Thread 149019040

Finished reading "my life as a loser" a weeks ago, it had all the designated good characters being fabulously wealthy business owners and influencers and the bad guys end up working at subway(I'm not making this shit up)
I get wanting to be comfortable but what is this korean obsession with being a rich internet celebrity, say what you wanna say about Japan but I have never read a Japanese action series which rides so hard on the concept of being a millionaire, I can't imagine a Japanese or Western series where the MC's "drip" is an important factor for the story

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=va78vtMbEHw

>>149019040 (OP)
It's something about Chaebols being a huge part of Korean life. It's like the korean version of Zaibatsu. I can't recall any manga that was about Zaibatsu.

That and Korea is very much a class based society.

>>149019040 (OP)
I'm pretty sure that between this, Chinese cultivation fiction (if I understand it properly, it may be another extremely popular and common Chinese power fantasy fiction), and Japanese isekai, you have the same basic societal desires for escape, freedom, and glory when the reality is that most of the readers of this stuff are powerless bugs and well aware of the fact.

They tend to be obsessed with status and it's probably a side effect of many of them rapidly becoming so much richer in the last 30 years

>>149019320
Japanese content at least has some good variety and can be genuine, but literally every manhwa or manhua is based on pre-existing video game magic systems, even the alleged well-made series fall in these settings

>>149019585
Japanese Manga are higher quality too. Sure they don't have color, but they are so addictive.

>>149019320
I call them Korean petty revenge comics.

There's like three or four youtube channels that the algorithm periodically tries to push that have these terribly voice acted Korean comics about characters with Japanese names who have things like "I stopped to help a lady on my way to work and got fired, but then..." and it's the same shit every time with things just working out for them because the bad guys are stupid and destroy themselves, or they were dating the boss's daughter or something idiotic like that.

>>149019585
>>149019594
Japanese manga's are still traditionally published they also have editors that keep their writers in check, Toriyama’s editors made him shift his gag-manga series more action oriented, adding Vegeta as a rival character, and also giving them families for the female demographic, the Korean and Chinese comic Industry's are all online based and have started relatively recently, they have no built in form quality control.

>>149019320
>Capeshit enters the room
Well, action movies in general. Actually, sitcoms, too. Our entertainment is full of courageous people taking decisive action and flinging zingers every which way because a deadlocked bipolar society full of people who can't string two logical sentences together, let alone some with wit, really really wish they weren't that way.

>>149019585
I didn't get far enough into God of High School but it didn't seem that way. Tower of God is weirdly both an exception and the rule.

>>149019040 (OP)
Korea is everything negative people think about Japanese culture on steroids. You're either rich and working for one of the chaebols or you're loser who should kill themselves. There's no middle ground.

>>149019040 (OP)

This is sort of unrelated but i seriously fucking hate all the MMO propaganda in Korean webcomics.

The best Korean Webcomics are the hentai or the murim with good art

>>149019689
Likely why whenever I glance and skim on webtoon, they all look so generic and there's just so much of it

>>149019689
Yeah... Chinese and Koreans are extremely new to this medium compared to Japan (or the West). I don't know how these country perceive their own comics but if it's anything like Japan, the overall population may regard mangas and their creators as immature and perverted and unlike Japan they don't have old masters who elevated the medium yet.

Or this could be a bigger problem too. Japanese animation studios have always produced slop show for otakus to pay the bills or to produce an original show/movie but the later has become way less substainable over the years so studios have nor reason to/can't take as many risks. So it may be that on top of being a young medium, you have to appeal to chinese and korean otakus for this to be substainable or to just exist on the map.

>>149019040 (OP)
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>>149019320
There is a broader third world mentality that you need to understand, not all third world people have this mentality, but most do. It also has to do with masculinity. The Western masculine idea is very different from the rest of the world, the idea of working hard to achieve your dreams, having a good work ethic, but also valuing inventiveness and adaptability. All these values would label you as a sucker in India, Africa or Korea, hard work is not appreciated, it's your position that is valued, basically the man's man in the West is Rambo, who doesn't need anyone and can do everything for himself, but will help others selflessly, while the man's man in the third-world is a rich, popular man who has others to do work for him.

>>149019040 (OP)
Thanks for the blog

>>149019040 (OP)
Korean Manhwa
>Absolute Badass gets reincarnated into a highschooler

Japanese Manga
>Highschooler gets reincarnated into an absolute badass


Why?

>>149021241
>Or this could be a bigger problem too. Japanese animation studios have always produced slop show for otakus to pay the bills or to produce an original show/movie but the later has become way less substainable over the years so studios
Even with that they are still producing more interesting cartoons than the west on an yearly basis. Also otaku shows like Genshiken can be great.

>>149021363
You might be a bit wrong about india. I mainly basing this of RRR and other bolly action movies but I think it's that you have to be innately great to be a great man. To India if your not already amazing than you simply can't be amazing.

Bamp

Koreans are more aggressive than Japs. It makes sense to why most of their mangas are revenge or success stories.
Japanese manga have NTR beta bitch MCs who get shriveled up at the slightest touch from a woman.

>>149023869
I wouldn't say they are aggressive, they come across as guys who will bully anyone they have even a little bit of power over, but refuse to confront someone who is actually stronger or even equal to them.

>>149023006
When you get into it, RRR is still part of that fantasy. There’s an inherent inferiority complex that you wouldn’t see in a Western action movie, like one scene the two heroes win a dance battle against the British and all the white women swoon for them (it reminded me of that scene from India 2020).
But most importantly, the two historical figures that the characters are supposed to be based on, both failed miserably in their uprisings and weren’t even defeated by the British army, but by the local police. Imagine a Western movie about Custer’s last stand, where Custer single-handedly defeated thousands of Apaches and ultimately won. That’s what this movie is.

Korean/Chinese culture is interesting because it's completely lacking in pretense or deflection.

Most people just openly admit they only care about status and money, that displaying it and only caring about it as the sole qualifier of a person's worth is totally acceptable. This is just normal. It's normal to pay for cosmetic surgery, normal to cheat in p2w games with money, normal to flaunt wealth just for the sake of flaunting wealth alone. Everybody is asked to take that assertion at face value and they....just do.

In the more individualistic, moralistic (due to theistic religion) societies like the West, the rules are the same that wealth is all the matters - but you have to do an elaborate song and dance to disguise how its expressed. So wealth is expressed through culture, prestige, being on the cutting edge of art or technology, or other meaningful things besides JUST having lots of money. There has to be some level of substance to how you flaunt your money and status.

But in the East it's just straight up the equivalent of those black rappers who flash wads of cash, only slightly less pathetic. Except it's only pathetic to us, to them they legitimately accept it as legitimate and not the equivalent of a child showing off a new lunchox to their classmates. They really are that fucking basic. Its almost admirable in its total honesty.

>>149024639
China is a bit more complicated. I lived in China for a few years and I won’t pretend to know everything, but I feel like I get the general vibe. You’re absolutely right, they are essentially a very superficial people, obsessed with aesthetics. That said, their leadership class (the real upper class, not the new money) is ironically quite westernized and they have a deep contempt for their own people. China is ruled by a “caste”, These are the descendants of the high ranking and middle class CPC officials and Military officers who supported Mao during the Civil War. They number at least a hundred thousand. This is not a shadow government, Everyone knows they have the power and can’t do anything about it. The fascinating thing is that these people hate Chinese society more than any American. This is not because of wealth, because there are many richer Chinese than them, but because they believe that all aspects of Chinese society are "pathetic" and they want to improve them and many are intellectual Socialists, but not Maoists ironically.

>>149019040 (OP)
This is east origin shit

>>149025026
You know you could probably apply for that janny posting, they would have lost a bunch after the hack. I hear the wages are to die for.

>>149019320
>I'm pretty sure that between this, Chinese cultivation fiction (if I understand it properly, it may be another extremely popular and common Chinese power fantasy fiction), and Japanese isekai, you have the same basic societal desires for escape, freedom, and glory when the reality is that most of the readers of this stuff are powerless bugs and well aware of the fact.
With china they have to dance around state censorship so not sure we can say their creative output is genuine as it appears.
An interesting question here is if the Korean output is similarly narrow because of the power that corporations hold in their country. I'm not certain the censorship in south korea is actually that much better than china.
Could also be they're just extremely uncreative societies but I somehow doubt that.

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>>149020433
>The best Korean Webcomics are the hentai or the murim with good art
The best korean comics are actually the horror comics.

>>149019689
>the Korean and Chinese comic Industry's are all online based and have started relatively recently, they have no built in form quality control.
>>149020969
>Likely why whenever I glance and skim on webtoon, they all look so generic and there's just so much of it
Webtoons does have quality control and editors (for stuff on Originals). They are the ones making it look like generic dogshit because they demand massive episodes each week. Thats why you see so many blatantly low polygon 3d models.
They also have a tendency to force series to end early.

They do have good series, but quality can suffer because of the pressure.

The only two Korean webcomics I enjoy was Burning Effect (ruined and ended because the author couldn’t stop wanking his villainous OC)
And
Hand Jumper, which is pretty much shonen-tier trash with a main character who toes the line on sociopathic behaviour.

Both oddly enough are violent supernatural comics with female protagonists and not about wealth/status accumulation.

>>149019646
>petty revenge comics
female comic audience is large in Korea.

>>149025673
>The only two Korean webcomics I enjoy was Burning Effect (ruined and ended because the author couldn’t stop wanking his villainous OC)
>And
>Hand Jumper, which is pretty much shonen-tier trash with a main character who toes the line on sociopathic behaviour.
>Both oddly enough are violent supernatural comics with female protagonists and not about wealth/status accumulation.
Slight nitpick: the English version of hand jumper is actually the original. I think the author is Korean American.

Anyways Hand Jumper is great. I wouldn't call it strictly shonen, sayeon is too willing to kill people and way to willing manipulate her friends.

>>149019040 (OP)
Korea is a much more capitalistic dystopia. Samsung owns much of the country's soul and the elderly commit suicide to not be a financial burden on their families.

>>149025757
Also, I think she's already crossed the line in sociopathic behavior.

She can rewind time (and her friends do not know this), so she manipulates them to get info.

>>149024456
Eh, there are plenty of western culture heroes and historical figures mythologized in a way that makes them seem more successful than they were. Custer is also an example of a western person whose real life actually was exaggerated to heroism by deliberate effort, which faded when the people propping him up died off. People obviously didn't say he won since the mythologizing was about his supposed glorious sacrifice.

>>149025926
I enjoy how it’s unclear if she was always going to be a manipulative psycho due to her family history or by the awful life of a super-powered Abberant.

>>149026138
She does have her troubles in life that she has to face, but Her life experience was actually better than her teammates (aside from maybe the orange haired guy, but we don't know much about him yet).