Holy fuck, what was the point of all this fucking setup?

Huh?

>>149026912 (OP)
maybe because it gives scale to the movie and how far Atlantis is?

>>149026921
They spend all this time setting up the massively funded expedition with all the bells and whistles, the whole crew that's gonna be involved and everything only for the sub to go down after 10 minutes and most of the expedition is spent going through caves with half the generic henchmen gone.

>>149026999
It shows how treacherous and unpredictable the journey to Atlantis turns out to be. Shows that Miloh might be getting himself caught up in something even his months--or is it years?--of research couldn't have prepared him for. All the most exciting adventures don't go as planned. Sucks for the artists and modelers who had to painstakingly craft that submarine though

Setup? It’s like ten minutes from meeting Helga to the Leviathan fucking their shit

>>149026999
you are fucking mental.

>>149026999
They had a two hour movie in which they needed to get the main characters from Washington DC to a mysterious subterranean city in the center of the earth. With enough time left over for them to have an epic adventure while they are down there. The first leg of that journey calls for a phenomenally powerful submarine that can get them to the bottom of the ocean and also needs to sort of seem like it could maybe secretly exist in the 1910s. And then they couldn’t spend a whole lot of screentime on the characters just riding in the sub because that could be boring and they weren’t actually trying to just make 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea again. Then they needed to up the stakes and accelerate the story, and ditching the sub fills that need perfectly.

Makes perfect sense to me and I can’t imagine it bothering anybody else besides hyper autists that want to take every possible weird nitpick they can find and then pretend it’s bad storytelling just because they don’t get the genre tropes at play.

>>149026999
To show that Atlantis stuff makes the most advanced stuff at the time look like nothing and to get the needed cast to Atlantis.

The set up was the best part. Not knowing if Atlantis was really down there or not.

>>149028116
I think everybody that bought a ticket to a movie called Atlantis: The Lost Empire sorta expected them to probably get to Atlantis at some point.

>>149028152
I thought they'd just get lost

>>149028152
Journey to the Center of the Earth ends with them never being really sure if they actually made it to the center of the earth.

>>149026912 (OP)
It looks really cool

>>149028474
Literally this.

It’s about the buildup to get to Atlantis.

>>149026912 (OP)
It is pretty funny that they designed this really cool submarine set piece only for it to be destroyed fairly early on in the series.
Almost makes me wish we could see a longer version of the story. Like a 2 season TV show with the first season being the journey to Atlantis, and the second season being exploring Atlantis and uncovering the conspiracy. That way there would have been more time for underwater submarine adventurers.

>>149028277
>Journey to the Center of the Earth
I'm surprised this has never gotten any notable animated movie. besides two besides two shoestring budgets tv movies. would be neat to have a faithful adaption.

>>149029754
forgot to add "faitful adaption with at least don bluth level quality".

>>149026912 (OP)
The original draft intended to have the submarine survive to reach the sea cave and be able to offload its small army of troops and supplies before being destroyed by a grenade down a hatch into the torpedo bay.

>>149029742
heh now I imagine an alternative universe where all the movies are series/cartoon instead and vice versa

Eyy Milo

>>149026999
Its called setting the scene

>>149026999
you might be too stupid to watch cartoons for 8 year olds
try cocomelon it won't confuse you

This movie is so fucking Kino I only wish it were longer.
More adventure, more Atlantian culture. So fucking based.

>>149026912 (OP)
Effectively it's just there as sort of a jobbing thing. Everyone chips in to make the ultimate machine staffed with shitloads (thousands? I forget if they give an actual number) of people and all the latest tech and it just gets FUCKED by a 100x more advanced machine that was basically just the security guard for Atlantis and there's only like 50 survivors in total after getting anally fisted.
Kinda falls under the same vibe as Star Trek Enterprise where it's like, all of humanity puts together the best ship they can ever hope to think of and they only can manage to make one (1), and then they go out there and there's mass-produced ships with cloaking technology, shield systems, hilariously OP cutting lasers and so on, so every fight is some uphill battle and every battle ends with them looking like swiss cheese.

The utter wipe of the sub also sets up the movie with fewer characters to animate, less CGI machinery to fuck with, and a more "realistic" number of villains to have to defeat at the end.
Also, fuck, still the top 5, maybe top 3 most gruesome ways for a villain to go out in any movie ever, holy shit.

>>149030783
Pretty sure they made a sequel, no clue if it was any good though.

>>149026912 (OP)
No, Anon, you don’t understand this is an anti-colonial story where you should be ashamed of your ancestors who made discoveries and went on journeys to the ends of the earth!

Remember Anon if you accidentally discovered a bunch of savages in loincloths who have a super-artifact that is capable of changing ideas about science and advancing humanity forward YOU SHOULD NEVER, EVER, AND UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES EVER TAKE THIS ARTIFACT FROM THE SAVAGES!!!

Why?

BECAUSE YOU'RE WHITE, OKAY? YOU CAN'T DO THIS AND THAT'S IT!

>>149031042
>Pretty sure they made a sequel, no clue if it was any good though.
They tried making a tv series and then when their three pilot episodes didn't get the show picked up they released them as a movie instead. As I remember there was one really kino story where they're at some Innsmouth place in Iceland, fishpeople and a Cthulhu kraken and really great atmosphere, one boring story about some magic desert creatures and then an episode where an old man has the spear of Odin and it's an Atlantean artefact that gives you some powers?

>>149027735
>Se esquivar leva duas
Sometimes the dub is better than the original.

>>149030142
More like it would survive and get immediately attacked by Squid Bats. There was a lot more monsters on the road to Atlantis

>>149028277
It’s weird, for a long time I thought that they emerged out of their journey at the end somewhere in China or something and that that sorta implied that they went straight through the earth, but I looked it up and it turns out they go underground in Iceland and then come back out in Sicily. Which is still a big deal but also less outrageously impressive.

I think when I read it as a kid I was just even worse at geography than I am now, and also Verne spends so little time on what the characters actually do on the surface after they get out that it almost might as well have been anywhere.

>>149029754
going from that, of all the adaptations i've seen, i've yet to see one put the ichthyosaur vs plesiosaur fight to screen. its the most vivid scene in the book and people love to watch two giant monsters fight, why does it get shafted so much?

Could've been interesting if Helga had second thoughts about the plan and joined the others. Her and Kida competing for Milo would be fun.

>>149032697

>>149026912 (OP)
This movie aint praised for its writing

I feel like we needed one scene of the Ulysses easily taking on some great challenge to make the whole jobbing to an advanced Atlantean bodyguard more impactful. What would that obstacle be? I dunno, fighting a giant squid? Might be silly, but that's a placeholder idea.

I think as is, we're just told how amazing it is and then never get to see it's capabilities. We just have to assume they're amazing because it's a really cool looking sub.

>>149031552

>>149033261
Just holding that much crew and equipment and then going that deep is really impressive on its own, especially for the setting. But the power of water pressure like that is difficult to convey to children and laypeople who don’t care about underwater exploration already.

Fighting a squid or a whale would have been redundant and some people would definitely sympathize with a biological seamonster and get bummed out seeing it defeated, vs the giant robot fight we got instead. Maybe it coulda been cool if the ship exploded some water mines on the way down and shook that off like it was nothing, or if it went through an undersea volcano or geyser effortlessly.

Vinny was objectively the best character

>>149033494
>movie is set in 1914 just before or after the start of WW1
>set it up so the Ulysses has to make it through an area with lots of Allied and German mine and U-boat activity to get to the area they suspect Atlantis is located in (maybe this is the excuse for Rourke and Helga being on the mission - they both have military connections and have intel that the mission needs to traverse the area safely)
>super tense Red Octoberish scene where they have to carefully maneuver passed mines and subs
>something happens (maybe Milo fucks something up) that causes them to clip a mine on the way out of the field
>we get to see the crew pull together and deal with the damage from the explosion
>Rourke is pissed, but reassures everyone it'll take more than a mine to sink them, and that hopefully both sides will assume the other set off the mine
>asks Packard to keep tabs on sonar for any signs of pursuit which is why she picks up the Leviathan later on.

>>149032697
Well she did give her mind about the fact they didn't expect the Atlanteans to be still there, but beyond that...

>>149033103
Only a theory, just like Amelia having male sex organs

Would this movie have been more successful if it hadn't just lifted Roland Emmerich and Dean Devlin's script for Stargate wholesome? Or were it's meager box office earnings solely because it ripped off of something people recognized?

>>149033103
Amazingly autistic post

>>149031552
I'd actually be ok with the humans being le evil colonialists but having the natives turn out to be good guys was fucking retarded and ruins the whole film for me.

>>149026999
>>149034789
>>149033494
>>149033261
The movie would have performed better had it been half an hour longer and dedicated that half-hour to exploration and adventure within Atlantis itself. A lot of fans tend to neglect that the film's lack of actual adventure is what drove away general audiences and hardcore Disney fans. Not enough happens in the movie, and adventure films NEED stuff happening.

>>149034927
It's been rumored for a while that King Kashekim may have originally been intended to be the film's antagonist in earlier incarnations of the story.

>>149031552
>YOU SHOULD NEVER, EVER, AND UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES EVER TAKE THIS ARTIFACT FROM THE SAVAGES!!!
...You don't even know what said artifact does. For all we know it could cursed or becomes unstable the moment it gets too far from where you found it. At least approach it with some level of caution before going "lets steal this" mode.

Second, calm down dude. We're not on twitter or tumblr.

>>149035077
Far as I can tell it wasn't a length problem (it's already almost two hours long), and most of the movie's complaints came from the fact it was a serious and "adult" Disney movie that wasn't even a musical, something Disney's main audience wasn't interested in at the time.
I can only imagine the horror on parents' faces when the villain became a horrifying crystal monster screeching like something straight from Hell.
Plus IIRC it came out too close to some other movies that might've stolen some of its thunder.
Some people seem to blame Stitch for it, but ehhhh, I don't think those two movies are THAT close.

>>149031552

>>149035352
>>149035258
These you?

>>149031552
Gottem

>>149035381
I think they are a glownigger trying to weaken the morale

>>149035393
Bringing in culture war stuff full force and schizing out near the end is a gotcha? Like, I agree with his points on woke shit and the natives being depicted "good boi" dumbasses, but when you sound like someone hurt you when you write your grievances, it just makes it hard to take you seriously.

>>149035381
Kek what a whiny sissy bitch

>>149035465
>When you sound like someone hurt you
The people he’s attacking have caused immeasurable harm.

>>149033568
Trvth

>>149026912 (OP)
idiot

>>149026912 (OP)
I preferred the Avatar approach instead of this long setup of submarines and funding. Avatar really just starts with the space ships at Pandora. There is no long winded story of Jake trying to get funding and meeting investors and then building and maintaining the space ships.

Atlantis took so long to set up that we really only got a few scenes inside Atlantis before the guns came out. We got the palace inner scene, the market scene, and then the swimming scene. That's it. That's all of Atlantis that we got before the guns were drawn and the rest of the movie becomes about shooting.

>>149028040
While we're at it, someone should make a 3D under the sea movie, they are the kind of movie that works perfectly as a flexing of special effects, and I love those things, the two last ones I can think of were Nemo 1&2, heck, the Deep and the Octonauts already look decent despiste using a lower budget, I bet a big studio like Disney or Paramount could make something really good

>>149029754
>>149029767
This, I could do with a DreamWorks version as long as they kept the wacky vive on the underground

>>149037729
dishonest animation and filmmaking

>>149026912 (OP)
>Yes it's safe from giant robot lobsters.

>>149037729
Unless that glass was like three feet thick the entire ship should have been like a giant Titan the second it got to any appreciable depth.

>>149034789
>>149035077
>>149037112
Atlantis rightfully drew a lot of comparisons from audiences and critics with Stargate, and it's worth pointing out that the first ~45 minutes of both movies follow a surprisingly similar timetable as far as some of the key plot points. Five minutes into both movies we have our unpopular fringe linguist giving an unsuccessful lecture and being approached by a mysterious woman to join a team. Twenty-five minutes into both movies we have our teams activating their means of travel and embarking on their adventure. Forty-five minutes into both movies we have our teams meeting the survivors of an ancient culture, and are introduced to the chief of the society and his daughter the love interest.

Obviously there are big differences, and the plots quickly diverge from this point, but it's remarkable how closely they link up to that point, and I think it points out just how big of a problem the pacing is in Atlantis. 45 minutes is only a third of the way into Stargate, leaving two-thirds of the film for fun anthropology stuff and exciting sci-fi action, and we get a good three, four action sequences before the end of the movie. But that's nearly halfway through Lost Empire, which really only has the one action sequence in the second half of the movie (it's a good sequence, but it is just the one).

>>149033103

>>149037729
coolest shit ever

>>149038821
Next you'll tell us that no country could build a submarine capable of housing hundreds of people with plenty of room to spare before WWI

I like the part when you can just tell everybody fuckin dies getting there

Helga lived by the way, can't prove she didn't

>>149026912 (OP)
rule of cool

Ever heard of it?

>>149026912 (OP)
>>149038502

>>149041892
this would be less tragic if only the rich retard died, but because of him several other people got turned into red mist at the bottom of the sea

>>149031552
>just grab a dangerous, poorly understood, extremely lethal artifact and take it there is no way it can go wrong
>just handle raw uranium with your bare hands, theres no way therell be consequences

>>149030772
You might be the one who is too young here

People have always thought that the movie was way more interesting when they were in the sub, and the plot takes a nosedive after actually reaching atlantis
The destruction of the sub by the lobster is both the best scene of the movie and yet also in the first third, so the movie basically peaks at the beginning

>>149041892
Both suffered the same fate of getting rekt, so how advanced it was is actually irrelevant.

>>149041953
What the fuck are you talking about? Everyone who went down in the sub was rich(except maybe one person).
I don't feel much for people that went down in a sub controlled by a logitech ps2 pad. There's many more people with sadder deaths that we don't give a shit about or never hear about.

>>149026912 (OP)
>>149026999
Did you get mad at the Moon landing because 90% of the rocket falls off just a few hundred miles in?

>>149026999
Yeah I remember feeling something like that when I first watched it. All of that preparation and cool infrastructure, then it's destroyed in seconds.
The rest of the plot is stupid too, like the cook supposedly being "the best of the best" as the rich guy says it, yet he only cooks shit that nobody likes, for comedy.
If there was a movie that deserved a rewrite and a remake (CGI or live-action), it's this.

>>149043418
>the cook supposedly being "the best of the best" as the rich guy says it, yet he only cooks shit that nobody likes

Cookie wasn’t selected to be a five star michelin chef on a luxury cruise. He was selected for having years of survivalist experience in the wild west. His food wasn’t tasty, but it was edible, non perishable, and fortifying. No one on his expedition is left underfed. The joke is that he doesn’t mind if anyone doesn’t finish his meals because “it’ll keep and keep and keep,” as in it doesn’t expire and he can serve it again later. If his crew ever got Donner Partied, Cookie would be the guy to save them from eating each other by serving shit no one else would ever guess could be considered food.

>>149043418
>why isn't cookie making 5 star meals
They would be if you managed to fucking survive him breaking your neck

>>149043494
>No one on his expedition is left underfed.
You're headcanoning. They literally refuse to eat his food and throw it into a bonfire.

>>149043518
Why do we have to jump from "cooks slop that people refuse to eat + doesn't know what a lettuce is" to "cooking a 5-star meal"?
In the middle there's a "Hey Cookie, y'know, despite all the hardships we're facing, eating your food makes me feel like I'm back home, like I can keep moving on" (thanks, ChatGPT).

>>149043935
NTA but they throw it in the bonfire because they're not driven to starvation yet. But the point is that Cookie is versatile enough that, even if they're stuck in a cave under the bottom of the ocean for months, not a single crew member will die of starvation. They won't be happy eating slop, but they won't starve, either. That's kind of the guy you want for a treacherous expedition to a mythical place you aren't even sure exists.

>>149043935
You’re still missing the point of what qualifications Cookie actually was expected to meet, and how if you think about his backstory and the potential pitfalls of the expedition, he actually met them well. He was the best qualified man for the job he was assigned to, despite being a goofy crazy guy that at first look seems like he’s barely qualified at all. That is the running theme for the entire main cast.

Cookie doesn’t seem like a bad cook just for comedy purposes (though the jokes are still there), the movie is making a point about not judging people on first impressions.

>>149043935
>eating your food makes me feel like I'm back home, like I can keep moving on

Whitmore didn’t want Cookie’s food to make them feel at home. He wanted “We’d better get to Atlantis and back as quick as possible, so we can escape Cookie’s terrible cooking.” Or “When we get to Atlantis, I hope they have better food than Cookie’s.” to motivate them to keep moving. Good tasting food CAN be good for morale, but so is the bonding experience they all had over finding the common enemy of Cookie’s shitty food.

>>149045072
Part of Cookie's backstory is that he cooked for General Custer and that he blames a bad meal he made on how badly his forces got BTFO'd by the Indians.

>>149045324
Good learning experience for him.

that's the least aerodynamic sub i've ever seen
but it also looks really fucking cool

>>149045373
It’s not supposed to fly in the air.

>>149045324
>>149031552
>anti colonial story
>cook sabotaged Custer
I wonder if it was on purpose.

>>149042807
Kinda.

>>149039009
While good points that's a stupid comparison due critics to make. As a kid I saw the Atlantis trailer and got hyped for it for almost a year leading up to it and went and saw it in theaters 2-3 times and I didn't even know Stargate existed because it was a boring adult non-cartoon movie. Why would a bunch of kids be thinking "Oh it's like that Stargate movie?"

>>149045373
Nothing wrong with being a little thicc.

>>149042807
LMAO

>>149037112
Okay but Atlantis managed to make its first act of set-up still engaging, animation knows how to do that. Avatar would've been a slog to get through if Cameron had done the same.

>>149042239
One of the people that went down was a 19 year old who only went down for his dad’s sake.

>>149047221
His death was tragic and he didnt deserve to die just cause he was doing a thing his dad pressured him into. He was also still wealthy as sin and he still could have insisted against it and not gone.

>>149039009
and both have them try to workout the language differences, although Atlantis gets it done quicker

>>149043418
I always assumed that the cook was the friend of the old rich man/or someone else who invested/backed in the project, hence he was sort of shoved in, the rest of the crew seemed familiar with him anyway so maybe they were the reason he was hired

>>149048069
They all knew each other because they went on a previous expedition with Milo’s dead grandfather. Not sure exactly what the selection process was before that.

>>149028474
It really does look cool, and if it didn't show up in a trailer, the movie probably wouldn't exist.

>>149042807
get his ass

>>149045435
>Why would a bunch of kids be thinking "Oh it's like that Stargate movie?"
It wasn't uncommon for kids to watch things that weren't hyperactive kiddie stuff. It was much more common to be exposed to media just because someone in your family was watching it and there would only be one cable box/VHS player/DVD player in the house. I used to watch TNG and Hercules: The Legendary Journeys at 10 and loved it.

>hey should we put a cool scene where a giant mechanical sea monster attacks the giant sub in the movie?
>every sane person on earth: Yes
>retarded cocksuckers like OP: NOOOOOOOOO WHAT THE POINT?!

>>149050169
Watching age-inappropriate things behind the parents' backs is a lost art.

>>149026912 (OP)
>>149051589
Did anyone else have the toy growing up?

>>149052095
I have the little version of the Ulysses that came as a prize in boxes of cereal, somewhere around here. I was already grown up when Atlantis came out, but I also rarely ever throw anything away...

>>149037729
>>149026912 (OP)
Cringe
Lobster victim
Cry

>>149045373
you mean hydrodynamic

>>149037729
Think about the sheer size of the ship that carried that monster.

>>149051589
I recall someone running the numbers based on the blast radius from the torpedoes from the Ulysses and its fighters and it turned out those damn things are nearly nuclear in power.

>>149034040
>just like Amelia having male sex organ
Yeah
Wait what?!

>>149041892
Kek

>>149048105
It feels like the movie is going to reveal rourke killed his grandfather, but that never happens

>>149054464
Some types keep claiming Amelia was the one to have inseminated Doc or something