Where were you when Transformers One was announced as done?

Gay

>>149020522 (OP)
What is this stupid tongue grabbing shit I keep seeing
Its not even feasible, it would just slip right the fuck out of your fingers because it's covered in saliva
Its not sexy, its just a stupid nothing art cliche
Might as well be pinching your fucking elbow skin

>>149020833
t. has never gotten a sloppy

Admit it. If it was Arcee you'd like it.

>>149020522 (OP)
Really disappointed that a sequel isn’t being made. Could’ve improved a whole lot from the first movie. It wasn’t bad, but One really hammered in the “Orion and D-16 and super best friends who are close and nothing bad will ever happen!” way too much for my liking. Also, a lot of the humor really didn’t land. So a sequel that’s about the inevitable war between Autobots and Decepticons sounds amazing.

>>149020944
I think Hasbro pushed for making tiktok style humor. Repeated jokes to land the funny while everyone else wanted to make something more like Netflix.

The Netflix series feels like one of the edgy M rated "what if G1 again" fanfics where it's the story you know, but with swears, blood and clear relationships. One has a similar feel at times. Between the PG swearing, graphic death and the abandoned storyboards it looks like it was written PG-13 and then toned down by Hasbro chasing trends that weren't funny in 2014.

damn, I was really hoping it’d be the beginning of a trilogy. criticize the writing all you want, but the overall art direction was fantastic and I would have loved to see more of these versions of the characters and setting. not to mention that I think it would have done the franchise well as a sort of return to form.
Oh well, maybe this means they’ll turn their attention back to the aligned continuity and try to salvage that instead [cope]

The smart thing would've been to use the CGI models to make a TV show. still would've been expensive.
Hasbro refusing to spend decent money on a cartoon is killing the brand. And when they finally did with Earthspark, it seemed diametrically opposed to marketing to the core audience of the franchise and didn't connect at all. Just lame robots and ugly humans.
Cyberworld seems to be another shitty cheap series hacked out for the internet. It's been 15 years since the cybermission cartoons on their website, and
Cyber missions, Cyberverse, Cyberworld, if it has "cyber" in the name you know Hasbro is being cheap as fuck.

>>149021146
>The smart thing would've been to use the CGI models to make a TV show. still would've been expensive.
I believe Prime cost them 700k-800k per episode. It was an insane number between the assets, the voice acting, and the fact that for some reason they only wanted it on The Hub so it was not only expensive, but also, for an audience that would barely watch it.

I don't understand why they thought this would work, and every series after just kept making the same one. Besides Rescue Bots, which was the best one.

>Hasbro refusing to spend decent money on a cartoon is killing the brand. And when they finally did with Earthspark, it seemed diametrically opposed to marketing to the core audience of the franchise and didn't connect at all. Just lame robots and ugly humans.
Not only ugly, but the pandering to the most nebulous demographic made it unwatchable to most people who may have been willing.

They've got anti-male/female designs for the Terrans, making them unappealing to literally everyone but 20 landwhales on tumblr. Lessons and stories aimed towards children but for some reason require the context of all of Marvel's G1 to truly get what's happening (Hate Plague from the cartoon on top of it which doesn't click with anyone under 40.) Too soft and dreary for kids, too childish for teens.

> Cyberworld seems to be another shitty cheap series hacked out for the internet. It's been 15 years since the cybermission cartoons on their website
The fact that every episode will be 3-5 minutes with a premise from 2011 isn't going to help it. I don't know who it's for. Not long time fans, not children. Kids are watching The amazing digital circus and gachalife animations.

It's all a mess. And out of touch. Kids love full length movies and tf shows, they just keep putting out bad ones with no marketing.

>>149020522 (OP)
so this is officially the worst state the franchise has ever been since it almost died in G2?

>>149021250
>pandering to the most nebulous demographic made it unwatchable to most people who may have been willing
this issue goes back as far as TFP in my opinion, where it felt like they wanted to capture the tv14 audience while still appealing to younger children, ultimately resulting in something that’s bloated and confused in terms of themes and tone.

>>149021506

No, we have the Skybound comic. And most of the toys are great.

>>149021519
For Earthspark, it was 3 in one, the 80's gen who grew up with the cast and want more. Maybe they think parents would want their kids to have the same experience. But then they included the IDW emotional drama fans who want fanfic instead of something genuinely new. But then they forgot people under 20 wont have any idea what the hell is going on while refusing to elaborate on who's who.

Watching Prime, while also being blind to the Transformers name in general, wasn't as confusing. Ignoring the novels which provided every bit of context as to what was going on, you get a clear explanation on who's who for every character. Not ES. ES assumes you care about Soundwave and Starscream without explaining why you should.

I think it's the context that's the series' greatest failing. There was none whatsoever which could have swung the target into a clear direction and improved performance. No one likes Robby and Mo. They suck as humans. They're annoying, they're ugly, and they send the most nonsensical message to the audience. And the audience lacks the context besides Robby being mad at having to move as to why anyone would care about them.

Why should we care about The Maltos, Megatron, Optimus' allegiances, the military, the cons or the villains? No context, no direction in tone. Mandroid at the very least did have a reason to go full Circuit Breaker on them but unlike Circuit Breaker, the plot kept giving the kids the win so it isn't like you had any reason to give a fuck if he lost or won

>>149021506
It's coasting on toys and Skybound but Skybound is beginning to drag. Void Rivals is awesome but the main TF comic keeps hyping things up without much happening.

Megatron's return with Optimus fleeing was a cool shot but then the issue after is just him using his stress ball starscream. It was kind of nothing. Strong start, but I wish the plot was moving like VR. Even when the focus isn't on the protag, just seeing background Quints making deals with Shockwave is more than plenty.

>>149020522 (OP)
Turns out that taking a series about giant robots that turn into cars and trucks to sell toys, and making it a super serious adult movie for adults with loads of gay undertones is not the perfect recipe for success huh?

>>149021758

You read 21 yet?

>>149021250
>They've got anti-male/female designs for the Terrans, making them unappealing to literally everyone but 20 landwhales on tumblr.
So it was just like every other cartoon made in the last 10 or so years?

>>149021762
worked for idw until lost light

>>149021782
I'm choosing to let issues build to read in bulk. Does not read like a series enjoyable for monthly updates, it was at first.

>>149021762
nice projection fag

>>149021250
The problem with Prime was they were pouring in all this money into a network that historically never had high ratings.

RiD2015 was a sweet spot. Not too expensive but not considerably cheaper than other kid's CGI shows at the time, a mix of classic and new designs, knew how to appeal to boys. It rightfully did well because of that.
All the Machinima stuff and Netflix and Cyberverse
Earthspark was finally putting more money into the franchise, and they didn't bother to make it appealing at all. Now they seem to be reeling from that and TF One's failure and going back to pinching pennies again.
It's just so frustrating that they had a golden ticket from 2007-2014 and just wasted it so badly.

>>149021835

Well, lets just say there are consequences.

>>149021250
You are largely describing modern media in 2025, not just a single franchise.

Most media now seems to be made to cater to weird adult tumblr freaks and their immediate circles, with a huge dose of browbeating anyone else into saying they like it too or else be accused of being an evil racist misogynist bigot.
Appealing design is just plain fucking gone. 100% gone. Nothing looks good, almost everything is drawn and designed so badly that it actually looks like it was intentionally made to be as ugly as it can possibly be. At this point I genuinely cannot tell if it is intentional or the artist is actually really really bad.
Every writer is hyper focusing on politics, identity issues, mental health, and teaching lessons than actually making something entertaining that people would actually want to watch. The Lindeloff types who only ever digest media to Raise Awareness or show how much of an activist ally they are have convinced themselves that the rest of humanity does that too and the only reason they watch/read/play something is to display how correct they are and not because they like something. They seem to think liking/disliking something is 100% political and based on one's internal politics and nothing else.

Meanwhile kids are drawn to Skibidt Toilet, Digital Circus, and Poppy Playtime which has none of that shit anywhere at all. It's just dumb mindless fun and no messages, no tumblr designs, no mental health lessons, and no surprise gay characters taking up focus.

>>149021835
IDW stuff is really not working for TMNT or GI:Joe.

>>149021936
GI Joe is at Image. And is...uh..seven issues in?

>>149021855
Your troon shit is failing over and over and over again. Every time disgusting fucks like you inject troon shit into a franchise it gets shit ratings and dies. Happens every single time. One can't help but take notice....except fucked fags like you who refuse to accept any aspect of reality at all ever...can never see that.

>>149021762
Transformers One was not a super serious movie for adults.
There was dumb humor with Bumblebee, but even excluding that it wasn't anything profound or super dark. It was a very basic story with some elements of societal injustice, no darker than Beast Wars (probably not even as dark).

>>149021965
huh?

>>149021863
I think RiD did a great job of being what it was. It wasn't too graphic, or edgy or tried to be a serious drama for serious adult children

It had many weak points, but between it and Rescue Bots/Academy, it knew what it wanted to be.

A silly robot show for children that adults could find humor in without it being overbearing.

I think it's the tone TF should stick with. Budget animation that's still nice to look at. I think CGI and 2D both work well as long as the characters look good. People had problems with Bumblebee's design and I get it, but I think the whole cast made great 2D to real life because of how bright and intentionally plastic everything looks. Top tier voice acting without breaking the bank on The Rock. And more than anything, you don't have to watch G1 to 'get' it.

>>149021637
>e, the 80's gen who grew up with the cast and want more. Maybe they think parents would want their kids to have the same experience.
Hasbro doesn't seem to realize the 80's were over 40 years ago. 80's kids had their own kids years ago. It's the 90's kids who are having families now, and even they are getting older. My brother is an 80's kid who grew up with G1 and his son(who grew up with the UT) just got married this week. I don't know who they think they're marketing to anymore. They took forever to start even marketing at Beast Wars kids.

If true that's too bad, I've heard One was pretty good
It was a little presumptuous to call it "Transformers One" though

>>149021917
>Digital Circus
A boy in the 80's and 90's would not be caught dead watching a show with a girl clown and doll protagonists. It's absolutely a symptom of modern media than little boys are watching a show like that made by a troon. I don't care if you think Pommy is cute or you like her porn.

>>149021936
how do you even make GI:Joe appealing for modern audiences when the basic premise of the franchise is the exact same of every generic action movie made in the last 5 decades?

>>149022018

>It was a little presumptuous to call it "Transformers One" though

It was originally a prequel to the Bay films.

>>149021917
To add, the designs aren't leashed by some landwhale, because they are always landwhales, internal image.

She Ra got cauterized by one of the artist hating her own tits, so you've got a girl show for girls that real girls can't connect to.

What I personally like about One and by the same mindset Prime, Animated and Beast Wars is that the designers wanted to make attractive characters. Arachnia was made after a stripper, Animated was drawn by robot fuckers, and picrelated. It wasn't for an agenda, they just thought it was cool.

>>149021917
>>149021863
>>149021637

my favorite thing about Earthspark is how the controversy surround the non-binary bot only happened MONTHS after the episode aired because no one was giving a damn about the series.

>>149022050
Why do you think kids tastes change because it's a different year?
Cool guys shooting lasers at bad guys in giant super tanks is cool. Keep doing that.

>>149022050
The same way you make Metal Gear or Call of duty or Fortnite appealing? It's not rocket science. You make cool modern military operators or lean into the wild character designs. The problem with GI Joe is that it keeps going back to the well of the 80's designs, which itself was a reboot of the 60's stuff to make it cool for 80's kids. Snake Eyes can still be cool, but Duke can't.
With comics it's hard because the only audience is those 80's kids. But if they actually tried to imitate MGS or CoD they could get some spark back in the franchise. And invest in a good game as well.

>>149020522 (OP)
>Paramount will not make Transformers Two
Good

>>149022045
You say that but a major section of PPG's audience was made up of boys according to Cartoon Network and Craig McCracken
>>149022056
I feels like a missed opportunity to me that they didn’t call it Transformers: War Dawn

>>149022142
and in the 80's most boys watched both He-man and She-ra(but would never admit it)

>>149022091
Do you have a scan of the Prime art book?

>>149022112
>Snake Eyes can still be cool, but Duke can't.
Duke as a character cannot be seen as cool anymore because of how people see action heroes.

He has to adapt into a new image to be remotely appealing. But that goes against his character in general.

MGS as a franchise works because all the protagonists are weirdos with quirky behaviors and act like aliens. Solid Snake's ass fetish and lethal amounts of chainsmoking, Big Boss being Big Boss, Raiden. They all have aspects that make people like them that I chalk up to being written by an equally weird Japanese man so they aren't really 100% American. (Raiden most of all, being technically African)

>>149020522 (OP)
That doesn't stop someone else from funding it. Heck Hemsworth might even push for it since he's winding down as Thor

>>149022175
It's on the Archive. As are the novels.

>>149022112
>but Duke can't.
Am I missing something here because he just looks like a buff stern guy with different shades of green for his clothing.

I hate to break it to you but Doomguy wouldn't lose all his fans if he bleached his hair.

>>149022155
>and in the 80's most boys watched both He-man and She-ra(
That is provably untrue, She-Ra had a fraction of He-Man's ratings.

>>149022155
Exactly
>>149022188
That’s what some people are theorizing as Paramount’s license for the Transformers apparently expires in 2027, which is why they aren’t greenlighting a sequel

>>149022188
I don't think one celebrity endorsement will get a sequel made. Between the cost of animating and having the same team as One, all more than glad to have done so- you wouldn't want it forced

It would take the combined efforts of Hemsworth, Buschemi and maybe Kiegan (Peele did make his own film before so he's got that in) to get anything going. Because Paramount is not listening to fans, Hasbro isn't listening to anyone except investors. But I think the people who could fund it would require a serious, serious push before they consider it.

>>149022142
And what happened when they tried to make a PPG movie,
It fucking bombed because no boy wanted their father or friends to think of them as a gaywad faggot for watching the girl show movie.
>>149022155
Exactly, they’d never admit it. And it was more because she-ra was drawn sexy. Pommy the clown is not erotic outside of fanart.

>>149022243
Well, yeah, that’s the difference between a tv show and a movie. People will happily watch a tv show not meant for them in the privacy of their own home but most of them aren’t going to go out and watch a movie about it publicly

>>149022239
All Paramount said is they personally wouldnt fund it. That doesn't stop outside investors from making a sequel. Also doesn't Hemsworth have a directors credit or something? I'm not saying its happening, but it's also not unlikely either.

>>149022243
An online series following One would be the best thing, as long as it isn't locked to Paramount plus.

I don't know how well Netflix' did, but I think they're much more likely to get views and subscriptions if they multi-platform between Hulu and Max. Maybe Amazon since One is currently there.

Maybe just Paramount and Max which have a great selection already for kid's shows. Adults watch guilt free, teenagers see it guilt free, and it doesn't have to fufull an epic win meme criteria that they were clearly vying for with B127. Who I think was a much better character when he wasn't trying to be funny. Talking to Elita, before badassatron, I liked. His rapid talking, I also liked. It was just his Animated version all in all.

>>149022178
Duke was never the cool one. He was the Cyclops/Leonardo of the team. The by the book, rules abiding, straightlaced leader guy. It's the other guys like Beachhead, Sgt Slaughter, Snake Eyes, and Wild Bill that were cool.

>>149022200
Doom guy would absolutely lose a lot of his appeal if he didn’t have the armor and was just a boring clean cut guy without a helmet or any character quirks.
>>149022178
Thing is, GI Joe has been doing quirky unique military characters since the 80s Duke just isn’t one of them because he’s just model soldier guy.
An inoffensive ideal of what a soldier hero would be in the 1980s but the military doesn’t look like him anymore. They look like the operators in Call of Duty games.

>>149022334
But who would take it?

There are studios made for a single project, which can happen. If it was not funded by Paramount and managed to dodge liscencing limbo, what company could pick it up without getting a case of MCU vs Dimension Marvel?

>>149022397
I could see Universal picking it up since they haven’t had a really successful shared universe for a while and they already license Transformers for their theme parks anyways. They also tend to split up their streaming rights with others a lot more, so a tv show could still be on Netflix or Prime Video if Peacock doesn’t have enough reach

>>149022461
It's surprising that OP/B/Megs are still attractions. And their original and revenge designs.

Has there been any reason they never did Age of Extinction onwards or is it too Chinese. Given that Windblade is at their Hong Kong park.

Because the last thing One, as a series, would need is a repeat of AOE/TLK.

>>149021762
it was a paper-thin film with a basic story and low effort designs.

>>149022581
I think they never changed it because then that would require them to change the internal ride as well since that’s also based on 2007/RotF and the Transformers ride isn’t necessarily popular enough to justify that change

>>149022581
Kirkman wont introduce windblade til we get more starscream and jetfire flashbacks, if anything she is at this very moment in skybound caminus and if anything at war with the quintessons or hidden from their sight

>>149022605
Surprised they aren't on Disney given how long they've been a staple of Universal. And speaking of the ride, I wish China and America had equal shares of licensed entertainment.

Swerve's Lounge in Beijing looks phenomenal. Even if I wasn't a fan, the design reminds me a lot of the restaurant at Space Mountain. It's nice, over priced, but it's like US America is ashamed to have anything themed anymore.

>>149022865
I talked a little about this in a TADC thread a while back, but it feels like America is afraid to do stuff like that out of fear of people rejecting it due to how “silly” it is despite all evidence to the contrary. Other countries will advertise to literally anyone while America only ever wants to advertise to the most generic people ever

>>149022865
>>149022998
It’s a real estate issue. When the place closes or renovates, they have a greater chance of selling the business if they don’t have to change the building.

>>149022657
I thought Skybound would stick only to G1 characters

>>149022998
It's the most bizarre American wide problem because they'll sell 'silly' merchandise like popcorn holders made out of heads funko pops and other movie junk, but a store for it is out of the question.

Especially long term physical stores that used to have these turned blocky and uniform, like Hot Topic.

The people who think it's silly aren't even paying in the first place. Because they never would. I haven't seen a theme park in years, but of all places it is the exception. In my city- there are a ton of independently run themed venues that do well for the simple fact that they aren't corporate box restaurants. The downside is that they're adult only, so business is limited and they can't present themselves as a singular brand. Like the Nintendo themed cafe we have. Nintendo official would gut them instantly if they knew what they were using Donkey Kong as

>>149023182
I understand that much. What I don't is that it's a theme park. It's supposed to be hard to move because it's going to be there for at least a decade or longer. Six Flags has had the same food stop at my local park since 2006

>>149023222
is too early to introduce everything else and G1 is the main focus rn, so is easy to stick with them.

>>149023929
that is probably the average cybertronian look after everyone became technorganic at the ending of Beast Machines

>>149020522 (OP)
>We'll never see the kino of Autobots/Decepticons overthrowing the Quintessons once and for all on the big screen
Unimaginable levels of pain

>>149024050
>that time silverbolt fucked the evil straight out of arachnia
>that one render of dinobot with a massive ribbed cock by one of the animators
You know. As much as I think the series is better off without sex, I think it's funny that they have their own version if it that never gets explained.

Yet is always acknowledged in every series.

>>149021099
it had the perfect set up for a trilogy
One: what we got
Two: Overthrowing the Quints
Three: The great war

>>149024096
In the Aligned novel series, they overthrow them at the end of the Golden Era as well as have a trial and escape just like Rodimus and the movie. Except instead of it being only one faction, it's them as a whole.

The trial is something I wish more than anything could have been seen back during Prime's era even if it was ugly CGI. Because not only was it an aquatic world but the descriptions of the buildings sound so cool. There's very little water themed bots or plots surrounded by it.

>>149020885
nta but you're right i would like it more if it was a woman because unlike all of you i didn't go through the misfortune of having my shitter rearranged when i was a kid

>>149021099
No, the art direction was shit too. Most characters had very boring silhouettes and the faces were horrendous.

>>149021965
>moenigger calling anyone a tranny
lol?

>>149024255
jokes on you I'm a mechaphile

>>149024261
the characters were just higher res versions of their G1 selves and the environments were stunning anon.

>>149024418
>people don't like Animated because the designs are not robotic enough
>people don't like Prime's designs because they "aren't them"
>make them just as G1 as Bumblebee did
>more complaining
It doesn't matter what they do. Even if it was x-men levels of continuation with film grain someone online who has no intention of supporting it will always complain.

so is this comic just a star trek ripoff or is there ever an actual serialized plot

people praised this series so much i was expecting more than star trek but with transformers. issue 3 with the gay xenomorph ripoff almost made me drop it

>>149020522 (OP)
>Paramount will not make Transformers Two.
OK, but will they make Transformers One 2?

>>149024599
It's worse Star Trek read by thirty somethings who either never saw Captain Kirk or who's media bubble only expanded to Dr. Who and Sherlock. Which given the tone and James Roberts, is quite accurate.

It has the feel of a series like Supernatural and most modernly, Good Omens. Both of which are extremely popular with straight women on tumblr. James Roberts had some great ideas, but the execution was deliberately written for the tumblr crowd and you can find plenty of tweets where he says things like Getaway is the second hottest autobot on the Lost Light or how Tarn is a virgin.

>>149024717

Red Dwarf, actually. Its Red Dwarf.

>>149020522 (OP)
you will watch I eat poop and like it

>>149024717
i had no clue about any of that shit yet i could still tell this writer had those kinds of leanings. the writing seemed way too focused on having quirky characters

>>149024767
What if poop is actually a blockbuster with sales that top whatever animated movie comes out? What then? Will we get poop movie two or will TF2 have a chance?

>>149024787
Do you like gay people?

Do you like shipping?

Do you say uwu out loud?

If yes, it's the comic for you. If no. Fuck you because it's what you got. I think the entire comic would be improved if Tailgate didn't exist. Everything stays the same, just without Tailgate.

And Chromedome/Rewind both die

>>149024381
is that cliffjumper or ironhide?

>>149025087
Ironhide. His red boots are higher and his window's flat

>>149024846
I heard that most gay pairings in IDW were always a big bot and a small one, almost like a pedo allegory

>>149025115
So was this the character the cartoon people took the most liberties with in the design? Because he is just nothing at all like the toy in every way.

>>149025248
Him and Ratchet, yes.

>>149025171
Hot Motor Oil makes it absurdly clear.

JRO's got a small top fetish, clearly. Because the 'smaller' one is always taking the lead in some form or the most aggressive in the relationship.

>>149020522 (OP)
I'm not shocked

>>149025317
>>149025171
>>149024846
i should have known something was up in those 2 chaos theory chapters where optimus and megatron start reminiscing about all the times they fought/fucked like lovers

rodimus even called them out on how they were getting "cozy"

no wonder reddit was recommending this garbage

>>149025605
>the panel of OP leaning on the door in the shadow
>doesn't show OP leaving the room after they finish talking
>implies he had to strap Meg back in
>everyone heard them
>the embarrassment of OP's face when he found out people heard them

>>149025691
fucking kek. it was ridiculous. they were acting like scorned lovers

>>149025805
I laughed for a solid week.

>>149025852
lmao those two panels in particular .

the story started out pretty well butt it's like the writer couldn't contain his tumblr urges and suddenly it's a gay drama. OP sitting like a broken housewife after an argument with her husband

shameful

>>149025691
Why did IDW Transformers get so gay at the end?

>>149026156
Pandering to Tumblr. What happened to Voltron should have tipped them off to not do that, but noooooooo

>>149026156
>at the end
It wasn't as condensed together at first so you wouldn't notice it.

IDW was extremely reactive in germs of release, fan feedback, and what went on during conventions. The artists drew porn for fans, the series got confirmed fan pairings, and the more positive reception, the more bold they made it. Maybe if straight men paid more money and were louder, then the content would reflect that. Like Spike being covered in stripper nurses in All Hail Megatron. I think the last issue.

I wish the comics had leaned into /ss/ instead of yaoi

>>149026289
no boomer dad would buy his son a pink robot, sorry anon.

>>149026289
It baffles me they let the fanfic writers do what they did. I'm not even blaming the fanfic writers for crappy stories, it was the best they could do. It's not like they were magically gonna be better writers if they didn't get to shove their weird ass gay stuff in it, their dialogue and inability to do basic drama was just a limitation of their talent and really nothing more. They couldn't write better stories or make better characters, they weren't capable of it and only got the job because of who they knew on the now confirmed whisper networks. Even that's not the worst, "Hiring by your friends or schoolmates" isn't something even major companies avoid, no way could I hold it against them for that.

But why the fuck did the actual people in charge not see the reactions to the megan fox character in Transformers 1 and not think maybe, MAYBE, that obviously boys were into this and they'd be more into sexy girl characters more than gay shit?

>>149026242
>Maybe if straight men paid more money and were louder, then the content would reflect that.

See this is what blows my mind, they did. Straight men absolutely threw money at the screen hand over fist for the live action movies that had this stuff. Windblade's non-transforming figure may have gotten people crying about it but it sure as shit sold fine. But the thing is they obviously wanted sexy CHARACTERS, they didn't want just sexy stock images. Time and time and time again characters like Blackarachnia with agency is a big seller who does gangbusters on her Masterpiece figure, despite it objectively being fucking awful for its spider form, and instead they okay gay plotlines. Again, I don't blame the writers, that's the best they were able to pull off and they're just not talented enough to do any better, they couldn't no matter how hard they tried, but if it's going to be this level then why oh god why were you doing something that obviously isn't as successful as the other stuff?

I don't get it!

>>149020944
>Also, a lot of the humor really didn’t land.

The humor was fucking awful. The director even tried to save face after everyone made fun of the humor in the trailer. "guys guys guys i promise its not like that in the full movie!!" and the full movie still had cringy whedoneque 10 quips a minute shit.

>WHOAH, DID THAT JUST HAPPEN!???
>I JUST DID THAT!!!
>AWKWAAAAARD!!

They honestly dont deserve a second chance. If they do another one it needs to be a total reboot with a competent director and studio.

>>149020522 (OP)
eating breakfast

>>149026735
>Straight men absolutely threw money at the screen hand over fist for the live action movies that had this stuff.
That was normies going to the movies anon. And toys. We're talking about the comics.
They tried making a classic G1 comic to lure the old men in beer and classic rock and sunbow references, and while it did OK it just petered out. But MTMTE did consistently well. It was the first time IDW could keep an audience because IDW kept losing them early on.

We tried getting "actual" writers who weren't from the fandom and they fucking sucked and made some of he most forgettable TF comics. Most of he teenage boys who went to the Bay movies and jerked it to Megan Fox were never going to get into a nerdy interest like Transformers. They would get into the military shit and cars. The movies would've never done well targeting an audience of TF fans or people who would be TF fans because it's just inherently too nerdy.

>>149026735
>But why the fuck did the actual people in charge not see the reactions to the megan fox character in Transformers 1 and not think maybe, MAYBE, that obviously boys were into this and they'd be more into sexy girl characters more than gay shit?
Carly was the worst part about DOTM and the romance actively was dragging down the plot.

The same applies to the gay pairings too.

Romance is not an easy thing to write and the writers keep putting it in like anyone cares. For all the faults the movies had, pushing the romantic subplots out was an improvement. Cyberverse not having any was its best quality. Sure you can see B and Windblade that way, but it wasn't on anyone's efforts to make them a thing.

>>149026913
MTME is barely transformers. it's just someone's gay fanfic

>>149026916
>Carly was the worst part about DOTM and the romance actively was dragging down the plot.
Right which is why I came at it from the angle of the story is going to be bad regardless, because again, fanfic writers. They're not going to do any better, they don't have the talent nor ability to do better no matter how hard they try. The romance thing isn't going to be great and it sure as shit wasn't great in Micheal Bay's fever dream that was the second movie either. I get that, you have to accept that with nepotism hires.

But obviously, proveably, time and time again stuff like that does better, especially in boy aimed franchises. If you're going to add it in at all why the actual fuck do the people who can veto it not say "Hey, less gay, more of the thing people like." Obviously the fanfic writers want to write the gay stuff, they like that stuff, they are that niche they're probably aiming towards, but that niche in that kind of media is microscopic compared to the public at large and yet somehow that's what gets the okay.

I don't get it!

>>149026938
But it sold, and that's what a publisher cares about.

>>149026913
>it's just inherently too nerdy.
I was watching WFC's first season and this occurred to me. For all the swearing, blood, violence and seriousness- how many people over 15 watch it and take it seriously.

There's no humans, it's all animated.

People who watched the Bay movies probably wouldn't want it, and comic fans might feel a disconnect because it's so colorless and miserable every single minute of the show.

>>149026913
>We're talking about the comics.
Even in comics time and time and time again, straight pairings outsell gay stuff by orders of magnitude. Gay robin and gay superboy sure as shit didn't even manage to make it to that absolute dogshit of Jason and Starfire's sex adventure.

>But MTMTE did consistently well
But it didn't, or at least it didn't compared to that classic G1 stuff's heyday. Their inability to keep them on after the story divulged into stupidity notwithstanding, they had a bigger audience hooked and obviously would've kept coming back if there was something to keep them on, instead of MTMTE's barely floating levels that only hung around because to IDW, it was amazing compared to their other outings.

And yet even then MTMTE still saw loss after loss every issue! It's not like it didn't drop off, it absolutely did. And they just kept doing the thing that lost them the original audience!

I don't get it!

>>149026968
>public at large
You can argue, that there's good money in a vague crowd. But then you lose your niche.

Straight women will absolutely buy figures in the triple digits. How do you convince straight men to buy sexy robot girls and not feel embarassed? Anime titty figures are a huge niche pandering to a small number of otaku who will buy them. But this is a massive name in the industry. If you want comic girls to have more of a presence, the entire brand has to bounce off of that so the buyers wont feel like virgin dorks when they go out and purchase a copy or a figure of the series.

Women will praise it online, and will consistently buy physical merch. It looks good when your product is shilled everywhere by insane followers. You're not going to get that from American men. Not unless it's a freak circumstance like crypto and whatever reddit's fixating

>>149027016
>But it didn't, or at least it didn't compared to that classic G1 stuff's heyday
you mean like the Marvel stuff that was sold on newstands?
Yeah no shit it won't sell as much. Comics are far more niche now. They tried doing more classic G1 for years and it flopped MTMTE floating was still better than anything else.
That "original audience" did not stick around even when they were being catered to.

>>149026981
>But it sold,
It was below 10K by 2014 and launched in 2012, the fuck you mean "It sold". https://icv2.com/articles/comics/view/28603/top-300-comics-actual-april-2014 this is the very first link google shows if you're wondering why I picked this one.

My Little Pony was doing better at that point

>>149027067
Actually it looks like most of them are below 10K https://icv2.com/articles/comics/view/27835/top-300-comics-actual-january-2014

I can't actually find one outside of the first 10 issues that are in the top 100. One hundred. In fact in this very link it seems Transformers Regneration was doing better at issue 98 than it would be in their 40's.

How did the narrative get to "It was doing good" when, again, in 2014 even My Little Pony(The other Hasbro thing) was doing over 20K easy?

You guys complain about LGBT stuff way too much.

>>149020522 (OP)
>Paramount will not make Transformers Two
The director is too busy making the "I Eat Poop" movie

>>149027066
>Comics are far more niche now
When exactly was this point in time where sub 15K issues since issue 2 onwards is a still considered good cause I feel like that was never good.

>>149027101
>>149027067
Because it sold better and more consistently than their pure G1 offerings.
MLP had a massive following at the time that was hungry for merchandise so of course it did well

>>149027158
Based

>>149026156
because every western media was getting lame and gay by that time so IDW felt like they should go with the flow

>>149027124
Shut up Boco

>>149026981
>But it sold, and that's what a publisher cares about.
Not really?

MTMTE sales started out about the same as Phase 1 stuff largely thanks to readers who were invested in the continuity, but sales quickly started declining the gayer and further away from transformers it got. The Lost Light relaunch was an attempt to revitalize sales, but it failed.

MTMTE launched in 2012, and by early 2014 the sales were at 9k and it only kept declining from there.

https://icv2.com/articles/comics/view/28603/top-300-comics-actual-april-2014

MTMTE and RiD were both heaped with praise by industry critics and its loud tumblr fanbase which made them seem more successful than they really were.

Phase 1 comics on average sold better than MTME and RiD, with the best Phase 1 stuff reaching upwards of 15k+ units.

MTMTE running as long as it did was *much* more likely due to James Roberts being willing to work for peanuts because sales wise it was absolutely not higher than the Simon Furman (and others) era.

>>149027315
Can you explain why people hate Furman so much?

I liked his Marvel G1 writing

>>149027164
>Because it sold better and more consistently than their pure G1 offerings.
I'm not sure what you mean by pure G1 offerings

but MTMTE consistently sold worse than any of the Phase 1 material that came before it aka before the gay fanfic era

Stop spreading this myth that MTMTE was a huge success. we know for a FACT it sold CONSISTENTLY worse than the Phase 1 era

>>149027337
Because of how he wrote IDW Arcee. Thats about it.

>>149021762
Was that before or after they played Bumblebee's schizophrenia for laughs?

>>149024735
This is a bad sell and sets expectations all wrong.

>>149027383

Just saying, Roberts was a Brit and admitted to being a Red Dwarf fan.

>>149021965
Take meds

>>149027348
Missed opportunity to make him more like his Bay version. Funny, has jokes, but is actually the most con like than anyone on their team.

I like all versions of him, but just an asshole is his best trait.

>>149027066
I don't see how comics in general becoming less and less popular somehow makes Transformers comics becoming more niche a more acceptable loss though. It's still just not reaching audiences regardless.

https://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/37771

Lost Light #5 sold 6.5k.... 6.5k!
MTME was selling under 10k for most of its life

The loud tumblr fans of MTMTE have truly spread the lie that MTMTE was this consistent seller when it wasn't.

https://icv2.com/articles/comics/view/12096/top-300-comics-actual-january-2008

>Devastation #4 13k

https://icv2.com/articles/comics/view/13751/top-300-comics-actual-october-2008

>All Hail Megatron 12k

https://icv2.com/articles/comics/view/9329/top-300-comics-actual-august-2006

>Stormbringer #2 20k

https://icv2.com/articles/comics/view/8714/top-300-comics-actual-april-2006

>Infiltration #4 28k

https://icv2.com/articles/comics/view/10097/top-300-comics-actual-january-2007

>Escalation #3 15k

We have proof that Phase 1 comics were selling consistently better than the MTMTE gay fanfic era

>>149027595
And its entirely because of the gay stuff. Is that what you wanna hear?

>>149027629
I mean, what else could it be? I'm not one of these anti-sjw/anti-woke crusaders. I'm pointing out the obvious bullshit that's been spread about the IDW 2005 continuity.

Phase 1 was your classic Transformers intrigue, politics, history/mythology and action

Phase 2 and MTMTE in particular dialed all of those things back and turned the continuity into this Star Trek with super quirky characterization and nonstop gay undertones.

For reference, EU Transformers was the top 20th best selling comic last month. That was issue #20.

MTMTE was consistently in the 170+ range and Lost Light barely even made it to the top 300

>>149027742
>undertones.
No it was in your face. Chromedome and Rewind only exist as a gay love story. Tailgate and Cyclonus only exist as openly gay lovers and Getaway kisses Tailgate openly.

It's not subtle it's plain.

Nta, but you're correct that the fans make it seem like it was the best thing to happen to IDW and Hasbro when I don't even recall it being sold at my local bookstore. The manga and comics area was big, with niche titles for both ends. Not once did I ever see TF sold there.

>>149027903
Comics are never sold in bookstores anymore.

And for the record, the first on panel kiss in IDW was Arcee and...I forget her name.

>>149027925

Aileron. First on screen bot to bot, on the lips kiss in TF history, actualluy

>>149027957

>>149027957
anon I...

>>149028065
>This issue isn't the first time a kiss between Cybertronians has been depicted in Transformers media, but historically, Transformers kissing one another isn't something we tend to see. Outside of instances where it was done for comedy (a Junkion planting a smacker on Grimlock's snout in The Transformers: The Movie, Rattrap giving Rhinox a "my hero" smooch in Beast Wars episode "The Agenda (Part III)"), about the only actual fully-seen on-screen romantic kiss was a peck on the cheek from Ariel to Orion Pax in the Generation 1 cartoon episode "War Dawn." The Beast Wars and Beast Machines cartoons would implicitly depict kissing between couples Silverbolt and Blackarachnia, and Rattrap and Botanica, but the act would typically be kept off-screen; Silverbolt and Blackarachnia's lips juuust about touch in "The Agenda (Part 2)" before a rapid camera pan-out completely pulls away from the action. Following an almost-but-not-quite kiss between Blast Off and Onslaught in a dream sequence in Till All Are One #10, Arcee and Aileron's lip-lock in this issue becomes the first IDW kiss, and the first genuinely romantic, on-the-mouth, unobfuscated, fully-on-screen/panel kiss between Transformers in recorded history, and by extension, the first same-gender kiss, too!

Honestly, I'm not surprised. I thought it was a prequel to the Bayformers films. As nice as it would be to see Elita-1 or any hot female transformer get a full treatment so I can unsee Bumblebee being gagged, asking for a sequel was just too entitled.

>>149026289
I want to see Thundercracker go on a date with Marissa

>>149028394
He kind of did.

In the final arc with Unicron, they're traveling together and he's her ride and they're just taking it easy world-wide.

I'm still unclear if we're supposed to see them as platonic or not. They were functionally a pair.

Fuck this stupid planet.

>>149028613
Elita-One: Mimi
Bunblebee: Matt
I eat poop: Digimon Tamers

I wish Sentinel had more opportunities to do evil stuff on screen in One.

>>149028839
A director's cut would be great.

Show all the removed scenes like the High Guard's town instead of just the ship itself. Though there's not much to show that doesn't ruin the surprise unless we see him being evil after it. It may ruin the pacing entirely showing the process of removing their cogs. They have this stop motion series online that isn't very good. The VAs aren't even sound-a-likes, they're just random voices. But 5-6 minute low budget animations for scenes like that would have been so much better than what we got

>>149027742
IDW writers thought that being a Headmaster meant being a master at giving head

>>149028954
who's more afraid of straight couples

the fans or the writers

>>149027124
because you fags keep ruining every hobby in your grasp

I wish Shockwave’s character was as cool as his design

dadimus hugs
the autobots kinda suck at rescuing micron panels desu

>>149020522 (OP)
How many Transformers toys have you all bought?

>>149027158
Kino

What was the worst TF-related opinion you have ever seen?

>>149029042
just finished BM recently. Didn't expect that Botanica and Rattrap would be such a wholesome couple

>>149021146
I really want Hasbro to put their whole ass into a cartoon toy line again

>>149032336
rid01 is bad

>>149020522 (OP)
I think War for/Fall of Cybertron don't' have too many continuity issues if you consider them the next chapter of TF1.

>>149033215
RID is a bad show that's held up by a handful of good moments and a small selection of characters that were too good for it.

>>149031434
>>149033080
I know people hate toys that cannot transform, but I would collect them if they were series accurate. Even if I had to buy two for vehichle and root mode.

Flame Toys Tarn is what I'd like more of the figures to look like. Or the Robosen OP with his metal and shine. I dislike the plastic look and want accuracy over function. The cheap plastic look is the primary reason I haven't personally purchased any, but if they released more model kits with Flame Toys' level of detailing, I might be tempted to invest in a full set.

>>149033957
I disagree. The only bad aspect is the faultless, emotionless version of Prime. The cast is fun, Skybyte is an ace and it's got my favorite Fort Max. Even though I like Headmaster Cerebros more.

Cut out the Japanese human drama (besides car-chan, she's cute) and the show improves by a ton. Worst TF show I'd say is probably Victory because it's not a TF show. It's a mid sentai at best

>>149034007
I'd like a return to how the toy side was handled in UT
Everyone in the show gets a toy, the show gets to make use of all the size classes, maybe even throw in some toy only characters

>>149034604
This is also why I don't collect.

I dislike how not everyone is included or the characters I like got nothing.

I'm probably one of 3 Nitro Zeus fans and I do not have the know how to replicate his movie colors like someone's paint custom I found. Because I really liked his design but his official toy is ass. Not because it looks bad- but because it simply is not Zeus. Wrong color, wrong optic shape, no demon horns and the legs are thin for some reason when he's supposed to be like Shockwave. Massive

>>149026913
>military shit and cars.
Ah yes, the two things Transformers famously doesn't have. It's just too nerdy for that.

>>149034604
same. we need to let the toy designers and show creators work hand in hand with each other again. Takara co-development as well.

>>149025756
Even her autobot mark seems shocked, kek.

>>149035801
Dudebros don't care about them when they turn into robots, or at least, they don't care about them as characters. Just spectacle.
When it's action figures or cartoon drawings, that's nerdshit.

>>149036911
Dudebros were just part of the audience. Nerdshit is as mainstream as it gets these days. I just don't think that TF is supposed to be this niche franchise and that it doesn't count when it actually gathers normie attention.

>>149032336
Transformers aren't robots

>>149037170
>Dudebros were just part of the audience. Nerdshit is as mainstream as it gets these days.
We're talking about 2007-2012 anon. Those movies would not be as big as they are if not for normies. We saw what happened when normies stopped caring.
Don't mistake the MCU being popular for nerdshit being truly mainstream. People will like this stuff when it's put into big budget movies, it doens't mean they'll be into toys or comcis.

>>149037566
>People will like this stuff when it's put into big budget movies, it doens't mean they'll be into toys or comcis.
If that were true then ditching plans for any future TF movies was the right move. They either flop like One or don't do anything for the franchise

>>149037899
It is true. The movies bought a lot of money in, but long term I think it's a partial negative. The movies and general boom of he late 2000's/early 2010s bought a lot of new fans, and allowed a lot of new opportunity , but percentage wise they failed to to really market the franchise itself longterm.
The franchise is now left trying to chase the highs of movies that only got as popular as they did for being spectacle movies, not because most movie goers cared about the mythos or the characters.
The robot cast of the Transformers movies aren't even as well known as the Avengers, for the most part. Optimus, Megatron, and Bumblebee, yes, maybe Starscream, but the rest are just filler to general audiences.
The movie route is basically a wash right now, Michael Bay destroyed the IP's perception.
It's like when a place expands or franchises and cannot maintain quality. That sort of thing bankrupts businesses.

>>149020522 (OP)
Let’s not pretend that there was any chance this movie was getting a sequel after those box office results came in. Like it or not, this was a flop.

>Finally, get a Transformers movie about the Transformers.
>Make the toys not matter to the financials of the heckin' toy movie.
>Gets sabotaged by that guy wanting the GI Joe Transformers movie.
>GI Joe Transformers movie not happening either.
At least there's some justice.

>>149040117
makes you wonder how the fuck is TF still in the top 20 highest grossing media franchises

>>149039145
*yes*

>>149040153
nostalgia and bay

>>149040117
>Gets sabotaged by that guy wanting the GI Joe Transformers movie.
Please share anon, I want to know if this is related to rise of the beasts

>>149040117
>Gets sabotaged by that guy wanting the GI Joe Transformers movie.
>GI Joe Transformers movie not happening either.
When did this happen?

>>149029042
Recent writers, people liked original Elita-1 and Prime, Blackarachnia and Silverbolt(Pre Beast Machines, anyway...) and Prime and Elita/Arachnia in Animated. And obviously there was a major hetero romance in all three of the most successful Live Action movies.

Literally it's just writers of IDW and sub 10K worth of readers if not less that like that stuff, and that's because they're mostly fanfic writers who got nepotism hired and this Fanfiction.net shit is all they know.

>>149032336
I honestly cant think of one. Some of the most outrageous shit I hear in my life is subconsciously filtered out of my memories. Probably for the best.

>>149020522 (OP)
I can't find the ability to care much. Crisp animation was all it stood out for. Character writing was mid. Optimus is generic nice guy with Hemsworth's lazy voice stapled on. Bumblebee is an annoying moron. Elita is a unlikable girl buss cunt-waffle. Megatron is pushed into the most contrived downfall possible just because the plot needs it. I'm sure the 8 million other transformers projects will do fine.

>>149032336
a common /co/mblr sentiment is that its okay to introduce fag shit into TF because most of the cast is dudebots

>>149028613
they're extending this to a full feature length film?

>>149040225
>>149040254
I think they mean Lorenzo Di Bonaventura, one of the producers for all the movies and the GI Joe movies too.
He's infamous for not wanting to give up on the Bay continuity;Transformers One was originally going to be a bayverse origin(and in his head still is), he's the reason Bumblebee didn't commit to being a true reboot( it was planned as a prequel, Knight was given a bit of leeway when TLK underperformed and he got to do the Cybertron sequence, and then when it was released they walked it backto just being a prequel even if it doens't really fit). Even ROTB as he promoted it was meant to like the Bee movie to the 2007 movie, despite also making no fucking sense.
He's been pushing for a GI Joe crossover for years now.

>>149041678
K-Ken Penders?

>>149041703
they look nothing alike besides being boomer white guys anon.

>>149041715
It's a joke anon.

Because they both collectively ruin their IPs for their fanfic

>>149041190
Well it wasn't like there were female Transformers to begin with. So the whole aspect of romance was tacked on to begin with as it is.

>>149022091
Knockout was damn sexy and he knew it. Would've loved a 3rd party statue.

>>149024098
>that one render of dinobot with a massive ribbed cock by one of the animators
Just imagine what else the mainframe folks did that was never seen.

>>149020522 (OP)
>We'll never see Bee try to convince Meg to return only for Meg to rip his fucking throat out like a pitbull

I'm in my prime, Optimus (Optimus)
I'm goin' big, Megatron
I'ma sting, Bumblebee
Now crown the king, hope you proud of me

>>149027164
Bruddah, MTMTE had the same problems IDW Sonic has
Online popularity != Actual fucking sales
This isn't even a problem because MTMTE's progressiveness, fucking Saga has all the stuff MTMTE does exponentially and sold gangbusters in comparison

>>149027629
>>149027742
I don't think the sales disproportion is necessarily an LGBT thing (again, Saga) but rather it got people from outside the usual comic fandom space only for them to NOT buy the damn thing because Eric Stephenson was right about licenseshit and the people who exclusively read it.

>>149042407
Sonic at least has games coming out every year. You had TF One in 2024, and now what? Earthspark shambling along?

There's toy sales too, but Sonic is far more active with movies, games and merch. Transformers just isn't pulling the same fandom even though it should. I played that Netflix fighting game and it's okay. Nothing special. Meanwhile Sonic is coming out with a new All Stars, with Miku and probobaly Kotone in Japan since she got a spot in Frontiers. And all the movies preformed extremely well for what they were.

Generic in many ways, but look at how well it was advertised. For some reason, maybe it was sabotage, but Paramount doesn't seem to want to shill it. While Knuckles got his own series. And not a cheap one given how nice his animation is throughout the whole thing.

>>149041888
fag shit has no place in TF because it's a boy franchise and boys are naturally repulsed by fag shit, why is that so hard for your fujo brain to understand?

>>149043364
>boys are naturally repulsed by fag shit
I'm not sure how to tell you this anon, but the #1 participant in fag shit is boys

>>149044021
>i'm faggot so everyone is too

>>149044683
So I won't call youna faggot, but I will call you a retard without reading comprehension.
Possibly ESL.

>>149043018
we need new blood at Hasbro.

>>149045385
new blood is how we get things like Earthspark

What we need are the Rescue Bots crew. Writers, animators, everyone. Less calarts more 40-something fans who probably actually want to make a good series that can sell a toy line.

>>149045983
you know the Rescue Bots showrunner was initially the Earthspark showrunner right? a lot of the people that worked on it worked on other Transformers shows prior.

>>149046149
what the fuck happened? RB's writing was actually very good

Season 1 had a lot of problems mostly with the humans, but they're nothing like the Burns

>>149044021
You'd be wrong there i'm afraid, the #1 participant in fag shit is pedophile rapists while the close second would be subhuman fujos like yourself that promote that kind of shit by jacking off to it, hope this helps

>>149044832
Reading comprehension tells me that you overestimate how relevant faggots are as a target demographic because faggotry and narcisism walk side by side

>>149020522 (OP)
more like robots in decline

>>149048342

TFO is the best TF movie ever made

>>149022091
I wish Knockout made a return in RiD.
>>149042320
>Knockout was damn sexy and he knew it.
Probably one of the few bots where I can see the appeal lookswise.

>>149046411
>pedophile rapists
Yeah. Boys.

>>149048848
>IDW
>KOBD
>mfw people keep spamming WHERE'S HIS CONJUNX
KO didn't give a shit about Breakdown in Prime, I hate these people. And they'll make up shit, generally "he got revenge" when Starscream outright asks him if he cared about Breakdown and said 'not really.'

I want to see him come back, but as a con, same look, and not tethered down to IDW. I like him a lot. We don't get many evil medics outside of the comics and I can't recall if G1 had any. Or Animated. Not counting scientists, I mean medics and people who are trained to help others.

>>149049091
>I want to see him come back, but as a con, same look, and not tethered down to IDW.
I can take or leave the gay stuff other iterations went upon, unpopular opinion around here I know. Though you are correct about KO not caring any bit about Breakdown dying in Prime. That aside, so long as he retains his style, personality, and this is unlikely...but if Daran Norris came back to reprise the role, that would be awesome.

>We don't get many evil medics outside of the comics
True. I mean the most we get in that regard are scientists as you mentioned.

>>149048848
he's basically a tumblr sexyman that flew off tumblr's radar when the show aired

>>149049205
He was always meant to be a homo, which isn't actually my problem.

It's how they softened him in the comics that bothered me and how that's how people see him. And if he comes back for anything, that isn't what I want.

He and Starscream having the best dynamic for an episode was fun. Starscream, as a character, doesn't ever really get a supporter. It's his nature to drive them away, but I liked that he had a willing henchman. If, for any reason, he came back, I'd want to see another try at someone who actually thought Starscream had a chance.

>>149049254
Pretty much.
>>149049299
>It's how they softened him in the comics that bothered me and how that's how people see him. And if he comes back for anything, that isn't what I want.
Good point. Though I suppose if they were to bring him back as he was. I wonder if there would be drama because of it? Maybe writers aren't in any mood to deal with stuff like that. Being accused of writing a "stereotypical villianous gay" character? Then again he was well liked to begin with because of his personality and dynamic with the other antagonists. So softening him up is their means of over-correction.
>I liked that he had a willing henchman.
It was novel to see that since most of the time no matter the iteration. Starscream was more or less seen as a nuiscance that every other Decepticon had to tolerate. No one really conspiring with him intentionally.

>>149049432
I think he made the Combaticons in G1, they hated him. Possessed Waspinator (??) in beast wars, rejected. Animated clones didn't want him. Energon he was a good guy for awhile so Alexis does not count.

But Prime gave him Knock Out who despite the abuse, actually seemed to like him. And I felt like they wasted that. The outcome was predictable, but Starscream's self sabatoge is more of a status quo instead of organic. One time, I'd like to see him as a respected leader who has more than TC and Skywarp as allies and even they can barely stand him. Though I think Starscream and Rumble would be henchman kino.

>>149027158
Eating good

who's the best not-autobot-or-decepticon and why is it wreck-gar?

>>149049644
He's cool in the Exodus novel. Though for me it's Animated Lockdown.

I think factions are a bit boring and they should be races instead. Making characters like lockdown stand out.

>>149049704
animated lockdown is super ben 10 looking. i like it, though. i like the tfa designs, gigantic chins and all.

and i also agree about, it gets boring when everyone is funneled into only two factions. my favorite parts of, something like last airbender, i like seeing all the little niche groups of larger groups. swampbenders, sandbenders, sun warriors, etc

i'm fascinated by the junkions. i've been fucking around making OCs, i like them so much

>>149049761
Junkion- to me, was best done in Aligned because they couldn't do the TV talking, but as a functional race they seemed to actually have a perfectly crafted planet.

Wreck Gar was still the leader, but not really, which was perfect for anarchists living with space garbage.

The novels were all about societies at a complete excess. Velocetron, Sharkticons/Quints and the main bots. Felt like they really showed how destructive they all are and that maybe Primus actually fucked everything up.

Sand Benders were absolutely my favorite sub-faction and were a lot like junkions, thinking about it. Absolutely garbage presence in IDW but I thought his wife Rum-Maj was cute

>>149049876
in the recent void rivals, it sort of goes with that idea. everyone on junkion is scraping by as best they can, so faction loyalties are more or less useless. wreck-gar just happens to be...the guy that's there.

if i wrote a continuity...i'd make wreck-gar the first thing to be born on junkion. as in, a spark or protoform or something just naturally emerged out of all the scrap. born from a wish.

i'd like the tv-talk more if it were structured more like a language, or a memetic spread, rather than straight references. like, if junkions shouted "norm!" whenever someone enters an establishment. or if "don't touch that dial" was just another way of saying "wait a second"

i just really like junk cultures in stuff. skaven, salmonids, mad max. it's so fun.

i also enjoy rum-maj

>>149049969
>born from a wish.
is that a silent hill reference

Were there ever protoforms born outside of cybertron in any canon?

Earthspark has Terrans, not the same. Earth is usually where they construct other bots, not naturally have them. I'm chipping away at the anime series but they all work with life premade, not born. Also the complete and total loss of cybertron in headmasters took me off guard

>>149049704
Isn't that the case in the beast era? They mention multiple times that maximals and predacons have different energy signatures and that Blackarachnia would need to be basically brainwashed to return to her original maximal self.

>>149050082
maybe

as for the protoform thing, i have no idea. i'm kind of going off of tfa again, where chunks of allspark can create lifeforms out of whatever's around. i would imagine that sparks usually just inhabit protoforms more readily, but can chill out in other substances if need be.

>>149050231
Brainwashing? No, she just fucked a dog

>>149050244
spoiler related, I think there should be more magic bs with Primus. But make it not fun. We tend to rely on Primus to be the force of good when it'd be a lot more interesting to see him like in Marvel's G1. A reborn OP with a Mary and Maria dynamic to Orion would be sick. Alternatively, any other known character who comes back to life.

I like that Earth is a freak of space and humans are an unforseen consequence of Unicron, but I end up hate having to see them deal with Unicron. Because it's only really a one way solution. The plans for Animated S4 seemed like they were going to go in that direction and I would rather not see yet another "Earth is about to be monched, everyone must work together"

>>149049969
I thought the way the tv talk was done in Void Rivals was more or less that
It takes a second to decipher

>>149050456
Void Rivals WG is just Bay Bumblebee with radio talk replaced with TV talk

>>149049761
the only thing that bothers in TFA's artstyle is everyone having a dog nose

>>149050397
I really liked the angle in Prime where Unicron was Earth and humans were essentially Unispawn.

>>149050824
not a fan of that concept because that means that we would never be allowed to see him transforming because that would an apocalyptic event

>>149050833
Not if we've advanced to the point of colonizing other worlds, spread across the galaxy like a virus, and await the glorious awakening of Big Daddy Unicron to lead us on a campaign of utter annihilation. Can you imagine how fucking rad it would be for trillions of spacefaring humans on hundreds of worlds to gather together, tune in their space TVs, and watch Earth turn into a giant robot to command our space armadas?

That would be the tightest shit ever, man.

>>149050824
Does that mean Humans are minicons?

>>149050884
Meat minicons. Meatycons.

>>149050824
see >>149050833

If you introduce unicron in any capacity, there is only one solution. And in general, you also can't see him transform because unless they're willing to go for Earth, as in, the entire planet migrating, it's not the kind of unhappy story anyone would willingly take on. Time Travel is the #1 way to show it though, as seen in Marvel's, and that Terminator 1 crossover. That said, it's a problem with only one solution and not something you can explore without a time loop

>>149050865
You think fun.

That's cool.

That's Warhammer 40k levels of hype and it does sound rad

The Transformers' time has come and gone. Now the Gobots will reign supreme!

>>149050948
Unless that's a segue to you posting pictures of Crasher's exhaust port, fuck off.

>>149050989
Don't say I never gotchya anything!

do you think the reason why they became a thing is because their constant bickering reminded Rattrap of Dinobot?

>>149050824
>Primus's champions are 20-50 foot tall robots that turn into space ships and trucks
>Unicron's champions are 6 foot tall meatbags that cannot even invent a laser yet.

I dunno......

>>149051097
>MECH
>Morocco
>KSI

>>149050824
The only part I thought was interesting was when Prime points out the humans are pretty much his children in hopes of getting him to spare them. They could've gone somewhere interesting with that, like him trying to create his own minions to fight the children of Primus and tied it into the not-yet-abandoned(But would be soon enough) subplot about the guy merging with Breakdown's corpse.

Unfortunately they just had him go "Don't give a fuck" and continued on, so like... didn't fucking matter, did it?

>>149051097
>Primus' champions are 20-50 foot tall robots that, despite their penchant for transformation, haven't changed, grown, or advanced in thousands -if not millions- of years and suffer from both reproductive and sustainability issues
>Unicron's champions are 6 foot tall meatbags that are innovative, adapt quickly, have a prolific reproductive cycle, and advance technologically at a truly frightening pace

Seems pretty accurate, yeah.

>>149051086
I only hear bad things about BM despite my willingness to give every transformers series a try, is it really so abysmal

I even gave Energon a real try and it wasn't nearly as unwachable or rage inducing as people made it out to be. Probably because they don't watch anime. Especially 00's era anime where some brown haired self insert was status quo for the mc

>>149050824
It's also the funniest rationalization on why Bayformers humans are so awful

>>149051290
Yo we got that purple Unicron juice in our DNA, motherfucker.

>>149051274
I think this should be a real focus.

One had the makings of it since OP is nearly 50 feet tall. I think Megatron's at 50 even or very close.

They always need fuel, we always have fuel. They can't make any more bots and live forever, we've got expiration dates at 150 and outnumber their population 100k to one and more

It's a great theory to have, but it's never been touched on this deeply

>>149051290
>all those speeches OP gives
>by movie 4 he tells us to eat shit and die

>>149051282
Oh no, it's not 100 percent shit across the board. There are good concepts and scenes in it, it's just by and large pretty bad both as a standalone show in general, as sequel to Beast Wars it's abysmal, and as a Transforrmers show outright it just isn't a good fit. The show tried to do a lot of new things that simply put did not work with any of the three.

So, as a show itself it's obviously very disjointed, constantly repeating plot elements and failing to advance until abrupt spurts, characters are constantly whining and doing stuff "For the story" and unfortunately the end makes a whole lot of it feel pointless. It has some great scenes in it, but on the greater whole you have to put up with Nightwing's pointless subplot just to get to it and to be frank, they're not worth it.

As a sequel to Beast Wars it is jarringly terrible. Characters are wildly different, and for the worse almost universally. Almost, Cheetor actually kind of improves? Even if it's not exactly a smooth storytelling to get there. Giant leaps in logic to get characters who did the exact opposite across Beast Wars to suddenly be defined by a weakness they easily overcame before, for example Rattrap has a big issue where he doesn't have enough weapons built in. Rattrap. RATTRAP feels weak because he doesn't have a gun arm. And again, it's all pretty much for the worse, Blackarachnia got hit hard and it shows, to say nothing of poor Primal.

And finally as a Transformers show, it's not good. Why? Well you see, they don't transform like, well, transformers. They glow in light and completely change everything. No fun shifting or transformations, no quirks like Primal spinning his legs in BW, it's just glowy blob and then they're different in every way. Oh, and the end of the series is "Yeah now there are no more robots and they're all these glow-blob-changing animals", which is kind of a kick in the teeth to fans of fucking Transformers, right?

Just, not good.

>>149051327
ONE MORE THING!
Primus is order and stability, but also stagnation.
Unicron is chaos and destruction, but also growth.

Yin. Yang. Balance.

>>149051282
>is it really so abysmal

My honest opinion? No. Once you get over the dogshit technorganic designs and small lore inconsistencies the series is very enjoyable to watch. It's the most serialized TF series ever made which means that every episode gets you hooked for the next one. Even the most common complaining about some characters not acting like their BW selves(mostly Primal, Silverbolt and Rhinox/Tankor) doesn't sustain itself when you actually watch the series(BM is the kind of series where you get completely lost when you miss a single episode, so the fans that watched an episode at random where Primal was acting like a weird spiritual guru got very confused). Overall I gave the series a 7/10 after giving BW a 9/10, but I got into it expecting some RiD 2015 levels of garbage so take it with a grain of sailt.

>>149051374
>Rattrap has a big issue where he doesn't have enough weapons built in. Rattrap. RATTRAP feels weak because he doesn't have a gun arm.

Rattrap was still a huge badass in BW despite having the shittiest alt mode so it's understandable that he got reduced to tech support guy.

>>149051162
>Unfortunately they just had him go "Don't give a fuck" and continued on, so like... didn't fucking matter, did it?
That's Prime to a T. Somehow both able to pull off these big changing moments while also barely feeling like anything happened.

>>149051374
>Rattrap has a big issue where he doesn't have enough weapons built in. Rattrap. RATTRAP feels weak because he doesn't have a gun arm.

Rattrap was still a huge badass in BW despite having the shittiest alt mode so it's understandable that he got butthurt when reduced to tech support guy.

>>149051384
>mostly Primal, Silverbolt and Rhinox/Tankor
And Blackarachnia.
And Megatron(Organic racism? The actual fuck?)
And oh dear fucking lord, Rattrap. I'm sorry but you're the one who somehow got completely lost by missing an episode if you can draw a line between whatever the fuck his character was in Beast Machines with the guy who managed to outfox and bomb the fuck out of an airship and ride the motherfucker to the ground like Slim Pickens. Fun fact, Rattrap barely used his blasters in most of his victories, he always had alternative ways of winning because he knew his firepower was a fraction of the big hitters. He still bitched and moaned and then he got in there and did it while laughing his ass off.

He already had the worst beast form and his only response to that was carrying more bombs, BM just is OOC and a bad OOC at that, because it didn't even make for a good story.

>>149051374
I wonder why the japanese dub thought it would be a good idea to turn Nightscream into the most stereotypical fag you can possibly show in a cartoon for children in the early 2000's. Like, which kid would ask their parents to buy the fag bat toy for christmas for them? And Nightscream's toy was one of the biggest and thus one of the most expensive of the BM toyline.

>>149051425
That's all he was originally, he's always been tech and subterfuge stuff. This is him essentially going

>Yeah, I used to be able to outsmart preds and was the actual one who saved everyone from Ravage, but my shoulder doesn't turn into a gun anymore so I'm going to betray all of you for some guns.

>>149051415
Isn't it a little bit nuts how

Megatron lives, consequence free.
Shockwave lives, consequence free.

But Optimus is dead.

I know he gets revived but by Rising, this is all anyone knew until 2015. And Shockwave was one of the biggest contributors to the destruction of everything during their war since he kept Megatron's house mostly clean while waiting for him

>>149051513
>We missed out on Silverbolt and Blackarahnia finding and protecting "Newt from Aliens" Nightscream in favor of this guy just because the guy wanted to reduce the number of BW characters

If ever you needed to know we were in the wrong timeline

>>149051282
Beast Machines is worth watching once

>>149051383
Robots must defeat robots

>>149051531
>Shockwave lives, consequence free.
He was in the negative zone for seemingly forever.

>>149051558
That's Soundwave anon

>>149051565
Well son of a bitch.

>>149051374
>And finally as a Transformers show, it's not good. Why? Well you see, they don't transform like, well, transformers. They glow in light and completely change everything. No fun shifting or transformations, no quirks like Primal spinning his legs in BW, it's just glowy blob and then they're different in every way.
The vehicons Transform at least.

>>149051097
I feel like the Cybertronians are way WAY more chaotic and destructive being in the constant state of war for the better part of 4 million years until their species is brought down to less than 100 survivors.

humans eventually stop warring with each other on occasion

>>149051600
Sure, but they're the badguys and they're working to make that go away forever... which they eventually succeed in doing. Even if it's a major downgrade for some of them.

Poor waspinator. Took that motherfuckers happy ending and pissed on it

>>149051513
>into the most stereotypical fag you can possibly show in a cartoon for children in the early 2000's. Like, which kid would ask their parents to buy the fag bat toy for christmas for them? And Nightscream's toy was one of the biggest and thus one of the most expensive of the BM toyline.

Takara kinda knew BM was a wash, and didn't dub the show immediately. When they did, it was only aired as a satellite tv network program five years after their BW dub ended, and the dub crew was given pretty free reign. IT was aimed at audiences now nostalgic for BW so not really kids, and the toys had a limited run(which has made them fairly pricey sicne they made the colors show accurate) At one point, the Maximal VAs ust go into a riff where they try to pronounce the character's names backwards
Notably this happens in the episode where Primal dies and is left flat, to which the Maximals joke "Ynoco Pettanko!"(pettanko meaning "flat")
This actually made Takara tell them to cool it a bit with the jokes, but otherwise they continued with the dub being very lax.
One thing that's kinda disheartening to learn was that BW's popularity in Japan was sort of irony driven, they considered it an ugly looking show, and the dub leaning on humor and improve was seen as a way to make an unappealing show palatable and fun.

>>149051531
The moment I knew the show was just kind of a wash was when they seemingly crippled Bulkhead
Ok this is interesting, I thought, now they have to figure out how the big bruiser of the team has to get by. Maybe he becomes an engineer like his animated self? Maybe he learns to rely on guile and tools like the artifacts they were finding?
Nope, a few episodes later he's back to normal