Thread 148864689

>Zot's world is a near perfect idealistic paradise but as a result the very rare tragedies and horrors within it hit even harder when they do pop up
>Jenny's world is our world, it's mundane at best and bleak at worst but as a result, every genuine miracle and act of humanity become even more precious
Is that accurate?

>>148864689 (OP)
idk I've never heard of this

>>148864699
You've never heard of Zot?

>>148864707
Eh, I don't blame him
Zot's critically acclaimed but I don't think the full series ever had a modern re-release, just the black and white issues and they're not on digital
Apparently the publisher tried but the image/text quality got messed up or something

>>148864707
i don't think i've read anything by eclipse

9-Jack-9 is so fucking cool you guys

After some thinking, is Zot a manic pixie dreamboy?
He'd come across as one especially in the last arc to whomever isn't aware of his origins

Just finished the original 10 issue "key saga". This really should be one of the all-time cult classics. Shame that it's not more often spoken of in modern comics fandom circles.

>>148864689 (OP)
I want to read this soon.

>>148864689 (OP)
Zot! and The Sculptor are fucking kino, if only Scott had more narrative in him.. Really sucks to hear about his wife though

Any of you guys read the Zot! webcomic? Wish there were more projects like it https://scottmccloud.com/1-webcomics/zot/zot-01/zot-01.html

>>148865969
>Any of you guys read the Zot! webcomic
Yeah
I liked it but I'm on the same boat

>>148865707
You should.

>>148865969
Cool page.

>>148865969
>Really sucks to hear about his wife though
Looked it up
Ouch

>>148865969 this looks cool,let me check the artist
>TDS
nope, shan't be reading.

>>148865058
>Shame that it's not more often spoken of in modern comics fandom circles.
You can say that about many books

>>148867106
>Letting politics get in the way that badly
Your loss dude

>>148864707
I have not, thot.

>>148865969
Very nice

>>148868210
He’s right though

>>148867328
Speaking of which, what are some other "forgotten cult classics" or "never were, but should have been cult classics"?

>>148869996
Patty Cake

>>148869996
The Puma Blues

>>148869996
When I was going through old all-ages indie comics, Mark Crilley's Akiko showed up plenty of times for cameos or for guest illustrations.

>>148869996
Lethargic Lad
Pic related was a cover done by Alex Ross

>>148865969
I honestly think Zot has one of the best rogues gallery for a non-Marvel/DC hero so it was cool seeing more Dekko

>>148869996
Hepcats

>>148869771
I'm a Christian and I still enjoy a couple of Garth Ennis' comics

>>148869996
I always hear that Finder is really good.

>>148869996
Ralph Snart Adventures

>>148870108
This is good. It's like all those old comics about little kids from the Silver Age, except kind of psychotic lol and more blatantly made for adults (while still having PG content).

>>148870122
Too weird for me and not in a good or fun way. Looks nice though.

>>148870185
This is pretty good. I'm surprised this isn't more successful. It seems like it'd be a big hit in the Scholastic book market.

>>148870185
This guy would later do crappy how to draw manga books

>>148870319
Couldn't get into this. It was (expectedly) dull.

>>148870497
>fur faggotry

>>148870701
Couldn't bring myself to care about anything in this.

>>148870319
>>148871625
Yeah, I don't really see the appeal in a comic where the whole gimmick is that it's genuinely sort of lazy.

>>148870497
Man I miss the days when furries were still so niche that a furry comic was just comic to everyone else. They were also waaaay less fetishy back then.

>>148865046
I'd suppose so. Although I guess other YA girl protagonist novels would feature that as well, or are love interests in a different category?

>>148871616
weird taste

>>148864699
It's okay, the writer's most well-known work is Understanding Comics which is a meta exploration of the art form. Just to show how times have changed, the sequel Understanding Manga was a feature in an issue of Wizard Magazine.

Every issue of Understanding Comics say from the writer of Zot but it would behoove me better to find a TPB of Zot marked "From the author of Understanding Comics."

>>148869996
Thieves & Kings

>>148871898
Men have
>She can fix me
Girls have
>I can fix him

>>148871622
Eh....Crilley is one of the better ones when it comes to that sort of stuff from a gaijin

>>148868210
>Person is illogical, has no common sense, can't think straight
>You trust this person
>You give money to this person
Nope.

>>148872927
>What are second hand markets
>What is piracy

>>148870185
>All ages indie comics
Reminded me this over written thing exist, I had like two issues, Usagi cameos in it.

>>148872945
Either way, not worth reading the work off a deluded shitlib.

>>148870497
Might be the ugliest furry comic of all time.

>>148864735
>Apparently the publisher tried but the image/text quality got messed up or something
Bummer

>>148872927
>Person is illogical, has no common sense, can't think straight
He's an artist, not a philosopher. You're supposed to entertain their delusions and have a chuckle, not adhere to their thoughts and beliefs. Don't be a bitch, man.

>>148873465
>over written thing
Huh, I read the Winged Tiger by the same guy
It's a silent comic

>>148875056
Weird because I remember this being walls of text.

>>148869996
Trollords

>>148874594
Not supporting cultural marxism or gay race communism, not sorry

>>148869996
Does Concrete count?

>>148865046
everything about this post is retarded

>>148873465
>over written

How so?

>>148873486
It's actually pretty well drawn. It just lacks the stylized aesthetics that the internet furfags these days expect.

>>148876719
Just swap the fucking genders
Jenny is now a morose, lonely boy who feels like the world doesn't understand him
Zot is now an energetic, overly optimistic girl who by the last third of the story acts and dresses like a superheroine much to the ignorance of the people around them
Fem-Zot wouldn't fully be a Manic Pixie Dreamgirl but she'd definitely give the Stargirl (not the DC character) sort of impression (yeah yeah I know Stargirl was a deconstruction)

>>148876806
Zot isn't just a good person to the girl, he's a good person in general, to the point where he's also a good friend to her friends and actively risking his life for people whom he doesn't personally know at all.

The Maniac Pixie Dream girl usually is somebody's exclusive girl.

>>148871736
What the actually fuck is this?

>>148872553
What's weird about it?

>>148876934
It's some weird Libertarian Fever Dream comic that got memory holed for political reasons.

>>148873486
You're ignoring most furry comics and webcomics.

>>148864689 (OP)
It's 100% accurate. She tries to tell him about the bombings in Lebanon and Zot tells her it's a tourist spot in his world.

For the handful of people who don't get the message, there's a story arc where he's trapped in our world, discovers slying heroes with blasters aren't idolized and gets the shit kicked out of him by the general public, the last hing he sees before going unconscious is an indifferent face in he crown looking down at him, it's his own.
Oh and the other thing about his world is the year is the far-flung future of 1963 and it never changes at New Years'; the people living there believe it's updating while Jenny notices it never does.
The really scary shit comes when 9-JACK-9 comes to our universe because he's not a boisterous idiot like most of the villains on Zot's earth; he's a very businesslike hit man. Great read.

>>148877143
Do you buy into the implication that Zot's competence is literally tied to the world he's in?
He's a genuinely talented guy but he fails more often and more brutally when he's in the real world for things that would never work in his own
That just stuck out to me

>>148864735
>Apparently the publisher tried but the image/text quality got messed up or something
McCloud was tight for cash and sold all the boards for $25-50 each. I know because I own one of them. This means the only thing they have to work from are the comic books themselves which even for black and whites printed on coated paper stock like this look like shit. Like most of Eclipse this was a creator owned book, so publisher cat yronwode had no reason to keep full sized photostats of the pages.
Hilariously he ugly little boy who has an unrequited crush on Jenny is Scott's self-insert; he disappears and comes back super hunky which does not correspond to Scott's own adolescence and he's still ignored by her.
There's a gimmick on one of the issues considered one of the most loathed plot twists today but Scot did it first.

I find it funny how WW2 is treated as this fictional shared mythos which means everyone just sat down and agreed that Germany would start that shit

>>148865046
The thing is, he's not really Jenny's fantasy and she's constantly pointing out the absurdities so you're left with no explanation beyond "a univese made from 1930s pulp tropes at the very latest."

>>148867106
>muh llitmus test
you picked the wrong fucking hobby casualgater

>>148877284
It's more like "Westernized Astro Boy".

>>148871553
I'LL BUY NO FAGGY WOOK

>>148877240
>means the only thing they have to work from are the comic books themselves which even for black and whites printed on coated paper stock like this look like shit.
Is there really no solution to make a digital release work?
Even with today's technology?

>>148877143
>The really scary shit comes when 9-JACK-9 comes to our universe because he's not a boisterous idiot like most of the villains on Zot's earth; he's a very businesslike hit man
I think the "non-human" advanced technology villains share the same theme of being more serious threats
9-JACK-9 speaks for himself
Dekko acts silly but his backstory is genuinely tragic
Zybox tried to organize mass suicide on Jenny's Earth just to test a theory he had

>>148877284
Jetsons, only without the negros toiling away below the smog.

>>148877327
>It's more like "Westernized Astro Boy".
Considering the GIANT weeb hard-on McCloud had at the time I'm at a loss to think of anything better. It's at least an affectionate tribute.
Imagine being a rising comic book artist and you want your father, a genius mathematician, to appreciate your work except he's blind from birth.

>>148877343
It never looks as good. There are reprints being done today only made possible because collectors lent the boards back to the publishers.
>but computers!
Data gets lost when you shrink, it's not reversible.

>>148877399
Everything you said is correct. I can still hear 9J9's cool as cucumbers voice in my head.

>>148877453
Welp, another thing to add to my /co/ blackpills list

>>148877453
>Data gets lost when you shrink, it's not reversible.
We have image generators now.

>>148877516
Just do what I did, go back in time to when it was coming out and buy it all then
This is as close to a theme song for Zot as you'll get if you can ignore the title.
https://youtu.be/tWiLh56dAHg
Said trip to the past also included seeing this fun little Adrian Belew act perform it live a few feet from the stage, too bad they only released one album. Yes, that's MAD Magazine's Mort Drucker doing the album cover art.

>>148877453
But how come the black and white issues all got collected and reprinted physically then but not digitally?

>>148877579
Plates are 1:1 so if Eclipse's printers kept them they can be reused. Digital is supposed to be scanned at original art size.

>>148877736
Thanks for the info
Still, that really bites

>>148877776
yeah comic book paper quality drives what line screens are possible which drives what colors are possible.
Charlton Comics started out as a cereal box printer who had patented plastic printing plates that cost less to make than steel. The only reason they went into comic books was because there wasn't enough business from cereal companies.

>SPURGEON: Were there any technical difficulties in getting this work together? Or were all of those problems overcome with the Kitchen Sink editions?
>McCLOUD: There was a gargantuan technical challenge for me, in that I only had Photostats of some pages, originals of some pages and neither of some pages, which meant I had to resort to the printed copies.
>SPURGEON: Wow.
>McCLOUD: First of all, the challenge was scanning them in and making sure they were all the same size. Then, because I'm picky, I also had to equalize the line weights in Photoshop. I would make a pretty complex series of adjustments and often hand-tooled fixes to make sure that the pages looked more or less that they came from the same source. This involved sometimes applying filters to the lettering separately from the lines. It was a pretty gargantuan job.
>SPURGEON: How long a job was it?
>McCLOUD: That part of it took up a good six weeks of continuous work.
>SPURGEON: Oh my goodness.

https://www.comicsreporter.com/index.php/resources/interviews/16989

>>148870185
I wish this was still in print. I think the guy re-did the story as prose novels so I can only assume there's rights issues with the original publisher.

>>148871616
>It seems like it'd be a big hit in the Scholastic book market.
I know Bone was always the bigger indie darling but I can't help but feel it would've ended up like Akiko had Smith not been able to secure strong details to get Bone as accessible as possible

>>148878486
The biggest failure of the American comics industry is their inability to keep virtually anything in print.

>>148878429
I would not be surprised if the publisher going belly up put the rights and even original pages in a state of disarray.
As Bill Willingham put it with his Elementals Public Domain case(another forgotten indie darling), the rights for these dead publishers get so mixed up no one really knows what they own

>>148878429
He said he was doing more work on Akiko back in 2023
He's also been re-releasing issues/chapters but they're locked behind a Patreon
>I think the guy re-did the story as prose novels
IIRC it was only the first novel that re-told the initial story while the rest of the books were their own thing

>>148878660
>As Bill Willingham put it with his Elementals Public Domain case(another forgotten indie darling), the rights for these dead publishers get so mixed up no one really knows what they own
Well shit, for a while now I've been crossing fingers for Scott Roberts to finally release a Patty Cake collection collecting everything from the solo issues to the short stories (especially since there's outright lost media out there since he released some stuff on a now defunct webcomic site that the Wayback Machine didn't save) but now I'm starting to lose what limited hope I had between his age and what I'm learning from this thread.

>>148878742
Where did you get that colorized?

>>148878866
From the Patty Cake thread back in April but it's the one piece of art that the Internet Archive managed to save
https://web.archive.org/web/20111113040257/http://www.webcomicsnation.com/scottartist/pattycake/series.php
He was apparently re-releasing stories in color, unprinted comics, and possibly an explanation for why the series never got an animated series (the page itself wasn't saved so it could've just been a gag comic)
I really hate the thought that a Janine-Jean story is now lost

>>148878978
Man, that's a fucking bummer to hear about.

>Zot thread lasts a whole day
Neat

>>148879040
I feel you, he's also turning 69 but he's still doing a comic strip on Go Comics so he isn't fully retired yet and is healthy enough to the point where he can still at least draw.
I hope he at least try a crowdfunder to get it all re-released alongside his other work one day cause I fell in love with it ever since last year's Patty Cake storytimes (that is if he still has everything already).

>>148879040
There's something frustrating how shit like the decades old Doctor Who lost episodes have a higher chance of resurfacing than something online and available to everyone barely over a decade ago at most just being gone forever because nobody bothered saving it.

>>148878585
The biggest failure of the American comics fandom is letting so many things just disappear and be forgotten.
ComicBookDB, Newsarama articles before Games Radar ruined everything, the mountains of issues that haven't been scanned yet, Buyer's Guide issues, etc

>>148869996
Some definitely more than other's though but I doubt most Anons could recognize all of them

>>148869996
Beanworld

>>148876732
Not him but after downloading the issues that have been scanned, yeah I can see what he means though it's honestly not that bad compared to say, Silver Age comics.
Again, it's kind of surprising since Yeh's other work I know of is completely wordless

>>148879473
How many of these are good, though?

>>148869996
Flaming Carrot used to be considered an "indie classic" for a long time.

>>148880405
I've liked Hate and Cerebus
Haven't tried the rest though
I'll probably go ahead and read Strangers in Paradise next

>>148880048
that's not even particularly wordy

>>148881140
Yeah I'm inclined to agree
I sort of get what the other Anon meant but when I hear "wordy" I think well, this.

>>148881739
holy shit

>>148881739
That's a better example.

>>148882611
It gets FAR worse than that.

>>148869996
Best post-apocalyptic comic of all time.

>>148880405
Frank is good.

>>148869996
I maintain that the Fish Police COMIC was actually good. (Shame that the cartoon had to soil its reputation.)

>>148879473
Who're the old man in the back, the bitch with the black hat, and the weird motherfucker with the mask peeking out from behind the seat in the front row?

>>148882993
>old man
Jimmy Corrigan
>bitch with the black hat
Vicky Ocean
>weird motherfucker
The Jam

>>148879473
I recognize my cat stripper

>>148883032
>The Jam

No, look BEHIND the seat in the FRONT row.

>>148882704
Came out the same time as Miracleman.

Beats Moore by a mile too , but it's Truman so it'll never get the love it deserves.

>>148883145
Huh, never noticed that before
A Moment of Cerebus and the Heritage Auction doesn't help
https://momentofcerebus.blogspot.com/2017/01/indy-jam.html
https://comics.ha.com/itm/original-comic-art/covers/dave-sim-gerhard-paul-pope-richard-sala-terry-moore-and-evan-dorkin-overstreet-s-fan-7-indy-jam/a/7158-92275.s
Probably something related to Milk & Cheese or Strangers in Paradise
I've read neither so I can't know for certain

>>148883324
I read Milk and Cheese as a teenager. I don't remember a character like that.

Why is 9-Jack-9 everybody's favorite character? Back in the day it was Dekko that was the most popular.

>>148873412
That would explain why she walks barefoot on the road.

>>148883151
It's not gonna get any love with talk like that. You're setting it up to fail.
Also, Miracleman technically started in 1982 as Marvelman.

>>148883381
9-jack-9 falls in line with a lot of modern cool character trends in a post-anime world.

>>148864689 (OP)
>>148864699
>>148864707
>>148864735
What am I in for?

>>148885765
Capekino

>>148879473
Super Trouble is kino but I don't know how much of it been published in America, since it was made for a Japanese magazine but the one story I read was great.

>>148882623
>It gets FAR worse than that.
That's already past acceptable levels.

>>148883381
He beat out Dekko by one point

>>148886339
Read more.

>>148877506
My headcanon voice for 9-Jack-9 is akin to the computer from Courage the Cowardly Dog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IojtpppQvmk

Pretty excited to read this, but I won't have time for a while.

>>148880432
Did people just forget about it?

>>148885765
An examination of the human condition thru the lens of a 1960's pulp science fiction story. Its a real hidden gem

>>148877143
I find the dynamic between Zot and 9-Jack-9 to be interesting
They're arch-enemies yet despite having every reason to hold bad blood, neither truly hates the other.
Zot lacks a hateful bone in his body and just wants to do the right thing.
9-Jack-9 just sees his actions as part of his business and doesn't actively pursue or scorn Zot.

>>148888721
Neat

>>148888631
Yeah

>>148876597
I don't think it's forgotten.

>>148880432
Maybe another TMNT crossover would help

>>148890248
I don't think they did. People still at least know what it is.

>>148891683
Know what what is?

>>148888721
Looks good.

>>148880048
>Frank the Unicorn

Wait, is that the name of a comic?

>>148893137
yes

>>148886105
I thought it was THB for some reason.

>>148886105
Is the cat on their laps from the same comic?

>>148864689 (OP)
Could you imagine if this series got picked up as an animated series?

>>148894233
Would the second to last episode just be 22 minutes of Zot and Jenny talking if they should fuck or not?

>>148893475
Sounds like a ripoff of Neil the Horse.

>>148894845
I doubt it
Equines aren't copyrighted

>>148864689 (OP)
Very cute art
>>148876597
I'd say it does, since it certainly isn't remembered: >>148890739
>>148882704
People actually know of this? Amazing work and in proper contrast B&W, as comics should be read. The ambiguously supernatural elements are absolute kino as well.
Try Dragon Chiang while you're at it: https://mega[DOOT]nz/file/rtVn2AhI#eUlnehVAuhomGzDtNt1Y3W2tHRqKpmclpkKvbTrq0ds

>>148895289
Gracias Anon

>>148894845
Frank's a biped

>>148894605
I'd swear, the conversation was them talking about the sex they just had.

>>148895348
I read it back in January, they talk about if they should have sex or not and the ending leaves it ambiguous if they did go through with it that night

>>148895289
>Concrete certainly isn't remembered

Calling bullshit on that. It may not have nearly the reputation it once had, but I wouldn't say it "isn't remembered".

>>148895388
This. It's the one that's brought up the most out of all of these.

>>148895289
Thanks Anon

>>148864689 (OP)
How would outside normies would know about Zot!?

>>148886105
>Super Trouble

I can't find this online.

>>148895289
Thanks!

>>148895289
Lovely

>>148877240
>McCloud was tight for cash
Literally how? Always thought his Understanding Comics book line sold fairly well. Doesn't he also teach? I remember him talking about some UI storytelling program he was involved with (I believe he mentioned it in his Kayfabe Shoot Interview).
Is there any way he can track down the original boards and scan them? That'd be cool. I can see someone like Fantagraphics go out their way to do something like that.

>>148869996
Had a really fun time reading Roachmill.

>>148898881
Seems cool

Give me your finest ZOT!

>>148864689 (OP)
>>148894233
So wait, there's a b/w collection but also a collection of color issues? Is there a reading order for Zot! I should know first?

>>148886843
Interesting.

>>148900210
>Is there a reading order for Zot!
Just go from #1 to the end

I only know about this one because of the Understanding Comics guy
Might be one of the first comics with a weeb influence, but it's subtle

>>148869996
Almost every indie comic from the 80's that was considered a relative hit has been forgotten mostly
Albedo is probably the least obscure is you're a furry, but that's not saying much. It's a comic that had a big following and yet has fallen by the wayside
I used to read a lot of "history of comics" books as a kid, and the black and white boom was rarely mentioned, treated as an economic bubble, and only TMNT got mentioned. You wouldn't think this has an influence on modern furries, there's still a bunch of comics from that moment I'm still finding out

I forgot where I got this from, a bunch of indie comic artists got together for some swimsuit issue

>>148901957
Omaha spotted

>>148901969
Captain Jack

>>148901814
I was under the impression that Miller precedes him on that. He's been influenced by Goseki Kojima since way back, I recall.

>>148869996
I sort of think Mr. Beat's should be an honorable mention
Given how much he showed up in various anthologies and series' including a crossover with Elfquest of all things
https://yambar.com/mr-beat
Really it's pretty nuts founding out about how far guest appearances and cameos go in this point of comics
You could probably do six degrees of separation for almost every remotely notable character during this era

>>148901981
Which I haven't read but I heard good things about
>>148901983
There's definitely a bunch that predate him, but Zot was the first one I learned of back in middle school. For example, furries might be the earliest ones since they were Kimba the White Lion fans, and a lot of early furries were weebs
The Albedo prototype issue 0 comic also has what looks like a gundamn in one page, but that just might be my speculation

There's this alt-history comic I haven't been able to finish collecting called Zotz, so looking up Zotz comic always gives me Zot! too
I guess I should read it by now, Understanding Comics is how I found out about a bunch of series.

>>148901939
Why did they have to be furry?

>>148901939
>Almost every indie comic from the 80's that was considered a relative hit has been forgotten mostly

This is an exaggeration.

>>148895289
>in proper contrast B&W

What the fuck are you talking about? Scout is in full color.

>>148901939
The mid-80s B&W boom was an outright GLUT. There was an almost unbelievable number of titles produced and A LOT of them were attempts to bait holloywood into licensing shit for big bucks (or outright poking fun at TMNT and the trend at large). SOME of these are varying degrees of good, but most of them are either forgettable hipster trash or just plain amateurish attempts at a comics career by people who weren't really good enough to work for larger publishers.

>>148901814
>>148901983
Miller absolutely does predate McCloud by a few years. Mary Jo Duffy also was possibly the original weeb. Her Star Wars run has random anime references in it (at a time when NOBODY in the west would have understood them) and she would do some of the early English translations of manga.

>>148902798
>A LOT of them were attempts to bait holloywood into licensing shit for big bucks
Still insane how Albedo almost got an animated movie or something but Gallacci was too autistic and protective over his comic

>>148902038
Huh.

>>148900210
>So wait, there's a b/w collection but also a collection of color issues?
First 10 issues were in color. There MIGHT also be B&W reprints of those, though I'm not sure. I don't think the rest of the series was ever colorized. (Comics starting out in color and them moving into B&W [often after moving to a different publisher] was not uncommon in the 80s. The reverse also happened, though less frequently.)
>Is there a reading order for Zot! I should know first?
It's read in order, like nearly anything else from its time.

>>148903234
I have the B/W collection and can confirm it does not include reprints of the color issues. It was an odd way to jump into the series since it starts with a full act of narrative already passed. The color issues were collected in a single volume back in the 90s but the publisher went under so its a rare find now

>>148903302
That's weird. I don't know why they don't just reprint the color issues.

>>148902567
Because of TMNT basically.

>>148879246
All this and more will be lost in time like tears in rain, time to hoard

>>148903476
goddammit

>>148903476
There were already a bunch of furries making comics before and adjacent to TMNT. TMNT just sparked all the [AGE] [SCIENCE THING] [MARTIAL ARTS] [ANIMAL] rip offs who
>cue some old Robert Crumb comic where a guy is praying "Please god, no more Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles"

>>148904249
>>148904482
>>148903476
>>148901939
>>148902798

Americans had a potentially thriving indie scene and deliberately killed out of their own greed

>>148904836
That's both an incomplete summary and in some ways an outright falsehood.

>>148904560
>>148904566
This is both fascinating and depressing lol.

>>148904936
Explain or I'm right.

>>148904482
Crumb and his wife really hated Ninja Turtles. She even bitches about it in his documentary
in one of my darker moments, I contemplated drawing a cartoon of Aline in hell being raped by the Ninja Turtles, because the documentary had them moving to France to get away from American culture they disliked. I realized only I would find it funny so I dropped it

>>148906097
Not him but I'm not sure if the indie scene was harmed by the comics crash since that was more of a mainstream fuck-up

>>148906494
>>148904482
When you really think about it, TMNT was probably to indie comics what Skibid Toilet was to indie animation

>>148869996
The writer would later use the same setting for her future novels
Same thing happened with Artesia IIRC

>>148906494
I don't blame them for leaving
>>148906522
I can see it. Nonsense to anyone outside of the kids and manchildren into them.
Look at the old comic rip offs of TMNT and they have no understanding of why it took off and why people like them, so a lot of it misses the point or is just desperate to be as popular

>>148906750
Everyone knows the Turtles started as a satire and it's obvious once you're familiar with what it's satirizing but that first issue was still sincere in its presentation and actually left room for the series to become its own thing past parody
You can't say that with most TMNT parodies at the time because they were parodies of a parody
They doubled down on the absurdity and satire despite Ninja Turtles actually having a thematic motif behind it albeit one for humor.
They're Ninja Turtles not because it's a random choice of warrior and animal but because they're complete opposites.

>>148906765
>Everyone knows the Turtles started as a satire and it's obvious once you're familiar with what it's satirizing but that first issue was still sincere in its presentation and actually left room for the series to become its own thing past parody
That's the thing. I remember one of them saying "dedicated to TMNT, thanks for bringing back the funniness in comics"
except TMNT, despite the concept being a joke, carried itself pretty straight. They weren't dousing themselves in irony and "heh we're SHIT and we KNOW IT" bullshit, it was silly concept still trying to tell something interesting

>>148906845
The parody element was still there past issue 1 (Baxter Stockman's motivations or why Eastman came up with Casey Jones) but then you get moments like pic related that shows how far the series had come
It's absurd but it's played straight without any self-deprecation meta humor

>>148906765
TMNT as a parody is kinda overblown. Laird doesn’t really consider it a parody; after the initial references it does t really try to play on anything else from daredevil and does its own thing.

>>148864689 (OP)
Her nose is way too big. The distance between her eyes and mouth is all wrong.

Just remembered this pic so I'll just it here given the discussion in the thread

>>148906925
Leiji Matsumoto influence

>>148906928
I'm familiar with most of these, read a few, and can search the rest except for the one that looks like it says 13-3G or B-3G
Anyone knows what that is?
Google ain't giving me shit

>>148906939
Seriously? I know his faces have the same problem, but is he actually an inspiration for it?

>>148877143
I kind of assumed 9-JACK-9 being British was a nod to the British Invasion but that happened after Zot came out

>>148906950
That's "B-36" by Pam Bliss.

>>148907163
>That's "B-36" by Pam Bliss.
Oh shit thanks so much Anon
Looks neat so I'll definitely add it to my list if I can find it

>>148907163
Huh, she's has Comic Fury account
https://comicfury.com/profile.php?username=Pam-Bliss

>>148898881
Oh shi- I ALWAYS forgot what this is called! There was a big ad campaign for it in mainstream comics here, back in the 80s, and it was a pretty neat "2000AD light" action fare, even having a rather grim tone... Thanks Anon, real "today I will remind them" moment!

>>148883151
I enjoyed Scout when it came out, but let's be serious

>>148902750
In some burger publication crayon'd up like like a kiddy book, perhaps: The sad thing about many American comics isn't how they're ruined by coloring but how unfathomably cheap bottom-tier that coloring is.

>>148907920
Even in this nu-Scout production you can see how coloring (that isn't even that bad compared to the cringe 80s bright mono pastels) immediately and effectively washes away what little soul there was to be had.

>>148907920
The original comics were published in color. You're objectively wrong.

>>148906505
The comic crash also tanked the Euro market. I have no idea how that worked, but it happened.

>>148904482
>>148906494
Crumb was such a fag.

>>148906928
What's it say between Apathy Kat and Patty Cake?

Give me the ZOT!

>>148906960
Probably, McCloud was an early adopter of anime influence; Zot is, visually, an example of that and intended to look a bit like manga. Tesla was a direct influence but I’m sure he took some other inspiration. Ma y indies of the time similarly drew from anime.

>>148907966
>imblying
>>148907920
Plenty of more examples: Other classic 80s comics that were utter kino in their original stark b&w:
>Winter World
>Mask

>>148908924
WinterWorld has great art, but the story is not that good.

>>148909410
The story is basically just "I'ma fuck over those slaver cunts" from a rough-hewn antihero that reluctantly grows into the Chad everyone looks for and needs, and his badger is the perfect mascot. There basically is no story, it's carried by the characters, the art and excellent storyboarding.

>>148864689 (OP)
Getting a sort of the Maxx vibe from the artwork in this? I dunno I recognize the style the lady's face is drawn in from somewhere.

>>148908924
>the mask
we have to go back

>>148907609
That's not I'm doing. I'm deliberately begging to be taught and enlightened like the retard I am, a learning opportunity.

>>148908120
He was but not for the reasons like leaving the US because he didn't like the aids and crack president

>>148908199
Magic Inkwell

>>148910781
Crumb didn't hate the US because of politicians allowing the spread of AIDS and crack, he left because he disliked the low culture of normies who he perceived himself better then.

>>148910971
The guy made comics about people living inside women's anus.

>>148864689 (OP)
Wasn't there a specific issue of this that was highly controversial?

>>148877310
>>148870600
>I'm a Christian
>enjoy a couple of Garth Ennis' comics
then you don't take your faith all too seriously, especially when it comes to Ennis's views on religion and faith.

>>148877310
You support degenerates and their degenerate comics, jump off a bridge, faggot

>>148911950
Anon Christianity has a pretty big thing about forgiving people for being dipshits. Accordingly, I won't hold it against you.

>>148911063
you wouldn't get it fucking normie , bet you're playing Nintendo and being a jock REEEEE

>>148911962
I thought you faggoty "based" trads loved people voting with their wallet, I'll buy what I want retard

>>148910971
It was both.
He left during the Reagan years and the increase of the stupider parts of american culture, part of it included the cutting of art programs at his daughter's school since we consider art useless and waste of time(and wonder why we suck at it more and more), he decided to start teaching people art on his time, but then people started bitching about his old work and comics.

>>148912440
Vote? For what? For who, or whom? words are meaningless, and the "Marketplace of Ideas" is just hot air. I'd rather see companies burn down and the people who make up those companies imprisoned or exiled than put up with their garbage.
Also, post your response to Blusky, faggot, I'm sure that'll go down well with you faggot friends.
>>148912351
I'm sure a lot of Christians in Europe's Middle and Modern Ages and were very forgiving of the Muslim's Invasions of Europe.

>>148912857
Ennis hasn't killed people
He ain't Varg

Why can't indie comics be this cool again man

>>148867106
>>148911962
You outrage-tilling snowniggers are so goddamn obvious not even Google Translate are able to help you.
>>148913405
Webcomics took the place of olden indie comics and there have been and still are some pretty cool webcomics.

>>148913644
Which webcomics?

>>148913651
Unsounded
Girl Genius, though that was by comic people of the 80s
Gunnerkrigg Court reminds us that burnout and long format stories still go hand in hand.
That’s just the three I see people talk about on /co/.

>>148913651
If you can't come up with one you've never really read any, even casually:
>SSSS, before the creator went nuts and born again, but I repeat myself
>Demon's Mirror
>Digger
>Unsounded, still going btw
>Endtown, deeply rooted in the furry community if that grinds your gears but there are some genuinely cool plot arcs in there and the art's good
>Clown Corps
>Zebra Girl
>Devil's Candy, might have fallen off the rails by now? long time since I last checked
>Ava's Demon RIP in peace
>Derelict, neat if unfinished

>>148908924
No, they were originally published in color, dude. This isn't open to debate.

>>148912857
>and the "Marketplace of Ideas" is just hot air.
You're preaching to the choir, glad you're on the anti-capitalist side my dear queer commie tds muslim
Faggot retard

>>148913705
>>148913788
These don't really look as good. SSSS has the best art, but those faces are horrific.

>>148913644
>Webcomics took the place of olden indie comics

They really haven't. Webcomics are largely just porn and shit designed to sell merch.

>>148914335
>Webcomics are largely just porn and shit designed to sell merch.
Tell us you've never read a single webcomic, without telling us you haven't read a single webcomic, lol

>>148910276
>Getting a sort of the Maxx vibe from the artwork in this?

This is the strangest observation I have ever seen about anything, comics related or otherwise. How in the absolute fuck could you possibly think those two things looks even remotely similar?

>>148906928
Some of these appear to not be scanned.

>>148914480
>reddit memes

You are the worst poster in this thread by far.

>>148914307
>"Anyone who's against the Marketplace of Ideas is a leftist"
The Marketplace of Ideas IS a left-wing concept, championed by leftists for centuries as a way to undermine the power of the monarchy/state (both were practically the same a la "l'Etat c'est moi"). Of course, things have changed considerably since the 20th Century, as true laissez-faire capitalism has been replaced in all but name by the Managerialism of FDR's New Deal Admin.

>>148864689 (OP)
Are we the ZOT!?

>>148912363
kek

>>148910797
Just read an issue of it. It's just some second rate hack ripping off Krazy Kat under the pretense of an "homage/pastiche".

The 1980s was the peak era for indie comics.

>>148916956
Superhero comics too.

>>148908120
Nah, he's based.

I've been considering doing daily storytimes of old comics, 1 issue per day, mosty focusing on 80s indie comics, but with a general "anything goes" approach.

How many people would come to /co/ on a daily (or at least most days) basis to read and participate in threads like that?

>>148917645
Maybe
Depends on the comic I guess
I was personally thinking about marathoning Trollords (at least what I can get)

>>148865707
How do you even read it?

>>148904482
Remember when Mike Richardson made a whole comic venting over it?

>>148905770
>>148904566
Forgot a page

>>148864689 (OP)
Ok op, you convinced me, I'm going to read it.
But you should think about doing a storytime of this comic.

>>148918451
With mine eyes.

>>148918546
https://desuarchive.org/_/search/subject/zot%20storytime/
It had one in 2019

>>148908912
>Tesla

>>148864689 (OP)
>>148918690
The art and the full pages are pretty damn nice
>inb4 "muh color" nigs

>>148918481
Thanks. I'll read the article later.

>>148864689 (OP)
The ZOT!?

>>148917645
More power to you, but even new comics only get like 3-4 responders and I don't have the will to deal with that disappointment.

>>148920467
Lots of us lurkers though, but I'll admit that we're a kinda hollow argument.

>>148864780
>put a serious character in a lighthearted world
>instantly the best shit ever

Thank you for your knowledge, /co/mrades
So much non big two stuff to track down and read, not enough time

>>148920646
you're welcome!

>>148917645
I'm here pretty often, but I know most comic readers aren't.

>>148920574
You're cowards that let good threads die.

>>148871736
Full moon!

It better be good.

Never heard of it, and don't care either
Just so you know. I'm surprised that this thread survived this long

>>148864689 (OP)
More ZOT!

>>148922197
If you didn't care, you wouldn't have replied.

>>148922180
It is.

>>148918546
I'm seconding this.

>>148920467
Another reason why we NEED a board split.

>>148924961
Eh, just open readcomicsonline in another tab or whatever. Why would you have a board specially for Anons to slave away at posting comics with a goddamn 90 sec poast timer? Sounds like janny duty...

>>148920646
Most of this thread has been about 90s indie comics, weirdly enough. The 80s were even better for that.

>>148925166
>resorting to RCO for piracy

>>148925166
>90 sec poast timer

wat

>>148924961
Board split isn't an option
We'll just end up like /xs/ to a hypothetical /ca/'s /pw/

>>148925166
>Advantages of storytiming
- Introducing Anons to more comics
- Creating discussion that could lead to more people having an idea of what they like and what they'd want to recommend
- Renewed interest in obscure creators and works
- Possible OC creation if lucky

>Downside of storytiming
- It's tedious, it's easy like George Jetson's day job but it's fucking tedious especially when the storytime has to gone for hours let alone possibly has to extend through a new thread
- Lack of traction is utter demoralizing

If the thread lasts a whole 24 hours or at least created at least one OC, the storytime's considered a success in my book.

>>148925338
Wrong. You're completely delusional.

>>148913644
yes, we know that you're a hysterical faggot, now go jump off a bridge, degenerate.

>>148925791
When was the last time the comic side of /co/ did anything comparable to catalog since the Steven bombs?

>>148912857
>>148914335
>>148915124
>>148925793
>all this ESL seething

>>148925873
>"I'm not only gay, but I go to bath house orgies and get my amhole blown out by Jamal Ginsberg"
yawn, put some oinment on your bum you booty-blasted sissy faggot degenerate

>>148918457
The OG Dobson

>>148925956
you tourist fags really are the fucking worst at trying to damage control when being called out, no clue about culture, context nor even the actual language you're spamming in

>>148927229
>doubles down
Scott McCloud is a degenerate who supports other degenerates and is friends is degenerates. you're a degenerate, kill yourself this pride month, faggot.

>>148927229
>pozzed faggot cries about "muh tourists" on some site
and what're you? oh, that's right, you're a butt-hurt sissy faggot who gets his asshole blown out by degenerates just like him. Kill yourself, you waste of air.

>>148864689 (OP)
Scott McCloud gets his asshole blown out by Jamal on the downlow, and he masturbates to child porn

>>148864689 (OP)
Read this in high school entirely on whim cause I read about Scott McCloud's work on understanding comics all from references to him in the Housepets webcomic
...weird how that happened, feels like forever ago

>>148877399
I can't remember much from zot aside from 9jack9 but the robot that tried to mass suicide the world just to see if souls were real really stuck with me

>>148879473
i only recognize omaha frank and cerebus

>>148901939
yeah, I've at least heard of albedo and critters just cause of the UY connection
I wish that kind of old furry art style was still around

>>148864689 (OP)
Yes

>>148928109
>not Buddy Bradley
>not Milk & Cheese
>not Too Much Coffee Man
>not the Strangers in Paradise hoes

I'm getting old if those are obscure now.

>>148927606
>>148927672
>>148927806
>literally can't stop obsess and rant about gay men having sex
Seems like a (You) problem: https://x.com/Razordeep/status/1576969996223139840

>>148931683
>"no, you're gay!"
yawn, faggot, go kill yourself, you're such an nuisance and your floppies are garbage worthy of being used for tinder.

>>148932340
>your floppies

who the fuck are you talking to

>>148932513
>floppies
That's Google Translate does for ESL tourists: Probably some third world saying that doesn't come across well in English.

>>148932513
"I'll call you schizo to discredit you!" - sissy-faggot reading garbage floppies
>>148932555
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/floppy#Noun
Be quiet, a wise man is speaking, and comics as a medium and industry are dead

>>148932567
is this a fucking bot

>>148932579
>"You're a homosexual"
>"You're a schizophrenic"
>You're a robot"
Keep going, sissy faggot, you get off listing imaginary pejoratives for your enemies. I don't even need to imagine anything to know what and who (you) are.

>>148904566
>>148918481
How many of the comics listen in the middle there have you read, /co/?

How many of the publishers have you even HEARD of?

>>148914480
He can't be serious.

>>148933826
Doesn't matter if they're serious or not, their objective is to derail threads and spread misinformation, /pol/-spam basically, since they have no interest in or knowledge about the thread subjects:
>>>148867106
>>>148912857
>>>148914335 etc. etc.
This Mongolian basket weaving forum is probably the most astroturfed place on the internet, twitter aside:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOY4Ka-GBus&t=47s

>>148932829
I'd say most /co/lleagues have probably come across a Love & Rockets and Lost Wolf & Cub issue or two? Dark Horse's stuff is still pretty recognizable as well. I bought the Albedo RPG decades ago, but I never actually realized it started out as a comic until fairly recently. I'm also surprised Xenozoic Tales wasn't on the list under Kitchen Sink?
>>148925190
Eh, it's the easiest accessible and widely available source, got a fairly good supply and shouldn't be an issue to use if you're running just the most elementary adblocker.

>>148923134
>the same time as Miracleman
Earlier. This is from #10.

>>148924961
This.

>>148925338
It's the only option.

>>148907958
awful

>>148864707
Me too. I never heard of it before desu.

>>148864689 (OP)
Just tried reading this and found it terribly boring.

>>148937769
I call bullshit

>>148936461
That's what haphazard colorization does to b&w comics. If you need to have colors in comics those must be present in the originals when they are being created.
>original resolution: https://www.comicartfans.com/gallerypiece.asp?piece=2034330

>>148870185
>>148879628
>>148870497
>>148870108
>>148902038

>>148938308
Scout is not and never was "colorized" though. The entire series was ALWAYS in color.

>>148937769
How many issues in did you get?

>>148939335
Probably not even one.

>>148938308
Good colors are harder than people think.

>>148940075
No shit, genius.

>all this talk about old indie furry shit
>not one mention of Cutey Bunny

This used to be huge on 90s internet. The rule 34 more so than the comics lol.

>>148941133
>>148941143
This furry shit is a blight.

>>148941344
Agreed, but if you remember what of it was actually popular in indie comics back in the day then the lack of even a single mention of Cutey Bunny is shocking. That was possibly one of the single biggest subjects of early internet rule 34.

>>148869996
Do you ever wish some of them got an animated adaptation series?

Speaking of old indie comics, remember when Eddie Campbell's Bacchus was up there with Concrete in the amount of critical acclaim it got. I always find it weird that it didn't retain a larger following given that it's basically the comic that Neil Gaiman spent his entire career ripping off.

>>148942259
I like Bacchus more than Concrete and Sandman.

>>148904566
>Apple

They published a bunch of other stuff including one of the first TRULY realistic war comics, Vietnam Journal.

>>148942169
I really, really don't.

>>148942718
Don Lomax basically built his entire career around doing "gritty, realistic war comics" YEARS before Garth Ennis.

>>148918481
>Second City

This ended up being a helluva find. Would strongly recommend. It's about a sci-fi future "utopia" that's actually a total fucking nightmare. Cliched concept, but it's stylistically unique and well written and drawn.

>>148942718
>Vietnam Journal

Holy shit this is actually really good.

>>148942870
https://youtu.be/768qwYDMPoM?feature=shared&t=16

>>148942951
Aren't most war comics gritty and realistic?

>>148943370
I don't remember if I read that or not.

>>148945065
Depends on a lot of factors.

>>148946211
Does that count as a war comic?

>>148939335
About four and a half.

We had a thread about The Silent Invasion a while back.

>>148946473
Inches?

>>148946429
Nah it's just a really good comic

>>148948378
Alright.

>>148946473
It gets good at #5.

>>148943611
I'll check it out.

>>148945065
No.

>>148864707
No. Should I have?

>>148949128
It's good from the beginning. That guy possibly just has shit taste.

>>148950174
Then what the fuck's the point?

>>148950680
Could be.

>>148951069
What are you talking about?

>>148864707
Think it's just cause the comic still doesn't have that many weeks,but i'm sure we'll get more poc characters soon enough

>>148943370
>>148918481
>>148942259
Harrier Comics was an interesting publisher. They were actually British, but they specialized in material in the style of American indie comics. I'm surprised that they aren't more remembered.

>>148952470
>in the style of American indie comics
How's that?

>>148953063
Look up some of their stuff and you'll see. If you're at all familiar with British comics, you'd never guess that any of it was British.

>>148943370
>All four issues scanned
If I ever feel like coming out of retirement than yeah sure I can storytime it if it's blue board friendly

>>148953156
Looks British to me.

>>148937769
That's a pity, I'm glad you gave it a try though anon. That's more than most people do on this site.

>>148953526
not as british as you, UwU~

>>148906928
>Castle Waiting
Oooh, I remember finding out about it from an article in Bild & Bubbla way back in 2002. The art they featured was really nice and made me want to read more. It featured a short story featuring the bearded nun and this little devil head guy that was very cozy to read.

Just stopping in to say how nice it is that a thread about old indie comics lasted a week on /co/.

>>148954918
It should have reached bump limit sooner.

>>148954332
mate...

>>148954332
You do realise people here are british , right?

>>148952470
Any other recs?

>>148955547
Why?

>>148864689 (OP)
More like give me all you ZOT!

>>148959350
More discussion is less time means the topic is hotter.

>>148959350
Also, long-lasting threads are a sign of a slow board or a board with bigger problems. Since this isn't a slow board, it's the latter.

>>148959350
>Why?
https://youtu.be/2toRG6kl6NU?si=r0TUOdgykrpWU08F&t=6

>>148958392
Swiftsure and Shock Therapy are arguably worth looking into. But their most noteworthy stuff was pretty much anything by Eddie Campbell, which includes Deadface, Bacchus, Ace, and By The Time I Get To Wagga Wagga.

>>148864689 (OP)
cute

?

>>148961226
Interesting.

>>148962582
Not really. You're just very desperate.

>>148955547
Yeah, but we can't win em all.

>>148952215
What do you mean?

>>148955547
The typical comics thread on /co/ gets between zero and a few dozen replies AT MOST. This is MUCH more successful of a thread.

Man, seeing all of these indie comic recommendations and checking them out is making me depressed.

I remember years and years back, when I got into reading comics in the first place, I mostly read webcomics. And one of them was Scott Kurtz's PvP. The guy kept shittalking indies and Scott McCloud so much, I thought it was normal to ignore that whole world.

Now I find out that there's a whole world of great stuff I ignored for decades because of a guy who most of the industry can't stand.

>>148864689 (OP)
What kind of name is zot?

>>148964739
Goes to show, having tastemakers with actual taste does matter. Think of how many potentially great books there have been that never got any discussion cause people got caught up in internet haterade.

>>148964739
This thread has mostly been about 90s indie comics (which is weird, because Zot! is from the 80s). But the 80s was easily the better decade for indie comics (Zot! being only one of many things worth reading from the period).

>>148965294
A friend of mine once took me to some small hole in the wall shop in new york, east village books I think. They had a bunch of old indie comic zines from the 80s and 90s. It was really awesome, kinda familiar enough that you could tell some of those guys were using usenet and there was some conceptual continuity from that culture, to some surviving lingering thing in current culture. Its a shame so little of it is preserved outside of dusty old shelves.

>>148965380
>old indie comic zines

Actual zines or just the comics magazines of the time? (I could actually understand someone confusing the two lol.)

>>148965426
Definitely zines, there was stuff old enough that it had plastic spiral binders that were starting to come apart, stuff that was xerox'd and printed in such questionable quality that I don't even know how you'd reproduce it digitally, and subject matter that was so completely specific/fetishistic theres no way it'd fly in a magazine. I'm curious what comic magazines that were that old would even look like, I've checked out old wizard magazines but nothing older than like 94

>>148965452
>>148965270
>>148963095
>>148962582
An endangered species in a world where zoomers only care about anime looking girls

Favorite character
https://youtu.be/Q0wpvRCdir0?si=iWLrhUkUkA0B2xyH&t=20

Just read the original 10-issue run. What a blast. Such a great comic. I might order the black-and-white collection of the following issues. Did Scott ever give the webcomic an ending?

>>148965447
Comics magazines go back to the 60s. You had Alter Ego being publish VERY infrequently beginning in 1961 by Jerry Bails (arguably the most important person in the history of fandom, comics related or otherwise) and later by Roy Thomas. Comics Buyer's Guide goes back to 1971 (under a slightly different title) and The Comics Journal dates back to 1974 (under its original name of The Nostalgia Journal). The Comic Reader also dates back to 1961 (I'm not sure if it or Alter Ego came first, but I'm reasonably sure it was published far more regularly). Rocket's Blast Comicollector also goes back to the 60s.

The 80s had (in addition to the above-mentioned titles that were still in print) Amazing Heroes, Comics Feature, the short lived Comics Scene, and (my favorite) Comics Interview.

Over in the UK, there were some British comics fan mags like Fantasy Advertiser (going back to 1965 and found by Frank Dobson, the "Jerry Bails" of British comics fandom), BEM (dating back to 1973), and a few others by the 90s.

>>148965478
I actually like her because she reminds me a bit of Asa

>>148965720
wat

>>148965879
nothing

well, can he?

you are a fucking genius, zot

>>148966292
Why hadn't this been considered before? It seemed so obvious.

>>148967546
I know, rite?

>>148966177
This world gives me such a wonderful sense of longing. The world where you could be bored.

>>148966177
Well yeah, Zot is like captain marvel

>>148965294
Personally I'm kind of fascinated by the early 2000's since that felt like a last gasp in a post crash world
I know self-publishing and small publishers still exists but the "culture" feels so much more different

>>148969515
There's definitely less good stuff coming out recently.

>>148938765
>Amelia Rules
Oh right, that was originally self-published

>>148966292
lol

Mage?

>>148971870
There was a thread a month ago IIRC

>>148965494
>Did Scott ever give the webcomic an ending?
Yeah but it's only one arc
It's a self contained story

>>148972592
Better than nothing, at least gives people some closure.

>>148972574
A few months ago.

>>148969515
The wide adoption of the internet really changed things. From piracy to just cutting the middleman and making webcomics instead, the "prestige" has been lost.

>>148973517
You know that lunch table meme?
You could probably do an easy one with indie comics because of how close knit and community oriented it is/was.

>>148972797
Honestly?
The series doesn't have full closure since 9-Jack-9 is still out there but I figured that was the point

>>148963759
Not him but I like Jenny more for her personality

Eclipse Comics was something else.

>>148975379
First Comics too.

>>148973381
It's ogre...

>>148864689 (OP)
>every genuine miracle and act of humanity become even more precious
That'sJustAsinine.gif

Board too fast

>>148977780
This is pretty aweome. The artist who drew this did a great work on the cover art.

>>148978543
What kind of stupid pills are you taking?

>>148979538
so mean

>>148979538
Not that poster, but what are you talking about?

>>148979538
C'mon man, just give me a break. I just want an excuse to bump this thread. You know how tiring it is to bump a thread?

>>148981664
So let it die.

>>148982152
No

>>148982152
Ok

>>148864689 (OP)
Looks like a Shazam ripoff

>>148864707
i haven't either, but if it's that good maybe someone will storytime it and i'll give it a shot.

>Attacked by random thugs
>Looked down on by strangers passing by on the street.
and going full "I don't like this world, it doesn't help each other" is funny, I'm not going to lie
Because we've already seen their world and it's full of bad things too, it's just that it's a futuristic scenario
He was just ashamed and rage quit that world.

>>148984539
>and going full "I don't like this world, it doesn't help each other" is funny, I'm not going to lie
Yeah and despite that, Zot still loves Jenny's world more than she loves it

I kinda speed read this comic, but why doesn't Zot wear a force field like the monkey brother and other tech stuff, in addition to his flight boots and laser gun? It seems like he really needs a defense.

How many ZOT! comics you read so far?

>>148983731
Shazam has a gun?

>>148984768
I think the problem with the Force Field was that it was made for a literal chimp and it still had a limited battery life and the belt as a whole was more of an emergency device
Zot being bigger probably would've made the force field last less and we don't know how efficient that thing is
It's better to dodge something than risk the chance of tanking it so I doubt it'd be something he'd be over relying on given his whole shtick is more about evasion with his jet boots

>>148985470
Looks so appealing like this.

>>148985775
yeh

>>148984659
I know that, but I mean, Zot's world wasn't full of people helping each other either (we see a lot of crazy religious fanatics and poor people en masse). The same thing would most likely happen to him if he got too confident and carelessly went where he shouldn't go in his own world.

>>148984539
McCloud is a better artist than writer. He definitely overlooks a lot of details while thinking he's being more clever than he is.

>>148983731
Not even slightly.

>>148987251
False.

>>148988966
I feel it could have gone in the direction of the technological level and the way it is used in both worlds.
Zot has to see people dying from diseases that in his world would be solved with a pill or how divided our world is and the way nuclear bombs are used as a threat and weapons.
Maybe something about how there are evil people in his world but none would dare to kill thousands in such a horrible way as radiation or how fragmented the earth is.

10 days?

>>148985470
I've got black and white collection, so I've read everything expect the first 10 issues.
Will change that next week when the book collecting them arrives

>>148979538
It makes sense in context since that's literally how one of the villains sees the world

>>148864689 (OP)
We should more fanart of this series.

>>148966177
>Incle stand for Brown ugly short guys with blading issues
Can the white guy with blonde hair superhero help the brown bitch from the Brown incle menace who is a virgin and wants to Merry her ungrateful non virgin ass... she wants to be saved!!

>>148987251
wat

>>148975928
Does that comic company has the same continuity with that comic company or are they separated?

>>148992445
You mean are First and Eclipse related?

>>148992905
Yes. That's what I'm really want to ask.

>>148993092
They're two unrelated companies. But they were around at the same time and were the most successful indie publishers of their era.

>>148993252
Oh, I see then.

>>148864689 (OP)
This is a pretty fun thread.

>>148975379
Oh hey, Hotspur near the bottom left. I don't know anyone else who's read that.

>>148994976
>Hotspur
What should i know about this?

>>148995304
John Ostrander comic about an actor who gets transported to a fantasy world, decides to play at being a swashbuckling hero in a world where the curse of a sex goddess has made all the men impotent, frustrating women and gay barbarians (yes) alike.