Will you use the ancient savoury sauce?

I just use soy sauce instead. Much easier to find in Italian supermarkets.

DID SOMEONE SAY GARUM?

>>21449574 (OP)
Mackerel made for the best garum according to de re coquinaria, which is the recipe I used.

>>21449577
I was making garum before this faggot even had a youtibe channel. Even posted a couple of threads on it here on /ck/.

>>21449574 (OP)
>And the Roman fish sauce... where is it now?
>You're looking at it, asshole

>>21449607
hehe gabagool :)

>>21449577
He only likes ancient Greece because he's a boy diddler

>>21449574 (OP)
anyone who uses worchestershire or asian fish sauce probably would

>>21449574 (OP)
>using the juices of fish rotting in the sun as a condiment
Do white people really?

>>21449574 (OP)
Reminder to limit your daily sodium intake to 3 grams. The average person consumes about 10 grams a day.

>>21449607
Garum has less salt than nam pla/nuoc mam.

>>21449583
Wasn't the best version made exclusively from tuna blood and guts?

>>21449574 (OP)
You spelled umami wrong lmao! Oh wait I mean savory, retard.

>>21449583
>>21449709
>do nothing
>insecure nobodies seethe at you in jealousy

garum bro can't stop winning

>>21449574 (OP)
Hell yes, I'd love to try it. Doesn't mean it'll be good. Remember when they found Jesus' fish recipe and it was just all lemons? Way too much lemon.
But I do want to try real Garum. The stuff I've read when people tried to make it seemed gross.
If someone makes it exact and sells it I'll buy it, but I don't wanna stink up my house trying to make it. Was it Zimmern to made it? Alton Brown? I read a cool 'unfrozen Ancient Gladiator' book where a guy comes to modern times and makes up a batch of it to remind him of his time.
'The Far Arena', by one of the Remo Williams authors. Cool book. Especially when he gets a hold of a sharp chef's knife and does his dazzling kill moves.

>>21450257
Retarded nigger. Get raped and die.

>>21449785
See, those two things are not similar in my book. I use worc on a steak, in meatloaf, on a burger. Fish sauce is something I'll use very sparingly in certain Asian dishes and a little too much can make everything gross.
I don't care how similarly they are made, one tastes like a sweet and salty vinegar and one reeks to high heaven and doesn't taste much different.

>>21449785
Worcestershire sauce isn't a fish sauce. It just contains anchovies. Stop trying to sound knowledgeable when you aren't. Actually try it first.

>>21449574 (OP)
I've been reading the noma guide to fermentation and these crazy danish fuckers make it with beef

>>21449799
>eating raw meat
Do nonwhite people really?

>>21450452
>Most famous carnivore nutcase who eats raw steaks is white

>>21449574 (OP)
>savoury sauce?

Sorry, sweaty, that' s umami now. Get with the times!

>>21450465
Sorry sweetie, savoury is the more scientific name, scientifically used by scientists like in the renowned science publication, New Scientist.

>>21450481
Garum has quite a bit of salt. That plus umami leads to savouriness

I've been thinking alot about children lately.

>>21450357
Theyre both fermented anchovies, fren. Worcestshire is like apple juice, I guess, cuz they add some stuff instead of apple cider
If you can taste the fish sauce, by the way, you used entirely much too much

>>21450354
The Italians still produce a garum based fish sauce called colatura di alici.
I'm not sure if it differs much from the roman garum or is just a specific subset but it might be an easier first step than simply making your own.

>>21450452
You rang?
'luv me pork

>>21449577
>did someone say garum?
yes that’s literally the thread

>>21449607
The major difference between nuoc nam or colatura d'alici, and true liquamen/garum is in the inclusion of the entrails.
Modern fish sauces gut the fish, then pile them with salt. This simply produces a saline extract of the oils and proteins from the meat and skins of the fish.

A true garum includes the entire digestive tract, they don't gut the fish prior to layering with salt. The digestive enzymes then proceed to break down the fish, it essentially digests itself, which results in a more nuanced flavor that is less fishy and more meaty.
Also, garums were commonly made from a variety of fishes, including mullet, tuna, mackarel and anchovy, as opposed to modern fish sauces that are usually only anchovy. Another key difference is that garum often included other spices and herbs than just the fish and salt, which were unique to each branded formulation. One of the most popular ancient liquamen brands was made with a proprietary blend of aromatic resins and spices, including cumin, rosemary, lovage and coriander.

>>21449574 (OP)
>>21449577
Technically it's called "Liquamen" if it's only the liquid part.

>>21450598
>A salty, savoury fish sauce
You are saying they were being intentionally redundant?

>>21450828
>The digestive enzymes then proceed to break down the fish, it essentially digests itself, which results in a more nuanced flavor that is less fishy and more meaty.
The autodigestion from gut enzymes increases the amount of inosinic and guanylic salts, which are extremely potent flavor enhancers.

>>21451094
Enhances the umami by synergizing with the glutamate

>>21449577
WHO SAID GAY RUM

>>21451133
We don't say that word around here

Do you not realize that garum sociorum, that expensive bloody mass of decayed fish, consumes the stomach with its salted putrefaction?

>>21451133
Based knower of umami science.

>ancient “sauce” was just water+soak something
>mmm history!!!! So good!!!
>ACK!!

>>21451307
Perhaps this thread is more to your tastes?
>>21435988

>>21451325
>lobster and steak is nigger tier
>rotten fish soaked in tap water is based!

Shut up clown

>>21451307
why do people care about things ancient people had access to + basic cooking technique

>woah they like fermented fish they got from the sea in these clay pots and its called this fancy greek word and you would not believe, its actually really salty
>wow, does it taste good?
>no

>>21451347
Why are you even on the cooking board?

>>21451284
I'm somewhat of a your mommy scientist myself.

>>21450828
>>21451094
How do you know so much about an ancient condiment that no living human has ever tasted?

>>21451048
Salt is salty. Savory isn't the same as salty. You already know this. Why do you pretend you don't?

>>21449574 (OP)
Long story how, but I've had A LOT of garum made from cow entrails. It's very reminiscent of soy sauce, but with a much richer, denser texture.

>>21452464
Because people have actually made faithful recreations and the processes were very well documented.

>>21452464
>how do you know that chicken recipe from the 1800s tastes like chicken, you've never had it

>>21452484
Savory is not a primary taste. Salty is, and so is umami.

>>21449574 (OP)
i have been semi interested in garum at various points in the past, but no, im not interested in trying soy sauce made out of fully loaded fermented fish intestines. maybe i would have back then. but now, nope, not interested in trying it. somewhat interested to hear how it is made, but if you don't want to or can't tell me, thats fine too.

>>21449577
homosexuals are not welcome

>>21453193
Then why are you here?

>>21453193
Love yourself anon

>>21449583
Post recipe garumanon, i wanna make it myself

>>21453182
Tasting History with Max Miller did a video where he made it.

>>21449607
Wrong, it's Worcestershire sauce

>>21453366
Fish is barely an ingredient in that

do people enjoy fish shit in their garum

>>21450828
neat-o

>>21449577
why this nigga look like he's got me and my girl tied up and he's trying to explain why his motives for how he's going to rape and kill us both are "the fault of the government and trump and not his responsibility"

>>21453366
Only cooklets think worse-chester sauce is anything like fish sauce/colature di alici.

>>21453163
My brother in Christ, umami IS savory.

>>21452464
There is a wealth of records that survive from ancient Roman sources, and what ancient people ate is inherently interesting for most people. Garum specifically was of extreme cultural importance for Rome for much of its existence. Similar to maybe coca-cola in the US, although Garum is a condiment not a drink - it's not hard to imagine future historians obsessing over ancient North America's love for cola and the various recipes/brands that survive to their time.

>>21453747
>Similar to maybe coca-cola in the US,
bruh

>>21453864
>bruh
What did you mean by this lil zoom-zoom?

>>21451347
Imagine being a historylet.

People care about the past because they want to understand how ancient people lived and what sensations they experienced. Every single human eats several times a day so to feel and taste what someone ate 2,000 is a small window into their lives.

If you can't understand the appeal of that, you are a retarded nigger.

>>21449607
If you’re cooking with it, it’s pointless paying for Red Boat, but in sauces or a condiment it is fucking great.

>>21453060
Their chickens were surely different

>>21453937
Normalfags don't care about history, if it happened before their birth then it might as well never happened at all.

>>21449607
I love it when zoomers and/or thirdies take a popular phrase and absolutely rape it into the ground.

>>21455113
You can still get heritage breed chickens in the states or raise them yourself. It's not difficult to find high quality chicken... Most people don't want to pay the premium for them tho.

>>21450452
>hes never had raw dawg/tartare
stop being brown

>>21455212
You literally cannot buy such thing in any store outside a small butchery, and raising your own is far too large a commitment to demand of people.