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Since the site is back, for now, anyone have story/continuity/fandom gripes they want to talk about?

Any new artists you've discovered?

Ships?

I like everything unpopular and think JazzOp would be great if more people wrote Jazz as a little shitty for OP instead of offloading that on Prowl in the endless JazzProwl ocean. I like ships with a bit of turbulence and the push for 'safe' pairings make most content a little(very much so) boring.

>>3962750
>I like everything unpopular
Same. And when I same unpopular I mean shit like Xaaron/Impactor, Tyrest/Star Saber or Kroma/Macabre.
I usually prefer the side characters over the central ones (not all, but most) and like the exploration aspect that comes with writing or reading about rare pairs. They also tend to have cooler designs IMO. Not a big fan of car-bots lol. More of the flier and heavy machinery guy. Think the most popular pairing I love is senator Shockwave/Orion.

>>3962927
I didn't like IDW because MTMTE was so pandery and the other comics couldn't decide if they wanted to just be Bay's tf or not.

Windblade's run is probably when I genuinely enjoyed them. But you can thank Sarah Stone for that one.

Marvel Comics put me on board with OP/Scorpinok and Megaratch.

>>3962949
Marvel pairings are great. Xaaron/Impactor stems from there as well and I also ship Galvatron with Cyclonus thanks to Marvel. I have never seen western fanart of them I think, seems to be more popular in Japan.
I don't interact much with the western fandom outside of anon boards anymore because most of them seem to be into the same few pairings that I unluckily don't care about or they prefer fanon over canon and fanon usually bores me, especially if it's fluff. Notice how Horri-Bull/Needlenose is a canon gay pairing but nobody talks about it because they're "problematic". I just think they're fun and underrated as hell.

>>3962963
Cyclonus and Galvatron's relationship in G1 was peak. The best. The mental health clinic episode is what got me to see it. Cyclonus was loyal and attentive even before he knew he was fucked in the head. I prefer pairings that make for great fanfiction. So while I can like the biggest in the fandom (opmeg) it matters more to read fanwork instead of just seeing the art.

>nobody talks about it because they're "problematic"
Not only problematic but they aren't 'pretty' I am 100% sure the only reason some pairings even get attention is because they're the most humanoid or share familiar physical traits westerners can identify. The more like two gay twinks (or women without being women) they can resemble, the higher the chance of discussion.

Cygate is the epitome of this. I hate their look, their dynamic, and how bland and boring they are even in the comics. Strong, tall seme/ girly uke hasn't interested me since I was 14. But they dominate the western fanart.

Not to say there's anything wrong with liking pairings for being attractive. As a KOSS and wavewave enjoyer, I get it. But it's the safety (or the lack of accepting anything outside) that makes the western fandom so frustrating to engage with. Try talking about Starscream without Jetfire, KO without Breakdown (even though their relationship was in IDW exclusively), or Prowl without Jazz. All safe, all conventionally attractive, and all boring as hell

>>3962969
>The more like two gay twinks (or women without being women) they can resemble, the higher the chance of discussion.
Yeah this is why Rodimus and Drift are among the most popular characters and shipping favorites. They aren't bad at all as characters, but I noticed that most of their fans draw them like anime girls with curves and interpret them as such. The other case is Starscream, an actually great character but he's often reduced to the battered hoursewife or moe blob for fluff.

I always wondered why a franchise about genocidal wars, dictatorships and war crimes attracted these people to begin with.
>Cygate is the epitome of this.
Tbh I liked Cyclonus' part in this. Aka the development he got. But I never liked Tailgate. His design isn't for me and he acted like an egoistic brat till the end of the series. I hope I am not scaring their fans now. I am totally fine to see pretty art of any of the characters. But I never liked him, or the pairing.
To me it always made more sense to leave them be teacher/bratty student. Cyclonus should still get his development, but he doesn't need love for that. I LOVE him but he always struck me as asexual. And if I imagine him in a relationship in IDW1 it would be either Nova Prime, Galvatron (again) or maybe even Whirl but him Tailgate.

>>3962969
According to the lesbian humanformers drawing from Milne, Tailgate tops btw

>>3962969
Knockout and Breakdown yes, because they were introduced as a pair in TFP.
But this absolutely does not apply to Starscream and Prowl, at least not to the extent you're implying. Yes, Starscream's most popular pairing is still Jetfire, but Starscream is absolutely not 100% tethered to him like KOBD is. Prowl even less so, considering how many people like you have been complaining about JazzProwl (which has become less popular), and how diverse his relatively newer ships have been. In fact, a lot of the modern JP art I come across originate from chinese, japanese and russian artists, not just english speaking artists (I refuse to use "western fandom" when its clearly encompassing every single online persona that uses english despite not being from the US).

>>3962963
>Horri-Bull/Needlenose
I don't ship them even if they're "canon" because I don't know them.
I didn't read much of idw1 anon.
Shipping isn't about what's canon or not, its just about which characters you want to see fucking. This should not need repeating in 2025.

>>3963085
And yet the fandom at large likes the boring pairings regardless. Anime fandoms may be worse in literally any context, but if it's one thing they have it's shipping dexterity. Every nonsensical pair imaginable has art and discussions. On both sides of the planet.

Another huge thing, to me- are personality shifts. This goes for every fandom, but I genuinely love to see a remixed version of a character that doesn't make them OC skin/metal-walkers. Like Roleswap AU, Shattered Glass, Amnesia AU (aka that one novella), I have a lot of unpopular ideas I try to bring out with my fanfiction, starting threads on tumblr, and attempting to do so on other sites. Not a lot of attention but better to make it exist if someone else wants to join in.

>>3963084
I follow a lot of artists on tumblr. Skystar is still a hit and will warrant bringing up Jetfire by some degree. Maybe it depends on how curated your socials are, but from my end, it's still strong just as much as JazzProwl.

For me, it's all-megs. Megabee, Megashock ect. He's got relationships in all media with more than just OP and it often doesn't extend past that. Besides IDW crumbs

>>3963074
Is this a Hot Motor Oil thing? Also, I think I'd have liked Tailgate a lot more if the disconnected, million years old man came out. Gap moe is dead.

>>3963104
Yeah, its from HMO.
I'll post it in the /aco/ thread because women.

>>3963103
>And yet the fandom at large likes the boring pairings regardless
That's most fandoms anon. Popular ships are popular. And I don't subscribe to ship elitism anymore; ships are as interesting or as boring as any individual fan makes them out to be. Sure, some people have the most bland rehashed MegOP takes ever, and I roll my eyes at them, but that doesn't mean I don't like MegOP in my own way.
That said, my current obsession is still TaraProwl (it keeps the rent low on my socials)

>>3963105
I really want to get my hands on a copy but Milne apparently is dying of whatever the fuck happened to his leg and every update about it sounds worse.

>>3963107
I'm not claiming they're lesser or mine are better, I'm claiming that they're boring.

And deviation from them is often met with silence. That's the annoying part. I tend to read through New posts not popular just to find what people are talking about and sometimes I'll find a dedicated shipper of a dynamic I too like. But they're extremely hard to come by.

Personally, I'd like to see more noncon and power imbalance. OP/Meg/Sentinel taking advantage of their positions to keep doing wrong.

>>3963084
>a lot of the modern JP art I come across originate from chinese, japanese and russian artists, not just english speaking artists
Yeah same. In fact I like almost none of the US art, even the English speaking artists I admire are usually from Russia, Europe or random other countries. Most US artists try too hard to make it look like calarts or a nickelodeon cartoon or draw male bots like fat curvy human women. There are exceptions of course but algorithm is hiding the others since I never "like" that sort of stuff.

>>3963085
I never said that. My point is that most fans only read one single comic series (usually mtmte) or one cartoon and ignore the rest or only know them from memes so they all ship the same shit because they don't even know more than 20 characters. I only mentioned the canon to make it obvious that nothing can make fans ship anything that isn't mainstream enough to make it into their tiktok timeline.
>its just about which characters you want to see fucking.
Never hinted otherwise. I want to see Horri-Bull and Needlenose fuck because I think they're hot and consider their personalities fun, just as with all the other IMO great pairings that nobody talks about.

>>3963103
>For me, it's all-megs. Megabee, Megashock ect. He's got relationships in all media with more than just OP and it often doesn't extend past that. Besides IDW crumbs
I can understand this. I am even a fan of IDW1 MegOP because they felt deeply depended on each other and the pairing was aggressively hinted, in a fun way I mean. And the end is so bittersweet that I would love to see more fan interpretations and AUs of it. Legends and Cyberverse MegOp was great too.

But in the last years I grew a bit tired of the ship, especially since it's everywhere, no matter the continuity. It's even among the most popular ships for series in which OP and Megs' only interaction are a few villain vs hero one liners. I can kinda understand why Megatron fans would love to see something else already. I have already seen people hyping up Skybound for MegOp and they didn't even talked to each other yet.

>>3963107
>my current obsession is still TaraProwl (it keeps the rent low on my socials)
TaraProwl is probably my favorite Prowl ship. Followed by Constructions/Prowl sixsome and IDW1 Sentinel Prime/Prowl.

>>3963286
>everywhere
Oversaturation of Skystar in the fandom is genuinely what got me to hate it despite not actually disliking it. I thought the G1 episode was really great. Starscream's voice is rarely ever level and it was one of the three times where he spoke 'normally' and it was so refreshing.

But that's it.

When I want to look at fanart of one, they always come with the other.

MegOp in every universe doesn't bother me, but I think they should do as they did in Animated and re-do the dynamic. Megatron didn't give a single shit about OP to the point where he couldn't be bothered to know his name. He had no obsession, he just wanted to kill him and move on with his life. That was fun. Friends to Enemies isn't bad, but I want more cases like Earthspark where they moved on together.

An ending where they both live, and actually rebuild is something I don't think that's ever been touched on. It's always on Earth, and colonization of Earth based territory. I'd love to see them both go back home, and even if it's a novel like Aligned, it'd be great to have a Hasbro approved psuedo-canon. And while Netflix had the building blocks to make it happen, it didn't. And I genuinely wish it did

A quick add. I know they do this in Cyberverse but I wouldn't call it rebuilding.

They put tape on the ground like a sitcom and stayed in their side. I meant actual interaction, shaky cooperation and getting over the fact that they both killed their entire population.

>>3963302
I don't see much of Skystar or Jazzprowl because I don't follow any of the fans of this otherwise I might genuinely be annoying by it too. At least Megastar (not even actively shipping it) has a lot of fuel of different flavors depending on the series and it's in every series. Some pairings just feed off of one or two scenes for 30 years straight and were never particularly interesting to me in the first place.

At some point tumblr decided that Megastar is problematic and you saw much more Rungmegs and Skystar afterwards. The relative absence of the tumblr fandom is one of the reasons for why I only hang around on twitter since 2018.
>An ending where they both live, and actually rebuild
Same. This is one of the reasons for why I liked CV so much. As you said, not really rebuilding, but close enough. At least we saw them buddying up after the war. Legends ended so well with the Megs/OP alliance (that looked like a marriage).

My taste is a bit fucked. I prefer more "mature" series that touch dark topics but at the same time I dislike edgy shit. The best TF stories are those with cool sci-fi/cyberpunky ideas and some serious content that avoid ever becoming outright dark. The current comic run is a bit too bleak too for my taste. Not bad, but boring despite all the action. But maybe that's just me.

>>3963407
I like the novels. They toe the line between teen and straight adult. It's content is of course for younger people, fans of the show who also read at libraries, ect. But the tone of them sometimes veers so hard into being an adult political drama it takes a page of 5th grade reading wordplay to remind you that it is for, generally, children

I have yet to read them all, but I had fun with Covenant. Megatronus and Solus were not a relationship I expected, neither was the absolute ride that was the final chapter that glazed over their trip across the galaxy.

>>3963415
I wish IDW and Skybound would bring that back. Novels are always a good idea because there is a lot you can bring up in them that would never make it into a comic. You could use them to explore cities besides Iacon from the POV of a different bot who doesn't get screentime otherwise. You can do so much with it and with Ruckley being a novel writer and worldbuilding fan first and foremost you would already have one perfect candidate.
That aside novels are cheap to make. Way cheaper than comics. It's not unusual for anime or game adjacent novels to be better than the main story IMO.

PS.: Does anybody here remember the Overlord/Trepan/FortMax shipper koch43? Seems like she returned. Pic related. She's also releasing a doujinshi. https://x.com/Ciko43siko/status/1915744752588472661
The fact that she posts in English gives me hope that she might sell it online too. Outside of weibo and lofter I mean which I can still not access anymore.

>>3963509
Random page because I think it looks great and I want it.

>>3963509
The aligned novels go to different planets and makes all of them feel like a lived in one.

They had Six Flags (six lasers which I find so funny. did they have the commercials as well?), a comedy joint, and so many businesses that felt like there was more to them than standing or walking as we generally see in media. I know, they drink, but as much as I dislike JRO's self-indulgence, I do love how much life be brought to their society. But were the comics have hard limits- novels can describe anything.

Also I can't seem to find that panel of Tesarus kissing that other bot with the brain in his mouth. But it's things like that the novels would absolutely get a pass for, because nobody at hasbro's checking for it. I am hoping with Skybound bringing in so many new readers, that they'll eventually lean back on selling the novels- even if it's digital sales. e-books are still profitable, and I think a lot of people would appreciate an audiobook version.

I know One had its own novelization but all anyone talks about is the train sequence which makes me think they didn't try to do more with the world itself

>>3963519
>I know One had its own novelization but all anyone talks about is the train sequence which makes me think they didn't try to do more with the world itself
Yeah AFAIK it's just a retelling of the movie so there isn't much of a difference. I agree I want stuff that expands the universe. Even short stories are often cool, like the Wrecker's short novels or the extras in some of the IDW1 volumes.
>I know, they drink
A funny drinking scene where some of the characters socialise would do wonders for the Skybound characterizations, but I rarely ever saw 2D stories from the US bringing up alcohol in a neutral or positive context, maybe it's an American thing.

>>3963533
>maybe it's an American thing.
Drinking is a lot like sex. It's one of those things where it genuinely depends on who the show runners are because it'll get demonized or glorified. There's no middle or neutral territory. If you you bring up substances, you end up with hardcore Raegan supporters or anti-establishment 'be gay do crimes'. Especially in kid's media where it's exclusively dealing with the extreme because there WILL be an anti smoking/drinking agenda attached. (not really a thing in adult media but I mean specifically YA-T)

I really liked how they showed it in CV where the drinking was just a thing that happened. Everyone was otherwise preocupied with their factions to partying. That said, I like the characters as robots firsts, humans second. If they drink or smoke, I'd like to see more cases like Animated actually, where there seemed to be a purpose for why they would choose oils of different grades.

Megatron had his own, the autobots probably had fucked up diesel.

>>3963544
>If you you bring up substances, you end up with hardcore Raegan supporters or anti-establishment 'be gay do crimes'.
Is that really how people view alcohol there? I don't know anybody who fits into any of those group. Most teens and adults just drink alcohol casually while they're hanging out with their friends in a park or a restaurant, hookah bar or at home. It's like eating together or something. And beer is a good thirst quencher.

>>3963551
>Is that really how people view alcohol there
It's not that, it's specifically how alchohol is viewed in media not for adults.

It often comes with a warning, or in the infamous cases of 4kids, is aggressively over explained to not be alcohol.

I think One Piece said it was Orange Juice in their dub. tl;dr explanation.

Depictions of substances in cartoons isnever just two adults drinking. Despite in real life, parents and adults drink around kids all the time. I recently watched Cars 2, and there is a mention of alcohol at the very beginning. But it isn't called that. It's "his usual." and the mixing of the drinks, despite them going into cocktail and wine glasses, isn't addressed directly. No one ever 'has a beer.' It's like knowing what alchohol is, is a bad thing. Makes a lot more sense if you grew up watching cartoons in the US. Because explaining it sounds like literal nonsense. But it's something that relies entirely on whoever's in charge giving the okay to depict it in any way. Gravity Falls even has a moment where Stan and Stanford share a flask, and it's the only time they do so. One scene, in the final season, I'd say, 2 episodes till the end? I forgot. But it was very much a 'we wont be getting anything new' type of move

>>3961820
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>>3962750
I've been using the tumblr confessions blog to vent and dump my negative feelings lmao. One of my confessions was about how much I hate StarBee.

>>3963115
>I'm claiming that they're boring.
As anon said, they're only as boring as you make them lol.
>>3962963
>Horri-Bull/Needlenose
They're not popular because they're barely seen in the series at all. I was looking for them, but we never get to see them interact. Nobody talks about it because there's nothing to talk about. If only aesthetically pleasing mechs were popular then CyGate wouldn't be popular because Tailgate is one of the ugliest designs ever.

>>3963724
I wish the mod of that tumblr would limit submissions to confessions.

Yelling at people and starting fights anonymously is what 4chan is for. Most of the confessions are not confessions, just people too scared to use this site

>>3962750
Just that I never really interacted with the fandom because I cannot find any English speaking people who are into the same characters and ships as I. And because fans are too shipping focused to the point at which they only read a TF story if it contains their favorite(s) and don't give a shit about anything else. I always like the whole story of a series otherwise I wouldn't read it and I want to talk about the plot and think of What-If AUs or pasts that aren't shown.

I like ShockOP but the only person I found who is a fan is turning them into (IMO) ugly humanformers and headcanons Shockwave as they/them so that didn't help. Maybe there is a chance for MegOP since I also like it, albeit it's not among my favs. But the only time I joined a related discord it turned out that the fans were just talking about lesbians and were hating on people shipping Megs or OP with anybody else so I left. I hate fandom turf wars.

>>3963725
>They're not popular because they're barely seen in the series at all. I was looking for them, but we never get to see them interact.
Same is true for JazzProwl though. Hell, fans ship stuff like OP/Starscream, if we are only talking about more recent things.

>>3963735
I tend to pick through tumblrs from English speaking, non-Americans. Or people like shockeyv who sometimes reply to comments on their posts. So much less American politically charged opinions or the usual self-inserting to the point where it doesn't feel like they're talking about characters but other US Americans.

I. Hate. Reading blogposts about characters who are tethered to a ship and not the story.

Writing fanfic is fun, but I wish I could talk to people about where the story will go without it being about instant story gratification when that is not the point. No one points out the details I give about politics or how broken I intentionally make the world (except one bless them) because I like writing about AUs that could happen if the age rating was simply turned all the way up.

I've read so many dark AU stories and they all read the same. OP as the girl, Meg as the alpha. Decepticons as a society are the most interesting thing because what happens if you let them win- and fast forward 10 years. Not a long time in terms of canon but more than enough to establish communications, government (if any) and establishments.

I'm not a big Shockwave fan as a creator, but I love seeing what people do with him. And often times, that is nothing. They don't take anything from his character in any continuity.

Marvel's cunning
IDW's lonliness
Prime's sensitivity (in the books)

He's fascinating if you write him with nuance but people just don't. Art gets a pass because it's funny.

>>3963724
https://www.tumblr.com/coffezit0s/780683901497655296/i-colored-some-doodles

>>3963713
>Predicament
Fuck I need more of this. We can do so much with robot anatomy, but predicament bondage remains criminally underused.

>>3963732
Most confessions are people too much of a pussy to post their unpopular opinions on their main socials, or they're antis who don't want to look bad in front of their mutuals kek.
I continue avoid seeking out this mythical confession blog because I don't care for the opinions of spineless cucks. Now if its a fetish blog submission, then its a different story because the anonymity adds flavour.

>>3963841
imagine being 50% wires and doing nothing with them.

You can do everything without the limits of suspension (i mean gravity) or even go alt mode and lift them like they're at a car repair.

>>3963843
>look it up
>I want to suck x dick
>80% of posts are wanting to fuck or be fucked by a bot
Weak.

I hope piss confession anon is here, they were by far the best submissions

soralooove

>>3963844
>>I want to suck x dick
>>80% of posts are wanting to fuck or be fucked by a bot
No hate to self inserters, but yeah, most of the fanbase have pretty weak smut power levels. You need to find niche circles that love dealing with the body horror aspects of robot fucking to get anywhere, especially with mpreg (most people who "fuck with" mpreg just want to skip to the cuddly babymaking stuff instead of the raw violence of birth from a spark fissure or egg laying etc)

>>3963853
I'm glad that you get it anon, because it's lonely here.

I'd genuinely like valveplug if it was more horrific. The snap of metal hinges because of incompatible frames. Would love to see it. And maybe, somewhere, 'aftports.'

Mechpreg too.

It's established how they're born, but sure, I'd love to read egg laying. If it sucked. But it never does. I guess that makes me more of a horror enjoyer, because seeing untagged egg preg when I scroll is like looking at the air.

There's this one egg laying fic I read for Reno from the FF7 series. It's body horror, painful, gross. One of my favorites. People claim they're freaks, when they really, I think it's the robo factor. Every single thing I find boring about the fandom, I think could simply be improved by making it hurt, or not writing it as traditional m/f smut.

I'm not really hateful of the concept of fandom ideas, I just hate their execution. Which is generally the majority. If I could enjoy a man and a woman telling each other how much they want each other and finishing with a cumshot, and then fast forwarding to after they've had twins- then I don't think I'd have made it out of Naruto.

>inb4 make it yourself
I do. It gets some traction but I'll never beat AO3's creator's impact. Hate to make the complaints tiresome and repetitive, but the frustration outweighs the consideration

>>3963859
I highly recommend following creators or blogs who deal with TF eggpreg, it's a fetish that rarely disappoints, plus those same creators also temd to deal with much harder stuff in general. Eggslices on twitter is one example.

It's fascinating how seeing a recent poor execution of a trope or kink can turn you off of it for a while.
Dear mutual, how do you make a serial killer AU completely sauceless despite using eroguro elements?

>>3963864
who was it, Rung?

>>3963866
Worse, megop.

I don't hate megop, hell I like megop, as stated before. But the curse of it being a super popular ship is that there are inevitably a lot and lot of lousy sauceless takes on them.

>>3963868
Very sorry you had to read that. It's how I feel reading 90% of Megop noncon.

I wish I had the time to draw and write all my personal takes. Because I've got way too many ideas that are not widely acceptable but I can only write so much without just hurting my hands.

I've been trying to stay focused on my current WIP but then I thought of Tarn catching Drift (let's say he's there when he and Ratchet get married) and it turns into DJD mindbreak. I don't have the time to write all of that. Normally, I would find someone who makes the things I like and be satisfied seeing their version of it, but transformers just doesn't.

No one cheats, no one has a crippling addiction (in fanon) and I struggle to even find good loosening of morals. This stuff's just so standard elsewhere, I feel like I'm walking through a shopping center and can't find a shoe store.

>>3963735
>Same is true for JazzProwl though. Hell, fans ship stuff like OP/Starscream, if we are only talking about more recent things.
Be for real, Jazz and Prowl interact a fair bit in IDW1, the Marvel comics, in TFA they share an arc, and even in G1 they at least share the same scenes. TFP OP and Starscream have several scenes together, not to mention the G1 short story where Starscream gets amnesia and is taken in by OP, and for every other continuity they at least interact on screen once. Horri-Bull and Needlenose barely appear together in like 3 panels. What do the fans even have to work with, lol?

Turmoil is hot. I need more black bots.

>>3963853
I loved those fics in which Pharma is fucking with Ratchet's torso while his detached head is watching and feeling everything. Or the classic: detached head dick sucking.
Have to make use of the creative options robot bodies are giving you.

>>3963868
This is why I distanced from MegOp around 2022. My enjoyment will eventually return, but right now I am kinda fed up with the endless tired "old tired dads" takes on them and girlboss/something*-wife jokes (I forgot those meme terms, but they often call big dudes [word]wife these days instead of dude).

>>3963904
I don't really like Pharma that much (blame the comic tone of voice) but I'm disappointed whenever no one does anything with Ratchet's detached head. Or the look on his face when splitting a body completely in half. Medical horror is actually why I like Shockwave so much. He creates Rack and Ruin in Prime's continuity, and Shadow Striker in CV.

Maybe I'm not searching hard enough, but doctors are sadly under utilized by the whole fandom. Prime Ratchet planting a bomb in laserbeak as a decoy to a bigger bomb reminded me of Metal Gear Solid Ground Zeroes when Skullface does this to Paz.

I made the connection because Wheeljack's voice is Skullface.

The sexual evil they can do, or even emotional, is limitless. Knock Out probably gets by far the most attention, but only with him sobbing over Breakdown. They can make a hole to fuck anywhere on anyone's body or give someone a sex change on a whim, and all I got is shitass old man yuri.

Shameful.

>>3963907
I admit I didn't even know Knock Out was a doctor. I couldn't stomach Prime so I dropped it before he appeared. I always considered Breakdown hot though albeit not KO lol
Too twinky and BD as the more relatable personality in IDW. Not sure about Prime. Would watch TFP for them if it wasn't for those godawful kids and the (IMO) very ugly and annoying version of Arcee.

>>3963913
Prime is great when the kids sans Raf are invisible. That show has aged, but it actually isn't bad. It's just Miko and Jack that drag every single episode into the bedrock.

The movie, which is the finale, cuts them out completely and is just one long episode, and it's so, so nice to just have the bots. But during that time of TF, there was a stupid emphasis on having the white kid, the Mexican and the Asian. That was the formula hasbro specified which is why Armada has them when it does not need them. Prime could have been the same with just Raf to be the human, and Fowler to be the military human, and it would have been great.

Miko nearly got me to not watch Season 3 I hated her so much. Jack's only crime is being important, if that makes sense. Like Sam. They need him because they need a human male protag- not a person for their talents or skills.

>>3963918
It's funny that they never seem to realise that people hate the humans they try to shove in the hardest. I hope that MtmtE, IDW2, Cyberverse and ONE make bot-only settings more acceptable because there is so much unused potential and shit to explore that we haven't gotten into yet because most series are too busy repeating the same "kids stumble upon magical mcguffin causing Autobots to befriend and babysit them"-plot to explore the world.

>>3963920
The novels don't have them, and they have the best world building ever.

The Covenant of Primus is 100% just about their world, politics, relationships and the one mention of humans is because it's written like a book to us to read about like a record, a little like the Allspark Almanac but the tone is serious all the way through.

Humans actually aren't that bad in the Bayformer fiction because they are not limited by the toys or viewers. Soundwave gets no attention in the movies really, but there's segments of his time on Earth with Alice- the pretender, and it's a full on spy series about how he got to the movie, what he was doing, and what happened before AOE.

I think if they wrote humans the way they wrote them in that, or just letting it be adults only, the quality would shoot up for all ages. Adults seem to think kids only want to watch other kids when at age 9, I was way more fascinated with Jem and X-men. You know, adults. Earthspark could have they/thems all it wants, but I think if it was just Dot protecting her kids- not them acting in any capacity, and Alex eventually joining the fight Noah style (power suit) the writing wouldn't have to lean so hard on baby talking the audience.

Family series are drying up, and there's a nonstop push for baby proofing media instead of letting creators create. I mean, Earthspark's most posted moments are completely absent of the kids. That role can be given to the bot kids easily. Made worse, so much worse by the human kids' ugly designs in season 1. (not even in a racist way they're just incredibly ugly and look like they were modeled in 2009, and not by Disney)

>>3963922
From what I've seen so far, Dot was probably the best character in Earthspark. They should've just had her be the main character with Megatron as the lead bot, have the Autobots and Decepticons as antagonists or supporting characters (which Megs should absolutely turn down because of his baggage, for max drama) if they wanted to subvert expectations. A black park ranger mother and her robot war criminal helicopter. It could've been the new Static Shock with an opportunity to discuss cultural and class differences in a way kids could understand and also reel in adults, but alas.

>>3963922
Agree. My main criticism about ES is that the main team is bloated with seven characters who are basically the same. They're all kids, good-hearted, pure and naive, fight for justice etc. and are only distinguishable by their look and a quirk. So you have a huge RPG party tagging along, using up screentime and most of them aren't worth being a separate character.

Eliminate most of them, preferably the two human kids and the three latter terrans and make Dot the central human and it would work way better. The series doesn't need seven children PoVs.

That said, where the fuck is the mega for the second season?

>>3963978
You've got Twitch, spunky good. The kids, also spunky good. And Thrash... also spunky good. Keep Hashtag, but Nightshade and whatever the fuck the fat one's called can go. Nightshade's the sciencey one- but again, Hashtag's right there.

Something Rescue Bots somehow got right with the cast expansion of Blur, Salvage and the cameo episodes.

I hate ES specifically for the painfully wasted potential as anon mentioned about being another coming of Static Shock. They've done baby shows before, and yet Rescue Bots is good pretty much every single episode while I struggle to sit through the Maltos arguing for 2 minutes.

>>3963986
I haven't heard the term spunky before but I fail to see the benefit of two human kids and Hashtag is the most annoying character I have seen in years. I admit it, I fucking hate zoomers and social media addicts like her. She made me almost drop the show so I would kick her first.

The series doesn't need "the scientist" I think. This is such an overused trope and kiddos aren't experienced enough to be one anyway. Agree that the drone one and Thrash are fine though (which I assume is what spunky means). To be honest I don't actually like any of the "good" terrans and kids, but at least the transformation and colors are nice here.
>I hate ES specifically for the painfully wasted potential
One of the biggest gripes I had was how the whole Optimus working for Ghost subplot amounted to nothing. Like other anons I was expecting some interesting new take on OP who is willingly siding with a morally grey organisation to keep the Cons locked up because you cannot turn all people good by spreading love. But nah, he's just a good guy and turns out, the Cons are also good guys. Makes me wonder they even had that war.

>>3964028
>I haven't heard the term spunky before
Spunky or spunk is a term for people with bit of a firecracker personality. They'll do things their own way, and wont just take what is handed to them. Guts, but not really gutsy just a bit of punk without full blown rebellion. High spirited and youthful, like Jack, Spike and Sari.

I don't know how often people use it but it was extremely popular in the attitude era 90's TV.

I agree about OP specifically with how it felt like it was aimed at how he worked with the government in the Bay movies. But instead of a complicated relationship, we got what we got and on top of it all, they never go into the war itself, assuming people watching knew what happened. But they don't. Why make a plot centered around something only older fans would understand but not target it to older fans with the direction? Something- once more- Rescue Bots did well.

>>3964030
>High spirited and youthful, like Jack
>Jack
Jack has the personality of stale bread anon. You may not like it, but you're thinking about Miko.

>>3964093
You're right. I was thinking specifically about the prison exchange where he says he'd die for OP and all the times he wanted to sand up and fight.

Miko though, pretty much the definition of it

>aidens taking over the confessions
>waaah muh [I hate straight people argument]
Guess I'll unfollow. It was fun for awhile. Wish there were more active communities that didn't revolve around them. Discord is a nightmare and any space with usernames is being cancelled just asking to happen.

And /co/ will keep arguing about Nightshade till eternity

>>3964170
https://x.com/coffezit0s/status/1908704115099652168

>>3964152
The easiest way to avoid cancellation in fandom space is to be upfront about yourself from the very beginning.
Like posting about how much you like incest in full caps so that you'll end up on a block list immediately. Or just complain about gay people like the boomer bayfags (ironic bigotry is still bigotry).

>>3964173
Just don't be a fencesitter.
I've seen relatively well known artists get "cancelled" or attacked several times because they got accused of "liking proshipper stuff" by a bunch of antis, who would take any response as confirmation of guilt anyways. But fencesitter gonna sit on the fence and say "I'm not proship or antiship, I have a life!", even though this is a false dichotomy (there are normal people, and people who get up in arms about fetishes; they are not opposites). And so, they will have to continue fending off drama after drama until they come out as an incest or rape enjoyer or some shit, or until someone digs up their million year old tumblr where they posted dubcon one(1) time, and use that as justification to doxx them.

>tldr
Know your crowd and curate your followers to avoid cancelling

>>3964174
That one artist who posts Animated style animations, I think they got cancelled for the same thing. Someone claimed they used kiwifarms, and keeps sperging out about how they'll show people what they did.

Seems like once you get a massive following, that's it. You can't walk back being pure. Unlike the bloggers that got big specifically because they started off with shitposting and being upfront about hating transwashing.

If only I could openly say the same without people being too afraid to interact. Because they'll block you for fear of association. I've been attempting to find accounts with similar points of view, but damn is it hard to find people who are both like-minded but also not just insane. And you would think that meant following non-English accounts but China's the worst

>>3964030
>I don't know how often people use it but it was extremely popular in the attitude era 90's TV.
Oh yeah that explains it. Wasn't watching English stuff back then (hell I didn't learn English until I got into Final Fantasy and emulated the old un-translated games). Thanks for the explanation, anon.
>Why make a plot centered around something only older fans would understand but not target it to older fans with the direction?
This is my issue as well. Even worse, I myself think that I don't know what the war was about because it's a new universe and they refuse to tell me. It's of course even worse for a new, very young, audience. But even as oldfag TV fan I need more context to evaluate the characters.

Is Megatron a good guy here who just rebelled against an oppressive government and had to kill a few for it and OP a radical pacifist that tries to prevent that? Or is Megatron a genocider and OP his polar opposite?
As long as this info is missing I lack too much context to care. I am fine with a more harmless, funny Megatron (CV) as well as a genuine space Hitler/Stalin who eventually breaks (MtmtE), but I need to know what it is.

>>3964152
>And /co/ will keep arguing about Nightshade till eternity
I hate it. I believe that most of them didn't even watch it or even intended to, they just take it as a chance to shitpost. After the raging anti-IDW boomers fucked off from /co/ it was pretty chill for a few years until the anti-tranny brigade became louder again and now you cannot even talk about Grindcore without triggering someone because one of the 50 comic series from a 10 year long running continuity contains five tranny panels. Yeah, it was unnecessary, but every series has a bunch of scenes I am not happy with. I just ignore it and enjoy the rest. It's not like Anode was the MC.

Also as much as I love some of Furman's shit, especially his recent Astrobots series (and Atlas is fucking hot, basically Deadlock as political leader), it's annoying how everyone praises his IDW work as if it was a mantra to hail him as the modern Shakespeare and hate on everything else because he's is allegedly anti-woke or something (bet none of them have read his new series despite allegedly being a fan of him).

>>3964173
>>3964152
Yeah I started my TF account with Sentinel Prime posting, Over/Tarn shipping, dramatic fanart and Functionism content because fictional dystopias are fucking cool. Back then the fandom was equaling Sentinel to Trump or catholic inquisitors so I was hesitant at first.
Turns out the people in question are chickenshits that are afraid of users that act confident. They are literally bullies. Bullies are always on the look-out for weak and insecure people because bullies losers in the closet.

Anyway, never had any sort of drama or angry comment. Just be yourself. Unironically.

>>3963967
Oya oya oya, that's beautiful.

>>3964308
I read Marvel's thinking Furman was like, some story ruining horrible influence.

I thought the comic was still great and the only key difference was the tone. The fandom tried to claim the 2001 anime was trash- it's awesome. Because it's hilarious. Almost as if the fandom itself is just loud and pretending to be too mature for the silly robots where the intended audience are kids who want to play with silly robots.

Every /co/ thread is a gamble on if people will talk about the story without gooning to Arcee or complaining about gay shit. /toy/ is only good for lurking because no one cares about the tv shows (and complain about nightshade whenever it comes up)

>>3964366
>The fandom tried to claim the 2001 anime was trash- it's awesome
Wait who? I thought it's widely agreed that RiD2001 is underrated.

YOU GOT THE TOUCH
YOU GOT THE POWER
YEA!

gun not tank

>>3964431
Tankgun

>>3964308
>I believe that most of them didn't even watch it or even intended to, they just take it as a chance to shitpost
Reactionaries in a nutshell. Remember how the "anti woke" crowd lost their minds and going all "nooo the west is falling" over a few frames of gay women in Lightyear instead of yknow.
Clowning on Lightyear for being a terrible fucking movie down to its core.

>>3964423
I lurked socmeds before engaging with everything and the general consensus

G1- no plot only a toy ad
Headmasters- does not exist in the primary fandom's headspace.
Victory/SGMF doesn't exist
2001 bad animation and lousy acting
Energon- the worst show ever because of Kicker
Armada- the best TF show of all time and Starscream's the best character
BW- peak
BM- selectively peak
Animated- the best TF show of all time and Starscream is the best character
Prime- the best TF show of all time and (character) is the best character
Rescue Bots- it's okay
RBA- it's not very good
2015- The source of SHALL NOT BE NAMED LMAO SO BAD OMG WORST SHOW
CV- the best TF show of all time and Soundwave is the best character

And after watching every single one of these besides Victory and SGMF- I can honestly say, the vocal part of social media is comprised of morons

>>3964463
Strange, back on twitter I was seeing endless variants of "TFP is bad ackshually // noooooo stop shitting on TFP" and lumping RiD2001 with Victory/Headmasters and Brave (the doesn't exist category).
Perspective on G1 has been changing with recession adjacent view on culture bringing attention to its merits (like how fucking funny it was), so less people are dismissing it outright now.

Everyone shitting on RiD2015 (especially since many of them clearly didn't even watch a second of it) and sucking off Armada is very tiring though, I'll give you that.

>>3964631
https://bsky.app/profile/norrie.bsky.social/post/3loo4j7a5os26

Him~

Robot gore.

Wasn't sure if this was aco or not because robot gore

Josh Cooley said Paramount had no interest in a tf one sequel at botcon panel

>>3970648
Fuck Paramount. It's their fault it didn't do better in the first place despite having all the potential it needed.

rip aco thread.