Thread 148973624

>No Calvin & Hobbes animated Christmas special
>No stuffed Hobbes doll
>No Calvin and Hobbes: The Terror of Susie SNES game

Seriously. What the FUCK was his problem!

>>148973624 (OP)
Dignity

>>148973624 (OP)
Too based for /co/.

>>148973624 (OP)
He was based and decided he didn't want to do those things with his art.
>BUT I WANT-
Too bad. Not your art and he owns the rights. The world isn't here to serve you.

>>148973804
Thanks Flapjack

>>148973804
I read this in Flapjack's voice lmao

>>148973624 (OP)
He was already rich so it was easy for him to keep his dignity.

>>148973804
>The world isn't here to serve you.

Yes it is.

Hobbes is my comfort character and it’s literally violence I don’t get a stuffy of him.

>>148973912
Kys frogtroon

>>148973624 (OP)
>terror of susie

spaceman spiff, stupendous man, revenge of the babysat, and T-Rex fighter pilots

>>148974744
This. Maybe it's for the best that Calvin and Hobbes never gets tie-in merch and stuff like that. We can avoid the IP getting mismanaged by dopes like that anon.

>>148973624 (OP)
>>148973804
>>148974726
/co/ will rave about Bill Watterson maintaining his integrity but will always shit on Scott Ramsoomair for not taking licensing offers when VG Cats was still popular

>>148973624 (OP)
Honestly his works are very mid, so he saved the world for another mid series being over exposed...

>>148975791
Shut up retard

>>148975791
wrong. it could easily be argued he is the greatest cartoonist of all time

>>148973912
go back to sucking dicks on reddit

>>148975846
Then he wouldn't need multimedia shit to be relevant, which he no longer is. Sounds like a product of his time...

>>148975447
/co/ will always shit on Scott because at the time of him getting offered those licensing deals webcomics getting any sort of deals like that were rare. They were rare opportunities that no one would have considered possible at the time and anyone else would have taken them.
It also doesn't help that Scott didn't do anything big with VG Cats, the comic disappeared for over a decade and by the time he comes back the times had already changed and gag strips were phased out for more plot heavy centric webcomics. Penny Arcade can get away with being a gag strip out of seniority, they've kept themselves in the public eye, not VG Cats who fell into obscurity
Further mishandling of the strips was when Scott tried garnering subscribers via drawing porn of his characters but not being good at drawing in general. The porn wasn't good and the artist Joelasko already had that market cornered

I don't know Scotts reasoning for negging on the licensing offers but the landscapes Watterson and Scott were in were different enough that Scott not taking the deal would hurt him more than Watterson going "lol nah"

>>148973804
Those peanuts specials have more soul than any Calvin and hobbes

>>148973624 (OP)
I can imagine Watterson approving some animated specials, getting frustrated from the studio system and lack of crative input, then walking out partway through production and forbidding any adaptations ever again.

>>148973829
kek

>>148975447
>/co/ will rave about Bill Watterson maintaining his integrity but will always shit on Scott Ramsoomair for not taking licensing offers when VG Cats was still popular
Watterson wanted to make a living creating art which is what he did, ramoosair made a gag strip akin to garfield. Apples and oranges.

>>148976291
Shut up fag

>>148976256
>the artist Joelasko already had that market cornered
But he draws Aeris with huge tits.

>>148976291
They change a lot of the characters so much they're distinct from the original strip. I can understand why an artist wouldn't want something like that.

>>148973804
Based Flapjack

>>148974726
Make one yourself if you want it that badly

>>148973624 (OP)
People who complain about there not being any C&H merch will also be the ones complaining about how soulless the merch we do get is after Wattersons death. It will happen eventually and it's going to suck when it does.

>>148976518
Because of the specials and merchandise many people, probably most people, think Snoopy is a loyal dog who is Charlie Brown's best friend.

Can you imagine how softened Calvin would be in the public imagination if there was a lot of merchandise or adaptations? People would think he's an adorable kid who occasionally acts out, instead of a jerk with a sympathetic side.

But the characters are generally only known from the strip, so most people know Calvin as Watterson wanted them to know him.

>>148976359
Mostly he didn't want specific voices assigned to his characters, and was nervous about how Hobbes' dual nature would be portrayed.

>>148977321
Oh god, don't remind me. His corpse is going to still be warm by the time some studio announces they have the rights to make a movie.

>>148973624 (OP)
Do we seriously not have a photo of this guy from this century?

>>148976507
>But he draws Aeris with huge tits.
And that's a good thing.

>>148976256
In PA's case even they say there's no real reason to continue the comic anymore save for the fact that they get backlash any time they consider stopping it, they say they'd be happy just existing as PAX and their side projects

>>148978524
the dude is notoriously camera shy. just be happy that Berke Breathed has somehow stopped him from going full Ted Kaczynski

>>148973624 (OP)
>No Calvin and Hobbes: The Terror of Susie SNES game

Don't you mean Attack of the Deranged Mutant Killer Monster Snow Goons for the Genesis?

>>148974741
>>148975807
>>148975868
I am literally the most important person ever. The entire world was created just for me.

>>148973624 (OP)
I like his mustache

I’m still surprised he rejected animated Calvin and Hobbes.

>>148982087
Didn't want to create a "definitive" or "official" voice for the characters lest it clash with people's own interpretations. On top of that animated adaptations are notorious for being shitshows in terms of creator's intent vs studio's desires

>>148980609
Kys

>>148982198
But then the universe will be forever bereft of me.

Cast the entire comic’s character roster for a cartoon adaptation.

>>148982318
You dont know that. Try it and see.

>>148982318
I'm looking straight at you and I'm still not sure you exist.

He had artistic integrity, unlike 99% of "artists".
If you want cartoons and games make them yourself then. Fanworks are a thing.

>>148973804
Flappy's blond curls are so cute!

>>148973624 (OP)
Thanks for confirming we're in the good timeline

>>148973624 (OP)
Make your own fucking doll, cunt.

>>148973624 (OP)
>>148978524
OP is lazy ho who puts no effort in his bait because OP knows his copy pasta will always get enough replies to satisfy his attention whore needs.

He's like that lazy hooker who actually likes sex and would give it away for free, but someone needs to pay for her booze or ciggies.

>>148982183
I could see it going well if it was in the hands of Bill Melendez.

>No Calvin and Hobbes: The Terror of Susie SNES game


that feel when cant get past the spaceman spiff mini game and need the cheat code

>>148973624 (OP)
Didn't interest him, and that's just fine. Not everything needs to be toyetic. I can definitely appreciate that, as I want to make a cartoon, and while I know toys and merch would help, I'd still prefer people enjoy the show for what it is and not just that it has cool and fancy merch.

>>148985225
Don't even get me started on level 6-3 with the fucking rolling trees that seem to have fucking heat-seeking capabilities since they always hit even when you jump at the right time.

>>148973624 (OP)
That man is probably the biggest most influential comic book creator ever. Think about it, there's no (official) adaption of his work, people don't know Kalvin and Hobbes from tv or movies and then maybe check out the source material like it happens to Marvel and DC, there's only the comics. He doesn't need a big Hollywood studio adapting his work to the masses, he's managed to achieve that all by himself.

>>148986351
This. Would it have been cool if we had gotten toys, games, and animated media? Sure. But at the same time, the comics are more special by virtue of not having any baggage from the Hollywood machine or the animation industry. Disney probably wants its mousy mitts all over Calvin and Hobbes, and yet it'll never happen. So no live-action film with a transboy as Calvin and a black transwoman as Hobbes filled to the brim with Nicki Manaj songs. Or a Pixar film with the same artstyle as Turning Red

>>148974726
Just learn to crochet or hire someone on Etsy

>>148983322
Kind of surprised someone hasn't done a retro SNES style game, or even something like that one Garfield PC game, the one where he's sucked into the TV. Calvin and Hobbes certainly has potential in the gaming realm with Calin's imagination alone, and far as I understand, Bill Watterson isn't lawyer happy. He probably wouldn't want fan stuff rubbed in his face, but from I know, he's not sending the flying monkeys on people for the few C&H stuff people have made over the decades.

>>148977321
I wouldn't put it past him to prevent his estate from ever doing anything until it all becomes public domain.

>>148973624 (OP)
He who controls the slop, controls the world.

>>148973624 (OP)
>no slop
>no slop
>no slop
what's your problem?

>>148977321
If there was official merch we wouldn't have Calvin peeing decals on the back of pick up trucks.

>>148975791
>>148975963
I've been seeing you around on other threads and you're getting on my nerves, which I assume is the point because I refuse to believe you exist sincerely and not as a persona made for posting

>>148987701
>good stuff
>slop
Man, you guys are retards

>>148973624 (OP)
No, no, you made it too playful. If you want to mimic that old schizo you need to be genuinely confused going "WHY didn't he monetize it?!", not playfully imagining what they would've created

>>148987744
And how is that a bad thing?

>>148987887
Hello Mr. Iger. Still counting down the seconds until Bill Watterson dies, I take?

>>148987887
>Mass produced, cheap, low effort slop
>Good stuff
Consoomer detected.

>>148987927
I’m not Iger you retard

>>148987950
Retard

>>148987960
>I’m not Iger
Sounds suspiciously like something an Iger would say...

>>148987960
Whatever you say, Bob.

>>148987973
You don't have to sign your posts.

>>148987979
>>148987982
Tell me what’s wrong with a videogame, i mean it’s not like it could alter that much the public perception of a series?

>>148988026
Just make one yourself. The tools are there.

>>148988074
I don’t know how

>>148988428
Learn. The tutorials are there.

>>148988625
I refuse

>>148989448
Kill yourself. The means are there.

>>148989992
Not an argument

>>148973624 (OP)
The world is better for his sacrifices. His comic strip is all that is needed.

>>148978524
It's still funny perhaps he is the only person on earth alive today that we only have black and white photos of to use as reference

>>148978524
We'll have to wait for his death just like with Steve Ditko.

>>148973624 (OP)
>Watterson is anti capitalist
>but also a capitalist when it comes to his book sales.

Why is he s hypocrite?

>>148991304
grim..

>>148989992
That's not me

>>148989992
That is me

>Didn't give a shit about credit
>Wrote stories for himself
>Only really cared about taking care of his family
>Didn't read fan mail
>Inspired all of anime
>Inspired Indiana Jones
>Inspired the Simpsons

>>148992513
They say that Carl barks, but they never say why Carl barks...

Any adapation would be inferior to the original and you know it. Further, I don't think the western parental public would have tolerated him on TV. He constantly questioned authority figures, and compared belief in god to belief in santa.

>>148992958
>Any adapation would be inferior to the original and you know it
You don't know that

>>148987156
A C&H game wouldn't work because it is technically impossible to make sure that it always plays differently. That's, like, the only single rule.

>>148992958
>Further, I don't think the western parental public would have tolerated him on TV.
Given the time period that they were suggesting a TV show he actually would have fit right in, that was when The Simpsons, Beavis and Butthead, and Ren and Stimpy were all taking off.

>>148992513
The based God loving chad artist
>>148973624 (OP)
The Zeta blue pilled cuck

>>148973635
FPBP

>>148977555
>most people know Calvin as Watterson wanted them to know him.
Nah, they still remember it however they like. Do not underestimate the power of pleb psychology.

>>148973624 (OP)
He was probably autistic or something.

>>148995261
or something?

>>148973624 (OP)
>still makes Bill seethe to this day

>>148973624 (OP)
What it came down to was he didn’t want the headache of running a Paws Inc style operation. He wanted to draw cartoons and live his life, not spend his time supervising other artists.

I'm so fucking glad I never cared about Reddit and Hobbes if this is the only discussion to be had about it

>>148996384
mischievous little BRAT

>>148973624 (OP)
The irony to me is that Calvin wants to be famous but Bill wouldn't sell him out. It's like Evan Dorkin turning down a bunch of offers to do shit with Milk & Cheese, two other characters with the gimmick of wanting to be famous but the creator wouldn't sell them out. The closest he got was Milk & Cheese and Murder Family shirts getting on Roseanne and that happened organically because either a comic nerd worked on the show or Roseanne found out about it. I'm leaning towards the former as Norm MacDonald was a Roseanne writer with Joss Whedon and Norm collected Neil Gaiman's Sandman and Joss is such a nerd that he wrote for X-Men.

>>148996441
Even above that, he didn't want Calvin and Hobbes to be anything but a comic strip. Books, calendars, journals, he's okay with those being made because Calvin stays as a strip. However, I remember when Far Side shirt were really popular and I don't remember C&H having strips printed on clothing. Just by doing that, the t-shirts with C&H smoking weed and cursing and being unsavory could have been stopped. But Watterson wanted the comics to stay on paper. It keeps his commentary on impurity pure.

>>148992530
Because he was autistic about science, history, and geography so you'd get these really interesting stories where you learn something cool. His art seems influential in as far as Disney is influential as a whole but man, he wrote great adventure stories. You can tell he had genuine love for it because he wrote these books for children and they still get read and loved by adults so many years later (wasn't his last Uncle Scrooge story like 30 years ago?)

Hey, faggot! Are you learning to write without asking an AI to do it for you?

>>148973804
FPBP

>>148987701
Some people just want to buy consumerist slop, Anon.

>>148973624 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KckYcuiKAN8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE7nv7BH19Q

>>148973624 (OP)
He was GOOD.

>>148973624 (OP)
It's a bummer we didn't get to have cool collectible stuff, but he's based for not selling out to the Jew. If you want stuff, just make it yourself. Legofags have done a good job of creating stuff.

>>148973624 (OP)
This thread is an attempt to make potential zoomer artists feel "empowered" by stagnating creatively
Waterson was a communist who supported the act of "baby dipping"

>>148994121
I mean, you could make a game with a lot of varied levels/minigames, perhaps something like some of the Simpsons games like Bart's nightmare or the one where he's strapped to a device and you randomly go through different little "games" in no particular order. Now whether it'd be anything noteworthy, who knows, as many licensed games back in the day varied between really good and downright trash.

>>148999914
Maybe there is a ROM hack?

>>148973624 (OP)
what a nice sweater, looks real comfy ^v^

>>149001973
I think the comfiest CaH strip was the one with no dialogue that followed a day in the life of Calvin, from having to wake up early for school, go through his tiresome routine, ending with the most soothing final panel of him in bed.

Wish I could find that exact strip again.

Real artists are fine selling out. I actually don't know a single real artist that wouldn't be fine selling out as long as they kept a degree of creative freedom and veto power, like for example Schulz.

>>149002645
Anyone know what this guy's talking about?

>>148973624 (OP)
old nigger

>>148973624 (OP)
He was stupid

>>148973624 (OP)
Up his own pretentious fag that thought he was making le true art.

>>149002692
Selling out is betraying your principles for personal gain. That's what the phrase means. It can mean other things but that's what people are talking about when they say a person "sold out", as opposed to a business or a concert or whatever.

>>148994268
>>149004389
>>149004660
>>149004706
WIt's his creation and can do wath the fuck he wants it so keep seething

>>148975846
Would be true if not for charles schultz but there's a mile gap between 2nd and 3rd place

Remember when some Italian fan made an animation with mostly traced art for a school project or something and he personally sent a copyright claim to YouTube to take it down?

>>148973624 (OP)
based bill

>>148997019
So you just conveniently miss all the threads that actually discuss the strip?

>>149005008
makes sense, after he got screwed by the pissing Calvin situation he became way more defensive of his copyright.

>>149004834
Not seething, you're projecting. He's a pretentious twat.

I, too, am very angry that this man has made more money than I will ever see in my life doing something he loved and then retired in peace with no regrets

>>148980324
I believe you mean
>Calvin and Hobbes: Homicidal Psycho Jungle Cat for N64, PS1 and Saturn

>>148973624 (OP)
The stuffed Hobbes doll is the most egregious one to me. I can understand not wanting to cheapen the spirit of your art, but it would be a single piece of merch that would require essentially no input on the part of Bill and would have absolutely no impact on the content of the strip. It's essentially free money.

>>148973624 (OP)
He was a privileged, hypocritical hack. You should listen to a REAL artist like David Willis (he/they) instead

>>149005535
He said somewhere in the 10th anniversary book or such that having real Hobbes doll merch would solidify him as a stuffed toy that comes to life and he wanted to leave it up to the reader

>>149005589
What's really funny here is that this guy thinks that Watterson allowing his comic strips to stay in circulation in print media (a literal dying medium) is somehow equivalent to selling out your principles.

Watterson barely does much anymore, keeping C&H in circulation is how he gets paid. Same deal goes for Michelangelo and Leonardo since back in the day, commission work was how you kept yourself alive. This guy just comes across is really bitter; especially with how he's comparing Watterson to artists from the Italian Renaissance.

>>149005589
>>149005652
Holy shit lmao did David Willis even see this yet

>>149005652
I didn't know bill went into advertising

>>149005652
What even was his point lol

>>149005168
Cope and seethe

>>149005535
He doesn't need free money. He's very, very wealthy.

>>149005846
Right back at you.

>>148975447
Not me, because I don't know who that is.

>>149005663
The Willis comic is a response to the Zen Pencils comic.

>>149005589
Wasn't expecting the Jeph Jacques cameo in panel 6.

>>149005652
>>149005711
>>149005663
>>149005589
What's funny about this is that Watterson didn't say any of the shit that Willis seethed about. At no point did Watterson (or Zen Pencils through his illustrations of Watterson's words) say that it's immoral to be paid for art. Just that artists shouldn't feel compelled to compromise their values, when other options are available.

>>149005663
Willis wrote his comic in response to the Zen Pencils ones
>>149005711
I have no idea. I would like to say he’s simply shitting on Zen Pencils since that was the style at the time… but the reason people shat on ZP was because the dude behind it was considered to be a soulless sellout which doesn’t really mesh with the moral of Willis‘s comic. Plus the bit about
>(when [Watterson] was younger than I am right now)
makes it come off like an appeal to authority, like he’s saying "I’m older (and therefore wiser) than Watterson was at the time so you should listen to ME instead" and, IIRC, the original title of the comic was something like "Sometimes our heroes are wrong", AND the fact that Willis a disingenuous idiot asshole with terrible taste makes me think he’s actually bitching about what Watterson specifically was saying.
Anyway here’s the Dobson’s response to ZP which I actually think works really well since he’s clearly saying "Yeah that integrity shit may work for Watterson which is that’s cool and all, but I want that fucking cash"

>>149006140
Whoops, forgot Dobson’s comic