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Anonymous No.3973073
Shota Thread
homosho edition

Previous: >>3972424
Girly shota: >>3964536
Kemoshota: >>3956565
Nopan shota: >>3942093
Anonymous No.3973075
or rather cool shos in suits edition
Anonymous No.3973076
maid uniforms are also technically suits
Anonymous No.3973078 >>3973081
Why not both?
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>>3973078
both are cute :3
Anonymous No.3973084 >>3973086
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Anonymous No.3973086 >>3973102
>>3973084
imagine slowly undressing him
while he gives you that halfway embarrassed-annoyed look because he's trying to do his homework
Anonymous No.3973088 >>3973089
>artist i just found and like does that "what if cute sho was a girl" bullshit
dropped faster than a grenade
Anonymous No.3973089 >>3973092 >>3973094
>>3973088
just learn to draw yourself
I'm doing it because I want to be able to draw infinite shos
Anonymous No.3973092 >>3973095
>>3973089
i actually do draw and think i have a passable skill level (at anatomy and faces, i can't shade or color much for shit) just the time i get to indulge/practice is insufficient and feel very left behind but i still keep at it when i can spare the time.
Anonymous No.3973094 >>3973095 >>3973096
>>3973089
I genuinely wish I had the mental fortitude to actually enjoy the learning process. I always give up whenever I try and learn.
Anonymous No.3973095 >>3973097
>>3973094
I mean the learning process for drawing is literally drawing
you can learn how to draw a basic sho in a single day, and then slowly improve things like proportions, face, clothing, alignment over time as you notice things you want to do different

>>3973092
same I haven't had much time so it's at a pretty basic level, but I want to keep at it
Anonymous No.3973096 >>3973097
>>3973094
it only gets enjoyable easier and if you do it every day, that's the only hard part.
Anonymous No.3973097 >>3973098
>>3973096
meant to write "it only gets enjoyable and easier if you do it every day, that's the only hard part" but i'm on a browser that does autocorrect BS on your posts. i have a lot of stuff on here so can't afford to change.
>>3973095
i tried to get one of those basic tablets but the fact i have to draw without looking down really fucks me up but traditional tools are too expensive and not worth it. plan is to gather enough to indulge myself on an actual screen tablet by the end of this year. but i said that last year and it didn't pan out. oh well..
Anonymous No.3973098 >>3973101
>>3973097
I got a cheap wacom one and it's good, I don't see the need to look down since it's mapped to the screen and you can track the cursor by moving the pen around
in fact if I looked down I'm sure I'd get bothered by my hands or get neck issues
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>>3973098
maybe im being pedantic and chalking up my frustrations on my art to my tools but even after 2 years of using it, it still doesn't feel right to me. i also get some bad hand cramps because i have a laptop and not a PC so I have to keep the screen close and the tablet on the side.
Anonymous No.3973102 >>3973105
>>3973086
homework is evil. making kids hate life just as it's starting? unnecessarily cruel. but that's the name of the game.
Anonymous No.3973103 >>3973105 >>3973108 >>3973141
what made him react like this?
Anonymous No.3973105 >>3973106 >>3973114
>>3973102
I never hated homework, I just thought it was boring
if I had a cute guy trying to undress me while I sat on his while trying to solve x/2+5=12 I'd probably be more interested

>>3973103
he was told that boys can love boys and is now re-evaluating his existence
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>>3973105
*his lap
autocorrect really is useless
Anonymous No.3973107 >>3973109 >>3973139 >>3973263 >>3973266
What shota geimu should I buy on the sale? Preferably the obscure ones.
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>>3973103
was fooling around until he got a peck on the cheek and is now in heat
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>>3973107
While not very obscure, Ni No Kuni is a pretty fun game. There's also Bakeru which is a really great platformer.
Anonymous No.3973114
>>3973105
I hated that they stole my days and then my evenings too.
They even stole parts of my weekends too
Anonymous No.3973115 >>3973116 >>3973117
tokiyuki gets all the love when kojiro is pretty good too
Anonymous No.3973116 >>3973119
>>3973115
I'd pull his not!pigtails
Anonymous No.3973117 >>3973119
>>3973115
bestest boy
Anonymous No.3973119 >>3973122
>>3973117
>>3973116
not much art of him to go around but understandable since he has to go up against tokiyuki hogging all the attention
Anonymous No.3973122
>>3973119
They cute
Anonymous No.3973124 >>3973125 >>3973130 >>3973297
Life could be a dream
Anonymous No.3973125 >>3973126
>>3973124
alas, you have to wake up
Anonymous No.3973126 >>3973128
>>3973125
i know
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>>3973126
it is what it is
Anonymous No.3973130 >>3973136
>>3973124
It probably is. A nightmare thoughbeit. With bouts of good things for the purpose of turning to shit and making you feel worse afterwards :3

Reality is a digestive system.
Anonymous No.3973133 >>3973142 >>3973160
>boys....can do that....w-with each other?!
Anonymous No.3973136 >>3973164
>>3973130
most NPC's just get hooked on addictions, compulsions and tribalism to numb themselves to the reality of their situation. i say NPC's but I am guilty of burying my head in the sand as is everyone because living is inherently compromising. you know how it'll end, and you know it'll all be for naught and yet you keep going because there is no real alternative. life is beautiful as an experience but you spend most of your human life in urban hellscapes slaving away. at least shos keep the dread at bay..
Anonymous No.3973139 >>3973140
>>3973107
Bastion is pretty gud and has great OST
Though his official art doesn't make him nearly as cute as he should be
Anonymous No.3973140 >>3973149
>>3973139
I remember playing this and thinking the game was fun but the endings were lame
I hate games with ambiguous endings
Anonymous No.3973141 >>3973143
>>3973103
He read the latest chapter of the manga (seriously Matsui wtf).
Anonymous No.3973142 >>3973143
>>3973133
I wish boys were real...
Anonymous No.3973143 >>3973144 >>3973145
>>3973141
what happened? i don't read or keep up with it after Toki got aged up
>>3973142
they are if you believe in them..
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>>3973143
I believe!
Anonymous No.3973145 >>3973146 >>3973147 >>3973150 >>3973264
>>3973143
>what happened? i don't read or keep up with it after Toki got aged up
>>>/a/280093543
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>>3973145
I don't get it
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>>3973145
also damn that thread was too straight for me, this is why I never visit /a/
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Anonymous No.3973149 >>3973152
>>3973140
I don't remember it having an "ambiguous ending"
Anonymous No.3973150 >>3973259
>>3973145
Issue is that there is very limited ammount of historical information. Which limits what you can do with the story, unless you go into alt history territory. But Matsui wants to strictly stay historical. However, at the same time he is very clearly struggling with where to take the story. Like cracks already showed in the first timeskip. But Akkie did carry that arc. But in this second timeskip all the issues are fully exposed and Matsui rushing to the finish line is not helping.
Anonymous No.3973151 >>3973152 >>3973155
>>3973148
Why are pepsi koreans so fruity?
Anonymous No.3973152 >>3973154
>>3973149
I don't think the gravity apocalypse thing ever gets resolved in either ending
they just float away in their house thingy

>>3973151
because they understand that skirts are super cute
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>>3973152
I wouldn't really call it ambiguous, they never had the goal of restoring their world to begin with.
The game was mostly focused on the past of how calamity happened and the stories of the characters involved.
For me the ending(s) was pretty satisfying.
Anonymous No.3973155 >>3973156 >>3973167
>>3973151
Well, that's actually a boy, but the artist is a woman, so she likes to draw him wearing a dress.
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>>3973155
obviously he's a boy? why would a girl be posted here
Anonymous No.3973157 >>3973159
>>3973148
5 of them built for BMC, btw
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>>3973157
but what if their bums hurt
you'd have to be gentle
Anonymous No.3973160 >>3973162 >>3973163
>>3973133
Imagine how many shotacons Tokiyuki awakened.
He's like this generation's version of iconic homoerotic shotas in history like Killua or Syaoran. I'm glad the boys of today still get to experience such hot shotas in anime.
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>>3973160
I await the day when the generational sho is gay and a permanent irrevocable mark is set on the minds of the future generation
Anonymous No.3973163 >>3973166
>>3973160
It definitely did a NUMBER on a lot of people. Last year's summer was a fucking eureka moment for shotafags the world over. For a minute, tons of guys were being shopilled to dangerous degrees. It cooled down but you can bet a lot of them have stayed on the wagon.
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>>3973136
<3
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>>3973163
>I'm not gay
I get upset every time that phrase is repeated as a joke after a straggot says something extremely gay.
Anonymous No.3973167 >>3973169
>>3973155
Boy wearing dress ToT
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>>3973167
if only the crossdressing sho thread here wasn't so shit
Anonymous No.3973170 >>3973173
>>3973162
Never gonna happen. Society will collapse if too many boys learn the dark secret that cute boys are vastly superior to girls. We'll have to settle for decades of boys getting out their feelings through "no homo" bro moments.
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>>3973170
no, I believe at least a single person will have the balls to do it and open the floodgates
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>>3973172
>>3973174
gives me a firekeeper feel for some reason
Anonymous No.3973176 >>3973178 >>3973180
>>3973166
>every time that phrase is repeated as a joke
You be surprised how much of it is genuine mental gymnastics I've seen people write almost essay length posts about how masturbating to this stuff is 100% heterosexual in way too much effort and detail to be a joke.
Anonymous No.3973177
I hate pinterest so much, the quality is terrible but that the only way to save some cute sho pics without source
Anonymous No.3973178 >>3973180
>>3973176
Yeah that's what I mean as a "joke". It's people saying haha wouldn't it be funny if I liked guys but I would never ever ever do that because that's not possible, and it slowly makes people think that being gay is some sort of weird thing that nobody does outside of joking. It's poisonous post-irony that has infested everything in th enu-internet.
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>>3973166
I'm not gay, but I would suck a shota's weenie and massage his little balls with my tongue while fingering his soft butt to make him dry cum again and again until he had his first ejaculation in my mouth, then french kiss him to le him taste his fresh semen for the first time. As a joke, of course haha...
Anonymous No.3973180 >>3973181
>>3973178
>>3973176
Why do you guys think "traps" exist? It's a backdoor trojan horse for closeted guys to express homosexual desire and want.
Anonymous No.3973181 >>3973183
>>3973180
Traps are just feminine men, no actual straight person is attracted to them once they know it's a guy. Most of these people are bisexuals in the closet, because they seem to have forgotten bisexuals exist and think you can either be straight or fuck muscled up old men and that's the only two labels in life. Since traps aren't macho men in their mind that means they can only be straight since they have no idea what words mean.
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>>3973181
Indeed. Tokiyuki underwent the same reception despite, long hair aside, being a boy and not comically feminine like a trap (if someone actually watches the show). I think there's some people out there who are so deeply profoundly ashamed of feeling these things that they resort to traps, femboys and other insane crap just as a reaction to the immense prosecution, shaming and ostracization homosexual men face in society to this day. which is why it always trickles down. the more they "ironically" like traps, the more the barrier breaks down, if only slightly. it's a sad and fucked phenomenon but it's reality.
Anonymous No.3973184 >>3973185 >>3973186 >>3973194
If i could go back in time i'm definitely try to buy these, they look so good
Anonymous No.3973185 >>3973194
>>3973184
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>>3973184
I would buy a sho.
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>>3973184
>>3973185
sho fashion pinups are cool
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>>3973187 to >>3973198
Artist? These pics make me wish I had a son :<
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Anonymous No.3973202 >>3973206 >>3973212
>>3973183
traps that act feminine to the point they're wannabe women are kinda disgusting...
they should act like normal men but be extra cute and handsome
preferable also have some muscle and be in shape
kinda like this guy when he's drawn properly
basically they should be able to embody the feminine aspect of masculinity
>the more the barrier breaks down
no, these people just get deeper into self delusion
I've seen them argue that wanting cocks up their ass makes them straight, while writing paragraph long posts about how women are disgusting
Anonymous No.3973203 >>3973204
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>>3973203
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>>3973187
Better quality
Anonymous No.3973206 >>3973207
>>3973202
I am sorry anon, but, Tale of Genji proves that you are wrong. The Japanese ideal of male beauty is the androgynous feminine men.
Anonymous No.3973207 >>3973209
>>3973206
ok, but the average jap is a straggot who draws astolfo like a woman I don't care what they say I'm talking about my personal and much superior tastes
Anonymous No.3973209 >>3973210
>>3973207
>but the average jap is a straggot
Oh my sweet summer child, you couldn't be farther from the truth. You simply don't understand Japan.
Anonymous No.3973210 >>3973215
>>3973209
please stop typing like a faggot, the nation of japan is not majority homosexual or else they would already be wiped out
Anonymous No.3973211 >>3973231
>>3973200
ιΊ»ε°Ύ on weibo. It's a Chinese social media website, so accessing it can be a bit annoying. Plus these characters come from his own manhua series, and he doesn't draw them in shota form very frequently so its not really worth the try.
Anonymous No.3973212 >>3973216
>>3973202
While I do think that most of these "trap-lovers" are just ironic shitposters who don't feel any actual homosexual desire that is not sexual and perverse and not incurred by frying their brains with porn (the slippery slope is real), there are also those who are deeply closeted and causing themselves immense suffering with these mental gymnastics. us boys are born into this world just to suffer.
Anonymous No.3973213
Belly battle:3
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>>3973204
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>>3973210
No, I will not. Because I am simply speaking the truth that nobody else will.
Anonymous No.3973216 >>3973227
>>3973212
I wouldn't be that grim
well unless you're an only child, then I guess you're really alone until you find a hubby
but I'm a big bro, so I have a more positive view
it's up to us to set an example for other guys to follow, and to help other guys and spread positive male attention whenever we can
especially towards the younger generation who at this point must be majority raised by single mothers
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>tags for shos in chinese dresses are all in chinese themselves so I can't search them
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thoughts on shota oni?
>>3973216
i sadly disagree, it really is that grim i'm afraid for a boy in today's world but this is a safe space and i'd hate to ruin the mood. here's a sho kazuma..
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>>3973211
Can you share a link?
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That's all of his artworks drawing them as shota
Anonymous No.3973237 >>3973238 >>3973368
>>3973231
Sorry, i don't have it
Anonymous No.3973238 >>3973368
>>3973237
I save them mostly from pinterest. You have to create an account to access to weibo so i can't be bother
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>>3973189
lmao dumbass
Anonymous No.3973248 >>3973249 >>3973262
this little brat converted millions!
Anonymous No.3973249 >>3973252 >>3973269 >>3973271
>>3973248
but sexuality is innate and you cannot be converted to anything?
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>>3973215
Is this character from dead mount death play? If so, the anime stayed really true to the manga's art that I can recognize him even though I've never looked at the manga.
Anonymous No.3973251 >>3973254 >>3973255 >>3973261
>>3973153
The heck? There are 2 spaghetti sauce robots? I stopped watching after season 1
Anonymous No.3973252 >>3973253
>>3973249
i thought we were now pretending that its totally straight to have sexual fantasies about young boys! we have a straight male shota and everything, right?! right?! i mean its not gay you know. i like women and girls and shit but its not gay to like boys because they havent gone through puberty yet and they look like girls

(straggots actually believe this shit)
Anonymous No.3973253 >>3973256
>>3973252
I mean that's just bisexuality
Anonymous No.3973254 >>3973255
>>3973251
You should catch up. Season 2 and the following chapters are great.
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>>3973251
>>3973254
We even see the dick of the little limbless puppy shota
Anonymous No.3973256 >>3973258
>>3973253
ehh whatever but even at that they'd never just admit it
Anonymous No.3973257 >>3973258 >>3973260
I'm glad boys aren't real, not even God himself would be able to stop me from the things I would do to them.
Anonymous No.3973258 >>3973410
>>3973256
well obviously, because they're closeted little bigots and even bisexuality is too gay for them

>>3973257
I'm gonna hold your balls while I tell you this...
Anonymous No.3973259 >>3973450
>>3973150
I've liked the recent chapters more than the Akiie parts. I think he struggled in the middle because of having to restructure things to not get axed. He mentioned getting baited by /his/fags who he thought based on feedback would support the manga but then didn't show up. He admitted to having to cut at least one planned arc because of it.
I do think the way he likes to write his characters clashes with needing to follow a pre-existing history with people dying constantly and some characters being basically off limits for crazy/weird stuff (Go-Daigo mostly). But I doubt that will be an issue in the future since I don't see him ever doing a historical manga again. Although I do hope whatever he does next allows his characters to be as /fa/ as the elusive warriors. Tokiyuki's outfit in particular is a lot cuter than a school uniform.
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>>3973257
they are real if you have a good enough imagination when you daydream
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>>3973251
>There are 2 spaghetti sauce robots?
Yes, but that's actually not one of them. The nuggers are something else.
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>>3973248
You mean corrected
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>>3973107
I wish there was a shota tag on steam.
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>>3973145
>Think it's gonna be about the cringe haremfaggotry again
>It's actually based Genba filtering people with literal shitposting again
Anonymous No.3973265 >>3973267 >>3973272
remember reading a definitely NSFW doujinshi about an older guy cucking a girl and fucking her sho boyfriend
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>>3973107
Natsu-Mon and the two Shin Chan games are a good choice if you liked the Boku no Natsuyasumi games.
Anonymous No.3973267 >>3973268 >>3973270
>>3973265
I remember a doujin about a boy that wanted to date a girl but her father would only give him permission if he got to fuck him first. He goes along with it and ends up forgetting about the girl entirely.
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>>3973267
based
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>>3973249
Basic male sexuality is innate yes. I have never, ever met a guy who isn't clearly either straight or gay, and I've met a lot of bi guys (they were all clearly one or the other). But open-mindedness, natural/age-related variation in appearance and gender-nonconformity mean that a lot of how open-minded men are to try other things hinges on culture. So both are true.
Anonymous No.3973270 >>3973279
>>3973267
you can't just not sauce that shit my man
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>>3973249
Not with that attitude.
Anonymous No.3973272 >>3973273
>>3973265
I remember something like that from Sugoko Zako, the boy is fucked inside a van while the girlfriend is checking herself out in a one-way mirror
Anonymous No.3973273 >>3973288
>>3973272
bingo. for sho smut the guy is second to none. his scenarios are always top tier. shame is he uploads once a blue moon.
Anonymous No.3973279 >>3973285 >>3973290
>>3973270
I finally found it

Turns out the one I read years ago was actually a sequel and there's like 4 of them.

https://exhentai.org/g/1188933/bb0598395e/

(C93) [Seki Sabato (Tsukuru)] Tabi no Yoru no Himitsu

This seems to be the first one.
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>>3973279
I knew it must've been Tsukuru. Him and Zako are the best ones in their game. clearly the only male ones anyway.
Anonymous No.3973288 >>3973296
>>3973273
>his scenarios are always top tier
They are pretty good, I just wish he would stick to drawing actual shotas, sometimes he draws those femboys that could pass as shotas
Anonymous No.3973290 >>3973293
>>3973279
I was gonna suggest that doujinshi but this part threw me off
>father would only give him permission if he got to fuck him first
The father never mentioned anything like that, ever.
Anonymous No.3973291 >>3973299
>This happened to a shota you personally know
wwyd?
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>>3973290
Yeah, I read the later one with the summer festival and thought it was standalone and I guess I assumed some of details since I didn't know it was a sequel.
Anonymous No.3973294
Please keep that to the containment thread.
Anonymous No.3973295 >>3973304
>over 100 pics in half a day
wtf calm down
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>>3973288
Yeah that irks me. He's still good and I enjoy his works but he never seemed to top his first doujinshi. Now that was solid gold. The art, the scenario, everything. It was simple with no silly gimmicks/trapbaiting involved. It was truly great.
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>>3973124
This pic is from the manga One Room Angel btw.
Anonymous No.3973299 >>3973306
>>3973291
Splash fight to clean it up. Buy new ice cream.
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>>3973295
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>>3973299
For some reason boys even look gay eating ice cream. Its almost like it’s a sign that being gay is their default state.
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>>3973306
Yes. It is their nature.
Anonymous No.3973348 >>3973452
I love boylove!!!!
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>>3973237
>>3973238
I found a link to a translated version of the comic:
https://xbato.com/title/81771-papa-wolf-and-the-puppy
The first 19 chapters have the characters as animals, but after ch19.5 human counterparts are introduced:
https://xbato.com/title/81771-papa-wolf-and-the-puppy/1568159-ch_19.5
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>>3973402
Is that Adol?
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>>3973258
boy cute and protecc-sized (ToT)
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There's a special place in hell for shotacons.
a place filled with horny demon boys
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Sometimes, i kind of miss clio my boy
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>>3973425
the eyebags of a professional masturbator
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>>3973431
also I don't like these despair pics from tumblr
Anonymous No.3973450 >>3973451 >>3973490
>>3973259
I mean, that sounds like excuses. He is enough of a veteran at this point to realise that you can't make a historical story like that from something that has very few actual records. As I said, he should have made it althistory and that way he could have still gotten the /his/ audience.
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>>3973450
he should have made the entire story about a cute sho and his older boyfriend with a happy ending where they escape on a boat after all the hussies after his seed were rebuffed
it would have been a smash hit
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>>3973348
I boy loveboy!!!!
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>>3973403
Oh god, what the fuck are those... shoes?
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Anonymous No.3973461 >>3973474 >>3973475
just ate some watermelon alone. wish i had company.
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>>3973461
That no underwear thing is so lewd even if it's historically accurate.
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>>3973461
tokisex is so cute just looking at him makes me smile
Anonymous No.3973490 >>3973493 >>3973495
>>3973450
>you can't make a historical story like that from something that has very few actual records.
You can, though. And he has.
The problem with /his/fags has nothing to do with the specific period or how faithful to history you are. They're just a fundamentally fickle, and consequently useless, audience. Most "history fans" are actually just celebrity worshipers who have chosen to obsess over dead people. And even when it's not people, it's certain institutions or technologies that they autistically obsess over. And they're just as crazy as the kpop and idol audiences. Any deviation from their ideal is seen as a betrayal and a justification to rescind their support.
I'm a bit of a /his/fag myself. I used to lament about this or that period being overlooked. But nigewaka has been enlightening. I now fully understand why so few people are willing to pander to us. And I no longer think that anyone should. People should just save themselves the headache and do fantasy instead.
Which is an important lesson for shotabros. If you want people to pander to you, you have to be someone they can rely on for support.
Anonymous No.3973493 >>3973516
>>3973490
Anon, you are so coping, trying to make excuses for MatsuiΒ΄s mismanagement and bad planning. Blaming it on the fans, like every Western corpo when their movie bombs.
But fundamentally, you can't make a weekly story of a historical series for a historical series that deals in a topic where you have very little information available, and the information that you have available comes from the opponents of people you are writing about, and that was a literal propaganda to legitimize their rule. I know what I am talking about. I have been interested in history my whole life, and especially more mythological histories or obscure periods. I have similarly read plenty of althist fanfics on alternatehistory.com. Story of Tokiyuki is just lending itself to an althistory. Because there are many different directions you can take it in. You can make him popular leader as the civil war gets worse, you can lean more into the supporting the imperial line, you can have him captured and adopted by Takauji (my favourite) and more. It is all more interesting than what Matusi have been doing for last two arcs.
Anonymous No.3973495 >>3973497 >>3973516
>>3965399
A towering genius of human thought and the only intellectual of the far right whose work is worth a damn at all
>>3973490
Among the broke-woke-bespoke tiers, you are woke, and that is charitable.
I also used to think like you, briefly, after my historical nitpicking phase, but you have to understand that history is not just about your personal interests but also respecting the past and the sum total of human knowledge.
Most normies get their history knowledge from fiction, and bad historical representation in popular fiction, whether realistic or fantasy, translates to bad understandings of the past.
So many historical movies like Gladiator have made people think that ancient peoples used flaming arrows and catapults for regular warfare instead of for highly particular siege campaigns, which is not just wrong, but ridiculous, and more problematically, Game of Thrones and the Witcher for example tend to show medievalesque elites using religion as cynical propaganda for the masses, which is a reflection of the secular Western societies which created them, when the historical record indicates that that couldn't be further from the case with real old timey folk, and if you want proof, look at many of the elites of a lot of modern Islamic societies.
You may not want all historical media to function as educational media, but in effect, it always does, and most people will rarely if ever be able to tell when fantasy is not based on reality
Anonymous No.3973496 >>3973536
>offtopic retard hours
you do know it's very obvious to tell apart your posts because you're the only one that exclusively uses buzzwords in all your posts
Anonymous No.3973497
>>3973495
>most people will rarely if ever be able to tell when fantasy is not based on reality
Reality should be fantastical. And my proof for that is the Touge Oni. Because just like Nigewaka, it deals with a relatively obscure period with very few records of it. But unlike Nigewaka, it does everything right and it is exactly how you should handle these kinds of stories.
Anonymous No.3973505 >>3973536
I really fucking wish /cm/ was moderated.
Anonymous No.3973511 >>3973523 >>3973532
I do NOT like the idea of Tokiyuki being with an adult man. He is for swordfighting with Kojiro only.
Anonymous No.3973516 >>3973522
>>3973493
>But fundamentally, you can't make a weekly story...
Except he has. It's had its ups and downs like all works. But even at its lowest points nigewaka has still been a good manga. And at its highs it's great. And the most recent arcs have been good ones.
The idea that it totally went to shit is the cope position. It's the exact purityfagging I was talking about where the instant it deviated from the "correct" interpretation at all, the "history fans" declared it irredeemable garbage and have been pissing and shitting themselves over it ever since regardless of the actual quality of the manga.
Also, I strongly disagree with the idea that going althis would have made for a better story. Tokiyuki being a literal who that was crushed beneath the feet of a great man of history has been integral to the story, its themes, and the character writing. And Matsui has even managed to leverage it to build suspense around how it will end.
The only downsides to it being a relatively faithful historical story are very specific Matsui writing quirks. He tends to do smaller character arcs that build depth through volume and interconnectivity with one another. So everyone dropping dead constantly hampers that process. And having certain characters that are effectively off limits from writing as particularly flawed would be a big limitation on anyone, but especially on Matsui. If there weren't such a taboo around shitting on the imperial family, I'm sure Go-Daigo would have been an Asano-like antagonist. But even with those issues, he's still done a good job by leaning harder on characters that do work with his writing style like Sadamune and Uncle Yasuie.
I don't think it will end up being as good as AssClass overall. But that was always going to be a high bar to try and clear.
>>3973495
Nigewaka is actually pretty solid on the education front for being a shounen manga. The volume extras are almost all infodumps about the period from his historian consultants.
Anonymous No.3973522 >>3973532
>>3973516
>And the most recent arcs have been good ones.
It is exactly the other way around. The most recent arcs are the worst offenders, the pacing is incredibly loose and all over the place. Characters and their interactions have gotten more stereotypical compared to the first arc, and they lack soul and fun of it. The first arc of hiding and marching on Kamakura was the best and showed that Matsui had most of the planning for it. Unlike everything afterwards.
>managed to leverage it to build suspense around how it will end.
He didn't, you could always tell how a situation is going to develop it is especially why the second arc was dragging for so long. Because you knew exactly how it is all going to end. I was still hoping Matui would throw a wrench in the spanner and do something unexpected but it never came.
It was needlessly dragging, being carried (at least for me) solely by Akiie who was the perfect ideal of noble.
>I'm sure Go-Daigo would have been an Asano-like antagonist. But even with those issues
Emperor isn't the antagonist, though; that is, Takauji. And he literally is Asano tier if not worse, considering even Asano had morals.
In general, you really need to learn that you can be critical of a story and still like it. I like Nigewaka but I will not try to hide my head in the sand like an ostrich and pretend the glaring flaws are not there. Especially when I have an example of a manga that does this way better.
Anonymous No.3973523
>>3973511
sorry, but tokiyuki is my lawful husband and we swordfight every day(swordfighting means sex btw)
Anonymous No.3973530 >>3973532 >>3973536
less talkie
more sho
Anonymous No.3973531
talking with shos about their day...
Anonymous No.3973532 >>3973542
>>3973511
This is one of two big criticisms I have about it. The first intermission should have had an elusive warrior escape subplot running concurrently with a more fleshed out adult war plot (I believe this would have solved basically every issue the Akiie part ended up having). And Tokiyuki and Kojiro should have been gayer with one another. You change those and it becomes a 10/10 masterpiece.
>>3973522
>recent arcs are the worst offenders
The most recent arcs have been the most similar to the early ones. So much so that it's made it obvious that it and the beginning were planned out from the start and that he almost certainly had to scramble to rewrite the middle under the shadow of the axe after /his/fags did what /his/fags do.
>you could always tell
I'm talking about the ending. No one is sure what he's going to do with it. But even aside from that, no one knew for sure how Fubuki was going to shake out either. And we know what's going to happen to Tadayoshi, but now how. He's followed exactly close enough while still having a few deviations like Shokan to leave people guessing.
>Emperor isn't the antagonist
Not in nigewaka, no. That's my point. If you look at it from a historical standpoint, Go-Daigo was the worst thing to happen to Tokiyuki. He's the one that kicked off the war in the first place. Takauji wasn't even the one that destroyed Kamakura. That was Nitta. On orders from Go-Daigo. He was a perfect candidate for a super fucked up Matsui villain that is later partially redeemed just like Asano. But portraying an emperor like that would be a big no no. Takauji would still be the main villain, of course.
>you can be critical of a story and still like it.
I've explicitly mentioned areas of weakness. I've never claimed it's perfect. But I vehemently reject the notion that it's a bad manga and especially the crying about how the dreaded timeskip ruined everything forever.
>>3973530
I would post a kojiwaka but we ran out of room.
Anonymous No.3973536
>>3973530
>>3973505
>>3973496
Make a new thread stop being a fucking sperg
Anonymous No.3973538
new >>3973537
Anonymous No.3973542
>>3973532
>If you look at it from a historical standpoint, Go-Daigo was the worst thing to happen to Tokiyuki.
Historically, Go-Daigo did nothing wrong and late Kamakrua Shogunate and Hojos were the ones at fault.