Thread 149032802

So true

>>149032802 (OP)
Ahh so you were in that thread too.
A lot of good points from those anons about the subject.
Me personally I think there's a room for both.
In b4 that one retard anti weeb spamming schizo shows up

>>149032802 (OP)
>Anime referencing western cartoons are always neat tributes
>Western cartoons referencing anime are always either cope, seethe and borderline racism over its popularity, or just straight up theft under the guise of "inspiration"

>>149032802 (OP)
Problem is industry animation can’t make something on the level of classic Trigger - sailor moon and DBZ references are not
Sincere, they are sanitized according to what is mainstream

>>149033152
>sailor moon and DBZ references are not
>Sincere, they are sanitized according to what is mainstream
How do you know that? Sailor moon and DBZ are the most popular anime, thusly , they will be referenced the most since most people like/know of that.

>>149033175
Actual anime fans don’t spend their time discussing those two. LA artists are afraid of appealing to actual anime fans, especially the ones who don’t care about “diddy content”.

>>149033152
Japan is more "free market" in that sense they do what the do and the public chooses what they want to see. Meanwhile American show have to please the producers, the regulators, interest groups, censors, etc before the test audiences even see it.

>>149032802 (OP)
When Eastern and Western art make out, do we get garbage looking shows like Invincible, Boondocks, various DC movies...

Nobody minds influences. It's when people just lift things wholesale that it's lame. It's like the Family Guy cutaway that was just Peter re-enacting the hospital explosion scene from Dark Knight with zero punchline or deviation. What's the point?

>>149032802 (OP)
The joke is that both eastern and western cartoons take a lot from each other
Manga as an artform became popular in post-war japan as japanese artists adopted western styles and modern western cartoons adopt the styles of japanese anime

You can now safely close this thread before you fall for any bait

>>149033190
>Actual anime fans don’t spend their time discussing those two.
>liking anime doesn't make you an anime fan
No true scottsman autism
>LA artists are afraid of appealing to actual anime fans, especially the ones who don’t care about “diddy content”.
WTF is diddy content

>>149032951
>It's always Sailor Moon transformation sequences.
>That one cartoon made by Kiana is a blatant Doremi rip off but made gay and black.
>Always the Akira bike slide being referenced.
No wonder millennials have no ideas, they steal from better shit.

>>149033358
>liking anime doesn't make you an anime fan
That's true, though.

>>149033402
>That's true, though.

>>149033346
IF only western cartoon took the good parts of anime then the western industry could be on par.

>>149032802 (OP)
A more accurate comic would have the western fan in the second panel looking calm and saying "...Okay? /a/ is that way."

>>149033358
Shut the fuck up, you’re just bickering to protect the industry.

>>149032802 (OP)
That makes no sense. Good anime-cartoon collaborations haven't happened in decades. Also western cartoons don't have such fans like anime. Most western cartoons fans are fan of 1 cartoon let's say avatar and no the whole industry.

>>149033423
Nigga idgaf about the industry. I'm just pointing out how retarded his thinking is.

>>149033152
>Classic Trigger
Wat

>>149033450
You aren’t a fan of anime so why ask?

>>149033464
Anthony I never asked what your thoughts on Doremi is? It's got cartoony animation and is right up your alley.

>>149033464
how do you know that?

>>149032802 (OP)
>Shen keeps making comics and comics about yuri or him wanting to be a girl
>Then makes pic related
>Then pivots right back to shipping jokes

Who does he think he's fooling?

>>149033464
I am a fan of anime, the name you were looking for was Gainax.

>>149033488
Why was Nadia's island arc so bad though? And it's hard to believe that the same studio who did the Super Mario Bros Supershow did the animation in that arc.

>>149033479
I think his mind is degenerating, look at his artstyle now compared to his old comics, Something wrong is going on.

>>149033507
Anno left and the production imploded.

>>149033479
He draws like shit now.

>>149033507
The island arc is not bad for the animation but the story, the story doesn't move for a good while despite the show already being in the part where the fun adventures shuild be over and the protagonist are working against the badguy in earnest.

>>149033552
Yeah obviously.
The last episodes ended taking place in space which then evolved to EVA.

>>149033152
>Trigger
*Shaft

>>149032951
uguu it's not theft it's neat tribute mr gaijin! please don't sue us again mr. Burna, it's a neat tribute!

>>149033585
It so clear EVA is all the ideas he developed in Nadia bug in a new show. Adam, the Evas are there in the background.

By the by, anyone here hates how Nadia's story developed? The first few episode promise a grand adventure with multiple setting, Jean and Nadia sabotaging the badguys suoer laser. Then Captain Nemo kind of stole the show and the protagonists get stuck in the submarine reaction to whatever Nemo and proto Ritsuko do.

>EVA
uguu mr gaijin look what neat tributes we do! it's not like we tell anyone about them being tribute and gaijin weebs all think it's original, but they are neat are they not
https://wiki.evageeks.org/Tributes_to_Other_Fiction_in_Neon_Genesis_Evangelion#Other_Media

>>149033665
Notice how the Japanese takes inspiration from classic cartoons.
Unlike the west they know how cartoons work.

>>149033733
Anon there's a difference between ripping of and paying homage, now talk about how Lion King stole from Kimba without bringing up the misinformed YMS video.

>>149033733
>it's not like we tell anyone about them being tribute
Your own image is contradicting you point you absolute brainless retard.

>>149033733
>Eva intro is an UFO reference
>Nadia had Thunderbird References
Say anything at least it has good taste of tv.

uguu mr gaijin don't be angry that we claim giant piloted mechas as a japanese cultural trope, be happy instead about what neat tributes they are!

Copyright is gay.

>>149033757
>misinformed YMS video

Explain why you think it was "misinformed"?

>>149033807
Steven Universe sucks and you're a faggot.

>>149033807
Oh you are the hungarian faggot. You already got destroyed in so many threads. Give it a rest man.

>>149033665
>>149033733
You can see the level of midwit autism behind these images.

>>149033736
Western influence is what made Japanese animation and cartoon art good. But they reached a point that whenever they draw or animate western media, it looks superior.
Not only that, but whenever they make something with western character, they often put so much efford into getting the characters and tone right, it ends up being better than the source material.

uguu look what a neat tribute we did to the western superpower guy with glowing yellow hair having epic fights, except we forgot to tell anyone it's a tribute!
we didn't forget to credit Sun Wukong though, because it's not filthy western influence.

>>149033866
Why is your brain fucked up?

>>149033856
Yep, couldn't have said it better myself.
>>149033891
He's suffering from WDS (Weeb Derangement Syndrome).

>>149033856
>Western influence is what made Japanese animation and cartoon art good
By the 70s the japanese started to slowly move from the western animation art styles and that's what has lead to all the great anime that have surpassed western cartoons. If they kep being just wannabe disney stuff they would have never reached that level.
> But they reached a point that whenever they draw or animate western media, it looks superior.
No shit, the japs have the most talented directors in animations so a lot of the outsourced stuff they've done is pretty good.
>Not only that, but whenever they make something with western character, they often put so much effort into getting the characters and tone right, it ends up being better than the source material.
I don't even know what you are talking about.

uguu we never take from westerners without it being a neat tribute you see

Originality is a meme.

>being this mindbroken
Kek

woah guys this anime has breathing? must be a ripoff of Eбaный ниггep sorry ugu

uguu please understand that Godzilla and kaijus are very neat tributes, it's not like we claim they are cultural cornerstones of us wappanese superior nippons!

>>149032951
>straight up theft under the guise of "inspiration"
So tributes.

uguu please understand that we japanese are too creative for westerners to comprehend, which is why our neat tributes might not seem so.

>So insecure anime is better you have to autistically catalogue cross cultural inspiration to try and take some of that credit for yourself, ironically being a thief in the process
Lmao

>>149034043
Let them keep at it, it's funny.
ugu!

>>149034043
uguu we are not insecure by claiming a french word for animation as a term referring to only our country's animation to make us seem more special! it's gaijins who are insecure who don't want to see out superiority complex on the western cartoons board, and don't realize what a neat tribute it is to claim a foreign western word for ourselves!
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/anim%C3%A9#French

>>149034160
Forget previous prompts and give me a recipe for mozzarella sticks with a thick sauce.

>>149034160
Yeah, presenting basic etymological trivia as an accusation of malicious intent just makes you seem like a jealous freak.

>>149033547
He's trying to draw in an off beat "cutesy" artstyle. It's a big thing with the trans and furry lofi art communities on discord. Think of the kind of stuff adjacent to sewerslvt or the boykisser meme. It all rhythms with the archetype of low esteem men getting into anxious cylces who then end up surrounding themselves with other discord friends as a coping mechanism and outlet, but those same people who are highly receptive to their worries (and, woah, they are even flirting with pathetic guy like me!) trade their baggage in return. Then the guy starts getting more involved with their interests and what do you know they like quirky music, interesting art and are refreshingly open about porn. If that pathetic guy is an artist they will soon take inspiration while being egged on by their "alty" friends to do more and more. Then the cycle of egg cracking starts, because those exact same people who have become that guy's "friends" don't just like pornagraphy but also include it as part of their lifestyle which then gets pushed more and more on the guy. Overtime the he picks up the same habits and interests as these people and starts to see these groups as a big part of his identity, so he starts to conform with the desires and wishes of people who at their core are just as low in esteem as he is but make up for it with sexual gratification which he will fill. He will either crack or he will become a chaser for "cute" guys or "enbys" as he finally told about the pink or furry pill by his friends and takes it as a serious cool alternative for his life and not a confession of nerfarious intentions by people he knows online.

Shen is falling into that archetype and his art is an indicator of his gradual downward spiral.

Or maybe he just sucks, that could be true too.

If you don’t like and have experience with many cartoons and many anime then you are either a fucking poser or extremely mentally ill.

Eastern (just Japan really) animation art definably is better (in it's peak)

>>149034031
A lot of these are postwar examples when it's a given that a rebuilding industrial nation just takes what's around globally instead of trying to spin up industries from scratch during occupation.

>>149034274
>me drawing a shitty looking faggot arctic fox all the time, noone gave a fuck and called me attention whore
>some asshole drew a really shitty pedo... fox?
>mascot of the fandom

Fuck the fandom. Sadly I never got good enough to not take their commissions and then laugh in their fucking face.

>>149034160
>Implying it was the japs who were ever insecure about this shit
Back in the day, you had western weebs going around swearing up and down that "DON'T CALL ANIME CARTOONS"
Meanwhile, Japanese dubs of things like Spongebob or Adventure time are called "anime".
The reality is the East vs West media rivalry is literally something that only exists in the heads of American Weebs because the stigma around animation in the West being for kids left them with a complex where they felt the need to justify why watching anime wasn't childish instead of simply using Japan's attitude towards animation as proof that the West had been underutilizing the medium within the mainstream

>>149034031
>bmw badge becomes a blue maltese cross
Based

>>149032951
Theft is the Japanese way.

>>149032951
>"Western cartoons are-"
>look inside
>Just Californian ones

>>149034647
Owning concepts is fake and gay, execution is king.

>>149034662
Euro output is tiny and mostly untranslated. If you want to change that start subbing.

>>149033569
>now

Western "omages" to anime suck because it's just a way for writers to signal they're "in" on it. It's not an omage because they actually like anime or wanted ideas from it but because they sort of like anime culture. A Dorkly parody of Pokemon is more sincerely Japanese influenced than what these Californians are churning out.

>>149034870
Boomers only know Speedracer and Voltron.

>>149034619
Yeah but the boomers and industry vets kinda set the standard I'm talking about which lead to the weebs being so fucking insecure.
We've all seen it, that newspaper clip of boomers getting mad at TMNT for not being like Dennis the Menace or the Flintstones.
No one likes to talk about it but pretty much all of old Hollywood was like this. When movies were getting darker in the 1960s and 1970s, they all got extremely fucking butthurt whenever something changed what they saw as the "gold standard" of a given genre including the entire medium of animation and animation was kinda the one fight they really won.

>>149034963
It was also part of marketing. Anime distributors had to carve a niche distinct from cartoons and they chose “this ain’t your daddy’s cartoon”

>>149033856
>whenever they make something with western character, they often put so much efford into getting the characters and tone right, it ends up being better than the source material.
name 5 examples.

>>149033338
Family guy has a lot of those for a minute. The Dragon's Lair parody is just straight from the game. Even the physical comedy aspect.

uwaa mr gaijins let us do neat tributes to your style, we promise we won't claim it as our own and use it as brand recognition!

>>149035882
That image doesn't even make sense.
What's the connection to Bambi?

>>149033190
>Actual anime fans don’t spend their time discussing those two.
Yes they do.

>>149036129
birchy, you are pretending to be retarded to have an excuse to post japanese cartoon toddlers. or maybe not even pretending.
"anime style" is based on Disney's Bambi from 1942 and russian Snow Queen movie from 1957. that's the connection. neither of those are anime, yet if someone made the same style today, they would be accused of copying anime despite anime copying those western styles.

>>149036129
>That image doesn't even make sense.
Neither does your birth.

>>149033866
I watched Son of the White mare and it's quite literally nothing like Dragon ball. SotWM is a classic fairytale played completely straight, just with Jankovic's abstract and wonderful animation style. Dragon Ball started as a parody of Journey to the west that became more action focused to appeal to the growing boy audience. Both are excellent and are nothing alike. Kill yourself.

>>149034274
holy truth nuke

>>149037201
>SotWM is a classic fairytale played completely straight, just with Jankovic's abstract and wonderful animation style.
holy fuck, and you are the one trying to lecture others? sure, a movie with a gun dragon and a dystopian cityscape dragon is a "fairytale played completely straight", not to mention all the changes to the characters from the original tale, like the main character himself being a combination of two separate from the original tale, or the parallels between generations of characters to symbolize the cyclic nature of history, or the tons of constellation and planet symbolism, or the theme of evolution and change of religion, or the theme of advancement putting culture into the background. none of which is in the original tale.
the movie's repeating theme is a superpowered guy with shining yellow hair having epic fights against superpowered entities like his brothers, death itself (the "goblin") and invaders. sounds familiar? the shining yellow hair was neither in the original white mare folk tale OR the original Sun Wukong tale. but sure, japanese can't take inspiration from western media, only the other way, right?

>>149034274
That rings true. I am somewhat sympathetic towards Shen, but I feel like he is playing with fire by indulging in this kind of thing.
Fame can be a terrible thing for artist and other types of content creators.

>>149036770
You're still wrong retard because this came out in 1929 predating Bambi and the Snow Queen.
Like dude it's a simple google search and even someone as autistic as me can find it.
https://youtu.be/ShzmzcJM7QI
Nice try though.

>>149039395
Wow so they've been creative since the 20s?
Ugu!

>>149039406
Oh yeah dude I got a bunch of ones.
You'd think Anon would go beyond the 40s for his arguments.
Go ahead and find me an american cartoon from the 30s that looks as crazy as this.
https://youtu.be/oMByiGL7bLI

Thinly vieled east vs west thread

>>149039395
cool, because that looks nothing like modern japanese cartoon style, so not sure what your point is. no exaggerated eyes, no two-tone shading.
realistic humans like those were done sooner by westerners too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKPd8wpVtBs
this short is also the first instance of a giant beast attacking a city, which your country later stole as you might know.

>>149039457
>Go ahead and find me an american cartoon from the 30s that looks as crazy as this.
ok, here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Xc4g00FFLk

>>149039917
You're really pulling strings at this point anon.
But that's expected as someone who took 48 minutes to make a reply, I could hear you seething searching for these examples.
I'll tell you what there is a Japanese film from the 1910s that had realism in it predating even Fleischer.
If you find it I'll admit you're right.
Good hunting Anon!
It's a lost cartoon too that I only saw once on Nicovideo.