No one has been able to post worse pages than these.

I win

Ice Cream Man #42

>>149049464
Not so fast. While it is a very gay page, it actually made me chuckle. Can't say the same for the two in the OP.

>>149049275 (OP)
this takes up 2 pages!

waiting for the jean gray psychic rainbow washing iceman page

>>149049542
That's fine.

>>149049692
Since I know better than to care about big two characters, it doesn't phase me.

>>149049275 (OP)
okay

>>149049464
No, that page is fine. You're just a semi-literate caveman, so I can see why it upset you. In fact, Mr Prince just got a new subscriber. Thanks for the tip, Jim-Bob.

>>149049542
>this takes up 2 pages!

>>149052007
It's a terrible page.

>>149049275 (OP)
There’s nothing fundamentally wrong with the King page. It isn’t even repeating static panels because each one changes postures and there’s clear progression of movement.

>>149049275 (OP)
Hard to say which one is worse

>>149052234
>I'm a terrible person
ftfy

>>149052256
After the first panel the only thing that changes are Bat/Cat. It's not bad, but I am willing to go so far as to say it is a bit lazy. However, I've never had the talent or deadlines these artists have, so I really can't talk too much shit.

>>149052256
nothing wrong with the art. but "Batbucket" is Nostalgia Critic tier humor

>>149052256
>>149052356
>>149052399
Awful taste. The art is shit. It's a repeating, zoomed-out panel with tiny, but still obviously traced human figures performing shitty choreography to accompany a godawful attempt at a joke.
>I've never had the talent or deadlines these artists have, so I really can't talk too much shit.
This is such a pussy-ass mentality. You're meant to pay money and time for this shit. Why the fuck would you make excuses for them delivering subpar work, especially when you can see other artists do much better with the same conditions? What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>149052550
>Why the fuck would you make excuses for them delivering subpar work
Because I've been reading comics since the 80's, and the art today is leagues beyond what I suffered through. You're nitpicking a SINGLE page. How's the rest of the book? These guys churn out hundreds of pages per year under pretty harsh deadlines. They're going to have one or two stinkers. Janin's Grayson was great. Here's another example of his art.

>>149052314
>>149052007

>>149052676
>NO U
sad

>>149052260
The Batman one is worse because it's harder to read and has a lot of words. At least the Marvel one takes half a second to read.

>>149052688
Yes, your situation is sad. One day you'll stop projecting and start being a good person, but today is not the day.

>>149049464
>women with 7 month bellies still trying to abort
Truly horrifying

>>149052713
>The desire to control women's bodies makes my pp hard.
And you'll never touch one that isn't drugged, paid, or gave birth to you.

>>149052745
In some cases the fetus is no longer viable and if you can't remove it, it kills the mother. It's really not hard to educate yourselves on this.

>149052762
So the page is displaying all 3 that would occur in a year?

>>149052713
Shut the fuck up, Moral Orel.

>>149052762
Thanks for proving that when I said "One day you'll stop projecting and start being a good person, but today is not the day" it was 100% true.

All you are is a whore and a murderer.

>>149052014
It's a bad joke

>>149052795
no

>>149052780
>all 3
It's giving two scenarios. One of a teen pregnancy and one that could kill the mother. Where are you getting a third example from?

>>149052806
>>149052816
Moral Orel confirmed.

>>149052823
>The abortionist is stupid and has no reading comprehension.

>>149052807
>>149052014
It's family guy, my guy. What did you expect?

>>149052834
ok

>>149052845
>you're stupid
What are you? Five? You know there's an age limit for this site, right? Fucking religious autism ass post. Are your parents hoarders?

>>149052865
stop projecting,nigga.

>>149049275 (OP)
>>149049692
Here.

>>149052845
No, it was a genuine question.

Panel 1 describes the situation.

Panel 2 shows a crying blond woman, who we can infer is a "kid".

Panel 3 random fetus

Panel 4 A couple looking worried, who we can infer is a mother with her life being put into question

Panel 5 A seemingly shuttered Planned Parenthoood.

Panel 6 Possibly the kid girl from before with a Junji Ito kinda look behind the couple from panel 4

Panel 7 Creepy blond person from panel 6

What's left?

>>149052888
>More NO U shit...

>>149052909
>reddit spacing
Stupid, he was saying that the example you gave didn't happen on that page. It's obvious, how can you not understand a simple post.
>women with 7 month bellies still trying to abort
>Truly horrifying
>In some cases the fetus is no longer viable and if you can't remove it, it kills the mother. It's really not hard to educate yourselves on this.
>So the page is displaying all 3 that would occur in a year?
>all 3
>IIt's giving two scenarios. One of a teen pregnancy and one that could kill the mother. Where are you getting a third example from?

>>149052963
>hurr durr I think paragraph spacing means this person came from leddit
No, motherfucker. It means I have a college education and have written more research papers than you'll ever read. (enter)
(enter)
(new paragraph) Anyway...
>So the page is displaying all 3 that would occur in a year?
>So the page is displaying all 3
>So the page is
>the page
>page

>>149053065
>No, motherfucker.
Yes, thanks for confirming that you are a Redditor.
Also, you went to college and you don't understand "So the page is displaying all 3 that would occur in a year?" You're irreparable, you couldn't be more stupid.

>>149053120

>>149053209
>no counterargument
>still projecting
I accept your concession

>>149053262
newfag-level bait

>>149052892
/thread
Seriously, every time I see it I realize it's worse than I remembered.

>>149053270
It's pathetic to call a post bait when you've already lost the argument.

>>149053262
>>149053316
>4chan filenames from the last five years.
Go back to twitter, newfag. Or at least lurk more so you can realize that not changing the file names of your images dates your arrival time and proves you're a newfag. Fucking political tourist.

>>149049275 (OP)
They're bad, but nowhere near the worst of all time.

>>149053316
the only thing pathetic is your small white penis

>>149053329
>>149053360
lmao, redditors are angry.

>>149053120
>Also, you went to college and you don't understand "Have you really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?" You're irreparable, you couldn't be more stupid.

>>149053383
>lmao

>>14953406
lol, you're really mad. It's not my fault you don't understand a simple post.
Even I explain to you what the other anon said and you dare to argue with me.

>>149049464
I wonder where they got the fetus picture from, and whether they had permission, and if it was aborted or not.

>>149053422
>gets post linking wrong again
Goddamn, man. How do you not know how to simply click on a post number to paste it to your reply box? Are you not using an extension? Are you copying post numbers manually? You're making all the worst newfag mistakes, newfag.

Fucking lurk more. It's never enough.

>>149053411
>Wojak
lmao, this redditor is seething

>>149053439
Are you retarded or are you pretending to be?

>>149053468
>>149053478
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDDITOR
You sure are a tryhard. Glad you finally figured out post linking. Now, back to your containment board, boomer. >>>/pol/ is that way.

>>149053541
says the idiot who tries to pass himself off as an oldfag and fails miserably.
Also, you're the one who turned this thread into a political one, trying to defend a comic book page that is objectively bad.

>>149053585

>>149053585
>a comic book page that is objectively bad
defend your position WITHOUT making it political.

>>149049275 (OP)
>No one has been able to post worse pages than these
Two words, faggot. America fucking Chavez. And no, I'm not going to post it.

>>149049275 (OP)
Left one is a pure onions reddit

>>149053622
The art is awful and the writing is so over the top it comes across as comical rather than serious.
>>149053598
>still projecting
lmao

>>149053631
There are a million examples of this character, I don't know which page you're referring to.

>>149049464
True.

>>149052007
>>149052314
He's not the one advocating for murder Anon. Child murder, at that. Shame.

>>149053685
Except it's fine for what it is: a schlocky horror rag from a second-tier indie printer. OP's examples are from flagship titles with their respective big-two publishers. Yeah, we can come here and shit on indie books all day. TONS of shitty writing and art all over the place. I can certainly pull a few from my personal collection. I have a strong feeling, however, that the reason THAT page was posted as an example had far less to do with the quality of the art, and a lot more to do with what was being said in the text boxes.
You're just mad I don't share in your weird, conservative opinion and are upset I dare say anything to the contrary inside your little echo chamber here. The one you only arrived at because you followed Qonspiracy shit here and decided you enjoy the bnwo and cuck porn too much, so you stayed.
>>149053736
Of course I am. The world would have been a better place if it had been easier for your mom to access abortive healthcare.

>>149052636
In the 80s Ivy's tits would be bigger and she wouldn't be covered with that brown shit
A clear case of instruments getting better ad artists and culture shaping them getting worse

>>149052636
I just can't give them any leeway. Steve Ditko and others churned out 20-22 9 panel pages monthly, often on more than one title at a time and they did it traditionally. No copy/paste, no magic wand or lasso tool, often without even a reference just sitting down and drawing. These guys have all these fancy gadgets and tools, can search up any kind of photo they want, and they do WORSE with LESS panels? No excuse.

>>149052762
I'm married btw

>>149053693
>I don't know which page you're referring to
Yes you do, faggot.

>>149053767
You can make access as easy as you want, it doesn't change people's morality. I always find it hilarious that you claim all these people are 100% going to die when abortion was not a thing that was done for almost the entirety of human history and everyone was literally fine.

>>149053767
>Except it's fine for what it is: a schlocky horror rag from a second-tier indie printer.
>Don't you see, it's supposed to be bad and since it's indie, it's okay for it to be shit.
Okay, so it's objectively bad.
>You're just mad I don't share in your weird, conservative opinion and are upset I dare say anything to the contrary inside your little echo chamber here.
You can't defend this stupid garbage without being political.
>The one you only arrived at because you followed Qonspiracy shit here and decided you enjoy the bnwo and cuck porn too much, so you stayed.
and you can't stop projecting.
I won this argument, stupid redditor.
>Of course I am
Yes, you are human garbage
>The world would have been a better place if it had been easier for your mom to access abortive healthcare.
Not all women are murderous whores who hate their children. Besides, you're cancer, and the world will be better off when you die.

>>149053854
>was not a thing that was done for almost the entirety of human history
Incorrect. Romans practiced abortion and often used an abortifacient herb called Silphium. Your knowledge of history is selective at best.
>>149053895
gr8 b8 m8 I r8 8/8

>>149053836
Pillows can't legally marry humans.

>>149053923
Roman women also had no rights and were property.
Also, I already won this argument, Redditor

>>149053930
>still projecting

>>149049275 (OP)
You mean "Greater"?

>>149053828
>boobs small = bad art
Your brevity amazes me, anon.
>>149053831
They didn't get the same level of realism or background detail we have today. Hell, half the time we never got backgrounds that were more than just building outlines over a single color. Yes, all those lasso tools and quick tricks we can do with a computer nowadays contribute to giving us better, more vivid art. Also, not every artist is tracing porn. That's just a few dudes. The rest use references, but that's just how art works. Comparing Ditko to today's artists is comparing apples to oranges.

>>149053947
>>149053942
Why are you so obsessed with me?

>>149053959
Did you run out of tricks or what? We're just talking. Never mind, I'm leaving now that I've completely humiliated you and won this argument, baby killer.

>>149053942
>>149053947
Honestly, the only thing that truly kinda annoys me about you is your shitty trolling method. Like, I get it. Stick to one thing and repeat it to death until the other person gets mad, but you're being so BORING and obvious with it.

>>149053975
>now that I've completely humiliated you and won this argument
See. I don't even know if you're genuinely gloating or just doing it for effect. That's not good. You want to seem like you're fully in control, and declaring victory is just fucking amateur hour. That might be the most disappointing thing of all. Trolls here used to be good at it. Subtle. It was a art. You newfag conservative political tourists fucked it all up, and now all we get is NO U and HAHA I WIN U LOOSE. Pathetic.

You need to read more comics if you think what you posted is the bottom of the barrel

>>149054040
At least it doesn't have shitty dialogue.

I don't have the whole page, but this is pure garbage.

>>149054040
This is just in the style of American figurative expressionist paintings. It’s actually very good.

>>149054141
no

>>149052698
Left one is painful, but right one is both painful and wordy

>Unsolicited opinions about Israel

>>149054820
My, how the left has changed

>>149049275 (OP)
A classic.

>>149052762
>In some cases the fetus is no longer viable and if you can't remove it, it kills the mother.
That's not an abortion then, death cultist.

>>149049275 (OP)

>>149052892
someone post the edit

>>149049464
I blame you guys as much as libtards for this stuff, I know you spent the last decade intentionally misinterpreting every remotely subtle version of something like this.

>>149054877
neither the left nor right are monoliths, upgrade your thinking

>>149049464
>most don't even include exceptions for things like rape
that's a valid concern.

>incest
that's... arguable. allowing abortions in case of incest would imply that consensual incestuous sex is okay, it's just making babies that is not. no, you want to fuck your sister, be prepared to go the extra mile and live with the retard.

>teenage pregnancy
nothing wrong about that. have the kids marry and the young father get whatever job he can to support his new family. I've seen that happen in real life too, a guy knocked up his girlfriend in high school, and his parents sold all his vidya games and computer, banned him from online access, and got him a part-time job.

Funny thing is, that kid probably ended up having a far happier life as an adult. I wish I remembered his name so I could look up what happened to him, he would be in his late thirties by now.

>>149049464
This comic is fucking garbage.

Stopped at the Xmas issue where it was abortions are yay.

>>149052963
>calling paragraphs reddit spacing

That's the surefire way to show that you are an illiterate retard with no education. They are called paragraphs, and normal people use them when appropriate.

>>149053854
Spartans threw infants off a cliff if they were born deformed. That's close enough.

>>149049464
Baby killing is a religion for liberals.

If you want to short circuit them. Ask them if it's OK to abort a baby with the gay gene

>>149055327
>Baby killing is a religion for liberals.
And also for ancient aztecs.

>>149052963
Ok raj.

>>149049542
>No, no, it's ok, this is a "we name all 50" kind of show.

>>149055325
Spartans were a bunch of laissez faire aristocrats that used slave labour for menial work. Sounds like Liberals to me.

>>149052963
>reddit spacing

>>149055344
It's fucked up how much they fetishize abortions.

The worst part is that they aren't even consistent in it.

>I can't afford this healthy baby. Kill
>society can't afford yet another profoundly disable child that a single black crack mom of 5 popped out. Noooo we must save it!
>white first worlders need to have less baby. Abortions for all
>noooooo we need to import every abduhal, Jose and Muhammad abd their entire 30+ kin!

>>149053831
People from that era also got to have empty backgrounds/lines only in half the panels.

>>149049275 (OP)
I Hate Fairyland Volume 2 issue #7 final page.
It's so insulting I am not bothering to upload it.

>>149055315
>calling sentence fragments paragraphs
Back to plebbit with you

>>149055443
>People from that era also got to have empty backgrounds/lines only in half the panels.

And yet they still fill up the entire panel with action. Today you have dedicated background artists working to help out the primary foreground artist and they still work so slowly that Marvel keeps Greg Land on payroll because HE WORKS FAST.

>>149055655
>muh precious character count. Those spaces are using up one count of my allocated 144 characters

Go
Back

To


Twitter

>>149049275 (OP)
These are funny though? Especially the second one
>Batbucket
Kek

>>149055209

>>149055755

This may not be a whole page, but any page with this on it is a contender for the worst page in a western comic book ever.

>>149055209
is this loeb?

>>149054063
Was this Covid? DC Earth should have no problem with Covid. They cure cosmic death viruses every week. The only reason people still get cancer is because Lex Luthor already cured it but patented it as a giga-dick move. All part of a plot to kill Superman of course. Someone remembered he did this in relatively recent years and had him cure his sisters cancer then re-infect her with it afterwards. Oh Lex.

>>149055237

>le both sides are bad

Faggot

>>149052007

>I’m wasting my money on dogshit!!!! Haha, take THAT, chud!!!!!

>>149049464
/thread
I kneel

>>149055851
Amazed it took this long.

>>149052636
Janin's fucking terrible.

>>149049464
I'm not mad at the content itself. I'm mad that a comic is being used to push a political agenda.

>>149052892
>Young man gets buck broken by psycho bitch
It's really a sad page if you think about it and prime reason I hate psychic muties most of all

>>149055851
This looks like something Chris-chan would write

>>149056041
Art being used to espouse the views of the creators? Heaven forbid!

>>149056098
>comic is about some eldritch horror being
>how the world is going crazy sir to it
>horrors and horrors
>take not just on but severals times to plug parenthood and how killing your baby is tots cool

>>149055344
And that's how baby oil is made
*carlos.jpg*

>>149056377
P. Diddy, nooooooooooooo!!!!!

>>149056063
You should hate shitdick writers instead of fictional characters.

>>149055401
Can't speak for others who I assume have their own reasons on it, but as someone who grew up on a farm something you have to get comfortable with the split between quantity of life and quality of life.

Saving or extending a life just because you are too afraid to end it isn't mercy, its cowardice. Every animal reaches a point where the bad days are going to outweigh whatever good is in them, where you can keep them alive but only in pain and at that point who are you helping? Thats when you put the creature down. You don't have to life it, but you still need to do it.

The flip side of this is that when a new life is going to be brought into the world, when you have the decision making power you need to consider the ramifications and the life you can give that kid. If you think you can do right by the kid, or are willing to try? Have the kid. If you *don't* have any intention of doing right by the kid, don't want them, can't support them? Who are you helping for forcing this child into a family situation where they are set up to fail? Quality of life is going to be a negative for both the mother and the child.
You can't be the one to make this decision for the parents of the kid in either direction, either forcing it on them or denying them the option, because any time they feel you got it wrong they will hate you forever and probably rightly so. But pretending that there is no valid option here for choosing less suffering over more is just cowardice masquerading as righteousness. You can't make the tough choices so you make sure no one else can either.

>>149055991
I have the money to waste. Don’t be such an angry poor person.

>>149056041
Thank you for being honest.

>>149056284
What a disjointed mess.

>>149049464
I see no issue... I dunno what pathetic reasons anon has this time, but this will never be his problem since he'll never fuck and potentially procreate.

Unless he fucks his mom, which he probably does.

>>149052892
Equal to the Bendis page maybe, but not worse.
>>149054040
I've read tons of these Fantagraphics comics and most of them are pretty bad like this.
The one that comes to mind is Dog Biscuits. That potential has pages that beat the two in the OP.
>>149054063
>>149055851
Post a whole page and I'll consider it.
>>149056000
No, I decide that. I already said it's bad, but not worse.

Who has the original of this edit? I think she was with Iron Man.

>>149049275 (OP)

>>149049275 (OP)
The only time I got dogpiled on Shitter was when I posted an edit of the left page. Helped me realize just how braindead and unartistic capeshitters are

>>149049275 (OP)
the one on the right is a bit funny tho

>>149049275 (OP)
That's nice and all but how about multiplying the number of words one hundred times over?

>>149059458
Even this thread has people defending the King page.

>>149059591
>you need someone who's going to do that which most of us won't
Goodness what a shit level of morality. Earth's finest.

>>149059780
well, it IS carol, anon

>>149057690
This point is entirely too nuanced for the “wimmin is hoors” crowd to even possibly contemplate.

I’d argue you shouldn’t compare humans to farm animals, but you got the right idea. The concept that birtherism is necessary for our species to survive is a remnant from before modern medicine and the declining of generation-ending wars between nations. We did need tons and tons of babies, because only one in four of them would survive the plagues or the tribal territory fights. Infections killed billions before antibiotics arrived. Since we have severely elongated the human lifespan and removed tons of lethal things from our paths, we don’t need to keep having this many babies.


These dorks will say shit like “white genocide” and “chyna chyna chyna!” like it means something, but it doesn’t. They’re all just obsessed with a thing humanity hasn’t needed for over 150 years. It’s a new idea, and the men in charge are mad they can’t force their bloodlines upon us any more. Elon thinks himself another Genghis Khan, but he’s just a joke. So are the anti-abortionists smearing their shit across this nation.

>>149049275 (OP)
Hot off the presses.

>>149049275 (OP)

>>149052636
Picture better be unrelated you blind fuck

>>149059857
Explain what's bad about this.

>>149059930
>Refugees are welcome.

>>149059996
That's what it says, yes. Explain what's bad about it.

>>149060009
Because it's a common Twitter/Reddit leftist phrase word for word. Glad I could help out.

>>149055104
>Not the edit

>>149060035
You don't even know why you think what you think, do you?

>>149060046
>instigating political discussion
Nah, fuck you. Post bad comic pages.

>>149059857
Anon has to seriously seperate comic context from real life before going full retard.

>>149060009
The explanation is right there. Use your brain, for once.

>>149060065
All I've done is ask someone to back up their opinion, which they clearly can't do.

>>149059930
>>149059996
>>149060009
>>149060035
>>149060046
Its like grown ups discussing with a fucking child.

>>149060093
There are no grown ups here. Not me, not you, not any of the faggots you replied to.
Just manchildren.

>>149055443
>>149053951
Kirby was autistic, the pages coalesced almost 95% complete in his minds eye, and he drew them as he saw them, left to right, top to bottom like some human/dot matrix printer hybrid.

>>149060088
The explanation is: Fictional comic character Green Lantern seeems to welcome a bunch of refugees from outer space (?) for whatever reason that's not given to us.
He uses the phrase "Refugees are welcome" which is probably a reference to the real life phrase "Refugees welcome", which has, in fact, not much to do with fictional character Green Lantern telling us that refugees from space are indeed welcome.

The real life equivalent was created when a midlife crisis piece of shit decided to attack Syria and Ukraine (twice) and other countries took their refugees. Meanwhile, unfucked retards who should be hanged from lanterns 1945 style are sucking said piece of shit's cock instead of blaming him for causing refugees in the first place. Also anon is mad because they do his job better and cheaper. Well, and if anon isn't a European he can fuck right off because his fat ass sits in America and the refugees aren't getting there.

Thank you, thank you. My shows are every Wednesday at 11 PM.

>>149060133
Oh compared to you faggot we're golden.

>>149056041
>NIXON'S BACK

>>149060240
>>149056041
The pic and dialogue are kinda funny.
It's Ultrawar! Look, even Captain Titus is serious about it!

>>149052762
That's like less than 1% of all abortions and exceptions for the health of the mother have been a thing in almost all states where abortion is more strict.

>>149055681
>HE WORKS FAST
HE COPY/PASTES/STEALS FROM OTHER ARTISTS FAST!
>ftfy

>>149060224
Compared to me, you're a fecal dust mote.

>>149049275 (OP)
> 169 posts
> 39 images
MODS can we start banning TDS Orange Man Bad libs when they start sperging out and derailing threads with their shitty politics? This is becoming a regular occurrence.and is off topic.

>>149060601
Always ignore /pol/ and /leftypol/ posts.

>>149060601
>posting pages that are only "bad" because they imply a specific political position isn't derailing threads with politics

>>149060091
> What is the tragedy of the commons?

>>149053433
They fucking drew it.

>>149055301
>don't even include exceptions for things like rape
Why should they? If the state has state-funded foster care programs the mother can just give the child up for adoption. You shouldn't punish a child for the sins of the father.

The only rational reason to allow exceptions for abortion are situations in which carrying the pregnancy to term would incur severe health risks for the mother. I do not believe it is immoral to prioritize the life of the mother over the life of a child.

>>149055301
None of those are valid concerns. Either abortion is murder or it's not, you don't murder people based on who the father is.

>>149060629
Incorrect. It could be seen as bad because it's Anvilicious Author Filibuster and preachy.

>>149055301
Also the things they're complaining about only account for less than 1% of a portions. The other 99.9% are just a form of birth control. Since the start of the 21st century women have killed more people through abortion than every recorded death from every single war in recorded human history combined.

>>149055344
It's truly a tragedy this culture was replaced by a Spanish influenced one.
>>149057690
So the Non-White lives are just inherently better than the White ones, is what you're saying?

>>149060681
See, those are actual reasons.

>>149060514
Dude you're a /pol/fag you already lost. The guy responsible for the refugees is the guy whose dick you want to suck.

>>149053895
unc when he made this post
https://youtu.be/oFIODjvzOFY

>>149060928
Wrong on all counts.

>a single comic page made half of the anons in a thread want to kill themselves

Based. I wish I was a comic artist.

>>149059638
>the King page
Tom King? The CIA asset?

>>149059895
This is based though

>>149060958
That's not what happened.

>>149060961
Yeah

>>149060626
Its hard to do that when they shit up the board.

This came out today and I bet it's got some godawful pages and panels

>Laneka, Deidre and Karen, three HBCU besties turned professional career women, enraged by the systemic injustice plaguing their community, band together to form a vigilante squad that targets White Supremacists deemed to have circumvented the justice system and gotten away with protected murder. Serving up grisly justice in increasingly creative ways, the vigilante posse becomes front-page news while always staying one step ahead of the law. It’s liberating, it’s addictive and it’s kinda fun – until a copycat killer emerges. They Choose Violence asks what happens when you go down the dark, unforgiving road of revenge? What happens when the only path forward is escalation? There’s no turning back now – for anyone.

It's about a team of girlbosses who murder White men on behalf of groids. I'm not gonna read it but you can bet it's bad.

>>149060009
Nothing. How many refugees can I sign you up to host at your own expense, in your own home?

Refugees are welcome, and you agree, so how many can you take?

>>149055104
I forgot how dumb this garbage was. So glad this shit got a show

>>149059223
Ok. This is alternate universe right?

Embarassed once again to be fan of comics

>>149055301
>>teenage pregnancy
some kids can get pregnant too young to safely deliver.

Like the comic said, there are also a lot of states that dont have proper exceptions for health of the mother or viability of the baby.

>>149052636
>>149062985
So beyond the fart shit. Whats the point of keeping these two? Are they even villains any more? Harley isn't Deadpool. She's Pinkie Pie. And Ivy has become... what? A 40 year old version of Raven from Teen Titans?

>>149055344
Ironically this page is tamer than the real ritual. Aztecs tortured children to death and collected their tears as a sacrifice for their rain god Tlaloc. There was a lot of Aztec whitewashing back in the day about how portugueze exaggerated everything, that was until the archeologists found a massive child grave of sacrificed children in the Aztec capital city.

>>149062542
What are you waiting for? Post some pages for us

>>149063319
>I'm not going to read it

>>149052823
>Where are you getting a third example from?
dumb fucking nigger all 3 examples of a non-viable fetus
you talk like this is shit that happens all the fucking time but you'd be lucky to find even 1 in 1000 abortions that have anything to do with the mother's health or baby's viability

>>149055851
>"they are gay"
>"wow!"
that's all the writer needed to write

>>149056098
it's the artless way he goes about it that sucks

>>149054063
You now reminded me of that page of were Wonder Woman is holding up a canister of Super Jizz. That was a pretty bad page as well.

>>149063898
>Those faces
Good God that's ugly.
Reminds me of oblivion.

>>149060681
What the fuck kind of autistic-neologism salad did I just read?

>>149064183
You're gonna catch shit for that.

>>149058599
Why are troons always thinking about incest?

Christ... the amount of chud self-glazing in this thread is fucking ridiculous. Half the comic pages proposed as "bad" are only bad because "woke". You fucking poor rednecks aren't actually buying any of these, so why the fuck should we give one shit about your insanely programmed-in "opinions" on any of this?

>uPbOrShUn IyUz bAyUd
Fucking die already. You are an evolutionary cul-de-sac, who relies on forced breeding to keep your dying portion of the species from going extinct. Do us a favor and go walk into the ocean.

>>149064956
Chud website.

>>149065163
Wasn't always like this. Everywhere outside /b/ used to have some semblance of honest discourse. Emphasis on "some". There's none now. It's all just mood posting by emotionally-stunted rightoid fundies. Any advanced philosophy that frightens them and they come screaming out of /pol/ with new dialog options, like "reddit spacing". I have no idea why I came back here. Maybe I was hoping the OG alphabet boards would still have a few old guard embedded there, but all I found were these sad, fundamentalist christains complaining about progressive shit in COMIC BOOKS of all places...

>>149065203

>>149062816
Didn't say anything about agreeing, I said explain what's bad about it. Turns out nothing?

>>149065233
You can try to replicate old 4chan all you want, but it's still just a sad corpse of what it was.

>>149065203
Your fault.

>>149054040
>>149054141
Some of these can be good. Note that I said SOME.

>>149062936
Yeah, original Ultimate universe where he goes insane and becomes The Maker.

>>149063346
how do you know its bad if you didn't read it.
you are judging the book by its cover.

>>149064956
>Half the comic pages proposed as "bad" are only bad because "woke".
Yes! Check out the big brain on this guy!

>>149066060
That's why books have covers.
First impressions are important

bump

I'm gonna make a hot take here
"flex" pages are some of the worst pages
That is to say, pages where the artist is flexing their artisty, being creative with the panelling, specifically to the extent that the reader is forced to notice it.

This page is immersion breaking, and that is its flaw.
You can't look at this page and be absorbed into the sequence of events, you are forced to bask in awe at the artistry of the artist, you are reminded that you are looking at drawing on a page and not characters in a scene.

The readability of the page has been forced to take a back seat by the ego of the artist

>>149066946
There's not much that can be done with this page since it was designed from the start to have that silly panelling, but I have done my best to "normalise" it.
This is easier to read. It may not be an artistic masterpiece, but it is readable, your immersion is not broken, you can enjoy the story, and that is what is most important.

>>149066954
This page is also shit.
The reader cannot be immersed in the action of Batman swooping down on the person, they are taken aback, forced to notice that Batman has BATMAN written over his body, it's not longer a person, it's just graphic design, it's not a story, there's no living world, there is just a piece of art.

The art in comics exists to faciliate the story

>>149066972
This kind of panelling on the left is bad.
The artist probably thought he was quite clever by drawing the character multiple times in the same image going down the stairs, with lines connecting them together. But it is not clever, it is egotistical, masturbatory. The reader is forced to acknowledge it, it's distracting.

Any decision made in the creation of a comic that breaks immersion is a bad decision.

>>149066994
Another one of the same kind, where the panelling has become merged with the story

>>149067007
That last page also commits another sin
The 3x3 grid of 9

I'm sure in the beginning this was just a low effort approach to panelling, but at some point it became a thought provoking, artistic panelling composition.
It's the panelling equivelant of a Kubrick shot.

Whenever the gutter of one panel lines up with the gutter of another panel, it creates a noticeable tangent, a bold white line going through the page. It draws attention to the panelling and thus away from the story.
And the 9 grid is perhaps the mathematically highest number of tangents possible, thereby drawing the most attention to it.

>>149067081
One more type of "flex" pages that I'll mention are "interior cover pages"
That is to say, interior pages drawn with the sensibilities of a cover.
They are usually splash pages, and there's nothing wrong with splash pages, but there is something wrong with cover pages.

Cover pages are not real pages, they are not a snapshot of a real moment in time in the story of the comic. They are a studio photoshoot, staged, fake, abstracted from reality.

These types of pages are distracting. Because they don't exist in any kind of real passage of time, it is impossible to imagine them moving at all, they are frozen. And when you read them, you do not see a climactic moment in the story, you see a cover, you are reminded that you are reading a comic, and the story is lost.

>>149067167
The most important page in the same comic as above is again a pretentious "clever" page, where the artist was not content to know his place but wanted to stand center stage and show off his artistic might. And as a result, the comic is weakened.

This is much like a music band, where everyone has their proper place and must coordinate together to produce a good sound. If one part is too loud, it disrupts the harmony and the sound is ruined, if everyone is too loud, it's just noise. Sometimes the best performance is one that is there but not noticed. And panelling is just that. It must be there, it must be good, but it must not be noticed.

Nigga they're comic books. They're visual mediums. Not a single page posted was that bad. If you want to get invested in the story watch a movie or read the novella

>>149066060
The cover itself is not so bad. It's the description of the story that's awful.

>>149067307
Yeah they all look fine to me too

>>149067205

>It's bad when this visual medium is visually interesting/stimulating/cool

Retard

>>149066946
>>149066954
>>149066972
>>149066994
>>149067007
>>149067081
>>149067167
>>149067205
guy who saw the dolly zoom in Vertigo and lamented that cinema was dead

>>149066946
Retard.

fast

>>149066946
>>149066954
>>149066972
>>149066994
>>149067007
>>149067081
>>149067167
>>149067205
We get it, you hate any manner of artistic expression lest it get in the way of your capeshit punch- up. Yet more proof capeshitters are braindead beyond belief

>>149055104
You dipshit, Bendis was taking the piss out of Riri in that scene.

>>149068358
I don't blame people for not realizing that. It came out in the same era where Mockingbird says all the female heroes she grew up once admiring were garbage cum receptacles not worth mentioning and she was going to be better.

>>149049464
Really gives me The Ick.

>>149053360
Lol, so your just going to admit to being a turd worlder as well?

>>149059930
Because 99% of "refugees" aren't even real refugees

>>149060514
Holy Redditard Batman!

>Always ignore /pol/ and /leftypol/ posts.

>>149059895
If only things really were like this.

>>149068575
i never understood this comic. annoying people are annoying. doesn't matter what side of the aisle they're on.

>>149068192
Panels are the window into the world of the comic, and like windows, they are best when they are invisible.
We want to see what's visible through the windows, not the windows themselves.

>>149060009
The only reason refugees are a problem is because western countries take the low IQ shitskins en masse and refuse to integrate them into civilized society. Nobody would complain if we took the top scientists and thinkers from those countries but the west never does that anymore.

>>149068837
>>149068546
Neither of these posts explain why this specific page of this specific comic is bad.

>>149049464
I can't believe it's this easy for normies to just accidentally procreate. Maybe our birthrates are safe after all.

>>149068575
It's funny. In this thread, I've been accused of being both /pol/ and an SJW.

Grant Morrison for people who were dropped on the head as a child

>>149068358
Awful.

>>149060732
No, dipshit, he's saying that the decision to have a child or not have a child is one that only the parents get to make, both because they have more vested interest, and because they know more about their specific situation. Forcing people to not have children, or to have children when they don't want to, is only ever going to leave them and society as a whole worse off overall, and give tons of people a good reason to hate you for your tyrannical interference in their lives.

>>149054040
honestly these big 2 comics with traced art and backgrounds and poses lifted from Shutterstock are more soulless than impressionistic globohomo-looking art like this.

>>149069344
Agreed.

>>149068358
Man i hate Bendis. First Superboy and then this

>>149068358
It's clearly trying to be subversive, but it's juuuusstt slightly missing the mark and Riri doesn't come across as cute and likeable as Bendis wants her to be.

It's a cheesy edit, but having her sit back down and looking a little deflated while the teacher offers the Tony Stark line as a way to boost her instead of just blurting it out so she'll sit back down I think would be enough to fix it.

>>149055344
Normally I hate it when digital artwork just throws a giant paper/canvas texture over the finished product to give it some pizzazz, but it actually looks good here.

>>149052636
Janin is fucking awful

>>149068562
Go back.

>>149068682
Decent bait.

>>149070527
eh.... what's the issue? art style?

>>149070527
Is this some teenage tumblrina's fanfic?

>>149071643
That was the damned Squirrel Girl comic.

>>149070527
It happens.

>>149066946
I was kinda seeing your point with this, but this quickly turned into "this cool stuff is bad actually".

>>149055327
There is no gay gene you fucking moron.

>>149072052
Cool stuff is fine in moderation, but when every comic is trying to be artsy fartsy, there's nothing left to actually read.

>>149072543
so you think the 9 panel grid is bad, you think "artistic" paneling is bad, where's the middle ground for you

bland widescreen shit?

>>149072583
The optimal is a panel layout that has been decided upon based on the content of the panels, and is of a composition that is not jarring to look at.

pic related is a good example, no reader will ever notice the panelling in this because it is perfectly faciliates the reading experience and does not distract from the story.

>>149072737
Another, it doesn't impose, it doesn't distract, you don't even see the panelling, all you see is the story, as it should be.
The world is made to feel alive when the reader is allowed to be immersed in it.

>>149072758
Another, this is quite a daring panel composition, but it is done with the story in mind, and as such it facilitates the reading experience rather than detracting from it.

>>149072785
One last example of a good page
Across all of these examples, the size and shape of the panels have been considered according to the content of the comic.
The timing of the panel and its readability.

Notice how in this page, Supermans hand extends out of the page, as do a few other details. This has not been done to create some artistic masterpiece to be hung in a gallery, it has been done to make the comic more readable given the limited space on the page.
If Supermans hand were cropped by the panel border, it would not be quite as clear. If the side of his head on the panel to the left of it were cropped, his face would not be quite as clear, and so on.

>>149072874
And for good measure, one more example of an overly clever but ultimately hard to read page.

I'm not even sure if this page shows panels or just seperate rooms, whether the events are happening one after the other, or all at once.
The whole thing is tilted at an aggresive angle forcing the reader to tilt their head to read it.

Try to imagine this scene but depicted with a more conservative approach to panelling, how much more alive it would seem, how you would be able to immerse yourself in the action of this story, as opposed to this bizarre cross-sectional splash page

>>149072583
Actually one more thing.
You mention bland windscreen shit. And I do agree with you that pic related is a very bland panel composition. While it's not bad enough to totally distract from the reading experience, it is a bad panel composition.
It is bad specifically because it is regular and without any consideration for the content of the comic. I would simply describe it as lazy.

It's also very hard to read because the panels are cropped too short and wide, it feels very cramped.
Consider that most comics are to be read on an A4 or B5 page size, held from 20 inches away from the face. The size of the panel cannot be too small or it will be straining to read.
This kind of panelling is too small.

>>149049464
Reminder that Planned Parenthood was consulted for this scene from the TV show, "Girls", as a way to show how normal a abortion should be seen and everyone who has seen it was horrified by it and assumed the woman was the villain of this story.

https://youtu.be/NlnYeUF04dM?si=a0heOBNSRmMDCfkT

>>149073044
Pay attention again to >>149072874
In direct contrast with the too-small panels of the wide screen page, these panels are large and the drawings within them are made as large as possible, so much so that the artist has had to have them burst out of the page.

The artist was thinking about readability.
The figures in the top two panels are quite small, they are establishing shots, part of the focus in them, is on the environment.
The middle two panels also feature quite small fighres, these panels exist for expositional dumping and as such text fills much of the space (I will admit this is an antiquated thing to do, the modern approach would be not to have such expositional text walls at all)
But finally at the bottom 3 panels, the faces are large and zoomed in, we can see their expressions, the focus is on the characters.

>>149049275 (OP)

>>149062985
This isn't the worst. I've seen pages where Plasticman is her anti-fart suit...

>>149072785
>>149072874
These are more distracting than some of the ones you posted before.

>>149055186
But anti-abortion laws will prevent the use of abortificants or surgical abortion to remove the dead fetus. The only choice is to deliver it naturally. Psychological damage either way.

>>149056041
I remember reading this and I still regret it. There's books that are bad because the art is shit or the writer is legitimately bad or because of shit like that but legitimately I'd argue this is actually the most fucking wretchedly terrible run in comics, it's fucking agony to read through as in I without hyperbole felt actual physical pain and revulsion because it was that fucking bad.

I read it because a friend of mine both liked Green Lantern and liked Morrison at the time so I figured it'd give us something to talk about next time we met up, worst mistake of my fucking life. I wasn't even sleeping with her.

>>149055230

>>149055851
Remember /co/ got a letter in the letter pages.

>>149065203
>Everywhere outside /b/ used to have some semblance of honest discourse.
I've been here since the beginning, it was always pretty shit. I've been on sites and forums in the 90s and they were shit too.

That honest discourse you're talking about is a thin and fleeting moment between the same fights, arguments, attempts at humour and trolling. It is the same pattern of a few people trying, becoming burnt out and moving on. And the fact you don't understand that is why you can't enjoy anywhere online. You're literally too sensitive, I mean that sincerly. People online become either too desensitized or too sensitive, sometimes both. None of these political debates or discussions are any different to what I have seen before.

If you want honest discourse and get met with shit, you toughen up and don't keep doubling down and getting mirred in mud.

>>149073836
they all look like shitposts to me

>>149054040
>i don't like the art, therefore it's bad
how's that mental retardation going, buddy?

>>149073886
>That honest discourse you're talking about is a thin and fleeting moment between the same fights, arguments, attempts at humour and trolling.
Pretty much. I came here in 06 or 07 because of the Haruhi anime and seeing someone do an amazing writeup of it and how it played with conventional anime tropes. legitimately good posts are far and few between and people only remember those because of how they stand out and create a narrative in their mind about the old days.

>>149072737
>>149072758
>>149072874
Something these pages lack which pretty much all of the other pages you posted have is a sense of kinetic motion and energy.

>>149066946
I've seen plenty of pages like this that look like shit, but I think this one pulls it off. It's precisely the rightward flow of panels display an advancing motion and the passage of time.

>>149066972
This one is cool. I remember enjoying it when I first read it. It's from Joker War, isn't it? It's an excellent use of conveying a forward, downward motion. I normally don't like overly stylized lettering in dialogue, but of course Batman can pull it off.

>>149066994
>>149067007
These are clunky but not obtuse or offensive to read.

It seems like you want comic panels to all display realistic set pieces as if they were a film, and there are plenty of effective ways to do that. But to limit comic art to only that would fail to take advantage of the use of the medium, which can employ cartooning. It can play with backgrounds by changing them, or showing absurd angles, or omitting them entirely, or just drawing a bunch of lines or colors or a design, or whatever. You can do that with comics in a way that is not as natural as it is in other mediums.

Anyway that is my opinion.

What do you think of this page from Absolute Wonder Woman 3? If you're reading it, what do you think of Sherman's pages and paneling work in it? I have found it phenomenal, but I wonder if you may find it offensive.

>>149049275 (OP)
I could make worse

>>149049692

>>149074412
>You can do that with comics in a way that is not as natural as it is in other mediums.
Rather, it is more natural to use creative or surreal visual expressions in comics than in other visual mediums.

>>149055301
>that's... arguable.
>Incest

>>149055344
So that's what all the Chinese did to the extra babies.

>>149074412
I think all comics can be displayed as films. That's not to say that it has to be "realistic", but that all comics are sequential images and all films are sequential images, they are both the same in that fundamental nature.
To say that a comic shouldn't show a sequence of events through panels is to deny its being a comic entirely.
It must tell a story through sequential images, if it doesn't do this, it ceases to be a comic and becomes some avant garde art piece.

I haven't read this comic because the art style doesn't appeal to me but having a look at it, I don't like its excessive use of "clever" panelling. It feels like I'm looking at a childrens pop up book. It's gimmicky. I'm distracted from the story at every page.

But to comment on your page, I think the main panelling sequence (the first 4 starting from the top), are inappropriately shaped due to the artistic panelling choice. The timing and intensity of the scene is muddled.
The 2nd panel is especially poor, it's not clear what is happening it's too cramped, the panel is the wrong shape. It's the wrong shape because the artist has pre-chosen the panel without consideration for the story.
But those are nitpicks, the real sin here are the miniature panels within the 4th panel.
These are completely ineligable, they don't resemble panels, there's no sense of timing. I feel like I'm in a fighter jet videogame and I'm locking onto her with my homing missiles.

I found another panel from the comic that does a similar thing, pic related.
Are these panels, or are these magic boxes that actually exist in the world? It's downright fourth wall breaking. It's impossible to be feel that this story is actually alive, it is killed by being too artistic.

>>149053329

>>149074712
>>149074712
Here's another from the same comic.
The panel with the text "I'm dead?". What is the timing of this panel?
Does it occur immediately after the panels above it, or immediately before the panels below it?
The completely arbitrary choice of composition for the panelling, is actively muddling the pacing of the comic.

This artist is clearly completely unaware of the power that panels have, believing them to be mere boxes that hold images in, but does not understand that their shape, position, and even the gutter space inbetween them, is pivotal to the reading experience of the page.

>>149074795
The page you have posted and your confusion on reading it literally a (you) problem. We shouldn't pander to the lowest denominator or else nothing will advance.

>>149074712
Those extra panels are just indicators for a moment in time, which I think you know.

If the scene you posted were filmed, there are any number of ways you could capture Diana's acrobatics with different cinematography, but they all would have the advantage of filming an actor in motion. They're on a beach front, and she dodges 5 lasers. You could put that into 5 different panels, or even more, but the artist here uses a single panel to show the environment with six illustrations and six panels within the large panel.

If each of Diana's moves were given an entire panel with its own set piece, it would lose the smooth, kinetic movement which is conveyed by the single panel with the smaller illustrations, which is a cartooning technique. The boxes are just stylization and to help separate the action (moments) such that it is easier to read.

It's like what you posted here >>149066994 except that AWW actually looks good.

>It must tell a story through sequential images, if it doesn't do this, it ceases to be a comic and becomes some avant garde art piece.
These two pages in question certainly do that, but to address your point without arguing semantics, I would argue it is more accurate to describe the comics medium as story and artwork magazines rather than necessarily avant-garde work being something else entirely because they do not match arbitrary guidelines. People create and publish all kinds of crazy shit.

I bet you would hate this page also. You would also hate the horror book Gideon Falls. It uses weird paneling to the point of huffing its own farts. I think the kinds of issues you have with creative paneling can definitely go too far. It's a matter of taste. For me, as long as it looks good, and I can tell what's going on, it doesn't bother me too much. My barometer for whether this kind of thing is good or bad is how accessible it is to the reader.

>>149074795
I think this is another great page. The rounded panels do an excellent job of pulling the eye with the action. The eye-shaped panel's purpose on this page seems to be to provoke immediacy and disorientation.

It's doing this with angles in the same way a film would use camera angles. The "I'm Dead?!" panel evokes the look of a wide-angle lens.

Panels 2 and 3 are close and intimate, then 3, 4, and 5 move the reader's eyes in the direction of Steve's movement as he jumps up and freaks out. It is well done.

>>149074795
>The panel with the text "I'm dead?". What is the timing of this panel?
The "I'm dead" bit is to invoke an overhead fish eye lense type shot from film for dramatic and comedic effect. The timing is that sudden realisation, wait what did they say? I'm what?? Type of moment.

I think it is pretty clear. Like when something says something to someone and it takes a beat or so for someone to process what someone said and dramatically react.

>>149074795
This is how I would edit this page to better communicate the pacing. Since I have no idea what the pacing is, I have shown both options

>>149062542
Imagine if you made this but it was about three White Men going after Leo Franks and Karmelo Anthonys. The ADL would literally be spamming the news to convicne people you should be in prison and they'd try to tun the company that published it out of business.

But they'll turn around and say there's nothing wrong with this and that it's healthy discourse.

>>149075251
You could also make a successful comic book. Both of those statements are imaginary and only exist to make you angry.

>>149068358
>Bendis says he made Riri as a self-insert for his black daughters he adopted to look up to.
>Thinks they're all uppity niglets who can't do anytging unless they're oppressed and racebaiting.
Bendis Jewing his own daughters to be hateable for a rabbi refund on their adoption would be funny but highly unlikely anon.

>>149064892
Didn't have an argument against that, huh?
>>149064956
> Obnoxiously shoving my politics into everything is good storytelling
> No, I don't want to see even a hint of people having different opinions, that's a HATE CRIME
I think it's quite literally that you're attitude is a fascist totalitarian one, but you've convinced yourself that it's just common sense and anyone who disagrees with you must be irredeemably evil so it's O.K. to attack them with prejudice.

>>149074895
Well the first page is upside down, that's a new one. I'm too tired to bother ranting about this one

>>149059895
Why is Stephen King working at a gun store?

>>149066946
I think they can sometimes be used well, but only when it's tied with the story and being done to establish something as grandiose or needing higher impact. They should be used sparingly and/or come about from happenstance because it was the best way to draw it. I've never liked panels like in your example for exactly the reasons you've described, or when they get too crazy with the paneling to try to be different.

One example I can think of. though, that I liked is in All Star Batman and Robin the Boy Wonder where you see the batcave for the first time and it's like an 11 page foldout.

>>149075329
It's supposed to be like that, the comic is about disorientation

>>149075310
>Fascism and killing opposing voices is only bad when other people do it. Because I practise a benevolent fascism whilst the other people practise bad fascism.

>>149066972
I agree. The only time I could maybe accept that creative choice would be if it was Batman making a surprise guest appearance in a campier story and the "BATMAN" panel was a surprise splash page at the very end of an issue without the other paneling.

>>149075329
It contains several pages throughout which look like this. Good luck with this one.

>>149075251
I think it's time for a new graphic novel adaptation of The Turner Diaries.

>>149066994
I usually don't care for the left style paneling but I've seen it used in better ways before. I think part of the problem is it reverses the read order unexpectedly. It would probably work better if he was running down the stairs. The stuff on the right is awesome, though. Especially the transition between panel 2 and 3.
>>149067007
I'm more torn on this one. I like what they were going for but also don't like the immersion-breaking. I could see it being a better experience as a random occurrence in the middle of a long run though instead of being viewed in a vacuum.
>>149067081
This I can't agree with at all. This is how most comics should be and I base that off my experience reading Silver Age Spider-Man and it being one of the most enjoyable comic reads I've had. I wouldn't make it a hard and fast rule, though. Golden Age Batman played with the formula a bit and would often have 8-12 panels per page laid out in differing formats such as 2x2x2x3, or 2x3x2x3.
>>149067167
>>149067205
I disagree. These are nice.

>>149068893
Obnoxious filibuster

>>149075470
Even some of the earliest comics featured a capable knowledge of good panelling.
It is simply easier on the eyes to make the panels slightly askew from one another rather than fitting them into perfect boxes.
It's like how in photography you never want to photograph something head-on but instead slightly to the side of the composition, it just looks better

>>149049464
I would be fine with exceptions if they didn't want more than just the exceptions to have abortions as well. Just stop having sex. If the only unwanted pregnancies were rape babies instead of "i just don't like how condoms feel" they would have an easier time convincing people.

>>149075402
Christ this isn't even a comic anymore.
You actually can't read this.
To attempt to read this would be wrong. Trying to find a sequence of events in this is obviously against the intention of the author.
You're supposed to notice the <><> shape, remark at the madness of it, and then move onto the next page.
But this is not a comic at all. This is like if that same music band analogy from earlier but the musicians stopped playing music and just started cutting their instruments in half, with the sound of the saws echoed in the speakers.

To make an analogy to food:
I'm starving, there are no good comics that are just bread and butter, everything is gourmet snails and gold leaf, I can't eat this, I need something normal. There is nothing that is just normal.
No wonder comicbook stores are closing.

>>149075634
Ah. Finally we get to the crux of the matter. You want slop. Mass-produced cheetos and fritos to a flavor and recipe you already like. You don't try new foods because "what if I don't like it". Just push the same old, same old down your throat to get through to the next day until you die.

>>149073082
That was sickening. I would probably kill a woman if she did that to me.

>>149075659
This shit
>>149075402
Is the biggest slop in the world, it says NOTHING, just looks fancy at a glance.

>>149073734
If there weren't so many women trying to have elective abortions and use them as a substitute for birth control and/or just refraining from sex then it wouldn't be so hard to allow those things. The only problem now is it's so normalized that everyone's going to lie and try to claim they meet those conditions.

>>149075690
It's other women's fault you can't get an abortion, not ours for stopping you. You should be mad at them, not us. Don't organize against us, just get angry at other women and keep yourself divided.

>>149075634
Your analogy for some reason reminded me of this old video: https://youtu.be/w9AfjH2FeRM

>>149073886
You're getting burnt out because you're arguing to change their mind and getting frustrated when it isn't working instead of approaching the issue with an open mind to try to examine it from all sides and see if it's right or wrong. The discussion doesn't even necessarily need to end in agreement as long as all points are addressed honestly and those involved have been left with something to think about.

>>149075731
That only works if we assume good faith. No good faith exists when you invoke "Israel shouldn't kill innocent children".

>>149075712
Yes, if other women stopped having sex with chad and tyrone and wanting an abortion everyone month instead of demanding they wear a condom this wouldn't be a problem. But chad and tyrone say condoms are dumb, so she doesn't.

>>149054820
To this day I've still got no idea if viking man was meant to be pro or anti Israel.

>>149075769
probably anti-Israel since being anti-Israel was still a fairly niche opinion mostly associated with the far right (the actual far right) in 2015(?)

>>149075731
>You're getting burnt out
I'm not getting burnt out? The anon I was replying to is, which was my point. Good discussion can happen when a few like minded people actually want to discuss things but it requires active people who want to do it and even then, one misstep can turn into a fight. And like I said, it is fleeting because the natural state online is chaos. People burn out because even when they recognise a lost cause far too many keep going rather than walking away. Having an open mind and discussing things with people who don't will always lead to ruin. You need to recognise the warning signs.

>>149074712
I disagree. While a cinematic look can be nice, comics aren't films and they shouldn't be treated as storyboards. The medium itself should be taken advantage of like in pic rel. I've seen other ones where objects fall through panelling, characters get stuck inbetween panels or break out of them, it's used to illustrate time travel, etc. These are things that only comics are capable of doing and no other medium and should be celebrated.

>>149074829
>>149075098
I think the problem is just panel >>149075098
5 showing him stnading up a good ways away from the bed with a new character being introduced into the room whereas the rest of them show him sitting on the bed seeming to have a private conversation with the seated girl. It disrupts it. It would've helped instead to show just the two women from his POV or something else there doesn't appear to be a significant amount of time and movement between panels 4 and 5 and then again between 5 and 6.

>>149075362
Yes that attitude is the problem.

>>149075899
You should drop that attitude then.

>>149075877
I dunno why you're pretending the page exists in a vacuum with regards to the other woman

and you can very clearly the sequence of movement in panels 3 to 5 where he's standing up, just pay attention to the art a little better.

The push DC made with Harley and Poison Ivy Hage really burned me out on the two of them.

>>149075942
this isn't even a page, it's just you whining about politics again

>>149075712
Yes, their behavior is entirely what people have a problem with. No one liked the idea in the first place but the idea that it was to be a rare event used only in very unpleasant circumstances like a rape, incest, the Mother's life being in danger, or perhaps a pair of very young teens being stupid and getting pregnant at 15 was palatable. It quickly turning into: "GURL, who cares? Everyone can do it as often as they want!" is what's really disgusted people and made them backslide. Heck, I went to school with a girl who had 9 abortions between junior and senior year. NINE!

It's become obscene and was a mistake from the get go, and it's not just men that feel this way. I've dated women in the past that told me before we even got intimate the first time that they didn't believe in abortion and if we got pregnant we were keeping it. You types always like to misrepresent the issue as evil old men trying to control women's lives when it's quite literally a rejection of immoral and disgusting behavior. Accounting for the fact that rape, incest, and medical abortions only account for 1% of all abortions performed in the U.S.A. that means that 99% of women could've just chosen not to have sex with somebody. It's literally not that hard. No one NEEDS to have sex.

>>149075751
Are you saying arguing that Israel shouldn't be killing children is a bad faith argument or are you saying that those who argue in favor of it are arguing in bad faith?
>>149075803
Ah, I misunderstood.

>>149053951
> muh realism
Kill yourself

>>149075907
I'm willing to discuss things and examine things from all angles. The problem is typically someone getting emotional and feeling that the common sense argument or some of the facts are unjust and adopting the attitude of: "This isn't up for discussion. If I can't convince you I'll do away with you and FORCE my correct opinion."
>>149075921
I suppose that's a good argument in regards to the other woman's presence (though I had assumed based on the dialogue that he had just woken up and it was a scene change.) Though I think my point about the time/moment suggested between panels 4/5 and 5/6 still stands. It disrupts the beat between panels because the rest of them appear to clip by whereas panel 5 is kind of roughly inserted into the sequence of events.

>>149075985
My statement was in bad faith as an example thereof. I was never intending to argue my point for/against honestly. It is not possible to understand whether the person you are conversing with is being totally honest or deceitful, and thus any discussion requires at the onset, trust. Different people have different levels at which that trust is broken and bad faith is assumed.

>>149075970
You are, again, using anecdotes and baseless claims to condemn people you will never meet for actions you can not understand the reasons for. You have come to the conclusion that "abortion bad" and are now working backwards to justify forcing people to either a) not be allowed to abort, or b) be forced towards illegal abortions.

>>149053951
I'd rather have this. Especially compared to the OP pics that we were originally discussing. The art from this issue of Spider-Man (Amazing Spider-Man # 30) blows it out of the water.

>>149076073
I think it's baseless to claim it's more complicated than that. It's almost like a new logical fallacy "appeal to existentialism" "we can NEVER understand someone else's mind." We already know that abortions due to rape, incest, or medical issue only account for 1% of abortions, which means that in 99% of instances you could've just chosen not to have sex. It really boils down to wanting a socially acceptable and legalized form of murder so that you can have sex freely, which again, isn't that important and not something you HAVE to do. Before I got married I went for long periods of time without having sex. 4 or more years at a pop, even if I technically had the opportunity to do so because there was no one I liked that much or wanted to settle down with. There's no reason women can't do this. People act like there's some magical self fulfillment you get from sleeping with multiple different people or that you learn some esoteric secret to lovemaking by sampling different lovers. This isn't true at all. You can and will learn more from repeated lovemaking with one dedicated partner than you ever would with multiple one night stands and you'll enjoy it far more as well. Unfortunately most women seem to think that since they have the ability to sleep with numerous partners that means that not only are they entitled to but that they have to in order to live a fulfilling existence which leads to numerous unwanted pregnancies and the desire to murder their unwanted babies when instead they could simply just not sleep with anyone until they meet someone they would be willing to have a baby with.

>>149076197
I take it back. Your post is the epitome of bad faith arguement.

Thread actually came back. Nice.

>>149052807
YOU'RE A BAD JOKE

>>149071742
no it wasn't you retard, that's from Patsy Walker Hellcat

>>149075596
This is ass.

>>149073886
>You're literally too sensitive
No, I'm just old and I've lost my patience with these morons. I've been reading their just purely insane drivel since the early aol chat rooms and bbs sites. They crept into every crack and crevice in every website until they got purged by native admins. Since all the phpBB message boards are all defunct or fully monitored by the FBI, and all their accounts keep getting banned on facebook and twitter or they're scared of being unmasked to their communities, they come here. Where it's VERY hard to get banned if all you're doing is posting schizo fundie shit and stroking to lolicon. They adopted enough of the 4chan culture to fit in on all the fringe boards, and slowly pushed every person like me out; because as I said, it's very hard to get banned here, and they are fucking persistent little psychos. I'll give them that. They're just relentless. It would be an admirable quality if they weren't so goddamned annoying. And that brings me full circle as to why I periodically lose my patience with them. Especially now, but I already got warned for trolling in this thread (lol someone called the mods), so I'll just leave it with that.

Now, back to the thread. Here's my submission.

>>149076096
That's totally classic and cozy, but look at their proportions. It's not bad, per se, but I wouldn't call that peak. The backgrounds are simplistic storytelling devices, the colors are.. four. Except, we have better tools and methods now. Proportions are often way better. Backgrounds can be characters, not just devices. And the colors.... omg... I am simply LOVING the colors of today's books. Pic very related.

>>149076197
>you could've just chosen not to have sex.
...and this is where your argument completely loses all sense of good faith. You're forcing your morals upon someone else...
>legalized form of murder
...and backing it up with bunk science. These are your conjectured preferences, not a solid ethical stance.

Not all sex should produce a baby. I mean, sex only for procreation, especially in missionary, is just plain disgusting. What kind of sick fuck does that?

>>149076237
>>149078012
It's the truth plain and simple. You know if you do it that you're risking a pregnancy. Don't do it if you're not prepared for that outcome. It's not complicated.

>>149077997
I find the proportions fine. I will say something like this >>149077897 is very pretty but that artist looks like they put in the time and effort. Far too often we see copy/pasted panels or obvious tracing and other nonsense, or just plain ugly art and the excuse is: "My deadline! Art is hard!" No excuse. If the older artists could make great art without shortcuts I don't see why they can't with them.We should never see lazy things like that.

>>149078081
>It's my opinion plain and simple.
ftfy

>>149078093
>If the older artists could make great art without shortcuts I don't see why they can't with them.
Truthfully, I'd love to see someone like Ditko, Kirby, or Shuster be allowed to make comic art using today's printing methods and colors. Same tools and methods they were used to drawing with, but with zero color limitations, and the far more relaxed deadlines. Imagine the possibilities.

>>149078093
Older artists also made some real crap. Golden, Silver, and early Bronze age comics are LOADED with absolutely shit art. There was even an artist so universally panned as being a bad artist that it's a decades-old meme immortalized in an MCU flick. I seriously think the scrutiny today is overblown.

>>149056041
>It's ULTRAWAR. War of Everything -- against Everything Else!
>Nixon
This is a parody, right?

Damn no Nightcrawler butt baby?

We need to do a different version of this thread, but you're only allowed to enter pages from comic books you purchased physical/digital copies of. I'll bet that would remove 90% of the useless crap and political infighting. We've allowed too many people with zero stake in this have opinions that carry weight.
Who here actually pays for their comics?

>>149078268
I do. I don't blame anyone who doesn't, though, they're expensive.
I think the problem isn't that people aren't paying for the comics they post, it's that they're not reading them. All you see is panels or pages divorced entirely from context, and the people posting them sure aren't going to give you it.

>>149052892
The worst part about this is that even if you're okay with Ice Man being gay you've still got the problem of a filthy mindrapist outing a closeted gay guy because she's tired of waiting and keeping her mouth shut.

Set that story in the 50s or 60s and it would work fantastically as a horror story, because it would be so many closeted gay people's worth nightmare to find out there's psychics that can just read their minds and out them as gay no matter how hard they've managed to hide that part of themselves.

>>149078268
I don't have the original page saved, but this is probably the worst page of a comic I read all the way through and bought HCs of. The later stories were really shit but this was the first moment I was really taken out of the story because it felt so fucking preachy and just made no sense for the characters.

I can totally believe that Bigby would empathise hard with Israel because he fought in WWII, probably helped some Jews escape there and obviously saw a parallel between his little group of people fleeing persecution and genocide and Israel. But it's just so fucking stupid to have him deliver this speech to the one fucking guy in the whole comic series that 100% would have no fucking clue what he's talking about. So it's just entirely a waste of time except for how it's preaching to the reader for a whole page.

>>149078290
>they're expensive
If you preorder trades, it's actually pretty cheap. You're essentially paying less than $2 per issue, but you're going to be months behind the single issue buyers. If I remember correctly, you can get really cheap subscriptions from comixology. Marvel and DC both offer absurdly cheap annual subscriptions which grant you access to almost every book they've published, but you need to wait a month or two to access new Marvel books via Unlimited.

Plenty of ways to get comics for low cost.

Daily reminder that anti-woke is code for pro-israel

>>149078513
how the fuck does that even make sense

>>149078538
The anti-woke movement was always just a means to get young men to die for Israel.
They voted the most zionist president in American history into power because of a made-up culture war and now he's going to war on Israel's behalf.

There's a reason why "Fell for it again" was such a prolific meme, but now the fun's over and everyone just had anti-woke fatigue

Back to the Sandbox.

>>149078815
They should do thos every year with increasingly weird choices.

2000's Marvel was just chalk-full of subtlety.

>>149078843
Spider-Man making a joke at JJJ's expense, nothing wrong with it

>>149078815
How does Kingpin feel about the vaxx?
What does Snowflame think about the israel situation?
Give me Galactus' hot take on the ukraine war

>>149078856
It's a Chuck Lorre tier """joke""".

>>149078843
>chalk-full
Reopen the schools.

>>149078932
Teachers are literally the worst people ever.

>>149078944
with the low grades you were given it would make sense for you to feel this way.

>>149078947
Public Schools always fail the neurodivergent.

>>149078815
>Magneto just standing around looking at the firefighters lifting pieces of steel by themselves
what an asshole tourist

>>149078932
>>149078843
To play doubles advocate, mistakes like that are a diamond dozen in this doggy dog world of ours.

>>149079021
Very observant, the sacred and the propane.

>>149079021
Rare to meet an anon who shows some understanding. Truly, a blessing in the skies

>>149056041
CAPTAIN CYBER-NIXON: THE TRICKIER DICK

>>149057690
>>149059817
>a human baby is just the same as a farm animal
glad we got this out of the way

>>149077997
CMYK coloring is strictly superior to modern digital coloring

>>149079607
digital can use every color that CMYK afforded, it's just that now without the forced limitations, artists are capable of fucking up in more ways than was possible in the past

>>149078190
it's Morrison losing his mind

>>149078932
We're shutting them down forever.

>>149077997
Shit taste.

>>149075659
Normal doesn't have to mean bad.
You say "same old", but where is this same old? This generation has never seen a same old, it has only ever seen experimental after experimental. We haven't had same old for decades

>>149081262
you are vastly overestimating how many "experimental" artists there are making wackadoodle layouts. J.H. Williams is not the default.

>>149081262
None of those are experimental.

>>149066946
>>149066954
>>149066972
>>149066994
>>149067007
>>149067081
>>149067167
>>149067205
That's a dumb take, playing around with the panel composition is pretty much the same as a filmmaker doing more than just flat shots. It's a tool you're given with the medium, you should be willing to utilize it and do more than just the standard. That's not to say you should sacrifice readability but none of the examples you posted really did that and were fairly easy to follow and whatever tricks they did made sure to do so in a way where the flow of action was obvious. Comics are a visual medium, the art is not just a vehicle for the story.

>>149061948
You mean shit up the site

>>149055303
The first couple issues really got under my skin and made me feel gross, but now I only check in every few months to see if they actually do anything with Caleb

>>149059817
>These dorks will say shit like “white genocide” and “chyna chyna chyna!” like it means something
Ask Tibet what happens when you don't worry about China, and Iran what happens when you let Islam do what it wants. Hell, you can ask South Africa a lot of questions on this subject.

I'm not defending birtherism, though, I rather think we should we should invent some form of aerosolized abortion and spray two thirds of the world with it every few months.

>>149057690
As person who doesn't want to pay taxes for child care days or any other family shit. I'm perfectly fine with legal murder.

>>149075348
White people with guns was the true horror all along.

>>149072737
This is the filling of your story. You read this everyday. >>149066946 is the spice. Too much and it sucks. Just a little on occasion and you can put something exciting together.

Besides you, nobody wants to come home and eat the same dish at every meal.

>>149055868
no it was bendis

>>149065203
Kek, you sound like a faggot.

>>149082500
But this spice is shit.
If it were actually good, I would welcome it, but it isn't.
It's shit because the artists don't know what they're doing, they have no respect for the medium and think they're artistic geniuses. They're breaking the rules before they even know there are any rules.

>>149068417
>says all the female heroes she grew up once admiring were garbage cum receptacles
Oh? I don't think I've seen this one.

>>149069033
So grant morrison?

>>149081584
The art is absolutely just a vehicle for the story.
I'm sure some people like to buy comics as art pieces to put on their walls and not actually read them, but to anyone sane, the main point of a comic is that it can be read, and sacrificing the story in the name of art is stupid.

The art can be good, it can be creative, genius even, it can be something that can be put in a gallery and admired, but it must never trump readability, it must never even remotely distract from readability.

To compare it to filmmaking, rule number 1 is you never show the cameraman, because the moment you see a camera, or a boom mic, or the edge of the set, you are instantly reminded that you are watching a movie. It is the greatest mistake of all of filmmaking.
A good comic in the readers hand ceases to be a comic and instead becomes a living, breathing world that the reader is sucked into, and that is the ultimate goal of any medium of storytelling, it is the highest form of art that the medium can aspire to.

>>149071744
The art is literal MS Paint tier but Plastic Man both being a huge flake and being the most impractical form of transportation possible is at least funny.

>>149049275 (OP)
Jonathan Hickman posts worse pages than these every issue

>>149083505
>The art is absolutely just a vehicle for the story.
Not entirely, certain panels and pages become iconic and stand on their own because of the artistry and craftsmanship put into them. The art is used to tell a story, but it has to stand on its own as art.

>The art can be good, it can be creative, genius even, it can be something that can be put in a gallery and admired, but it must never trump readability, it must never even remotely distract from readability.
None of which the examples you posted do, IMO. The Death of Superman panel in particular, where Superman and Doomsday are reflected in Jimmy Olsen's camera lens, reminds me of a lot of movie shots where reflections of the action are shown, like a hired killer's reflection being visible on the rain-soaked ground at the beginning of "Three Days of the Condor."

>To compare it to filmmaking, rule number 1 is you never show the cameraman, because the moment you see a camera, or a boom mic, or the edge of the set, you are instantly reminded that you are watching a movie. It is the greatest mistake of all of filmmaking.
Comics aren't film, though. The audience already knows that this was drawn by artists, even in a lot of the best comics one of the main draws is the art.

Your opinion is like saying "films shouldn't try for creative shots because that could break immersion," but as you grow older immersion becomes less and less of a thing. Even with a film I truly enjoy, I'm always thinking about things like gorgeous scenery shots or good pacing or good acting and storytelling.

>>149083338
I can't judge it without the entire story. But given the general context of your argument, artistic play with the panels once in awhile is better than the same 5-6 layouts you showed every time, all the time with a slight bend being the spice.

Don't think anyone is disagreeing with you that going for 4th wall breaking, fuck with the panels every page is shit.

>>149069033
wow starfucking as solipsism, a new goddamned low in homespun philosophy

>>149083982
Post a few.

>>149083505
>
To compare it to filmmaking, rule number 1 is you never show the cameraman, because the moment you see a camera, or a boom mic, or the edge of the set, you are instantly reminded that you are watching a movie. It is the greatest mistake of all of filmmaking.
A good comic in the readers hand ceases to be a comic and instead becomes a living, breathing world that the reader is sucked into, and that is the ultimate goal of any medium of storytelling, it is the highest form of art that the medium can aspire to.

So make every page a pin-up page? Even if you doubled the page count of a book, that just sounds like a flip-book for manchildren.

>>149084052
Where did you get that conclusion from my post?
I'm not saying comics = filmmaking,
but rather filmmaking is best when focussed on story telling and nobody denies this, and I argue that comics are also best when focussed on storytelling.

The specific methods that filmmaking uses are not the same as comics even though the goal is the same.
But one area where they do overlap is immersion. There must be a suspension of disbelief for the viewer to be emotionally invested in the story, to best experience it.
And part of achieving that is hiding the hand of the creator.
In filmmaking this means hiding the camera, amongst other techniques.

In comics one aspect of achieving this is guiding the readers eye through the comic without them having to stop and search for the next scene. The speed that the reader should read the comic is precisely that of the pacing of the comic and nothing else. In that same way that you would never expect a movie-watcher to pause the film, they should be able to digest it without stopping.
A comic page that forces you to stop reading is equivelant to pausing the movie.

Comic panelling is an obviously effective tool for storytelling, in truth you could put one panel per page, vertical scrolling comics more or less do this, but I think this is unnessary. The page can fit 6 or so panels, so fill it with 6 or so panels, but don't shape them in stupid ways to flex your artistic skills, shape them to guide the readers eye.

>>149083983
It's like food, the most important thing is that it tastes nice. You want the food to look nice also, and this can be an art form, but if you ever make the food taste worse in the name of making it look pretty, you have gone horribly wrong and forgotten the point of food.

My complaint with the Death of Superman camera lans page is that it's confusing. Your eye is first drawn to the eyes of the photographer and Superman in the camera lens is hard to make out. It would have been so much more impactful if they had just gone with pic related as the climactic moment (but with the prior scene of Superman dying of course). I suspect the artist thought that would be too standard, too boring, but the result is a poorly executed page that is read as follows:
>turn page
>oh a photographer-
>-oh Superman is inside the lens! what a clever composition on the artist's part, anyway back to the story
The raw experience of the moment is robbed from the viewer in this way by such an overt and distracting composition.
It's like if you were listening to a piece of music and right at the climax of the song, it suddenly cuts out for a fraction of a second, your immersion in the song is broken and you're robbed of the experience.
tl;dr, it's just not a smooth reading experience, it would have been better if the camera lens was in colour and much more zoomed in, with the photographers reaction being cropped out, and then another shot on the next page showing the same thing but zoomed out.

>immersion becomes less and less of a thing.
oh come now, you don't really believe that do you? What a jaded view
That's like saying that that music isn't supposed to convey emotion but merely sophisticated melodies that can be appreciated from an academic perspective.
These are art forms, they are important to us because they are emotional, they make us feel things.

>>149084574
>It's like food
Opinion discarded.

>>149077997
that looks awful

>>149084574
This is a compromise I'd go for, with the following page being the original page but with Superman and Doomsday a little further apart indicating that half a second or so has passed.

If you saw this panel, you would first immediately see the action of Superman and Doomsday, and only afterwards would you see the camera, which would then be shown more clearly on the next page, like a zoom out shot.

>>149067205
The original page for reference

>>149084044
look in the win-o'thread yourself you lazy bitch

>>149086877
You made the claim. I'm giving you a chance to back it up.

>>149085272
What is with their arms?

>>149083505
>The art is absolutely just a vehicle for the story.
Again. It's a VISUAL medium. The writing and visuals go hand in hand, ignoring one over the other leads to a work that is lacking something fundamental. There's a ton of shit you can do with paneling that can be both a visual feast for the eyes and even act as a better flow for the reader than some stale and boring flat panels. When you experiment with the format you can even do more layered storytelling you wouldn't be able to achieve otherwise.

>>149087240
and I'm telling you where the evidence is located you ignorant cumbag

>>149084370
>but rather filmmaking is best when focussed on story telling and nobody denies this
According to who? Filmmaking is best when it has interesting shots AND a good script. If given the choice between a movie that looks great but the story is garbage, good writing but sterile shots, or one where it excels in both I'm choosing the latter every time no question.

>But one area where they do overlap is immersion
You can do some great auteur camera work without breaking immersion, I don't see why this has to be an either/or thing. It's a synthesis, one isn't upstaging the other.

>In comics one aspect of achieving this is guiding the readers eye through the comic without them having to stop and search for the next scene. The speed that the reader should read the comic is precisely that of the pacing of the comic and nothing else. In that same way that you would never expect a movie-watcher to pause the film, they should be able to digest it without stopping.
A comic page that forces you to stop reading is equivelant to pausing the movie.
I wholeheartedly disagree with this, a good paneler will know how to grab the reader's attention. Holding them captive is in itself a deliberate choice, that is very much part of the pacing.

>>149085272
This sucks. The original captures more for me as I first see their shock and then make my way down to what is happening using the word bubbles to guide.


You'd probably be able to make your point easier if you weren't using pages that used artistic shots and paneling correctly. Instead you are coming off as one of those who needs to be hand held like its a newspaper strip and would lose their shit seeing a manga.

>>149063898
i kinda like it, which issue/run is it?

>>149089396
JLA: Created Equal

>>149059780
Bendis's way of justifying why Wolverine should be an Avenger

>>149088682
If you know where it is, go fetch it.

good thread

>>149052762
Abortion is murder retard, it should only be used when absolutely necessary.

>>149075942
While it does feel forced, I wouldn't say it's the worst

>>149077897
Ugh. What the fuck did they do to Battletoads?

>>149049464
>its horrible...
>...not because of objective stuff like lazy panel reuse
>but because...LE WOKE
So progressivs like mearly all comics? Get over yourself.

>>149092399
What?

>>149078423
that is just bad art.

>>149079607
Fuck I have to check which version I have.
The right one. Thank god.

Autists have crazy shit to complain about, half of this thread is neat artistic ideas. For a "worst page" thread there's some fucking quality in here.

>>149092399
It's shit first and foremost because it's woke. Nobody is going to buy it because it's woke.
But even if it wasn't woke, it's also poorly drawn and nobody would buy it because of that either.

>>149063022
>Like the comic said, there are also a lot of states that dont have proper exceptions for health of the mother or viability of the baby.
Name one

>>149095042
not him but I simply put that into google and was unsurprised that it was a bunch of southern states

>>149095090
Name one

>>149055104
This is just a really funny joke

>>149095165
Where's the funny?

>>149096134
"please oppress me a little so I have something to overcome and I can later say 'this is for all the teachers who said I'd never amount to anything'" is chuckleworthy

Standard Bendis panel bloat kind of throws off the timing.