>new restaurant opens up
>Closes after a few years
>New restaurant opens up in the same location
>Closes after a few years
>New restaurant opens up in the same location

This seems like a really bad way to run an economy, why would anyone build a restaurant from the ground up when it's an inevitable failure?

>>21482465 (OP)
They've been propagandized to believe in the American Dream and cheap government loans means when their LLC fails, they just write it off and form a new LLC for $200.

i can make cheeseburgers for the entire week for like 30 bucks

Because one might eventually succeed.
I used to joke that two spots in my old 'hood were cursed. One was a hair salon but closed after the old tranny owner died and reopened as a teppanyaki joint, which closed, then as a dinerette which also closed. After a few more closures, it reopened as a pan West African spot and it's been doing well for the past several years. The other one was a… I don't even remember what it was originally, but the first restaurant there was some Mexican place that shit the bed then a fucking FANTASTIC burger joint that closed down, too (it's not on a street with much foot traffic or even traffic traffic and not near the corner so not visible to passersby from the main road; also, the place never advertised themselves so few people even knew it was there). Next was traditional Ecuadorean cuisine but nobody knows what that is so they shuttered as well. Finally, a donut spot opened up and has been going strong ever since.
That's what people hope to do. Open a lasting business where others have failed

>>21482502
Jesus. How many burgers do you eat? That would cost me about half that, assuming burgers for both lunch and dinner everyday for a week

>>21482465 (OP)
yeah but mr. greenblatt is making a killing on leasing out that location at $10k/mo

>>21482465 (OP)
If it's run by immigrants they get free money from the government to open a business and create jobs (that all go to their family or other immigrants from the same background). Same is true for other types of businesses popular with immigrants like gas stations, convenience stores and dry cleaners.

>>21482504
200g per burger 2 burgers per meal is almost 6kg of meat a week. Where are you getting meat for less than 2 euros/kg?

>>21482509
This. Rip the best taco/burrito joint we've ever had.

>>21482465 (OP)
That image has the events of the movie backwards. Who would go to such lengths but be so lazy?

>>21482465 (OP)
>surely it won't happen to ME!
People are fucking stupid narcissists and free will does not exist

>>21482910
literally how retarded redditors came up with "leopards ate my face"

>>21482539
Fat.

Getting rich off restaurants requires being a process and people expert more than being a food expert.

If you're a regular schmuck not trained at Kellogg to build pump and dump corpos to sell off to private equity, you probably don't know all the tricks and hacks that make the difference between making subsistence money and covering expenses, and making a scalable business concept that you can sell off or franchise.

I think those locations are cursed. The restaurants that open in places that aren't last much longer.

>>21482465 (OP)
Well everyone wants to build their dream restaurant and not a restaurant that will sell food people will buy and come back for.

I see so many of these places open up, and then they close shortly after. Meanwhile so many of these owners did nothing to market themselves, or make themselves a staple to the community in which they serve.

The first thing a restaurant needs to do before opening up is to get in good with the Chamber of Commerce. Meet all the important local business people. Have a grand opening with ribbon cutting and all. Then send menus out in the mail to push online orders and to incentivize people to try you out. They need to do all that shit at a bare minimum but most can't.

>>21482503
Yeah they never ever advertise themselves when sending out menus in the mail is actually pretty cheap. All these places think they're too good for basic advertising and then all of a sudden they fail because they can't sustain themselves with no customers. If anything they need to market themselves hard at first to get that steady flow of customers, and do a good enough job where they want to come back.

>>21482522
fpbp

>>21482539
Yeah. You're eating literally double the amount I do. My burgers are 100g each and one is more than enough for me.

>>21482933
>Getting rich off restaurants requires being a process and people expert more than being a food expert.
True.
Friend owns an absolutely fantastic bakery cafe. She was always great about getting great products at great prices and she was talking to me back in the day about how she's got these great deals on single origin beans and blah blah blah. She was always good with the process and paperwork side of things, but not with people.
I may have mentioned it before but when she first opened about ten years ago, she wondered why her most delicious cake, her prune cake, was so unpopular. I told her that people tend to think prunes are gross, shitty, old people food and not the sweet, delicious marvels they actually are. "Just call it plum cake and people will be all about it." So she did and it started to sell.
She was so insular in her upbringing that she couldn't fathom people would think differently than her or see the world differently than how she sees it. Homeschooler. Another friend explained to her that owning a restaurant is like being a DJ. You might like klezmer but don't nobody wanna hear that shit. Play what the people like. Cook what the people like (or rename something the people would like but won't try because icky poo yucky prunies).

>>21482995
Right?! I even told the burger people to just go to Kinko's or wherever and get s bunch of flyers to mail out, that the post office gives discounts for bulk mailing and that it would cost practically nothing per mailer but they never did. They didn't even last six months. Almost everytime I went, the only two customers there were me and my ex.
It was basically a Bob's Burgers situation. They ground meat to order, they had their standard burgers and an ever-changing burger of the day. Well, sorta. It was Monday X burger, Tuesday Y burger, Wednesday Z burger etc. The Tuesday Tex Mex was so retardedly childish in concept that it actually worked really well: the just poured a packet of taco seasoning onto the meat and fat before grinding and mixing. Formed the burgers, grilled them and served them on potato buns with Mexican blend taco cheese and fajita fixings. It was stupid good. Meatless Monday burger was a housemade falafel patty. But even the plain regular burgers were topnotch. They were an unpretentious, family owned and operated place and I was sad to see it go.

>>21483234
Lil bitch burger coming near you

>>21483234
Are you a 50kg twink?

>>21483280
185cm, 84kg

>>21483269
I work for the post office, it's about 24 cents a delivery and you can pick out an entire mail route. So the cost is usually 24.7 cents multiplied by the total amount of deliveries. It's a really easy way for them to advertise they just need to design the menu right, then bundle up and drop it off at the post office. It literally creates business. There's something about getting a menu in the mail from a new place.

>>21483269
Also it is very sad to see good places go down. If they're too cheap to advertise it usually happens though.

>>21482465 (OP)
trump's america. love it or leave it.

>>21484473
Back in my day, 1990-something, it cost $0.25 to mail a letter to somebody. With inflation increasing like crazy these days, it's a STEAL to be able mail anything at those prices, especially when when you can save $0.003 cents per delivery, Boy.
I remember when you could actually buy something for a dollar. Those were the days...

>>21484473
>>21484512
Those costs are artificially low. The postal service runs at a massive loss and revenue keeps declining year over year because fewer people send stuff through the mail. If they had to charge enough to cover costs it would cause a death spiral that kills off the last of their profit (spam mail) so taxpayers keep subsidizing them.

>>21483269
>Meatless Monday
thank God they went under

>>21484517
>how can the government just provide low-cost services to its people UGH!
kill yourself immediately

>>21484517
The USPS should've hopped on the gravy train early on and offered their own email services. I mean, the US Department of Defense invented the internet, so it wouldn't be much of a stretch for the USPS to sell email and smail (snail mail), especially considering it would make it so much easier to spy on American citizens, schizophrenics, and maybe domestic terrorists like the racist ones that were burning down cities for race related and socialist reasons.

>>21484473
The most infuriating thing is that, as far as I could tell, they didn't even advertise online. They had no online presence at all save my single Yelp review. No Facebook page. No socials. I don't even use social media but I created that Yelp specifically to try to get them some butts in seats to no avail.
It's like they wanted to fail.

>>21484542
Really?
You can't find the USPS website?
Now I know you are 20 pounds of uncooked instant ramen noodles intended for a 5 pound bag of cooked noodles.

>>21484532
>they only exist to deliver unsolicited trash most people throw away immediately
Nice service you have there

>>21484517
I think its fair per delivery, especially when each route usually has 300+ deliveries, sometimes double or triple that.

>>21484512
Yeah the prices are low so businesses can afford to advertise. We want them to mail with us. One reason why the price is low is because not much processing is involved and the mail is bundled and dropped off by the customer. Then it goes to the letter carrier and goes to every address on their route. Really great way for any restaurant to advertise. It really helps push takeout orders too. The pizza shops that have been in business for years usually know the value of sending menus in the mail. It literally creates business.

>>21484542
Yeah it sounds like they didn't even try, that's unfortunate.

>>21484578
>Yeah it sounds like they didn't even try, that's unfortunate.
Back in my day, we usually tried to hire people that majored in business management to run our restaurants.

>>21484588
idk you don't really need to major in anything, just have experience or just pay the right people to help you. Some place pay marketing companies to market for them. Others do more of it themselves. Some do none of it at all. The problem is if they're a one man show they're not going to be able to do it all.

>>21484593
>The problem is if they're a one man show they're not going to be able to do it all.
So, to summarize, it's better to NOT hire someone that has been trained to manage a business to be a restaurant manager, right?

>>21484600
they're probably not going to apply for the Gm position at a local restaurant.

>>21484600
Are you fucking retarded?

>>21484603
>they're probably not going to apply for the Gm position at a local restaurant.
I literally have a bachelor's degree in business management and I have applied for hundreds of GM positions over the decades, and they have all turned me down.
I guess those fucking retards enjoy failing.

>>21484608
They want proof you understand the jobs of the people around you and can actually manage a restaurant, not proof you sat in a classroom fucking around on your phone then cheated on papers and tests with ChatGPT.

I know a few GMs in restaurants (some fast food and some sit down) and they all started as waiters or kitchen staff or some other hands on role. The GM for many of my state's Little Caesars locations has never been inside a college classroom. She started working there as a basic bitch wagie earning minimum wage the same day I also started working there as a basic bitch minimum wagie 15 years ago. She built a career there while I moved on to something else but we kept in touch. Judging by how they keep growing she's doing it right and her education is irrelevant.

>>21484550
What in the fuck are you on about?
>>21484578
It really was unfortunate, yeah. The only thing they had on the menu that I didn't fuck with were the sweet potato fries and that's just because I don't like sweet potatoes.
You know what the thoroughly meh donut place does that the other restaurants in that spot didn't? Advertise. They're aggressive on social media and put a sandwich board on the corner of the main road and their little alleyway side street to get people in. Plus the smell of fresh donuts gets people in the door, too.

>>21482465 (OP)
>why would anyone build a restaurant from the ground up when it's an inevitable failure?

As an accountant that's worked in a bunch of different industries and small businesses, the number one of rule of business that've discovered so far is this: "exciting" businesses always go under, and the most boring shit on Earth just prints cash.

Restaurants, bars, luxury RE, tech start-ups, etc, make zero fucking money and are constantly on a thin margin (or running off daddy's/hubby's money) always 12 seconds away from bankruptcy. Usually the owners are chasing a "dream" (aka social status) and banks are always willingly to loan out at >15% to these suckers, both to suck them dry and in the miniscule chance they become the next Chipotle. Meanwhile the man that owns a cardboard box factory or builds septic tanks or makes niche software for banks or whatever is always 100% unfathomably, degenerately wealthy and thinks nothing of dropping $100k in Aspen or daily drinking $500 scotch.

>>21482465 (OP)
It's not inevitable there are just a lot of terrible business owners and a restaurant is one of the harder businesses to run successfully. Also location is one of the biggest things to do with it. Even if it's a legitimately good place, if it's a pain to get to you're not making a lot of money

>>21482465 (OP)
Businesses have a life cycle. The market is not about creating something eternal, it's about creating something that brings in revenue for an expected length of time.
A new restaurant builds a market with low prices and high quality. Then they start cutting back and charging more to bring in more money. When people eventually stop going there, they close. The restaurant owner made money for those few years and moved on when it was no longer profitable, probably to do it again somewhere else. If this is a mystery to you then you're destined to be a wageslave.

>>21483269
I'm usually a hardcore chudcel about vegetarian substitutes in food, but a felafel burger actually sounds tasty. Would try.

>>21484923
I don't see falafel as a meat substitute, same with mushroom burgers. Theyre just their own thing and both are excellent

>>21484494
He wasn't president when it closed tho

it went from ihop to <city> breakfast to seafood to mexican restaurant. the mexican part has been doing extremely well, parking lot is always full

>>21484608
dude you're a retard for even wasting your time applying when they're looking for someone who has other restaurant management experience or who had worked in restaurants for years.

Also getting a business degree is a joke it's the easiest fucking degree to get in college with very little effort, real world experience matter more. Hope ya still found on opportunity somewhere else though.

>>21484626
It's true, someone who knows the ins and outs of a place that they worked at would be more desirable to hire than someone who just sat in a classroom.

>>21484693
Yeah donut places can get away with advertising like that. They don't have to do much but maintain social media and a presence in their community.

>>21484517
>>21484535
What the USPS should do is become a government service only. As in they will send you mail from the IRS and the Sheriff and so on, but no commercial mail. If you want to get a package delivered, use one of the numerous services that do that (ups, fedex, etc) and if you want to deliver a hand-written christmas card to your grandma, that's cute but ultimately an extremely niche use for which a replacement service (possibly offered by one of the package guys) would appear overnight. They would just charge you $4 per envelope, which is fine because you send <5 per year.

>>21484608
If you learned anything applicable in the real world from your "business degree" you would know to round that bachelor's in management up to an MBA. Maybe claim a better school, too, like your local real university instead of the community college you went to.

>>21485562
nah that sounds like a bad business model.
I actually work for one of their departments and report to HQ. They make the majority of their revenue off packages. You want them to kill their cash cow and focus on mail? Which btw first class mail and marketing mail volume is going down and projected to continue to go down even more as more and more places go paperless.

>>21485579
I want them to stop even pretending to try to be profitable, which will never happen anyway, and just function as a government organ that delivers legal notices or documents and does essentially nothing else. The current situation of
>mail is 99.9% instant trash
>0.1% you go to jail if you don't open this
Needs to end. Plenty of other places deliver packages just fine. The USPS does not need to do that.

>>21485596
Yeah they do, delivering packages is a necessary service and we do it for cheaper than the competition. No offense but your ideas are retarded. The post office is well aware of where they're losing money, which is why there is a 10 year plan going. They aren't pretending to be profitable, although they did recently have a profitable quarter which hasn't happened in years.

When I go out to eat it's basically for three reasons
>convenience
I am traveling and want the easiest thing possible that isn't totally disgusting. See: sub chains that aren't subway, panda express, mcdonalds from desperation
>intermediate
I have some time for lunch so I go to a "sit down" or upper end chain place that I can expect to spend 30-60 min in and get some decent food I didn't pay a ton of money for
>nice
I take my woman out and we have a nice dinner

The problem with a lot of restaurants I feel is they overstep their mark. I can forgive a basic pub n grub if they are too expensive or too slow or the food isn't great but not all three at the same time. Some restaurants have the gall to charge $25 not including tax and tip in burgerstan and somehow fail at all three. Either improve the service time, the quality, or the price. No reason to wind up paying $35 total for a burger and a drink that takes half an hour to come out and isn't that good in the first place. I know running a restaurant is expensive and they can't lower their costs always but if you can't compensate in the other two areas it's a no go. The best places seem to be basic bar & grills in the boonies who are never great but not terrible and the service is fast plus nothing basic really costs more than like $17

>>21482504
$15 for 14 fully loaded burgers? No it wouldn't.

>>21482901
There isn't a movie with such events.

>>21485095
Even Gardenburgers are great. The cheese ones can be deep fried until crispy and loaded up with more cheese and bacon.

It's the soy protein shit that tries to mimic the look and texture of beef which are wrong in the eyes of nature.
I'll eat beef all day but I like other things too. Black bean based burgers can be great as well.

>flag with creases in it

>>21485562
>you send <5 per year
Jesus. Like I asked in another thread when some unlovable friendless cunt said nobody knows 50 people: how socially impoverished are you fucking fucknuts?

>>21486458
I know a good handful and send out zero per year so there's that

>>21486524
Ha! Okay then! Fair enough. It's mostly a family thing, I guess. In my home country (I live in America now, though) cards are customarily only sent as death notices. Like, after my mother died while visiting me here, I had to send out 88 cards to friends and family back home. We don't really do the greeting card thing you do here but the missus and her best friend send so many damn cards and we get so many that I just kind of assumed that everyone does that.

>>21482465 (OP)
Because they make good money at their dental practice and all their friends at the last dinner party told them they're a great cook, so why not put some of that dentist money into starting a restaurant!

Cooking for 10 people once a year is the same as cooking for 50 people 6 nights a week, every week, right?

>>21486748
If you set it up cafeteria style, it's doable. A lot of restaurants in my area are cafeteria style IE you walk along the glass counter, look at the hot shit you want and they scoop you up a meat and two veg with a starch, like at a mall food court Chinese place, for something like $10. For example, there's an African joint near work that's gotten popular for being delicious, cheap and not stingy with portions and that's how they do it.
A local mall in my old area had independent Jamaican, Indian and Mexican places doing that, too, and they were pulling in good business until the mall closed. Now that it's reopened as a "destination" place, the mall sucks and all the shops and restaurants that made it neat are gone. Nobody should go to a fucking mall for wine tasting and a hotel stay.

>>21482465 (OP)
>>21482503
I know a couple places like this
one is the shop front next to the elevator at caringbah station in sydney. why? cause everyone waiting for the 988 bus (comes literally once after school and is always late) sits in front of it on milk crates because there are no fucking benches
maybe there are now, i haven't been there in 6 years
another spot is this abandoned section of the fortitude valley train station shops in brisbane. been like that for years, the old signs are still on the doors even. one would think a high traffic location like that would be refurbished quickly

>>21486849
I love train station spots. Used to be one I would go to that was a Korean joint. Really good food and surprisingly cheap considering how overpriced Korean restaurants always are.

>>21482465 (OP)
I've seen the exact same restaurant, run by one brother, flourishing packed, run by the other brother and hit rock bottom, so there's parameters there

>>21486458
What kind of fucking...
>>21486649
Phew, okay, you ARE a thirdie. White people in the US, other than the elderly, do not send effectively anything by mail. If somebody dies, you will get a phone call. I have a bunch of friends but since they're under 65 years old, none of our communication is done via the postal service.

>>21486777
What country is this? I'm assuming either non-America, or an Asian enclave if America.

>>21484608
lmao you obviously think very highly of yourself and your ideas and you'd probably run the place into the ground

>>21487980
Huh. You might be onto something. Yeah, I live in an extremely Asian-y area but those restaurants aren't Asian at all. The mall I mentioned, The Gallery (now called The Fashion District), was in Philadelphia, a block from Chinatown.
>>21487969
I'm from Italy. Death telegrams are likely never going away. Google it. I'm sure dinner twee cunt learned about them last Tuesday and wrote an article about it in BuzzFeed it some shit. It's just tradition at this point.
While neither I nor my wife are AMERICAN American (my dad was born a US citizen so I was, too, despite being born and raised abroad), all those people we get cards from are. And all white, actually. Maybe it's a class thing? Now that I think of it, they're all upper middle or upper class.