If anyone has read this (web)comic, I want to know if it's any good, especially since the creator makes like $8.5k on patreon and I am just genuinely curious what the appeal is aside from the admittedly impressive art, 'cuz nothing I've seen so far really impresses me and I'm not wasting my time on something that isn't worth it

>>149063448 (OP)
>, I want to know if it's any good,
i remember reading up tyo book 3? and it was really fucking good. but every now and again i check up on it and it seems very "dykey"(not in a bad way, just a weird disjointed way?) i feel like its gone on too long at this point but the art is still fucking beyond compare.

>>149063470
>and it seems very "dykey"(not in a bad way, just a weird disjointed way?)
I had a hunch, honestly.
NEVERTHELESS, I'll check it out up to Book 3. Uh, is it in chapters or some shit? Where does Book 3 END?
>the art is still fucking beyond compare
I think that MIGHT be its biggest selling point, which, ya know, totally fine all told

>>149063448 (OP)
But you're worthless so its safe to assume your time is as well

>>149063526
>I think that MIGHT be its biggest selling point, which, ya know, totally fine all told
its the only reason people know about it at all. not much else

>>149063448 (OP)
It's cool, one of the better webcomics out there because the creator is a professional. Main issue right now is that pacing has slowed to a crawl in recent years due to a combination of having newborns and various health issues

>what the appeal is aside from the admittedly impressive art
It's an interesting fantasy setting with a lot of neat designs and lore. He does a lot of tabletop stuff on the side so he knows how to make some fleshed out settings.

>>149063526
>NEVERTHELESS, I'll check it out up to Book 3. Uh, is it in chapters or some shit? Where does Book 3 END?
dont take my word for it anon, thats just the number i read to. when i check on it like a year or two ago it was weirdly dykey.
im sure you can see which issues/pages are in the "books" by checking amazon or wikipedia and not the actual site.

>>149063448 (OP)
More like
Kill Six Million Demons

>>149063448 (OP)
>If anyone has read this
You are new to /co/ aren't you?

>>149063807
>because the creator is a professional
>pacing has slowed to a crawl in recent years due to personal problems
Interesting. I never realized that.
I always wondered how you can make your stuff a priority and ask your fans to give you money without E-begging...but considering the guy makes almost $9000 a month and combine with what you just said, I don't think he can. Sucks.

>>149063470
>>149063829
dykey is not an adjective.

>>149063829
>im sure you can see which issues/pages are in the "books" by checking amazon or wikipedia and not the actual site.
In the time it took you to reply I went and checked and THIS is where Book 3 ends:
https://killsixbilliondemons.com/chapter/book-3-seeker-of-thrones/
I'll see how long the gap is

>>149063862
it is now, and there fore has always been.

>>149063879
>It is now
Goddammit, somebody beat me to the punch!

>>149063448 (OP)
The art is super good, the story goes between mid to great. It hasn't finish though.

>>149063877
i honestly fcant tell you anon, but the comic is really solid and then just becomes a slog to read and it feels like filler and then comes some weird lesbian shit which is okay until its just all it becomes about

>>149063847
Hell no. I've been here for 5 years...it's just the ONLY time anyone's ever mentioned it. If they have, it wasn't of anything significant.

>>149063526
Book 1: welcome to heaven, god's dead
Book 2: Allison slaps the queen
Book 3: The Gang Robs a Bank
Book 4: TOURNAMENT ARC
Book 5: A beautiful day for a war
Book 6: > we are here <

Book 3 ends right after a character says "Welcome back. We started a war." It's pretty hard to miss.

>>149063846
>More like Kill Six Million Demons
Funny you should mention this, I learned about this series from THIS video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STsB-_At8GY
One of the criticisms this guy has is that it kind of loses the plot of the whole killing demons thing VERY early on. You're basically confirming it is true, sooo...yeah, I know what to expect

>>149063918
Thanks for the recap. I know what to expect. Going in then, wish me luck.

>>149063897
>until its just all it becomes about
I think you got cut off, anon

>>149063912
We have a thread for almost every page that comes out. That has to be worth something.

>>149063967
>We have a thread for almost every page that comes out.
JEEZUS, where the fuck have I been during all this? I never ONCE see anything related to K6BD on the front page, and I GO THERE OFTEN!

>>149063932
Have fun! And remember, if you meet God on the road, kill him!

Reach heaven through violence.

>>149063986
Fridays whenever it updates! They don't always last all day. Depends on the hype levels.

>>149064014
>Fridays whenever it updates! They don't always last all day. Depends on the hype levels.
That might explain it then.

>>149063448 (OP)
>>149063526
Jesus fucking Christ, can you do anything on your own, you pathetic little faggot? Someone just attested to the quality of the opening. Start reading until you start hating it.

>>149063859
Well he's also doing more than just KSBD, he's got a few trpgs he regularly provides content for so part of the patreon money is for that as well.

>>149064033
>he's got a few trpgs he regularly provides content for so part of the patreon money is for that as well.
Honestly that's what I assumed the Patreon was for at first and THEN KSBD took his priorities. I dunno, I heard the comic jumpstarted from a forum for...I think it was like Homestuck? But yeah, I'm away of the RPG stuff...I wonder if it's successful?

>>149063448 (OP)
I would suggest another webcomic, unsounded. Book 1 is finishing up rn and its a good read.

>>149064062
Oh I am very much aware of Unsounded but not for the reasons people praise it for. Take a guess, especially when it comes to Sette.

>>149064049
Comic came first, the RPGs second. Lancer was first then came Icon, Maleghast, and Cain with a handful of shitposts like Goblin With a Fat Ass in between. Considering he's making at least like 100K a year from patreon bux alone I'd say he's pretty successful. It's not like he's looked to be the next DnD but he has his niche and is making modest profits from it.

>>149064062
Unsounded is in my opinion the best (long form, graphic novel) webcomic there is, hands down. The writing, art, characters, and world are all so, so good. Book 2 is gonna be awesome, gonna Aldpost every thread.

I know about the Innate Parrot but what the fuck are the Squid People and Other Discord??

>>149064112
Squid people is a joke that Unsounded humans evolved from squids

>>149064094
>Comic came first, the RPGs second.
I see then.
>Considering he's making at least like 100K a year from patreon bux alone I'd say he's pretty successful
Lucky bastard
>It's not like he's looked to be the next DnD
You never know

>>149064123
>You never know
I mean, I think he's pretty happy being in the artisan bespoke niche that he is. His main gripe with the trpg scene is that he's tired of people trying to twist DnD into other shit just because it's the most popular system when there's so much better stuff out there. Like people making a cyberpunk DnD when Cyberpunk 2020/Red and Shadowrun exist as an example.

>>149063448 (OP)
>I want to know if it's any good
It's very good but it has one caveat:

The artist literally uses the comic to learn how to draw.

Everything he discovers a new tecnique, you will instantly know because he'll forcefeed it to you for 60 pages. Things that were nice early on are ditched to fit new ways of drawing hat are also nice, but the constant changes are jarring.

Aside: The story has some great ideas and some really poor ones, mostly in the dialogue, and chiefly because his schedule has more or less become incompatible with raising two children. When his second kid is born, you'll immediately know.

>>149064087
>has elka
>choose eternally prepubescent ironing board

nigga

>>149063448 (OP)
It's one of those "an atheist's take on religion" kind of stories. IE, he doesn't really understand what he's trying to say, and shit just happens for no reason because it looks cool.
The dude's a good artist, but the story sucks and doesn't really have anything to say. It's just contrived BS happening in an abnormally pompous fantasy universe.
I tried reading it, gave up quite fast. Tom is just too much of a San Francisco fag with opinions that are too bland and faggy.

>>149064014
>>149064024
But we have had threads for major events that lasted 4 days.

>>149064049
The Elder Scrolls fanfiction. in fact started as CYOA hosted on Homestuck's MSPA

>>149064062
It's a great comic but Lemon got fucking ruined fuck you cope.

I just don't think it's possible for them to kill six billion demons
Six thousand, maybe, but six billion?

>>149064225
>It's one of those "an atheist's take on religion" kind of stories. IE, he doesn't really understand what he's trying to say, and shit just happens for no reason because it looks cool.
>The dude's a good artist, but the story sucks and doesn't really have anything to say. It's just contrived BS happening in an abnormally pompous fantasy universe.
>I tried reading it, gave up quite fast. Tom is just too much of a San Francisco fag with opinions that are too bland and faggy.
Like I said, I had a hunch, but that's why I'm here, for a second opinion.
Not to be some fundamentalist but I saw what he looks like and thought, "Yeah, this guy's a leftie". Make of that what you will.

>>149063448 (OP)
>I want to know if it's any good
It's very good but it has one caveat: The artist literally uses the comic to learn how to draw.

Every time he discovers a new tecnique, you will instantly know because he'll forcefeed it to you non-stop for 60 pages. Things that were nice early on are ditched to fit new ways of drawing that are also nice, but the constant changes are jarring.

Aside: The story has some great ideas and some really poor ones, mostly in the dialogue, and chiefly because his schedule has more or less become incompatible with raising two children. When his second kid is born, you'll immediately know.

>>149064253
Was it Elder Scrolls? I thought it was something else?

>>149064293
YISUN is literally vivec.
The meme got even better after C0DA. KSBD is vivec's amaranthine dream

>>149064259
>I just don't think it's possible for them to kill six billion demons. Six thousand, maybe, but six billion?
You never know, man. Comics allow you to do some CRAZY SHIT, 2nd only to video games

>>149064278
>It's very good but it has one caveat: The artist literally uses the comic to learn how to draw.
Isn't that a good thing? Like art evolution?
>Every time he discovers a new tecnique, you will instantly know because he'll forcefeed it to you non-stop for 60 pages.
Oh.

>>149063448 (OP)
I binged the whole comic for the first time a few months ago and it was great. Waiting for updates now is pretty painful though. It's a really good comic but you should just wait a bit longer for it to be finished and read the whole thing at once.

>>149064334
>I binged the whole comic for the first time a few months ago and it was great. Waiting for updates now is pretty painful though. It's a really good comic but you should just wait a bit longer for it to be finished and read the whole thing at once.
I may. Thank you for your time then

>>149063448 (OP)
K6BD is the logical conclusion of what happens when a great artist that can't write for shit makes their own comic. It's the West's answer to the back half of manga OPM. Everything memorably good about it involves its visuals: the composition is generally solid, the character designs are memorable, the fights are weighty and flow like water, the scenery and backgrounds are stunning. Every page is shaded and rendered, you've got all these wacky perspective shots and it's generally a very pretty affair. I think it's worth skimming through off the merit of its art alone.

But is it any good as a narrative? Does it tell a compelling story? No, not even fucking close. The main character, Allison, fucking sucks. She's pretty much always fucking sucked, a basic bitch white girl so utterly lacking in emotional depth or intrigue that we literally got to see her personal mindscape to find it full of the most cookie-cutter #whitegirlproblems imaginable (body dysmorphia, crippling depression, etc...) She never really develops as a person as much as she just ping-pongs between generic archetypes, none of which are ever remotely interesting to watch. Her best friend has a stupid accent and writes fanfic, and that's about all there is to say about her; and White Chain is pretty cool, except that her arc is both incredibly underdeveloped and rushed out the door. All the best characters are the bad guys, as they are in every hack story; the arcs are slapdash affairs, the pacing is liquid ass and the character dynamics are woefully underdeveloped. It's a terrible, terrible drama, about as emotionally gripping as the average high school Tumblr poem.

So if you're looking to read something that'll really tug at your heartstrings and suck you into its world, then don't bother, but if you like pretty art then I'd give it a look-through.

>>149064465
>K6BD is the logical conclusion of what happens when a great artist that can't write for shit makes their own comic.
All the writing talent went into the storylets in the comment.

Shouldn't be a surprise, at this point Abbadon is insisting in a story he developed as a teen while playing Morrowind almost 20 years ago. He CAN write better shit, but he just can't let go of the original premise, specially since he's spoiled and insisted so much on the initial concept he'd cannot even change KSBD's direction.

>>149064465
>none of which are ever remotely interesting to watch.
Hag allison done with the world is cool.

Wish she had a bit more of a build up besides getting literally told "nothing ever matters allison" magically curing her depression.

>>149064329

you will understand what i'm talking about when you get to the point where abbadon starts leaning to draw real anatomy.

>>149063448 (OP)
i remember reading it and getting bored and annoyed and then throwing it. It was so boring I dont remember why. stanks of too much anime disorder

The little short stories that get posted below the pages are better than the main story of the comic itself.

>>149064465
>But is it any good as a narrative? Does it tell a compelling story? No, not even fucking close. The main character, Allison, fucking sucks. She's pretty much always fucking sucked, a basic bitch white girl so utterly lacking in emotional depth or intrigue that we literally got to see her personal mindscape to find it full of the most cookie-cutter #whitegirlproblems imaginable (body dysmorphia, crippling depression, etc...) She never really develops as a person as much as she just ping-pongs between generic archetypes, none of which are ever remotely interesting to watch. Her best friend has a stupid accent and writes fanfic, and that's about all there is to say about her; and White Chain is pretty cool, except that her arc is both incredibly underdeveloped and rushed out the door.
The entire POINT of allison is that she's psychologically not the kind of person that becomes an MC. Literally ALL her arcs are her being peer pressured into shit she doesn't want to do because she's literally god.

>>149063470
>it seems very "dykey"
But the best character is a fag, imagine that.

>>149063448 (OP)
fuck you so fucking much

>>149064516
>you will understand what i'm talking about when you get to the point where abbadon starts leaning to draw real anatomy.
No no, I believe you. It's just quite the realization, is all

>>149063448 (OP)
have you tried reading it, you stupid zoomer faggot?

>>149064520
>and then throwing it
So I assume this was a trade and not the webcomic then

>>149064529
>The entire POINT of allison is that she's psychologically not the kind of person that becomes an MC. Literally ALL her arcs are her being peer pressured into shit she doesn't want to do because she's literally god.
Ok. Let me ask you a question. Does that make it a good story?
Being able to explain WHY something is the way it is is not the same as being able to explain whether it SHOULD be that way.
Did you know I have a hemorrhoid on my ass because I have a sedentary lifestyle? Is that any different than what you're trying to say?
Shut the fuck up. You're a moron.

>>149064548
>fag
>simps for his teenage a muscle mommy crush for an entire century

>>149064465
>It's the West's answer to the back half of manga OPM.
So that explains why nobody talks about it anymore. If I needed any more reason to not pick it up for anything but Yusuke Murata's art...
>The main character, Allison, fucking sucks
Anon, people might think this critique is very anger and petulant but I think it's well spoken. I'm not saying I agree with -- I haven't read the damn thing yet -- but you laid it out in a way that doesn't sound like a plebbitor off his meds that I see so many times, and that's a rarity on this site. Well done

>>149064562
>Does that make it a good story?
Yes, I have nothing negative to say about Allison's evolution. From day 1 it's basically stated "she's a retard wasting her gift" and the entire point of the comic is "allison gets over herself and stops wasting her gift"

I think you are mad you didn't get a shonen.

>>149064490
>specially since he's spoiled and insisted so much on the initial concept he'd cannot even change KSBD's direction
Isn't that usually a good thing? I don't like it when a story forgets the original point of the story, kind of like how Hancock changed plot halfway. Never liked that, personally, just STICK to something for the love of God...though I'd assume you're telling me that's not always a bad thing

>>149064529
>The entire POINT of allison is that she's psychologically not the kind of person that becomes an MC. Literally ALL her arcs are her being peer pressured into shit she doesn't want to do because she's literally god.
That sounds like a passive protagonist if you ask me, but I could be wrong

>please tell me what my opinion should be

>>149064620
My opinion is my own, thank you anon

>>149064568
You don't know what simping means. Abby isn't a deep writer, but the Maya-Incubus conflict was never about him wanting to fuck her.
WoG confirmed his gay and gay for power.

K6BD is a great comic with amazing art, fun characters, intriguing dialog, deep lore, and an engaging story. The threads we have here on /co/ led to some of the most memorable, fun edits this board has seen.
Everyone else in this thread shitting on it is a contrarian faggot.

>>149064585
Yeah, but, what is her "gift"?
Not in the series itself, but meta-textually. Is it about... Believing in yourself? Is it about... Feminism? Is about fucking anything?
The story just blows and has nothing to say. It's irrelevant bullshit happening to annoying people that don't matter for reasons that are borderline arbitrary.
Do you see what I mean?
All you're able to do is explain WHAT happens. That's it. Explaining what's happening doesn't make it worth reading. The fact that you can't really grasp that concept is what leads me to believe you're an actual retard.
The hemorrhoid on my ass. It's there. That's what's going on. Do you want to stare up my asshole and look at it?
>No
Exactly. Explaining that the MC is fucking annoying, and her arc is shallow, gay, and repeated over and over does not make the story GOOD, you're just literally explaining what happens.
You're like a complete dipshit.

>>149064597
>Isn't that usually a good thing?
You'll get to chapter 4 and immediately understand why it wasn't a good thing.

>>149064638
>Everyone else in this thread shitting on it is a contrarian faggot.
Something I've learned is that if you make enough people bloodthirsty with hate, you're doing something right. If they can just make snide comments about your work being shit and move on, your work probably is awful.
Make of that what you will.

>>149064653
>>Isn't that usually a good thing?
>You'll get to chapter 4 and immediately understand why it wasn't a good thing.
Well that image certainly says FUCKING EVERYTHING, so thanks for the heads up.
Also when you say chapter, you mean an ACTUAL chapter, or Book 4?

>>149064637
Again wrote himself into a corner and forget the dynamics involved into "this BOY got saved from being a war casualty by these two wanderers and his entire youth and puberty was spend with this one WOMAN"

There's little room for interpretation here. word of god is retarded and knows nothing trauma, mental illness or teenage development.

>>149064669
Interesting. Go on. Genuinely.

>>149064665
ah shit, yes book 4. It's also related to actual IRL shit happening to Abbadon, the book's start is very uncooked

Seems like you've already made up your mind about this comic, so why make this thread? Did you just want some more reinforcement for your confirmation bias?

>>149064680
>ah shit, yes book 4
I had a hunch. It's all good

>>149064585
>From day 1 it's basically stated "she's a retard wasting her gift" and the entire point of the comic is "allison gets over herself and stops wasting her gift"
It's more like the story goes from "This retard with no natural talent was given cosmic power and a goal" to "This retard with no natural talent developed a way to use said cosmic power after being curbstomped by reality". But yeah I also have nothing bad to say about Allison's evolution. The narrative pulled no punches with her development.

>>149064677
We can agree stinkman is a born follower and losing maya was traumatic. But why did he obsess with maya for so long and not say, join the apparently stronger demiurges as soon as they ditched meti. Why did they *travel together* when he had other options?

one word: feelings.

>>149064640
Nigga the story is about Allison reaching royalty. If you haven't figured it out: Royalty is literally "just b urself and don't regret things"

>>149064669
>his entire youth and puberty was spend with this one WOMAN
He's still gay tho Meti took both him and Maya to different places; he saw other people. That's like saying a kid being sent to an all boy's boarding school will 100% grow into a fag and vice versa for chicks.

>>149064726
>one word: feelings.
I see. And where you come to this conclusion because the rest of the board sure as shit doesn't share your analysis

>>149064726
>one word: feelings.
>he thinks people can only have feelings for those they want to fuck
Anon...

>>149064529
>b-but that's the point dough, it's repugnant dogshit on purpose

Besides the fact that Abby just isn't very good at writing interesting characters that aren't bad guys, Allison's just not fun to watch. She has one good stretch in book 2 between the I WANT- explosion into ruining Mottom's tree, and then that's it. Whatever momentum she was building up is completely curbstomped by her abysmal portrayal in Book 3, where she figures via her limitless amount of 80 IQ brainpower that to harness power means being a piece of shit nobody likes. Even in this state, she's -somehow- not fun to watch, and that's because Allison is a walking cliché. Nothing about her carries any weight, nothing about her commands your attention; she's not depraved enough to garner your interest like Incubus, she's not delusional and quietly self-defeating like Solomon. She's so basic that even her depression is easy to deal with. She sleepwalks her way in and out of a lesbian relationship, because Abbadon thought he banked up enough relationship points between Allison and Cio for their kiss to feel earned (it didn't) after one-third of her screentime by that point had been as a generic asshole that Kenshiro would kill in a filler episode. Fuck, even Cio at least had ONE memorable character quirk.

There are characters that are fun to watch fumbling and eating shit; Allison isn't one. Almost her entire arc (starts off way out of her depth, unwilling to go all in -> starts to harness the power -> falls off the deep end -> locks in -> gets depressed -> pulls it back for the endgame) is just a bloated and soulless version of Simon's. There's only so many times you can go "oh but she sucks and is boring intentionally" before it gets stale.

>>149064560
uh i dunno. I didnt realise there were 2 separate things, but my guess is it wont be any different to what I read

>>149064772
Yeah, setting up an idiot protagonist in a setting where idiocy is quite literally divine CAN be fun, but Allison is the type of passive protagonist where solving the problem of her not being fun to watch just doesn't happen all story because her becoming a tolerable, proactive person is the resolution of the entire plot.

I'd have rather enjoyed if KSBD was about Aesma, or if Allison mirrored her in being an eager idiot and not a passive one

>>149063448 (OP)
It's good. We have threads here when new pages release.
My recommendation is not to worry too hard about details at the start, everything important gets repeated as needed. Enjoy the art and vibes.

>>149064794
>Allison mirrored her in being an eager idiot and not a passive one
Allison hasn't been passive since breaking out of Jadis's ziggurat.

>>149064842
Yeah, for 4/5 of the story. I liked her handling Gog but it's too little too late.

>bump

>>149063807
>Main issue right now is that pacing has slowed to a crawl in recent years
No. That's a big issue, sure, but the loss of Cio is an even bigger issue. The pace hardly matters when a story has lost its joy.

>bumpx2

>>149064638
The comic is not the same without Dave's masculine energy
>>149064656
If people can make snide comments about your work and move on, it's over. Nobody cares. People only expend energy/get assblasted about media they care about; therefore the author has won.

>>149066061
>If people can make snide comments about your work and move on, it's over. Nobody cares. People only expend energy/get assblasted about media they care about; therefore the author has won.
This guy gets it

I think its really really good, the biggest issue is that it hardly update even though the guy makes 9k a month on Patreon to update his comic.
I understand if this is your hobby but if its your full-time job you should be able to release 2 or 3 pages a week consistently.

>>149066125
>I understand if this is your hobby but if its your full-time job you should be able to release 2 or 3 pages a week consistently.
Something I have also learned is that if you want to make something people want to read, there are certain rules you have to abide to...like updating. Otherwise it's just a hobby. The previous statement is not always the case in art and writing but considering how people are clamoring for more AND the numerous criticisms this thread has stated, one has to ask Abaddon why is he making this in the first place.

>INB4 someone mentions his health problems, I'm aware but...couldn't he get an assistant or something? HE HAS THE MONEY FOR THAT!

Its good, but the release has come to a crawl because Abby is now a father of two and is making a tabletop game atop of it.

Understandable, but i dont think we're getting the height that was Jaggs wild ride every week.

>>149066149
>but i dont think we're getting the height that was Jaggs wild ride every week.
How much you wanna bet it's all downhill from here due to the time consuming social obligations in Abaddon's life?

>>149063448 (OP)
Yes. It's good. Of course, it's good.
Why don't you enlighten us as to some of your favorite comics, so we all know what good taste you have?

>>149066232
>Why don't you enlighten us as to some of your favorite comics, so we all know what good taste you have?
Because that's not what this thread's about. If it was the header would be "What are you reading right now" and we'd go from there. But as you can see from some of the comments anon, some people do not share your opinion.

>INB4 you ask what my opinion is, my opinion is my own, tyvm.

>>149066205
We get it in bursts now i guess every 2 months or so, although he said nothing about a batch release after the latest.

>>149066257
>We get it in bursts now i guess every 2 months or so
I don't know if that's good enough, honestly. Isn't this what killed of Gabbie Hanna and Spoony's careers...well, that and OTHER reason, obviously?

>>149064640
The point of Allison, as stated by Abbadon when he first started on the homestuck forum, is for Abbadon to learn how to write a good female character. Her literal purpose is "I suck at writing girls so I'm starting a comic so I can learn to write girls".

>>149066307
>The point of Allison [...] is for Abbadon to learn how to write a good female character.
Do you think he succeeded?

>>149066330
No
I mean, she seems like a real person, a boring and basic bitch person, most of us have met Allisons irl. She's not a good for a lead role in a story though.

>>149066352
>She's not a good for a lead role in a story though.
Hm. Is it because she's passive, nothing compelling or interesting about her, or something else?

>>149066254
You already said you’re not impressed. What do you not find impressive?

>>149066358
She is definitely too passive but she does have compelling things. Her drinking contest with Vladok was peak Allison and was very good, taking notes from her sorority life background and letting us see how that's shaped her then naming Princess with her animu brainrot which lets us see a glimpse of young and passionate Allison, but then none of that is ever touched on or used again, except the rainbow lesbian merge which was kinda Sailor Moon-y.

Once she commits to fighting back she becomes a boring one-note wannabe badass devoid of any hint of what's shaped her beyond generic allusions to depression and shame, nothing specific to her either. She becomes a caricature of female lead character.

>>149066396
>What do you not find impressive?
There's this weird undercurrent that most of the fanbase are chicks and that Abaddon only has $8.5k a month because the girl who at first is there to rescue her boyfriend decides "nope, I'm gay now". I'm not saying that's bad -- like AT ALL -- I'm saying it's...predictable, cheap. Of COURSE that's the easiest way to get a shit ton of money, everyone else is doing it. I just don't feel like he EARNED it...aside from the art of course.

>>149066404
>She becomes a caricature of female lead character.
Isn't that what MOST female leads are like nowadays? Isn't this what women WANT, apparently? I have no idea who I'm talking to on the other end but I'm going to assume you don't identify as a woman

>>149066453
Really? THAT’S your complaint? Why would you care about what other people think about someone else’s art?

>>149066503
>Why would you care about what other people think about someone else’s art?
I didn't say that. That's just what got my attention...and that's all that got my attention, honestly.
My biggest problem is that NOTHING about the story hooked me and I couldn't figure out why people were praising it, it didn't feel organic, grassroots and all that...and when I skipped to the spoilers on another website, I figured out WHY

>>149066453
It’s just so petty. Are you so cynical that you think an artist would put so much effort into a project and just think to make a character a lesbian to boost popularity, in order to make money? It’s so cynical. How old are you? Do you spend much time on /pol/?

>>149066460
>Isn't that what MOST female leads are like nowadays?
Unfortunately
>Isn't this what women WANT, apparently?
Generic self insert mcs are a blight, a popular blight


And no, I identify as someone who enjoys his penis immensely.

>>149066453
>nope, I'm gay now
She never wanted to fuck Zaid. Allison being some flavor of lesbian was there from the beginning.

>>149066516
So you listened to non-fans complain about a thing they didn’t like, picked it up for a while, dropped it because you weren’t into it, then started studying the actual fan base’s conversations around it to see why people were into it, and concluded, “Oh! lesbians. it’s the lesbians. That must be it.” Then made this thread for, reasons.

>>149066404
>She becomes a caricature of female lead character.
Explain what is a good female lead character and why is Allison a caricature?

>>149066535
NO COMMENT about the spoiler.

As for the rest,
>Generic self insert mcs are a blight, a popular blight

And don't you DARE criticize this, especially with women and mary sues, otherwise will be called MUHSOGYNISTIC

Hot take, women have shit taste in...well, everything. So I'm not pandering to them. I've kind of realized if I ever do a series, which is doubtful, I'm going to do it organically and not look desperate, so if plebbit or X or whatever tries to cancel me...much like RLM, I'd be too big to cancel because I do not care at that point

>>149066590
>Explain what is a good female lead character
I don't think ANYONE knows what a good female lead character looks like, even other women...so why bother to set some kind of standard, honestly? Just do and write whatever and whoever the fuck you want IMO

>>149066590
One who has more going on than being the role of lead character trying to solve the story.
She has nothing beyond "I'm going to solve the plot" and she doesn't have much personality outside of that and depression. That's all Allison has done since she got buff and Cio outright calls her out on it. Honestly the lesbian relationship drama was at least something going on.

>>149066641
>Honestly the lesbian relationship drama was at least something going on.
Do you think this was put in because Abby couldn't figure what else to do? It would certainly either explain a lot or be a step in the right direction depending on who you ask

>>149066254
If it wasn’t good, and worth reading, people wouldn’t read it. The fact that it’s as successful as it is should be a clue that people like it. isn’t that obvious? It’s super weird that you would attach patreon numbers to it.

>>149063448 (OP)
it starts off really good.
but the later chapters has allison turn into an unlikeable bitch who sort bends of reality to her will.
then again i guess that’s royalty?

>>149066658
>It’s super weird that you would attach patreon numbers to it.
Well, the thing is there's plenty of webcomics and creators I like that honestly deserve a chance and don't make these numbers and I have to ask..WHY it became successful. And despite what everyone is saying -- which I'm not invalidating -- it's kind of like the Markiplier Honey thing where there is just something that doesn't CLICK

>>149066652
I feel like he put it in because of the fans he had around him, the weird effeminate larpers that swarmed the comics comments and fill his discord. I believe he genuinly was going to invert the gender rolls for Allison and Zaid and have her be the dashing hero and him being the damsel in distress, just with a healthy heaping of esoteric spiritual bullshit on top.

The fans though became super disgusted by Zaid as a sex creep even though Allison set up the hookup herself, so Abby swerved.

>>149066652
>>149066652
The lesbian stuff was hinted at very very early in the comic. It wasn’t a cop-out, or a sudden revision to boost popularity, as you so desperately want to believe. It was probably decided before he put pen to paper. You would know that if you had simply read the book.

>>149066658
Popular does not mean good.
In fact the most popular things humans enjoy tend to be pretty bad for us and the world around us.

>>149066674
>so Abby swerved.
I understand that's the best way to make money but it makes you look REALLY insecure...in my eyes. But again, if you want money, you have to make something people ACTUALLY want to buy...otherwise it's just a hobby.

>>149066688
See, this is the confirmation bias you were searching for. Congratulations OP.

>>149066688
Art is a hobby, a passion to express. It's not meant to make money, you just need money because the world demands it.

>>149066685
I'm 50/50 on that, honestly

>>149066404
>Once she commits to fighting back she becomes a boring one-note wannabe badass
I like her finally not being helpless but she has become very boring.
Gog’s defeat was anticlimactic as hell.
Not having high hopes for her final fight with Jags

>>149066641
>She has nothing beyond "I'm going to solve the plot" and she doesn't have much personality outside of that and depression.
The story has already hinted she's began to think beyond solving the plot, and characters are making moves in case Jag is defeated as well.

>>149066674
I'll overlook the tiresome lesbian drama if old coke stays dead. I'll kneel if Abby ends the multiverse fight in an homage to how the multiverse began.

>>149066806
Well lets hope the pay off is worth it.

>>149066714
>Art is a hobby, a passion to express
So what happens if you make something that's just a fun time and people cancel you for it on plebbit or X because it doesn't fit THEIR STANDARDS, huh? Where's the joy and expression in THAT?

>>149066968
I don't know what that has to do with wrongly treating art as just a means to make money but fuck dude you can just go somewhere else with your art.

>>149066990
>you can just go somewhere else with your art
Where? DeviantArt? Instagram? Tumblr? Spacehey? A gallery? A convention? HERE? There's no place to post it without someone trying to cancel you for making what you want, how you want, as you please. What's the point of expressing yourself and MAKING A STATEMENT AS ART SHOULD BE without someone saying "This is problematic" or "this doesn't say anything" or "this is too distracting" or "it doesn't fit my standards" and then forming a community to MOCK you.

This isn't a rant or anything, it's just, look at the facts. With the rise of AI, art is basically dead except for either consumer centered slop or whatever art you do in private as a hobby. So the fact that you're trying to make this as something deeper than it actually is, well, it's just so weird, like...dude, it's not that deep. You got a guy, who makes something people WANT TO READ and bring THEM joy, they pay him, he keeps doing it, simple as. Why are you so worked up over this?

You keep responding to something that wasn't that deep to begin with. I mean this sincerely, but what's the problem, my guy?

>>149067044
>Where? DeviantArt? Instagram? Tumblr? Spacehey? A gallery? A convention? HERE? There's no place to post it without someone trying to cancel you for making what you want, how you want, as you please. What's the point of expressing yourself and MAKING A STATEMENT AS ART SHOULD BE without someone saying "This is problematic" or "this doesn't say anything" or "this is too distracting" or "it doesn't fit my standards" and then forming a community to MOCK you.
You know that's how most art movements start right? "We got censored so we went and started our own thing!" This isn't new and it will not end.

>>149067127
>You know that's how most art movements start right? "We got censored so we went and started our own thing!" This isn't new and it will not end.
Not with the rise of cancel and lolcow/cringe culture, where all you have to do get a large number of people to come together to RUIN something and humiliate someone for BEING THEMSELVES.

Do you recognize picrel, man? Tell me if you're willing to take this risk. If so, post your art HERE, NOW, and take the risk. Otherwise STFU because you're not an artist, I AM or a I WAS

>>149067166
Are you really trying to censor me while crying about being censored?

>>149067198
>Are you really trying to censor me while crying about being censored?
...No? Who said I was? What?

YISUN as my witness this thread will never attain Royalty

>>149064748
>And where you come to this conclusion because the rest of the board sure as shit doesn't share your analysis
More like the rest of the abbadon discord.
You know very little of the ways of fandoms on /co/

>>149064772
>literally quotes a shonen to make his argument
Basically admitting you got filtered. You wanted flashy and got filtered by the most simple basic bitch's MC denial.

Not even a good shonen Lagann is some of the most vapid series out there.

>>149067733
>You know very little of the ways of fandoms on /co/
I don't think it's any different than most fandoms online or in real life DESU, at least from what I've seen of fandoms who get worked up over nothing

>>149066404
>Once she commits to fighting back she becomes a boring one-note wannabe badass devoid of any hint of what's shaped her beyond generic allusions to depression and shame
You see some of her dreams recently when she confronts the worm

>>149063448 (OP)
Just start at page one and read it: https://killsixbilliondemons.com/comic/kill-six-billion-demons-chapter-1/


The later chapters are slower because the author was busy with his family life. He has 2 children and a wife.

>>149067809
No I'm saying some webcomics threads here are known for being dumping grounds for a much larger Discord server that likes to plays shariah police

Most obvious examples are Unsounded and KSBD. >>149064062 is no random shitpost

>>149067817
>Just start at page one and read it
I'm probably going to. In fact I came here to see if it got good or bad and the conversation is...mixed to say the least, with the middle ground being if I get too excited, don't expect an update for a while to do Abby's personal life and all that.

>>149064049
>Honestly that's what I assumed the Patreon was for at first and THEN KSBD took his priorities. I dunno, I heard the comic jumpstarted from a forum for...I think it was like Homestuck? But yeah, I'm away of the RPG stuff...I wonder if it's successful?
It did start there.
Gog agog and oscar appeared in that version as well.

>>149067837
>dumping grounds for a much larger Discord server that likes to plays shariah police
Who the fuck allows this, honestly?!

>>149067846
>It did start there.
Yeah, I looked it up. The MS Paint Adventure Forums I believe.

>>149067849
How would anyone even notice at a glance? You only get whiffs of forced consensus if you spend an entire quarter posting on every update thread.

Unsounded at one point got so bad it's now customary to warn people from posting there.

>>149067839

My guess is that some backlash may have had to do with this:
The 4th chapter of Breaker of Infinities (the 5th book) had a lot less action and was kinda depressing compared to the chapters before it.
Especially when you were reading a single page that came out every friday and you had to wait a week for the next.
So that may have been less interesting to some of the readers.

>>149067869
>>149064087
>Unsounded at one point got so bad it's now customary to warn people from posting there.
Honestly I always assumed people only read Unsounded because of Sette's feet. I don't read Unsounded, but I've never seen anyone talk about anything else about it...mostly because when they do talk about it in my neck of the woods, it's either in passing or for reasons I just mentioned

>>149067846
>It did start there.
It was fun too

>>149067875
>The 4th chapter of Breaker of Infinities (the 5th book)
One of the other anons told me to stop at Book 3, like don't go to Book 4.
Make of that what you will.

>>149067882
>Honestly I always assumed people only read Unsounded because of Sette's feet.
It's literally the single best written comic in 20 years of the modern webcomic format.

>>149067888
>It was fun too
How so?

>>149067902
Why's that?

>>149067910
it was a shitpost comic about bimbos and demons.
It was clear the author was aiming higher and the homestuck prompt format did not fit it at all, everyone celebrated when he rebooted the comic.

I actually shilled KSBD to Image back before they released their first print.

>>149067917
Because Cope actually studied writing and dialogue, likely from script writing in teather. Either that or she self-taught herself very well.

>>149067928
Interesting stuff

>>149063927
It departed from the whole demon kill count when it left the MSPaintAdventures forums. Since it's been an actual webcomic the demons were far more metaphorical.

>>149067956
Did Riiser mention that? Can't remember, it's been so long, but whatever...

>>149067882
>Unsounded at one point got so bad it's now customary to warn people from posting there.
lmao what?

There's very little overlap between the Unsounded Discord and the /co/ threads. Most of the people on the Discord are very much "oh 4chan is 2spooky4me they do a racism over there"

>>149067882
I'd compare it to Game of Thrones. The books are very dense and there's a lot of politicking going on so you had those fans of the show but a lot of what you heard was people talking about the tits or the violence, that's what's commonly discussed. Going into how the political bullshit is interesting is just too much work in passing. Unsounded has a lot going on that takes more time to engage with. I'd have to write like 10 paragraphs to explain Duane's character arc and why I find it so appealing vs KSBD where you can just post an image and say MAN THIS LOOKS RAD.

>>149067898
you should absolutely read book 4.

Big spoiler, but its when we get to see the fight between jagganoth and the other demiurges, including his fullpower form.
its just the end of the book is a bit slower.

>>149068046
>There's very little overlap between the Unsounded Discord and the /co/ threads. Most of the people on the Discord are very much "oh 4chan is 2spooky4me they do a racism over there"
protip: people lie to keep appearances.

It's very easy to notice when there's off-siters on your thread. Replies to your opinions are uniform, trying to pressure you into agreeing and posted almost simultaneously. Tell tale sign of your post being discussed somewhere else.
You can apply this both to fandom threads on /co/ and even elsewhere on /bant/ or [s4s] when the local discord cabals are trying to control the narrative.
This is your slip into the slope that is all the Incredibly Retarded Bullshit that happens every day on imageboards. Pray you do not slip further.

And Cope herself is glued to the threads and openly replies to post both in her asks and in 4chan, of course the discord would follow her there,

>>149068309
KSBD is dramatically better when you read it all at once compared to reading serially. Abbadon really is just publishing a graphic novel page by page and not really doing a webcomic that understands it's only getting 1 page every week (at best). Allison lounging around for IRL like a year was completely dogshit, as a single volume you can read through all at once it's fine.

>>149068368
>KSBD is dramatically better when you read it all at once compared to reading serially.
are there stories where the opposite is better?

>>149068378
He's gonna cite homestuck in an effort to convince you because he knows there's literally no other way to publish a longform webcomic.

Unless he's thinking gag-a-day shitposts qualify was longform.

>>149068378
Homestuck maybe? Taking part in the fan conversations and energy during the reading is a much different experience than reading it by yourself. But I meant a lot of webcomics are aware they're webcomics so they make concessions to the medium. They make sure each page has a joke, or they pace the story in such a way that it doesn't feel as bad to read page to page. The gap between serial readers and archival readers is lower in those cases.

KSBD doesn't give a fuck. He went out and paced a story where we get Allison doing fuck all moaning and whining for literal years causing most people to despise Allison because reading this 1 page a week was excruciating. Then when you go and read it all at once it is miles and miles better because that's really the intended format. He's kind of acknowledged this recently by taking a couple months off to then release a lot more pages at once so the scene flows better as opposed to drip feeding them.

>>149068356
As someone who has been in Unsounded threads since probably 2012 at the very least and someone who has been on the Discord basically since it came out I think I'm qualified to know when people are cross posting. You'll get some people posting screencaps or something from the threads but then they'll just discuss it over there. They don't want to talk to Anons on /co/, they want to talk to the people in the Discord, that's why they're there.

>>149068424
lmao hard read, I was gonna mention gag-a-day comics too.

Definitely not saying long-form stories shouldn't be webcomics it's more a matter of how the author goes about conveying a long form story. I think having an awareness of the pacing and how it will feel for the audience to be stuck on a page for a week or a month or whatever their update schedule is and taking that into account is how you make the gap between the serial reader and archival reader not as bad which I think is the best you can do. This might involve changing the story but there's hardly only ever one way to tell a specific story, and if one is far more enjoyable to read at the time and still reads well all at once then having an author that will try and make those changes if possible is nice.

>>149068452
Literally every thread that makes it past 100 posts ends up bringing up stuff that only people from the discord know, and again, when you get literally told "don't have this opinion" and get chastised/browbeat for it, it's a tell tale sign of outsiders who don't identify with anonymous discussion ethos, it's just not how an anon with experience in IBs processes conversation. The presence of Discordians is undeniable.

Maybe you don't PM with enough people. General chatrooms in any app are like 40% of the total talk between groupchat members at best. The juicy shit happens privately.

>>149068492
Understand that KSBD is a late comer to a well studied phenomenom.

The only reason they are still talked is because most longforms straight up got abandoned due to similar reasons, and today just don't get made because webtoons completely supplanted the traditional webcomic format. The ones that do have a high risk of abandonment. I read a shitton of longforms and they all suffer from similar problems with the limitations of pacing / the medium and most, MOST artist simply being unaware of what it takes to make a GN length comic. See what happened to Ava's Demon.

KSBD and Unsounded, among others, are special because they refused to die. There's been a lot of comics of similar caliber that eventually just got lost to the Internet.

>>149068598
>KSBD
I wouldn't call it exactly alive. Tom is mostly everyone's friendly daddy figure on discord shitting out lmao 1 page rpg slop one after another nowadays.

>>149068598
>KSBD and Unsounded, among others, are special because they refused to die. There's been a lot of comics of similar caliber that eventually just got lost to the Internet.
Lost to the internet as in readers forgot about them, or the author stopped updating?

>>149068639
Both, but mostly the later.

I can name a bunch of absolutely obscure still ongoing longforms from 10-15 years ago. I do all the time in fact, I get 0 replies. Numbers wise, I think we are pretty close to a 1:10 ongoing vs. abandoned ratio.

>>149068681
here's proof: tabs are my backlog, bookmarks are my reads.

>>149068736
The only one i recognize is ten earth shattering blows

>>149068956
well i recognize the names of the others, but I mean thats the only one i've really read. It's good.


Ok i've read the illustrated guide to law, but idk if that really count as a normal webcomic.

>>149068956
Exactly, and some are just as high effort as Unsounded.

Webcomics are, ultimately, an extremely niche scene whose perception was warped by Homestuck. Unsounded and KSBD are pretty much the state of the art. If you are gonna say "this sucks", you might as well consider you may not like longform serials as a concept.

>>149068968
*i recognize some of the others
>>149068598
KSBD may be a late comer compared to other older webcomics, but its still over a decade old.

What does GN stand for?

I saw some webtoons on the list in your bookmarks. What are your thoughts on the difference between the formats. By long-form do you just mean anything that's not gag a day and do you count stuff on webtoons as long form?

Have you read any comics that transition from gag-a-day to long form? I've read a few.

>>149069006
I don't recognize the comic in your image. I haven't read unsounded (though I plan to start it at some point). I haven't read homestuck (but I have read ms paint adventures).

>>149069040
O Sarilho / The Troop. One of the good new ones, started a mere 10 years ago.

>>149068736
Would you like more long form comics to read?

>>149068681
>I can name a bunch of absolutely obscure still ongoing longforms from 10-15 years ago. I do all the time in fact, I get 0 replies. Numbers wise, I think we are pretty close to a 1:10 ongoing vs. abandoned ratio.
I dont know about unsounded, but I think KSBD has a following here because the author used to post here.

It's the same for some other comics. Like It hurts (and the sequel Please Forgive Me).

>>149068598
Sure, but just because it's a well studied phenomenon doesn't mean it can't be done better. Unsounded is one of the ones I would say does it better, it's still not equal to reading it all at once but the serial experience is more enjoyable than the serial experience of KSBD. Unsounded might be 60/100 while KSBD is 30/100. And it's because the author takes active steps to make the serial reading experience more enjoyable (or less miserable) by doing things like posting multiple pages at once in the middle of a climatic scene so people don't lose their minds or come up with ridiculous theories to go crazy with in between pages, by having a regular posting schedule, by having a decent enough output, by cutting things from the comic that would have caused things to drag on. All these things are from an awareness of that fact that it's a page by page release format of webcomics and a decision to make that experience less awful. KSBD has done none of these except somewhat recently he's posted a few pages at once that go all together. All this is to say that KSBD is definitely up there in terms of long form webcomics but it is far, far more enjoyable to read as a graphic novel than individual pages, much more so than other webcomics.

>There's been a lot of comics of similar caliber that eventually just got lost to the Internet.

Different topic but this is kind of hard to say, there are plenty of stories that are great in the first 50 pages/chapters/etc. but absolutely fall off once the story expands out and has to keep going. If a webcomic that was supposed to be 1000 pages is fantastic for 100 but then dies I wouldn't say it's the same caliber because 90% of the story didn't happen and beginnings are the easiest thing to make compelling before you have to pay the piper for all the narrative promises you've made. This is true for a other long form serial media such as comics and manga as well.

>>149069133
It's a weird thing to notice, but you right. Kind of a funny coincidence. Weird because back when longforms were popular actively hunted for new comics. I don't think the authors posting on the boards truly impacted what webcomics survived co losing interest in the medium.

>>149069093
i can always add more tabs lol

>>149069023
>What are your thoughts on the difference between the formats.
Completely cripples it, but doesn't make it entirely unenjoyable.

>Have you read any comics that transition from gag-a-day to long form? I've read a few.
Yes but I sincerely forgot which. It's not uncommon.

>GN
Graphic Novel

>>149069212
>Unsounded might be 60/100 while KSBD is 30/100. And it's because the author takes active steps to make the serial reading experience more enjoyable
This is, comics that go full HTML are rare. That's why homestuck was such a hit, and no comic ever had made it that way. The vast, vast majority of non gag-a-day webcomics are more like KSBD than any thing else.

Unsounded tries, but it's minimal, like once every 100 pages. The rest is normal fare.

>by cutting things from the comic that would have caused things to drag on.
This is explicitly because Cope did the numbers and realized she'll grow old before finishing the entire thing as it was.

>>149068554
>bringing up stuff that only people from the discord know
Such as?

>>149069667
>cope is the actual last name of unsounded's author
lol

>>149069815
It does remind me of when moot's name was revealed as Christopher Poole and people were absolutely sure it was a prank because it's CP.

>>149069667
>>Have you read any comics that transition from gag-a-day to long form? I've read a few.
>Yes but I sincerely forgot which. It's not uncommon.
Off top the of my head, two I have read that kinda do that are 'Order of the Stick', and 'Ennui Go!'

OOTs has been going since 2003. Ennuigo since about 2015.
They're both very different comics though. The latter somehow has more pages despite having better art and starting a decade later.


Oglaf kinda did the opposite, it started off with a plot then the characters have disappeared for a long time.

>>149069402
>i can always add more tabs lol
What kinda long form are you looking for. Is it anything at all?
I saw that you are willing to read webtoons, even stuff like lore olympus which seems to be heavily targeted at a female romance fan demographic.

>>149068309
Book 4 is the Ring of Power tournament arc. Book 5 is the Multiversal War (and depression arc). Book 6 is rallying the forces, bringing the Worm to heel, and finallu shit kicking back off, where we are now. End of 5 and start of 6 is "slow" but I think still worth reading.

>>149069936
yeah i forgot which books are which . idk why they would say to skip book 4.

>>149068956
Fuck yeah TESB. Anyone who likes K6BD should read it. Mad Max on lizards. Nuff said.

>>149064094
>>149064033

I got some of those games for free when he was giving them out a few months ago.
I only really read the Maleghast game pdf, which is more a wargame than a RPG. But they all have pretty cool looking settings. He could easily write stories in them after this.
He also made a short rpg book for KSBD.

>>149069850
Ennui part 2 is absolutely great. Watching the internet's worst porn artist becomes the internet's best colorist has been a trip.

no way OOTs is from 2003. Gag-a-day? Is there a previous iteration I'm not aware of?

>>149069869
I read Olympus exclusively just to hate it because holy shit every single character in that book deserves getting punched.

I'm not averse to romance, I think most comics I read have some of it. But manwa super teenage stuff is a bit below my age demographic unless the art is real good.

Pic rel's lovers arcs is a bit of what I think of with romance

>>149067910
It had a looser and more comedic tone, it was very much still just prototype k6bd but it had its merits. I think Oscar was a better lackey than Cio honestly.

>>149063847
Why do I dislike Maya so much?

>>149067917
It has professional-grade art, the characters are all fully formed with their own arcs and motivations, the story is planned ahead years in advance for the most part, and it is one of the most consistently updated comics across its almost two decades-long existence. The fact it's at the quality that it is AND has had close to zero hiatuses across its lifespan beyond the time between chapters to restore the update buffer is a feat in and of itself. Most long webcomics either are so low quality it's piss easy to consistently churn them out or they author suffers from a hiatus death spiral that eventually leads to it being unceremoniously abandoned yet Unsounded keeps on trucking.

>>149070054
>Ennui part 2 is absolutely great. Watching the internet's worst porn artist becomes the internet's best colorist has been a trip.

I wouldn't say they are the worst, but almost none of it was appealing to me in a sexual way. I pretty much agree with you though, everything else about the comic was significantly better. Part 1 is good, but it still has porno scenes.


>no way OOTs is from 2003. Gag-a-day? Is there a previous iteration I'm not aware of?
https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0001.html

The first page came out in 2003. IIRC Rich Burlew, the author, said that he originally didn't intend for it to have a plot, but that changes fairly early on. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Order_of_the_Stick#History )
Most of the early strips are just loosely connected gags.

There are also non canon strips that appeared in Dragon magazine (and were collected in a bonus book).

>>149070171
>I wouldn't say they are the worst,
Nigga he gave moon over june a run for their money.

>>149063847
This edit is great.

>>149070171
>The first page came out in 2003. IIRC Rich Burlew, the author, said that he originally didn't intend for it to have a plot, but that changes fairly early on. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Order_of_the_Stick#History )
>Most of the early strips are just loosely connected gags.
Ah shit
I confused it with OOTs aka out of placers

>>149070183
>Nigga he gave moon over june a run for their money.

Hmm, maybe i've blocked out the porno strips.

Maybe you could say it fits with izzy becoming debauched due to having too much money.

>>149070148
>Most long webcomics either are so low quality it's piss easy to consistently churn them out or they author suffers from a hiatus death spiral that eventually leads to it being unceremoniously abandoned yet Unsounded keeps on trucking.
Speaking of low quality, most webtoons use blatantly obvious 3d models.
You'll probably notice how the plates seem to be polygons.

>>149070227
3D models are extremely common in asian comics, it's normalized because lol black & white. Of course, webtoons suffer because they need to be colored.

It's not like modern floppies are any different these days.

>>149064669
Gooner cope

>>149064583
Nta but I have a love hate relationship with this comic because I do think Alison sucks I hate her character and the worse part is I don't know why. I like the other side protagonist bit for so teason she and the sword woman mentor piss me off to no avail anf I can't quite put my finger why.

>>149070144
She's boring. Perpetually constipated invincible one trick pony.

>>149070268
codependences develop from severe infatuation.

>>149069850
Ennui Go! is deeply enjoyable to me as a Floridian because it'll be pretty chill and then some random Florida joke that hits so well. The one about the orange juice aisle fucking killed me.

>>149070248
>3D models are extremely common in asian comics, it's normalized because lol black & white. Of course, webtoons suffer because they need to be colored.
>It's not like modern floppies are any different these days.

There are few webtoons which are in black & white. Nocturne is one of them. But its just a collection of horror short stories rather than longform stuff. Im pretty sure its junji ito inspired.

I think it uses 3d models, but the style of the comic makes it harder to notice.

>>149070300
Attitude means a lot, her arc enemy is a disgusting depraved lich of a twink and I like him more than that sanctimonious hag.

>>149064087
anon... you are not alone

>>149067869
i think you mean to say the 'unsounded discord' because the only warning I know about the comic directly except all the dead kids is the 'sette filter' with her being such a cunt that it scares off the reader. I dont fuck with discord at all but i do read the tumblr because its a way to interact with the author and characters while it's a form of 'living art' somthing not exclusive to unsounded but certainly unique.

>>149070054
I haven't heard of alethia before, so I can't compare that to any of the webtoons i read.

>>149070300
>>149070422
maya and incubus are hilarious and i'm convinced they could carry their own webcomic

>>149070694
they are exceptionally poor swordsmen

Do the people here know about his fat girl art account?

>>149063448 (OP)
Loved it years ago, but it seems like one of those webcomics that just went on too long and sort of 'lost the plot'. K6BD, Ava's Demon, Gunnerkrigg Court, Endtown, Out of Placers, Outsiders, etc. Sometimes it's down to long hiatuses dragging a meager number of updates out, sometimes it's just too much meandering with a plot, but people need to learn to wrap shit up instead of dragging it out for decades. There's only long you can string an audience along.

>>149070054
Lore Olympus is finished now and behind daily pass. Are you hate reading one episode per day?

>>149067898
Recently, there is an autist that lurks this board that shows up in every KSBD thread that spergs “dead webcomic dead thread”. I noticed that there is a sub-class of anti-fandom who are obsessed with how often patreon creators publish content

>>149063448 (OP)
It's a treasure trove. Don't go any close to the community, though, they've trannied out long ago

>>149071792

this is what happens when you dont finish writing your story before you start publishing

>>149072797
Even if you finish writing the story there’s plenty of things that can cause delays to drawing

>>149073358
Sure, but it's usually pretty obvious when a story is stalling because of reasonable delays versus when it's meandering because the creator has no fucking idea where the story should be going.

>>149071630
>Do the people here know about his fat girl art account?

For architecture majors only: tummysupremacy.bsky.social

>>149073541
Nice to see him get back into it after the brief /d/ stuff

>>149069967
Are there other webcomics with a similar feel?

Something that has distantly similar vibe of a mysterious world was Basileus.
I found out about it on /co/. The thing is that it started in 2012, and has only finished 92 pages (the first book)
I think the author is going to close the website or stop updating at some point: http://www.basileuscomic.com
but you can download the full thing for free on his itch io: https://basileus.itch.io/basileusbook1

>>149068681
>I can name a bunch of absolutely obscure still ongoing longforms from 10-15 years ago. I do all the time in fact, I get 0 replies. Numbers wise, I think we are pretty close to a 1:10 ongoing vs. abandoned ratio.
I can name a few from that far back. Though they may not be as many or as obscure as others you know. Off the top of my head, true magic and goblins.

True magic started in 2003, and rebooted in 2008.
It always seemed interesting to me yet updated at a snails pace. But in 2024 or so, the author actually decided that new updates would be prose with pictures rather than fully illustrated so they could update more often and actually finish the comic.


Goblins apparently started a little later in 2005 or so, it's also slowly updating. It's definitely more well known than the other, since its /tg/ material based on D&D 3.5.

>>149068046
>I'd compare it to Game of Thrones.
Hmmm...I was thinking of doing a binge of Martin's work and anything related to it. I'll put that on the list

>>149064669
almost like being a homosexual is genetic and not a choice. nature trumps nurture

>>149068681
Every day I pray for an update for Outsider

>>149073866
huh those are actually more in the 20 years ago range.

Another one from that range is Girl Genius which started in 2001 or 2002. It's actively updating but gets mentioned on here rarely.
However it's won multiple hugo awards, so its actually pretty successful: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girl_genius#Awards


GrrlPower started in 2010 (which is now 15 years ago anon). I dont think i've really seen much discussion of it on here.
It has interesting super powers, but its basically slop in some ways.
I still follow it for some reason. However, It's fairly successful for a webcomic as it gets 6000 dollars a month on patreon.

>>149072797
In the case of Outsider the hiatuses got out of control because the author insisted on creating fully realized 3D model interiors of the all spaceships that serve as set piece locations, which led to predictable burnout since the plot involved a fair amount of moving from ship to ship.

You could’ve just read the comic by now, in the same time it would take to read this terrible thread.

>>149073866
>>>I can name a bunch of absolutely obscure still ongoing longforms from 10-15 years ago. I do all the time in fact, I get 0 replies. Numbers wise, I think we are pretty close to a 1:10 ongoing vs. abandoned ratio.
>I can name a few from that far back. Though they may not be as many or as obscure as others you know. Off the top of my head, true magic and goblins.
Another one from 10 years ago is Feast for a king. It started in 2014, and has over 8000 pages. I think its like 1/3 or 1/2 of the way done apparently.

https://feastforaking.com/comic/chapter-one/

It's not as successful as those previous two I mentioned. But i've actually seen fanart for it from 4chan.

Another ongoing from over 10 years ago, is Awful Hospital. it also started in 2014.

This is a bit like MSPA (or early ksbd) in that it had a lot of reader interaction.

This was a bit of a mixed media one, kinda like MSPA or homestuck. You had videos, flash animations, comics, and text. It's still on going.
https://bogleech.com/awfulhospital/intro

It updates kinda slowly.

>>149072238
Couldn't care less, I reading enough shit that it will be finished by the next time I remember to check it out.

Basic bitches will never get a cent from me.

>>149070353
3d models with hand drawn art? i'd be surprised. thanks for the rec

>>149071792
Outsider never lost the plot, it literally began 2 years ago

Gunnerkrigg, definitely. Endtown only "lost" the plot because the entire fandom had a 100% different idea what it was gonna be.

Ava's Demon... is it sitll active? haven't checked it out in at least 5 years.

>>149063448 (OP)
It's pretty good up until Chapter 5, which is what we're in now, because it loses momentum quite badly, but it seems like it's picking up again, but it will be done soon.

Also, part of the creator's reputation is because he is partially responsible for designing the TTRPG "LANCER" which is pretty popular, but has a very dedicated audience of autistic trannies who will throw money at him for the rest of his life because of LANCER

>>149074501
>3d models with hand drawn art? i'd be surprised.

I think some of the backgrounds might be photos or a filter of some kind.

Most webtoons use 3 models for the characters.

>>149074201
Girl Genious is only webcomic by technicality, Foglio is firmly an indie comics publisher.

>>149074354
>>149074420
huh these are new to, thanks senpai I'll note them down.

>>149074505
>Also, part of the creator's reputation is because he is partially responsible for designing the TTRPG "LANCER" which is pretty popular, but has a very dedicated audience of autistic trannies who will throw money at him for the rest of his life because of LANCER
exclusively a /tg/ problem and blown out of proportion desu.

>>149074620
>exclusively a /tg/ problem and blown out of proportion desu.
you have no idea how much trannies love LANCER

>>149074501
>Outsider never lost the plot, it literally began 2 years ago
It'll be 24 years old this October.

>>149074148
The Patreon WIPs are about 50 pages ahead of the site

>>149074747
I mean the *plot* lol

>>149073866
>I can name a few from that far back. Though they may not be as many or as obscure as others you know.
Gonna keep naming them as I remember them.
Another old one that came to mind now:
https://superredundant.com/?comic=meet-the-gang

League of Super Redundant heroes. This one started in 2011. I think I may have found this through tvtropes.

It's been a while since I read this one; i sometimes fail to keep reading after catching up. While it had continuity from the start, there wasn't any over-arching plots at first. It's funny, but its not as good as the others.

Something of note is the fact that it originally had Four different artists at the same time, each taking turns with the art.

One of the them was the artist of what is probably the more well known "Two Guys and Guy" (aka twogag) which was a gag-a-day comic.
Incidentally, while twogag has ended, that artist (or someone with a very similar art style) might be making ecchi comics as LeFauxCreux.

>>149075407
>Something of note is the fact that it originally had Four different artists at the same time, each taking turns with the art.
Only 1 of the artists is still there though. I dont remember if all of them were writing or if it was only some of them.


another series that did this was toonhole. However it's not a longform comic, but rather stand alone gag comics. They originally started in 2010 with 4-5 artists making gag comics I don't know if any of them actually quit, but only 2 are regularly posting pages. With a 3rd posting less often.

>>149063448 (OP)
you know this guy wrote (not drew) a wolverine infinity comic? It's nothing special but it does exist

>>149075537
God I fucking hate infinity comics.

>>149075537
>>149075556
Small world. While it doesn't look that interesting, the fact that Abby got ANY kind of clout in the mainstream is nothing to sneeze at...mostly because I've seen WAY too many artists have high hopes and ZERO talent, so...make of that what you will.

>>149075537
The art looks like his.
Is it just the cover?

>>149075708
>Is it just the cover?
I'd like to think so. I think Bryan Lee O'Malley did something for Marvel or DC (can't remember which) back in the day and all he did was the cover and MAYBE a story or two. That's what I think is going on here.

>>149073696
I really liked Sword Interval, by Ben Fleuter (who happens to be a friend of Abbadon's). Angry tomboy and her deadbeat burnout mentor go demon hunting during the end of the world. Set on Earth, but deeply haunted and also monster-infested. Cosmic horror; liches get stitches. It's on Webtoon but it's finished and was done quite well. Ben if you read this please print the rest someday

>>149063938
They aren't hot dykes. The main character isn't attractive at the end, she's a butch scarred thing. And she's fucking retarded too.

>>149075407

Dr mcninja ran for about thirteen years, but it’s finished, and might be popular on co. I think it also got printed versions and was notable enough to get a wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Adventures_of_Dr._McNinja
Its creator has worked on some of the big 2 cape comics

Now for something I doubt anyone here has heard of; https://rustyandco.com/comic/level-1-title/
Rusty and Co is probably one of the more obscure ones I’ve mentioned so far. It’s an D&D inspired comic about an adventuring party of a mimic, gelatinous cube, and a rust monster.
It’s got a plot line from the start despite being comedic. Each chapter is a new mission.
Started in 2009 and still ongoing. The art starts out stiff but definitely gets better . It’s quality is reasonable for the time period.
I haven’t read it in years and just remembered it and will have to catch up

Honestly, does KSBD "go anywhere"? I like the art but I really couln't give less of a shit about the characters and because of that things are starting to feel hollow. I last read this a couple months ago around the point Alison entered a tournament.

>>149075857
It definitely wasn’t D&D by the books

>>149075849
Royalty

>>149075896
Doesn't make it any more appealing to read about idiots who will somehow still win just because they go "no I'm too stupid to understand this doesn't work" and have the setting openly agree that it's better to not think.

>>149075849
>They aren't hot dykes. The main character isn't attractive at the end, she's a butch scarred thing. And she's fucking retarded too.
If this is the same Anon then thanks for confirming my thoughts because I KNEW what this comic was about the moment I saw the images and not the plot. If a female is the lead in a modern story you know what's going to happen, no ifs, ands or buts about it: bland dyke shit. Simple as.

>>149075865
Its moving forward at sub glacial pace but it really doesn't feel like it's going to go anywhere.
>>149075773
>Ben Fleuter
Lmao he draws like a parody of a tumblurina now.

>>149075865
We're finally approaching the end. It remains to be seen whether Abby will stick the landing or deliberately fuck it all up at the last minute for the sake of subverting expectations.

>>149063448 (OP)
The art is good, the story blows. The worldbuilding is all taken from Kirkbride's TES stuff and Hinduism (the same as Kirkbride's TES stuff was).

>>149064465
Where is the beard edit that made this arc so godly.
anyone know where the beard edits are?

>>149075982
>The art is good, the story blows
That's what I'm getting from this thread. Also...

>>149075933
>Its moving forward at sub glacial pace but it really doesn't feel like it's going to go anywhere.
Sounds fair enough.

>>149064087
WHY is this comic's RESOLUTION so BAD?

>>149076022
So you can give her a dolla on patreon and get higher res.

>>149075407
Three more old long form ones I’ve read:

https://www.howtobeawerewolf.com/comic/coming-february-3rd
This started in 2015. It’s probably the best of these three.


Spinnerette started in 2010, but it might be well known here:
https://www.spinnyverse.com/comic/02-09-2010
A girl gets six arms and spider powers.


Miss Melee started in 2015 and recently finished: https://miss-melee.com/comic/1-0/
About a martial artist vigilante and her daughter.
It would have turned ten in September . Though the author says she will return.


It’s been a while since I read any of these three and can’t remember them that well.

>>149075865
Not the last few years. It's supposedly "approaching the end", but it feels more like it's gonna just sort of end rather than having any real climax or denouement.

>>149064013
That's from Vivec's sermons.

I’d mention lookism which started in 2014, but it’s English version started officially in 2017 and it’s got a Netflix adaptation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lookism_(manhwa)

It doesn’t get much attention on co, but it’s too successful to act like it needs it badly.
It’s probably because Chinese and Korean comics don’t fit clearly on a or co
>>149075773
>>149070148
Lookism’s genre has changed a lot. I think PTJ treats it as a cash cow and has been dragging it out intentionally.
It uses 3d models, and the guy loves his tracing own panels to an absurd extent. There’s running Easter eggs in the comic involving it.

>>149075933
You mean Sever and Pierce? He does the layouts and for that but the actual art is done by Natasha Petrovic. If you check Ben's socials you can see him doing new art in his usual grungy style.

>>149076052
We still have to figure out the deal with Zoss and metatron

>>149075922
Not sure who you're talking about, I'm just pointing out that the main character certainly isn't attractive in any conventional way. You can't even enjoy her being clever because Royalty requires you to be too dumb to understand you shouldn't be able to do something.

>>149075922
There are some hot girls around. The angel turns into a delicious brown chick.

>>149076638
>Not sure who you're talking about
There was an anon who was going to say something and I pointed out they got cut off, so...never mind I guess.

>>149076653
Ah. Yeah that wasn't me.
I just wanted to warn you not to expect any hot lesbians or anything.

>>149076150
I like Flueter but I noped out pretty early with Sever and Pierce

>>149076693
>I just wanted to warn you not to expect any hot lesbians or anything.
I don't really fucking care to be honest. It's just SO obvious this guy made money pandering. If it's THAT easy to get rich by doing that with terminally online losers with gender identity issues, everyone should do it...

>>149075997
the story is fine. how about you read it and draw your own conclusions?

>>149075865
You could, you know, read it, instead of asking people to decide your opinion for you?

>>149064772
Cio had a few memorable quirks. Hell, her ability to call bullshit on all the bullshit going on was desperately needed and is sorely missed.
Big epic stories like this benefit greatly from a jaded shmoe there going "oh this is bullshit." Hell, Cio was better at being an "everyman" that the audience could side with than Allison. Allison reached a point where she was going along with DESTINY stuff while Cio was going "this is stupid as fuck and we're all going to die, argh I wish I didn't find you so fucking hot, I'd ditch you in a heartbeat you beautiful sexy moron." I could get behind THAT a lot more easily than whatever Allison and her crew have become at this stage.

>>149074505
People claim it "lost momentum" because of the Jadis arc, which was important for exposition, and it came off the back of a world - destroying super tournament arc. I don't get the "lost momentum" argument at all. It was a calm chapter after a very extreme chapter.

>>149076614

>>149075922
>OP made this thread to support his comformation bias
I pity you. You are completely brainwashed.

>>149076738
>the story is fine. how about you read it and draw your own conclusions?
For sure. Gonna check out Books 1 - 3 and see if I'm wrong. I HOPE I'm wrong but, well, you never know until you try it. I think my local comic shop has trades of it. If not, I'll see if I can squeeze reading the webcomic into my work schedule and go from there

>>149076797
>You are completely brainwashed.
No...YOU are if you can't hear other people's opinions or don't think critically. I never said I wasn't going to read it. I DO. I just want to hear what others think so I know what to expect. I'm not wasting my time over this.

>>149076728
No, I'm sorry OP, but you're just wrong. Abby isn't pandering for money.
Everything about the comic and stand on its own merit; the story, the art, the characters, etc.
It's not like Abby was making this book and was like, "I'm going to make a straight hetero couple." then looked at his bank account and number of followers and said to himself, "You know what? I should make everyone gay to make my comic more popular."

It's incredible that that's where your mind goes, and you should really take a good look inward and re-evaluate yourself as a person.

>>149076849
>Everything about the comic and stand on its own merit; the story, the art, the characters, etc.
Let's hear it then. We've done the art, why do you like the story and characters, then? Because unfortunately the rest of the thread doesn't share your opinion, especially in regards to Allison and the whole "it's lost the plot" stuff you've seen everywhere here.

If you want to prove everyone wrong here, now your chance and we're all listening

>>149076813
Well, okay then. I'm glad to hear that, actually. But I feel like you've already colored your bias by making this thread. I hope you can still remain objective.

>>149076869
>I hope you can still remain objective.
For SURE. As I said, my opinion is my own. Maybe I completely disagree or agree with the thread. But as you can see, not everyone here thinks the same...and neither do I. So when I finish, maybe I'll come out of it with opinions different than everyone else.

Make of that what you will.

>>149076865
It's not high-literature. It's just someone's fun fantasy adventure. Complaining about the story and characters is strange. It would be like "attacking" Akira Toriyama for having bad plots, or 2-diemntional characters. It's not that deep because it's not trying to be that deep. However, the lore and goes surprisingly deep. There's so much about the history of the world that isn't included in the GN itself. It's all written into companion appendices.

That said, the characters are generally more complex than a typical Shonen manga. You watch as the MC goes from being meek, unsure and unwilling, to someone who is self-affirmed and confident. A total transformation. The other character that faces as identity-crisis is her friend and first master, that goes from self-loathing... well, she's still dealing with hangs about feeling unworthy, imposter's syndrome. Her story is still developing. Her master, is having an opposite character arc, going from infallible god-king to realizing he's may have been wrong the whole time.

There's really too many characters to talk about how they've changed over the many pages, but I think it's unfair to say that the story is "bad" or that the characters are "boring" when both aspects are genuinely interesting.

But most people see anything that they think might have a gay person or a tranny and just write it off because they themselves hate gays and trannies.

>>149076769
Maya and incubus are still chuunis at heart.

>>149076865
You, know, every time there is a new update, we have a /K6BD/ thread.

Why not browse the archive? All those threads must still be there.

>>149076965
>It's not high-literature. It's just someone's fun fantasy adventure. Complaining about the story and characters is strange. It would be like "attacking" Akira Toriyama for having bad plots, or 2-diemntional characters. It's not that deep because it's not trying to be that deep.
People will call you media illiterate for thinking this. Not ME, mind you, but just know some fart-sniffers don't share your belief of a fun adventure, everything has to have something DEEP or some shit. Not saying it can't be, just that it automatically HAS to be.
>However, the lore and goes surprisingly deep. There's so much about the history of the world that isn't included in the GN itself. It's all written into companion appendices.
Is it like LOTR where it's a nice side dish, or does it feel like a lot of bad fantasies where more effort was put into that then the actual story...that might sound like a stupid and obvious question but think clearly to avoid people ridiculing you for liking this in the near future.

>That said, the characters are generally more complex than a typical Shonen manga. You watch as the MC goes from being meek, unsure and unwilling, to someone who is self-affirmed and confident. A total transformation. The other character that faces as identity-crisis is her friend and first master, that goes from self-loathing... well, she's still dealing with hangs about feeling unworthy, imposter's syndrome. Her story is still developing. Her master, is having an opposite character arc, going from infallible god-king to realizing he's may have been wrong the whole time.
That's all there is to it then. If you believe that's what makes Allison compelling, fuck what others think man. That's all you had to say. Well done.

>I think it's unfair to say that the story is "bad" or that the characters are "boring" when both aspects are genuinely interesting.
Well, like I said, not everyone hear agrees, so it's all a matter of mixed messages

>>149077027
>Why not browse the archive? All those threads must still be there.
I hope. Like I said, I'll either pick up a copy at my local comic shop if they still have any or binge it when I have free time. Wish me luck

>>149077048
>Is it like LOTR where it's a nice side dish, or does it feel like a lot of bad fantasies where more effort was put into that then the actual story...that might sound like a stupid and obvious question but think clearly to avoid people ridiculing you for liking this in the near future.
More like LOTR. And I'm not worried about ridicule. Most people's complaints about K6BD is, "muh gays muh trannies muh update rates" it's all so tiresome.

>>149077048
>That's all there is to it then. If you believe that's what makes Allison compelling, fuck what others think man. That's all you had to say. Well done.
Thanks. Your approval means so much to me.

>>149077082
>And I'm not worried about ridicule. Most people's complaints about K6BD is, "muh gays muh trannies muh update rates" it's all so tiresome.
Your better than most people. People won't realize they're being baited and sperg out for someone having a different opinion. If you're willing to have a decent conversation with me on this, then you obviously know better than most idiots online...but BE AWARE, alright?

>>149077060
Good Luck OP. You're not so bad, if not a little odd.

>>149077091
>Thanks. Your approval means so much to me.
No need to thank me. Just...be the way you are now and everything will be alright. Most people fail on that front.

>>149077097
>You're not so bad, if not a little odd
I've been trying to refigure my life out right now. As I said I have a job so I don't have too many breaks and free time and I feel like I'm going in circles in life, and paranoid about making the wrong decisions...it's all so exhausting.

>>149069006
>>149069078
O Sarilho is legit one of the best webcomics I've found in the last few years. Fantastic art, well written characters, updates pretty regularly even though the creator is working on a PhD at the same time.

>>149069967
>Fuck yeah TESB. Anyone who likes K6BD should read it. Mad Max on lizards. Nuff said.
Honestly I think it's a better comic at this point. Better art, better story, I just wish Nuclearpasta could update more often.

Remember: To Obtain Royalty, Reach Heaven Through Violence.

>>149077117
Hang tough bro. We'll make it.

>>149077138
>Hang tough bro. We'll make it.
Thanks. YOUR approval means so much to me.

>>149070054
>I'm not averse to romance, I think most comics I read have some of it. But manwa super teenage stuff is a bit below my age demographic unless the art is real good.
The thing I've read that is probably closest to a traditional romance genre is Golden Boar.
It's made by the same lady who wrote monster pulse. She's the wife of the guy who wrote gunnerkrigg court.
https://www.monster-pulse.com/goldenboar/prologue

All the other romance stuff I've read is more unusual. At one point I was reading a webtoon called love me to death which is a throuple involving a reanimated corpse (made by the same people who wrote room of swords).

>All the other romance stuff I've read is more unusual.
maybe its hyperbolic for me to say all of it is usual, but a lot of it is probably weird.

I don't really go looking for comics in the romance genre, so I don't know what's typical for that and can't make a good comparison, but lots of stories have it as a background theme.

I'd say only a few of the comics I read have romance (potential or otherwise) as major part of the story. I can't really think of many that are healthy.

In green knight (by mathi praz), the main character is a knight who was cursed and turned into a frog. He had a fairy as a possible love interest and sidekick. I dont remember off the top of my head how far their relationship got.
It started in 2014. That comic's main arc was complete but the sequel arc ended with an indefinite hiatus in 2023 without finishing. I think the writer used to post in the /hyw/ generals, i found the comic in a recomendation thread on /co/.

>>149074501
If you are looking for stuff in black & white, you might like Hellbound. It's a korean horror webtoon. It got a netflix adaptation.

>>149069402
>i can always add more tabs lol
I'm trying to create good list of recomendation (in general, not just for this thread), but idk if I should explain what the comics are or just give out names/links.

>>149076749
>You could, you know, read it, instead of asking people to decide your opinion for you?
What's wrong with asking "does this shit get better?" ?

>>149077471
The comic is good. Read it.

The weakest parts are probably because it was comign out one page a week.

>>149077082
It became a slog because the most fun character died.
Right before a figurine of her went on sale, lol. "Hey fans! Buy this reminder of when the comic was much better!"
And then the company making it turned out to be a bunch of grifters and nobody got what they paid for. Layers of salt in the wound.

>>149077493
she returned. as nukoku

>>149067846
The funny thing is that it outlasted the other big thing of the time
Man I can't even remember what it was called. Worms? People couldn't shut up about that thing

>>149077515
>She "returned"
>As a character that looks, acts, talks, and thinks differently

>>149077493
>most fun character died
Early Cio =/= late Cio. Late Cio post Yre was a constant wet blanket. Besides the Allicio fusion she dragged down every scene.

>>149077533
is the other big thing you are referring to, another mspaint forum comic?

>>149077574
It would be a boring world if we all had the same opinions. Baffled that you would find "once you go demon you'll never be leavin'" a wet blanket though.

>>149068378
Welcome to Nightvale really benefits from spaced out episodes.

>>149077676
>Welcome to Nightvale really benefits from spaced out episodes.
How so? Like I would assume it would be better binged and not with gaps but maybe I'm reading this wrong. In my gut I assumed you meant episodic and not serialized and if that sounds stupid, like I said, I might be reading this wrong, lol

>>149077628
The way she kept nagging Allison to give up and run away is why I call her a wet blanket.
>posting a page just before Allicio
You've further cemented my opinion. This was peak Cio, shame she died before she kept the momentum.

>>149077739
>The way she kept nagging Allison to give up and run away

Allison's "plan" WAS shit. Cio called it shit in entertaining ways.
Compare to the current story, where Allison is just sort of stomping forward with nobody really questioning her sanity. Some people knock the infrequent updates, but frequency isn't going to make this any less of a slog toward a conclusion.

>>149075991
>anyone know where the beard edits are?
Edit anon here, looks like the mega got nuked. Probably due to inactivity. Anyways, reuploaded what I have here:
mega.nz/folder/zpV0EKbA#c_-6O4XBcy2cJug5Z1IuXQ
Edits start at pic related. Someone else might want to save these in case the mega gets nuked again.

>>149077968
Cio didn't even call out Allison's plan. That was White Chain. Cio just had a melty because she wanted to hold Allison back and forever stay in that house and rub clams.

>>149078063
Hello, editanon. How have you been?

>>149078097
I'm doing pretty well. Been tinkering with video editing software, but mostly being a piece of shit that plays video games all day.

>>149078063
Oh, that’s a good point. The lesbian relationship became such a meme, the phrase, “Fuck all this lesbian shit. I just want to go fishing.”, led to possibly the greatest edit campaign that this board has ever seen.

>>149078160
Nah, you’re good. Any plans for any more K6BD edits?

>>149078189
I could see myself doing some more beard edits if (when) Scrunchie Drawer shows up again.

>>149078063
desuarchvie will have them but they wont be colelcted in one thread

>>149078063
Please know you were the reason why I started reading K6BD. That is all.

>>149078851
lol

>>149079263
He´s not the only one, pic related made me originally check what the fuck is going on in this webcomic that could lead to it.

>>149078063
oh man, I was missing some of these.

>>149077493
early cio was better, i dislike that they anthroized her just to make her dateable. The normie-ization of the devils is something I resent.

>>149077198
anon is that romance or a fetish comic

>>149070460
A 6 part longform, an android falls on to a society of other androids and travels the world meeting different allegories of social alienation. It was exquisitely good, but was sadly abandoned right at the final chapter

>>149079519
>anon is that romance or a fetish comic
Could be both.

>>149079519
>early cio was better, i dislike that they anthroized her just to make her dateable. The normie-ization of the devils is something I resent.
what are your thoughts on nukoku?

>>149077121
>well written characters
except for open transgenderism in a society borrowed straight from renaissance europe.
There are some alarms there that throw me into "PLS DONT SUCK" states.

>>149079555
The eye is too much.

>>149079617
So if she keeps her face covered it’s fine?

>>149080037
I don't know, she's undercooked so far. Conceptually it's a design, but what is her point in the plot right now? Black flame royalty? becoming the new Himself?

>>149080072
Well she just reappeared in the previous arc.

>>149080072
Undercooked is a great way to describe her. Her design screams that soon she will get character development

>>149079519
Tthere’s a plot there. it’s not (just) a fetish comic.

it might have the authors fetishes, but I’m not sure which ones that would be. The image doesn’t tell the whole story.

The other comic the author wrote before golden boar, had a vaguely similar premise.
In monster pulse the story followed a bunch of kids who had bonded monsters pets created from their body parts. The main character in that comic controlled one created from their heart. One of her friends is bald because her monster was created from her hair.

In golden boar they’re bonded to humanoids created from the spirits of dead animals.
I’m just gonna quote the about page
> Updates Tuesdays & Thursdays! The Golden Boar is a 16+ fantasy comic set on the secluded island of Moonforest. The reclusive community living there has found a way to learn the secrets of magic, but are beset at night by spirits of the beasts of the forest, looking to take the secrets back. A chosen few, called Summoners, are able to call forth their own Guardian Beasts to fight them. One ambitious young Summoner is excited to call her own Guardian, but she ends up with something too hot for her to handle...
https://www.monster-pulse.com/about-golden-boar
I wouldn’t be surprised if the author thought to herself, what if I take the premise of my previous comic and make it sexy.
So there’s multiple possible fetish elements. It’s probably not just ugly bastard and size diff.

Unlike the titular golden boar who is the fat guy sitting behind (and summoned by) the short red woman, most of the other beasts look more conventionally attractive. For instance, Two of the women in the comic have summoned annoying twinks.

>>149077723
I do mean that Nightvale is better with breaks in between listening to it. Because time passes in between episodes in universe,and because the show follows a pattern that can get repetitive listening to many episodes together. Some of the longer arcs even do better binged because they break this pattern.

>>149081261
>is better with breaks in between listening to it. Because time passes in between episodes in universe,
How long are the breaks because this is what killed off Marble Hornets and other ARG series that had no set schedule?

>>149077493
Anyone buy one of these?
How's the quality?

>>149066590
Don't be intentionally insipid.
There is no single answer.
But what can be said with certainty is that Allison isn't one.

>>149063448 (OP)
The comic is extremely good; however, MY GOD does this guy update at a glacial pace. Not just a page per week if lucky tier but like pages will rarely progress the plot. He's lucky he's one hell of an artist. The plot is a bit dikey yeah but it's good, decent writing. The cryptic lore bullshit and art do carry it I think. Book 2 and 3 are very impressive, book 4 so far has had good art but it's a bit slow for my liking

>>149082359
>MY GOD does this guy update at a glacial pace
Isn't that because of personal problems in his home life?

>>149082408
It doesn't really matter when he has the time to keep shitting out random rpg pdfs all the time.

>>149082408
Both cause of that and his new attempt at batch releases

>>149082436
>he has the time to keep shitting out random rpg pdfs all the time
I see. Not a good place to put your priorities

>>149082436
His side projects aren't an issue DESU since it seems he works on them over the course of months or when he has inspiration, but I do wish he uploaded more regularly. Big hiatus though they're usually emergency related. Guy must be loaded with how much he makes off of his art though, you'd think he could afford help

>>149076772
Because it still took years for it to get back to kung fu angels and demigods fighting each other, and we're not even fully there yet.

>>149082614
Getting "help" would mean sharing shekels. Why would anybody do that when retards will keep paying you either way.

>>149082636
True enough, he never struck me as particularly jewish though surely he could afford to pay an assistant something like 2k a month for help and to mentor a younger artist, though I'm just a reader of k6bd(for free) so what do I know

>>149082690
Again that's a huge investment of both money and time to get and tutor someone decent enough. He's a discord personality first and foremost now, this is better for himself and worse for everyone else.

>>149082690
I think he falls into the single artist vision for KSBD at least. He's got a very specific vibe and he wants to do it all himself, and yeah if people will wait he has no incentive to do it faster aside from his own motivation.

>>149082923
>>149082786
Good points to the discussion anons, thank you

>>149082923
i dont think the vibe of his art would be impossible to imitate.
But its relatively unique among most webcomics ive read

>>149081290
It's a 2 week break between episodes pretty consistently. Not Gunnerkrigg-tier regularity, but not bad at all for what it is

>>149083060
I'm sure it could be if he put enough time into finding the right artist and having them practice his style, I just think he's a bit more possessive of it. Similar to GRRM saying he doesn't want anyone writing in his world if he dies, I'm sure someone could imitate his style but that's GRRM's story, no one else's.

new page out:
>>149083089

https://killsixbilliondemons.com/comic/wheel-smashing-lord-5-138-to-5-139/

>>149077121
>I just wish Nuclearpasta could update more often.
It's in an announced inter-chapter gap right now, but otherwise updates at once a week.

>>149078181
The peak edit was giving Vigilant Gaze a foam fan hand. I laughed so much at that.

>>149063986
Fuckin Abby used to post here openly quite often. Are you serious?

>>149084537
>>149078181
Abaddon mustve heard of those fishing jokes because he had Solomon David and White (black?) chain fight a giant narwhal or fish thing.