how come most of their dishes come from the ottoman era? did they even have cuisine before then?

>>21429188 (OP)
>did they even have cuisine before then?
Yes. Before the Ottomans reset them back to the stone age, they had a Greco-Roman culture.

ancient world wine is grossly underrated, fantastic QPR.

>>21429188 (OP)
What countries are still making dishes from the 15th century anyways?

>>21429216
countries from eastern europe all the way to central asia

>>21429191
>Before the Ottomans reset them back to the stone age
lol

The recipe for garum in ancient Greek and Roman cuisine is not clearly known.

>>21429188 (OP)
Come to think of it, all the disgusting Slovenian food was brought here by foreigners in the 20th century. Wanna take a closer look? Exhibit one: Serbian bean stew. Who WANTS to eat nothing but beans? Gross.

Exhibit the 2nd: pickled turnip and bean stew. Oddly enough, this abomination was concocted by ethnic Italians from Trieste and not even Eastern Europeans. Life is strange.

Exhibit 3: sour cabbage stew with beef chunks. Said to originate in Hungary, it was introduced here by the Serbs and Croats, two nations who are not aware that sour cabbage should always be eaten with large servings of roast or grilled meat, or thrown into the trash.

Exhibit 4: sour cabbage rolls. Worshipped by the Serbs and Croats as a symbol of their ethnic identity, this dish is both sour and soggy. Truly revolting. The Poles worship it too, but they at least they have the good sense not to use sour cabbage, thus making it almost passable.

Exhibit 5: this pickled turnip stew originates among the Slovenes who used to live under Hungary but likely comes from deeper in Hungary and thus Eastern Europe, that kingdom of pickled vegetables. But in any case, at least most Slovenes of old knew not to eat boiled, pickled garbage of this sort.

Exhibit 6: stuffed bell peppers. They only look revolting but to the taste they're soggy and bland, which is a step up from sour cabbage rolls. Still, you could be spending the day you make them eating real food and not soggy rice and minced meat. They can be markedly improved by making them in a sweet tomato sauce instead of the nondescript savory soup they're traditionally served in by the Serbs and Croats as well as locally.

Exhibit 7: plum and apricot jam. If this was not a Serbocroatian introduction then this entire thread is pointless, as sour jam is disgusting and only completely tasteless Eastern Europeans would eat it over actually good flavors of jam like strawberry and blueberry.

Exhibit 8: It is now time to prove that Italians also make bad food and not only those Turkified dinarids. Vegetable minestrone soup, eaten on hot days when it tastes both depressingly bland and unpleasantly hot because only a retard would eat soup on a hot day.

Exhibit 9: pasta fazool. Brought to Trieste under Fascism by Sicilian colonists and spreading from there to Slovenia, this is just more Med beanslop. Sicily is otherwise known for its distasteful cuisine, such as thick square granny pizza and fish pasta.

And exhibit 10: moussaka. Med eggplant-and-minced-meat-slop. It's always eggplant, minced meat or beans with these Meds, isn't it? Eggplant is watery and sour and should not be enjoyed by people of good taste.

Bonus round: ajvar. Balkanoids are convinced that sweet bell pepper relish belongs on grilled minced meat (of course it's minced cause the Serbs, being Meds, don't eat anything else). The morons working in Slovenian tourism tried to secure from the EU a protected designation of origin for ajvar in Slovenia (!), as though this Balkanoid paprikaslop could have been thought up by the Bavarian Slovenes of old. Even Slovenian goulash is traditionally made without bell peppers!

Bonus round #2: golaž. Slovenian goulash actually originates in Vienna where it is known as the Saftgoulasch and is much worse than an actual Hungarian goulash because it is practically nothing but cheap cuts of beef and onions. This dish is included in the bonus round because it was likely eaten here even before Yugoslavia, though probably not yet in most rural households. Depressingly dry and monotonous, you'd better heap a LOT of sour cream on this turd of a dish.

Bonus round #3: mortadella. Just slightly spicy and kind of fatty but all in all kinda meh, I would rather choose even Slovenian boar and elk pepper salami from a grazing platter over this disappointment. Included in the bonus round because mortadella, like prosciutto and gabagool, has long been cured by coastal Slovenes bordering Italy, but only reached the interior about the same time as pizza and pasta, cca. the 1970's.

Bonus round #4: The famous Croatian 'meat breakfast' as they call it, or cheap pate. Widely eaten widely by Slovenes holidaying at the Croatian seaside but mostly not otherwise, it's not really all that bad when spread on some white bread, just a little disreputable.

Bonus round the last: Croatian goulash pasta. Not really all that widespread in Slovenia but often encountered by tourists around Dubrovnik, this dish is soggy, bland and depressing. The pasta may look exciting but the goulash just doesn't go together with it at all.

Real Slovenian dishes #1: žganci. Boiled buckwheat flour that is often topped with pork rinds and served with bratwurst or blood sausage or sometimes in sour milk as breakfast or supper, this is a versatile and tasty source of carbohydrates

Real Slovenian dishes #2: Fried chicken. Recorded in Ljubljana as early as the 17th century, this popular contemporary dish is traditionally in Slovenia served with potato salad and a slice of lemon.

Real Slovenian dishes #3: ričet or ješprenj. A barley and bean stew that has been eaten here since time immemorial and often features the locally renowned carniolan sausage and other smoked meats, this Eastern European stew is notably not sour, despite being unaesthetic.

Real Slovenian dishes #4: mushroom soup. There's nothing quite so redolent of this rain-drenched highland country than a thick, hearty soup of mushrooms, carrots, celery and cubed potatoes.

Real Slovenian dishes #5: štruklji. Introduced from Graz in the early modern era, this pastry that can be served savory as a main dish or sweet with a sugar topping or alternate filling as a dessert is stuffed with the ubiquitous Slovenian cottage cheese, skuta, and topped with fried breadcrumbs.

Real Slovenian dishes the last: beef noodle stew. Adapted from a struggle meal version of Franz Josef of Austria's favorite dish of boiled beef, this soup is served at the start of every formal Slovenian dinner. This dish spread to bordering regions of Croatia too through economic migration in the late 19th century, but in Slovenia it is traditionally served without meat chunks as a broth with only carrots and noodles.

*beef noodle soup
anyway, this is a transcription of an /int/ thread I made today and was probably gonna post here anyway

>>21429957
You are right all the real dishes look much better

>>21429935
Fried chicken is not Slovenian lol. It has African American origins.

>>21430000
As I said, fried chicken has been consumed here since before African Americans really existed. It probably came from North Italy the same as the Wienerschnitzel (originally called the cotoletta Milanesa afaik), which is also a traditional Slovenian dish.

>>21429188 (OP)
>did they even have cuisine before then?
No. These peoples were steppe nomads who had recently conquered the territory themselves when the Ottomans showed up. They probably just ate whatever they could raid from civilized regions or ate their horses with raw onions or something.

>>21430003
Ok boss, I don't want to derail the thread arguing about fried chicken. The real Slovenian foods look really good but pretty much identical to the foods of surrounding countries. Euro mountain peasant food is some of the comfiest food on earth. The barley stew and the mushroom soup look delicious.

>>21430014
Slavs were neither steppe nomads nor had they come to the Balkans recently when the Turks showed up. The Slavs travelled on foot and often on boats fashioned from a single hollowed out tree. The Serbs and Croats were swine and sheep and in places goat herders, and the Slovenes and also some of the Croats close to the German border were feudal serfs tilling the land.

>>21430022
Who is stronger? The Serbs or the Croats? Whose national dish is better?

>>21429191
>Before the Ottomans reset them back to the stone age
who's gonna tell him

>>21430148
Serbian grill wins out. Gourmet pljeskavica ftw.