barrier to entry has been set too high by those who entered half a century ago so they can keep their competition low.

>>21417923
Here I found the image

>>21417684
Why would I ever get that when I can get Kasslerfleich, or a Boulette?

Schnitzel is extremely hard to get right unlike the above two options and in any case never as tasty.

>>21417947
Making a competent Schnitzel is pretty straightforward with a deep-fryer.
Also no idea what you're smoking if you think a Kassler in a bun is better than a Schnitzelsemmel.

>>21416145 (OP)
>outside of bars
No city would ever let you just fucking sell food outside of a bar without proper facilities and certifications

>>21418053
I have no idea what YOU are smoking.
Schnitzel is lean meat.
Kassler is basically edible bacon.
Come on man.

Oh wait, are you talking about veal Schnitzel? I only tasted pork schnitzel. I guess veal or beef might be tastier.

>>21418060
Kassler is pork loin. It's the exact same lean cut of meat you make pork schnitzel from.

>>21416145 (OP)
Reduce menu to just fries and the three grilled sausages/mustard. Serve sausages on top of a bed of fries with mustard all over it. Now your menu is fries or fries+sausage and that is probably the overwhelming majority of what bar drunks are going to want from you anyways, but you save the logistical expense and effort of being ready to prepare the other meals.

>>21418063
It's tasty as fuck though.
The pork schnitzel I have ever had were never as tasty. The meat is basically boiled inside of the breading and it would be though if it wasn't so thin.

>>21418063
You can make Kassler from every cut. Proper Schnitzel are also rather cut from topside.

>>21417924
Literally nothing stopping you from doing it the old way. You only get in trouble if you fuck up or try to con someone.

>>21416145 (OP)
Give these niggas their schnitzel in a kaiser roll with pickles or jalapenos and dill mayo.
I'd also suggest a big box of Krautfleckerl for 4 bucks. Cabbage & noodles are incredibly cheap and if you season the oil with the tiniest bit of flavacol or mix in browned butter solids it'll be incredibly rich and satisfying.
Toast your caraway for it.
Everyone I've served Krautfleckerl to has become a believer.
Ladle on a bit of cooked down tomato sauce (can be anything just fortify it with one tablespoon of browned tomato paste per 500ml) if you want to be extra.

>>21417655
Fuck I didn't see this before I suggested it but based

SPÄTZLE
1000%

>>21416203
its nice they made a glanket for the glizzy to tuck it into to bed

>>21416203
>>21416219
gentlemen, theres a solution here youre not seeing. the true austrian way.

>>21417301
The 1 or 2 dollar menu item is where people can spend the last of their cash and is so much more appealing to get anything for a dollar. It might just be me but I always feel like im about to get stiffed when I see something for $7, its right in between a $5 special and $12 dinner

A cool gimmick would be a fast-casual place that replicates a k-12 school cafeteria. 50-year-old lunch ladies with hair nets serving rectangular 'za and plain chicken patties on a bun with a little carton of milk.

All these people ignoring his dream and telling him to sell cheap Chinese food. Damn son.
Apparently the most profitable thing is to buy a port-a-potty and charge $1 for everyone that uses it. You'd have to clean it out to make any profit but apparently you're willing to deal with shit all the time anyway. It might take you an hour to clean it out in the morning and on a good night you could make 40 bucks off of it maybe. Put one of those American scooter totes on the back of your van and just link it up and lower it when you get there.

>>21418305
>>21418064
>>21417655
>>21418317
>>21418381
>>21418909
OP here. These are all incredibly valuable suggestions, thank you all. I think I will drastically simplify my menu and add new things as they become profitable. So after all the input I think I'll do:

Fries $4
Bratwurst on roll $5
Bratwurst (sausage only) $3
Currywurst $7
Schnitzelsemmeln (same roll as bratwurst ) $8

Sauces for free:
Yellow mustard
Stone ground mustard
Garlic aioli (mayo + garlic)
Curry ketchup

Things to add and gauge interest in as I expand:

Spatzel
Cucumber salad
Potato salad
Rotkraut/sauerkraut

Goddam I love German food. I'm going to drink some Weihenstephaner now

>>21418305
>>21418919

Oh and Krautfleckerl as side when I expand

>>21418919
Today, OP was not a faggot.

>>21418930
Hey thanks man. I'm just passionate about German food and beer. I love drinking beer. I've been drunk several times in bars craving sausages (kek) but all my options are taco bell garbage or overpriced food truck shit. There's gotta be a balance point which is what I want to provide

>>21418937
Provide it mang. Be happy to support you.

OP here again, do you guys think the general customer base would prefer chicken schnitzel or pork schnitzel? I myself love all schnitzels equally but some guys above were saying how prok schnitzel is essentially boiled meat inside breading which is accurate...

>>21419074
>prok schnitzel is essentially boiled meat inside breading which is accurate...
This is just a retarded take. Also everybody knows veal > pork > poultry

>>21419074
go with pork, trust me.

>>21419074
Austrian here, prefer pork. Also i've read about using a deep fryer here in this thread. Taste-wise i advise against it, it's just not a proper Schnitzel then; but i understand that it's probably more feasible for higher frequency.

Also, the recommend side dish would be a potatoe salade, which can easily be premade/bought in large quantities.

https://youtube.com/shorts/uC_TzymBeYk?si=sskJ9ZcwjjY1znXl

^^^Not the best fry, but it's a start

>>21419362
>deep fryer here in this thread. Taste-wise i advise against it
It's not different to shallow frying in a pan which is basically the same as deep frying. Tastewise the choice of fat is much more important and clarified butter should be used.