>Animation industry in 2020
Pandemic was a shot in the arm, new projects left and right, the sky is the limit

>Animation industry 2025
Post apocalyptic hellscape littered with cancelled projects

What the hell happened?

shut up, you fucking weapon.

>>149075966
Fuck off Zaslav, your Luigi moment will come.

>>149075949 (OP)
>What the hell happened?
(mostly talking TV here, but the Movie side of the industry has faced massive layoffs as well though obviously not apocalyptically so like the TV side is.)

Nobody's watching the bullshit that the american animation industry is putting out. it's that simple. streaming execs started noticing the pathetic numbers that this nepotism infested industry is putting out and realized there was no reason to keep funding the vanity projects of these animation industry trust fund losers

transfaggotry is dying. Movies and cartoons will slowly recover once this cancer is gone completely.

>>149075949 (OP)
Those COVID greenlit projects came out and not enough people watched them to justify renewals.

There's been a few very blatant examples of people not putting their money where their mouths were. All that seething over Zaslav killing Looney Tunes projects only for The Day the Earth Blew Up to gross $15 million worldwide. Disney cancelling Nimona was apparently murdering LGBT people or something. Then it comes out on Netflix and pushes viewership figures that suggest it would've been a Ruby Gillman-tier flop had it gone to theatres.

>>149075949 (OP)
Don't worry anon, it'll get much worse

>>149075949 (OP)
There were budget cuts in the government's propaganda department.

>>149076917
Day the Earth Blew Up wasn't given a super wide release. Hell, WB didn't even distribute it

>>149075949 (OP)
1. Nobody staying home to watch new products and buy merch.

2. "Writers" and "Actors" went on a retarded strike leading to animation projects losing talent and staff. Now studios are looking for non-US staff.

3. Cable TV is dead. So it's harder for animated projects to reach mass-appeal or become common to build up a base of fans and followers.

4. Streaming networks vs. Cable networks DUMP all new content and episodes at once for binging. Lead to short attention of the new animations.

Also: >>149076917

>>149075949 (OP)
Everyone gets way too stimulated when shows are released at once, we need to go back to weekly episodes.
Everything gets dumped and everyone finishes it and it becomes overwhelming as after a while.
It's why I get excited for MeTV. Because I gotta wait for episodes I wanna see.

>>149077295
Anime still does weekly and it works wonders for them.

>>149075949 (OP)
>What the hell happened?
You did. You ourate cartoons like the parasite you are and the industry dies

>>149077351
>Anime still does weekly and it works wonders for them.
That's because less than 20% of Japan pays for any kind of premium TV/Streaming subscription service. The vast majority of Japanese people still watch linear TV. The reason being that they get a lot of free channels that air premium content.

All of these big anime shows (and the shitty ones) are aired on the, you guessed it, free TV channels. They also have big name dramas, talk shows, comedies, etc.

88% of Americans are subbed to at least one streaming service. In the UK it's almost 70%. France and most other western euro countries have similar numbers.

>>149076917
Because that was sabotaged. There’s a huge conspiracy where these things were barely advertised to meme their failure into reality.

The entertainment industry became infested with private equity firms. And private equity firms only care about minimizing costs and maximizing profits. The product doesn't enter into it.

>>149077353
What’s that? I can’t hear you over the car I’m downloading.

>>149075949 (OP)
>What the hell happened?
Replaced by AI

>>149076917
Day the Earth Blew Up made a profit for the distributor (they paid less than 15 million for it and with basically no marketing)
If it bombed they weren’t buying Coyote vs Acme

>>149079381
Kys jeet

>>149079381
>AI has gotten so good that it can imitate the flash era of Fairly Odd Parents.
The next generation is gonna be crazy. I can already see the edgy shit being made with it and it's gonna be funny.
Think about it in the future the younger generation all they're gonna have to do is type a prompt and they'll get a whole cartoon.
Bright side being no whiny cartoonists forcing their politics and woke shit in.
I can see why networks are using it now.
I'm scared and intrigued.

>>149079400
You have been replaced dumbfuck.

>>149079418
Okay the lego one is fucking with me, how the fuck did it manage to imitate that?

>>149079407
Agreed, the tools are scary good now.
Thank god I didn't waste $100,000 on art school.

>>149079381
Other than a few errors on the mouth of the kid on the right it looks like the later seasons of FOP unironically

>>149079446
Kinda reminds me of Clang Invasion.
I could see this AI being used by Canada probably or third world countries.

>>149079464
I mean if it's rigged then it shouldn't be hard to rip out models from let's say Johnny Test and train an AI to animate it

>>149079464
>by Canada probably or third world countries.
A redundancy if I've ever heard one.

>>149079644
Might as well be a third world shithole, the entire Eastern Coast of Canada might as well be called New Bombay. Nobody there speaks English anymore and it's basically India part 2 colonized edition.
The only good place in Canada is Alberta and they're leaving soon and joining us.
It'll be nice to move there when it does join.

>>149077790
In Japan, the companies who make the cartoon also pay for the spot on TV. No program gets made that hasn't had its production financed through investors and through a plan on how they're going to turn a profit from it.
International sales, to them, are just free money after profit.

>>149079418
>Makes brickfilms as well
Jesus fucking Christ

>>149079418
Some people are eager to learn about Lego fair play.

I want every animator homeless and dead on the street.

>>149079741
why?

>>149079741
Nah but the lazy woke animators will actually have to work now, if they don't a machine from Bangaluru will replace them.

>>149079741
Based

>>149079741
How about this instead, you and every other AI fag join the 41%.

>>149079445
And they will be exclusively used to sell fetish porn to children.

>>149079741
Well, they kinda deserve it.

>>149080125
And Zaslav deserves to get Luigi’d

>>149077790
Somehow Japs can receive ota tv on their phones, no data required, but Americans cannot
If someone would stop being a greedy fuck, antenna tv could get a huge boost and become relevant again

>>149079381
>>149079389
>>149079418
>>149079445
Why use an A.I that had built in censors? You can make anything you want when you draw it yourself.

>>149077790
>>149079685
>>149080794
Once again, we should just be doing what the Japanese are doing. Not only do they have a better system for breaking into the industry, it has better infrastructure all the way around as well.

>>149080931
The Japs never forgot the number one rule
To make animation, you need sponsors

>>149075949 (OP)
>Tiny 16” screen
>covered with tools and menus.
Dude needs a tabmate or something.

>>149079757
That explains why artists are largely pro-public transport, let the trains out on the hunting grounds.

>>149076917
>All that seething over Zaslav killing Looney Tunes projects only for The Day the Earth Blew Up to gross $15 million worldwide
i never saw a poster, ad, or trailer of this movie. literally only found out about the release date when fags on this board were yelling to go watch it

>>149080794
ATSC 3.0 does support mobile, but it doesn't look like anyone's shipped a phone with support for it in the U.S. yet. It's probably too little too late for that to change things. Data plans and VOD are ubiquitous now. Even the Wikipedia article for 1Seg says the technology is declining in popularity in Japanese because of that. That's before touching on the fact that linear TV is effectively a wasteland nowadays.

>>149075949 (OP)
This isn't a problem with just the animation industry. This is a problem with all forms of media that benefited from the pandemic. They ramped up to meet demand and then demand went away and they have to cut back. And a lot of the companies knew that'd happen. But it's easier to lay off people and write off projects to save money.

>>149081396
Almost, but not quite: to make animation, you need to know your audience. Often this also means sponsorship that targets the same audience, in a symbiotic relationship (Sunrise funds anime that pushes new cool robots, so that they can then sell model kits of said robots, everyone wins). When anime adapts a manga or LN, they understand that their primary audience *are the fans who loved the orirignal* and that those are the people you need to make sure walk away happy (as opposed to the hollywood model, which will pay for the rights to the brand name and then make something totally fucking unrelated and pretend they are the same thing).

But we get anime without sponsors all the time. Original anime, not beholden to toy companies or source material. This is where the magic happens, because these are always passion projects so even when they fail they are usually interesting. Though this also sometimes goes hand in hand with terrible endings where they either ran out of budget or didn't plan things far enough ahead and spun out. Or both. YES, I'M LOOKING AT YOU 'WONDER EGG PRIORITY'. YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DID.

>>149081978
this, it's happening to the vidya industry specifically laying off people they hired during the pandemic

>>149081978
>then demand went away
Why is that? Where did the demand go? It's not like people stopped consuming media.

>>149082062
>YES, I'M LOOKING AT YOU 'WONDER EGG PRIORITY'. YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DID.
At least it's not Usagi Drop.

>>149082320
>Usagi Drop.
Not that I disagree, but that wasn't anime original.

>>149080920
Idea's People generally don't know how to make things and aren't willing to plan out all the steps between wanting a thing and making a thing real either.

>>149075949 (OP)
Strikes in 2023 axed all productions for little over a year and a half. Every single studio stopped greenlighting things in Jan-Feb 2023 in preparation for it. Now they are mostly used to not paying for those projects and moved their productions around because of it.

>>149076829
>>149077267
>>149079151
>>149081978
>>149082355


A little bit of all of these and within a very short amount of time.
>Streaming turned out to not be nearly as profitable, but they learned this after abandoning broadcast tv and theater releases.
>Multiple major studio merges caused loads of projects to be instantly cancelled and whole teams laid off
>Actors, writers, and ASIFA all went on strike, stopping all projects across the board for about 10 months. Leaving studios with a lot less money for anything after a terrible 2023
>Jump to streaming took the power of funding away from advertisers and gave it to tech investors
>Investors are 100% risk adverse, in an industry that is basically gambling the entire time. Every movie and show is a gamble. Advertisers are profit businessmen who are aware of the gambling nature of modern business.

This all took place over a period of about 4 years. It was too many huge events

>>149082476
The last two points are especially worth paying attention to, because as time goes on tech investors are becoming the largest accumulation of wealth in the US, and thus the source of all money. More and more decision making power is ending up in the hands of tech investors, because they are the ones left who have the money and are willing to spend it.
Eventually, every industry will be at the whims of tech investors, and their decision making process will force all of those industries to reshape around them.

>>149082304
the demand went away because with the pandemic over people have to go back to work and have less time to spend on media

>>149075949 (OP)
western animation has been nothing but trash for the last fifteen years

>>149082642
The castlevania netflix shows were okay. Not, like, *good* but decent. But I feel like thats only worth half credit, since those are adaptations of Japanese media anyway and Netflix even lists them as Anime.

>>149075949 (OP)
>Pandemic was a shot in the arm

Literally lel

>>149079445
Yeah, artists in California are fucked. Thank goodness I became an electrician.

Anotha holobunga! Over 10 billion projects with some kinda brown lesbean that is gonna go super sayian n some shit got canceled. It's over.

>>149082566
Tech investors are the ones who have an incredibly skewed view of how a company works and produces profit. They seem to believe that a company should always be in growth mode at all times and profits should always be increasing. If they are not increasing then there is a problem and layoffs need to happen as a result.

it's kind of a cause/effect relationship when you have a leadership class that fell ass backwards into lots and lots of money in an incredibly short period of time. They seem to think that is the natural state of business.

>>149082838
Animation was pretty much the only thing that wasn't forced to halt production

>>149082566
>>149082996
They have always been like that though. Even in the early 00s they had the reputation of being weird zainy startups that instantly make a lot of money, then after a year or two fall off and go out of business fast, laying off all their employees. A lot of shows around 99-2002 or so had gags about some tech startup stock being completely worthless because they make money once then fail.

The issue is that their culture has invaded all other industries now. It's common for a company to expect billions any time they make any move at all, and if they don't they lay off whole divisions. No one expects to work at some company more than a couple years. You are expected to float from company to company endlessly like tech company employees or eventually be laid off with a few thousand others at any given time.

>>149079959
Faggot

>>149076829
Hi Luke

>>149083085
This was always the end result of corporate capitalism, because this is the purist distillation of "short term profits are all that matter". It just spread through the tech industry faster than others because the tech industry has a high turnover rate due to how fast electronics advanced for decades. There was always a faster computer to build next year, and need for new software that utilized it.

>>149082696
Nah, the first season, maaaaybe the 2nd season of the first Castlevania series was decent.
Everything after ranges from bad to shit.

>>149083643
First castlevania was all over the place, Dracula was the best part of the show and any episode he wasn't in was often lame.
Nocturne was pretty solid from start to finish IMO.

>>149083665
Nocturne was awful, shit shouldn't have even been called Castlevania.

>>149082476
There is a cascading effect of animators being out of work and that number growing more and more. It started with the Louis CK scandal in 2017, then the WB/Discovery merger finished Warner animation off for the time.

>TBS planned to have an adult animation block in 2018 with Close Enough, Tarantula, Cops, Final Space, and American Dad. Louis CK scandal caused problems and then delays. By the time things were about to work out Warner merged with Discovery.
>WB/Discovery merge, almost all projects across Warner are put on hold indefinitely and animators are put out of work. Cartoon Network loses a lot of shows due to this. TBS loses most shows. Multiple movies were put on hold.
>Disney/Fox merger happens. Fox animated projects were also put on hold, as well as Blue Sky. Fox animators put out of work
>2020 Covid, Blue Sky is closed, putting more animators out of work.
>2021 Netflix sees numbers did not move up as much as they liked and they axed majority of their animation program they started a year earlier. More animators are put out of work.
>Essentially Netflix. Fox, Blue Sky, and Warner Bros employees are out of work now.
>Late 2022 studios are aware an actors/writers strike is coming. They do not greenlight new projects in early 2023 in preparation for it. People who are expecting to find work are not, people are starting to get worried why there are no new projects on the job boards.
>Strike happens. Now lots of animators are out of work, people are getting worried. It goes on too nlong and studios have a terrible summer 2023, and a bad holiday 2023. They can now not afford to get back up to their typical levels of production.
Now studios everywhere are hurting and suffering low revenue,
>Animation being the lowest priority and lowest prestige projects, studios always cut those first when times are bad. Animators are just out of work everywhere in 2024, things are not getting better. Everyone is hurting for revenue now.

>>149075949 (OP)
What happened was that animators, and The Animation Guild, ruined animation, and people are now wise enough to avoid their trash

>>149085494
that's nice professor, but no one is reading that shit
kill yourself

>>149085494
I wish I was rich, I could gobble up all those animators and pay them to animate my dream projects.

>>149075949 (OP)
Turns out the amazing 2020 new projects were nothing people wanted, is what happened.

>>149079753
(You) Bait. Remember on 4chan short off advocating violence against a policeman you can get away with saying pretty much anything, the aim is to get the most reactions possible. If someone genuinely posted they hope animators deserve better they wouldn't get as many (you)s as being actively hostile to them even if it doesn't make sense.

>>149085494
Looks like what really did it were the two mega corp mergers in Disney and Fox and then Discovery and WB. Each one had one studio gobble up another and lay off half the employees. Leaving Fox and Warner animators with nothing.

>>149081947
>but it doesn't look like anyone's shipped a phone with support for it in the U.S. yet
nobody's going to. most us phones ship with their fm radios disabled even tho most have a chip for it
fucking GREED

>>149086051
Blue Sky going under hurt, and a lot of people were saying that place closing was going to fuck over the industry back when talk of a merger was going on in 2017ish. The animation industry is really small in the US. And Blue Sky closing its doors and tossing about 500 people into the job market would break things, as well as totally erase any hope for a new graduate to be able to land a job for years. But Disney did exactly that any damn way. And then Warner had to do mostly the same and lay off a few hundred people too. Pepper in game studios also laying off their artist and in house animators over the last few years and you have a media creator depression happening right about now.

>>149075949 (OP)
Hipsters disappeared and they were the only people tuning in for children's cartoons (Adventure Time and Regular Show)

>>149075949 (OP)
>What the hell happened?
The industry being centralized in an overpriced city after high speed wifi became standard in most homes was fucking retarded and now anyone with talent will go indie to keep their ip rights.

>>149075949 (OP)
You have to put in the time and the work for the stuff you want to accomplish.
Animation doesn't just magically manifest out of thin air.

>>149079381
>still flat perspective

>>149085494
>>149082476
thanks

>>149079381
Motion never stops, constantly moving/morphing.
No deliberate action or purpose, just random approximations of motion. No character intent or motivation. No appeal. No precision. No repeatability. NO SOUND, SCRIPT OR DIALOUGE. It has truly earned the title of "slop".
You will never amount to anything because you shortcut life.

>>149087168
is this your work? it's solid for indie animation, but there's no rest poses inbetween the hand movements and it muddies up the hand gestures. Maybe her hand lingers on the faucet after turning it or her wave tapers off a little more slowly into her putting her hand in her pocket. If this is your work then definitely keep at it

>>149082476
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>>149082996
>>149083085
nice ChatGPT posts

>>149079445
Can it compute a render any longer than 5 seconds, and not use referenced materials? And can you make the EXACT same prompt results a second or third time, with minor tweaks, like color variation or design changes?
If not, your tool is a worthless piece of shiny shit.

>>149088178
Ah yes, the classic ‘nice ChatGPT posts’ response — the internet’s new way of saying 'I don’t have a real counterpoint, but I’d still like to dismiss you.' Just because someone writes clearly or makes a solid argument doesn’t mean it was generated. If anything, this knee-jerk accusation says more about how threatened you are by articulate ideas than it does about the person you're trying to call out. If you’ve got a real critique, make it. Otherwise, you're just proving that originality isn’t the same as authenticity — and neither is bitterness.

forgot pic

>>149088178
>I'm pretty sure everyone is just as retarded as me so if I see a post that's more than a sentence long it has to be AI!!!

>>149088169
Yes. It's still in the "clean up and color" phase now that all the pencil roughs are pretty much finalized. But I do keep making little corrective tweaks as I go along (like timing, motion or construction).
Good catch though. I sometimes have to step back from a scene for a bit for 'fresh eyes" every 100 frames or so.
But it does take a really long time solo, been hammering it out most evenings for about 4 and a half years now.

>>149088461
>>149088169
Another (finished) shot for comparison. And full res is 1080p not 640p.

>>149077790
The biggest irony in human history is that Japan’s adherence to being old fashioned and never abandoning old tech may be what is keeping its entertainment industry alive.

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>>149088306
Cope harder AI fag

>>149080920
You have no idea how long animation takes. Like not a fucking clue. AI would hopefully streamline inbetweens. Hell, animating on 2 or 3's is hard enough. Animating 3s within 60 secs means 20 drawings per minute. 3 divided by 60 equals 20. Or animating on 2's. 2s within 60 secs means 30 drawings per minute. That's not including detail work, lip sync, timing, backgrounds, clean up, and if one is bold and ambitious, picking and choosing key elements from the 12 Rules of Animation and use them strategically. 3D streamlines some of this, notably not requiring artists to draw, and only know how to puppet and manipulate the rig, but the rules of Animation still apply and you still have to animate it. Drawing is extremely time consuming and requires skill. Hence why 3D has taken over. You just need a few talented 3D artists and a room full of monkeys to animate it. Versus having animators who all need to be on a similar baseline for drawing so they can draw from the reference sheet and create a smooth, seamless animation process without (hopefully) any variation in quality or style.

>>149088719
Appreciate the deep intellectual engagement. When you're ready to graduate from 2009 Xbox Live trash talk and form an actual thought, let me know.

>>149088452
Except it's true AI fag

>>149088668
Why do boomers still have this impression that Japan is some super amazing futuristic society of new technology? They made some cool shit back in the 80s during the bubble period and then they never had that society again. And it's been 40 years. Time to stop pretending 1988 was just a few years ago.

For me to spend money or time on a product, the product must appeal to me in some way. Almost every single western animation product produce in the last fifteen years or so has been "fuck off, you personally" phrased in various ways. Therefore, I no longer spend time or money on western animation, beyond individual indie projects with different perspectives.

This is not complicated. If you tell your main audience to stop buying your product in favor of another audience, you better be damn sure that new audience has the means to fund your projects.

>>149088840
that you're retarded? I kinda figured that was true already by your responses. No need to explain yourself

>>149082304
That and Americano animation, notably North American (South American actually has some fun rabbit holes) has been a horrible cluster fuck of nepotism, identity politics, incestuous business practices and gatekeeping. TLDR, there's a lot of evidence of gatekeeping and pushing certain types of creators forward and telling certain types of stories for political reasons. Rather, they'd like to preach rather than tell a story without strings attached. Wherein, to delve deeper, the power of animation comes from two-fold. First, the foundation, the story-telling, that should transcend and tell a story that's purpose is to captivate and at it's core entertain. Not thinly veiled politics or propaganda. Two, is it's visuals and style, the clothing and movement that the story puts on to dance and entertain. The standard now is clunky, ugly, and unappealing mess. Overly sanitized entertainment, visuals and style made to appeal to and for the maximum amount of masses. It's why we see noodle-arms, bean-mouth, never ending "soft/squishy" designs. Juxtaposed against Japans animation that may not be the best, but it excels in it's own niche. Unlike in the US, where they flounder and drown in their own niches.

Is there a reason that American animation HAS to be exclusively centered around LA? Like, why isn't there a New York animation scene or a Texas animation scene, like there is in tech?

>>149089057
Because that's where the masters of wealth want it to be. People have no power against it.

>>149088668
It's true. If it still works, then why try to "improve" what isn't broken? Or buy a "newer" version. Only get something if it really will save you time. Like hiring skilled staff to help you.
>>149088745
My current run for my 4 minute indie short is about 5700 individually drawn frames (because on 2s). I REALLY get it...
I wish others did, but we live in an age of instant gratification and zero patience. Like Everything online trying to ape the TikTok model.

>>149089079
>Because that's where the masters of wealth want it to be.
But aren't there other people willing to invest in animation outside of California? Live-action productions are common all across the country. Why is animation the outlier?

>>149089116
>But aren't there other people willing to invest in animation outside of California?
Most Americans live paycheck to paycheck, and there are far better investments to invest in than animation for ROI (return on investment), namely stock market is the easiest, or buying a franchise. Unless you're super nerdy and wealthy, most wealthy people don't care and trust-fund kiddies don't have any ambition other than hedonism. Some countries like the EU and Canada have government supported animation, but it's not enough. Especially how damn expensive animation school is and the specialized training versus the value of the output of the product which is just entertainment. Also, Hollywood has been in bed with the military industrial complex since WW2. Think back on Disney and Looney Tunes propaganda and military training videos.

>>149089057
McKinsey, Bain, Blackrock and other "Investment Capital Consulting" firms are why.
Make money for the wealthy investor class on top, at the cost of training an efficient well paid workforce, by reducing staff and not taking risks on capital, profit at any human cost.
Currently sending many career fields into a death spiral.
I mean rats are leaving the ship, fleeing to Canada and Georgia respectively. But no reason it couldn't be every state.
Video games are another market, same problem. Probably music too. Or anything entertainment.
We'll regress to vaudeville in saloons and whorehouses soon enough.
Then back to books and scrolls.

>>149089093
>I wish others did, but we live in an age of instant gratification and zero patience.
Pretty much, that and animation doesn't pay worth a shit. Why animate when you can just record something instead and do a skit that way. Cheaper, faster and more efficient, doesn't help Youtube de-prioritizes monetizing animation. People aren't going to pay for animation either, unless it's Disney or some other major studio. Save unless it gets REALLY big like Hazbin/Glitched Studio or FlashGitz. (I would mention Murder Drones and Digital Circus, but this are 3D not 2D). Your only real avenue is appealing to children for literal baby shit for early education for Youtube. For Youtube and other platforms you need to post consistently and regularly, and with animation, especially if you are a one person studio, you are cooked. Animation in the US is effectively niche and dead and disrespected (especially for and because of mainstream entertainment, and they deserve it, but they poisoned the well for everyone else). All that's left are little creators who are already being squeezed out, and if AI is misused or overused, it's just another nail in the coffin.

>>149088668
I'm pretty sure what's keeping their industry alive is that, despite the pay being utter and complete shit, it's still just barely enough to live on. Their public transit is so good you really don't need a car, and that's a big expense eliminated right there. No monthly insurance, no lease (if you have that), and no gas money. That shit adds up when you're strapped for cash.

So it's fair to say it's a lot of little things.

>>149089057
I'm not in the industry, but I was under the impression that long ago in a distant land, that's where all the big animation studios were located. People stayed because that's just where everything already was. Kind of like Silicon Valley. Although I believe Disneyland and their studios are in Florida, but maybe they didn't used to be? Anyways, there's probably a bunch of movie production facilities there, so despite the ridiculous cost, it's simply easier to stay there for the time being. Or at least, have their headquarters there and offload all the work to cheap overseas servants.

>>149088191
>Can your plane fly for more than 10 seconds? No? Then this tech tree is useless and not worth researching any more into!
Come on man, I like traditional art too, but you don't have to be retarded about this.

>>149089057
>Is there a reason that American animation HAS to be exclusively centered around LA?
It isn't and hasn't been for a while.
Everything is outsourced to Asia or Canada.
>Why isn't there a New York animation scene or a Texas animation scene, like there is in tech?
Because the big companies are in LA and up until now animation has been an incredibly expensive endeavor.

>>149081978
>>149082304
You saw a lot of little bubbles popping up like this at the beginning of the pandemic too.
Everyone forgets this but when the pandemic went from "about 2 weeks" to months, there was this kinda push towards things like home exercise equipment, gardening.
People actually fucking adopted pets for the pandemic and returned them to the shelter en masse when it ended. Look it up, the shelters were in panic mode because a simultaneous mass surrender of pets was not something they were built to handle

>>149089648
>People actually fucking adopted pets for the pandemic and returned them to the shelter en masse when it ended. Look it up, the shelters were in panic mode because a simultaneous mass surrender of pets was not something they were built to handle
It really goes to show just how many subhumans are in the US and how terrible and evil people are on a base like to begin with.

>>149083643
I'd actually argue that weirdly the quality for that fag's work basically alternates every production cycle. S1&2? One production cycle and were alright. S3? Its own cycle, dogshit. S4? Not as good as S1 and 2 but it did notably pull up from 3. Nocturne S1? Dogshit. Nocturne S2? Again not perfect but pulled up notably. DMC? Dogshit again.

It's weird.

>>149088191
>>149089590
The issue with AI isn't that it's bad tech, the issue is that it's just going to be used to produce an endless deluge of absolute slop, which is just going to make sure that the corpos lose access to the lowest common denominator when Sandheep and Duang can just generate endless slop for the masses to consume on TikTok.
They think shit's bad NOW with young people not watching anything outside of social media shit, we're only just getting started.
They're basically making themselves obsolete.

>>149089771
What will eventually happen is that corpos run the servers, each with their own level of censorship and ip infringement and compute, and users will prompt for their own personalized custom slop. There might be some middle-man stuff where you get outlines or aesthetics from other people if you cannot even be bothered to prompt, but this ends with complete media atomization.

Good riddance, honestly. Everything that is happening now is justly earned from artists being tumblrites.

>>149088191
NTA but most AI fags have actually been saying this for a bit now whenever they aren't stuck having to defend AI even existing that most of what the public sees are pretty much toys and that it's the ones expanding the amount of control and ability to edit in post and reliably reproduce outputs as a toolset rather than a "Well better regenerate it 2000 times and hope it gets it right." toy that are going to make the biggest impact but until very recently most of the big AI fag companies have had absolutely zero interest in actually making anything more complex than a lobotomized chatbot or search engine which only have a fairly limited usecase outside of fucking around. It's unsurprisingly the pornfags building shit like Novel AI and so on that have thus far pushed the envelope farthest in regards to "Okay enough fucking around we need this to actually produce usable work and give us actual control to edit and create shit beyond typing in a prompt." shit.

>>149089876
>most of what the public sees are pretty much toys and that it's the ones expanding the amount of control and ability to edit in post and reliably reproduce outputs as a toolset rather than a "Well better regenerate it 2000 times and hope it gets it right." toy that are going to make the biggest impact
Serious question. Without googling, do you know what a controlnet is, or ComfyUI?

>>149089771
I agree it'll be mostly used to make slop, but the reality is the big media players have been making slop for about 10 years now. Longer if you're cynical. It's not like we're going from no slop to slop, we're instead just going from slop to even more slop. Personally I think that the excess of AI slop will actually make quality "handmade" ventures more valuable and sought after. But mediocre handmade stuff (and below) will be left in the dust.

>>149088866
Because despite no longer being the absolute top of the line they still actually utilize their tech a lot more prominently and impressively than we do so shit still seems fucking space age. This is the country with internet infrastructure so fucking good that they never had to develop rollback netcode and the idea of lag or latency borderline went extinct by like 97 there, with fuckloads of bullet trains, hot meal vending machines, and the occasional personal robot servers or public litter clearing service, to say nothing of more limited but ridiculous shit like commercially available minimechs for people with too much money that still only cost about as much as like a nice car in their monopoly money, or all the socially based shit that doesn't have to do with technological industry or infrastructure but still sounds like something out of a vaguely libertarian utopia/dystopia novel about a country with ridiculous wealth and societal success like the 9 dozen different kinds of "Legally it's not prostitution but we know what you're doing with that personal maid while you rent out the hotel room/spa bath" and whacky shit like having an entire globally famous technology and media center known for its ludicrous excess, to say nothing of how their cars and computers are *still* fucking better than almost everything made in the last like 20 years, just no longer by a gigafuckload [well except for the cars, those still last fucking forever compared to like, a Ford.]

>>149090033
Cars maybe, but their computers? Come on man, their computers are dogshit.

>>149089924
I do but if you do as well you know damn fucking well that the big names have barely begun to fuck around with that publicly compared to open source or smaller firms. Show me the Fagpt controlnet package or ComfyUI equivalent.

>>149090070
I'll agree to disagree, it has been a year or two since I bought one from there though and I've always been pretty picky so I'll allow that maybe I'm generalizing too hard.

The rest still stands though, compared to your average American or Eurofag the Japanese might as well be living in the fucking Jetsons just from the fact that they actually leverage their technology better for infrastructure for good and for ill so it's not surprising that the Boomers who still remember when they were raping the US tech industry to death so hard we invented Cyberpunk as a genre in response still think they're space wizards.

>>149090136
What computer did you even buy? Any consumer grade machine is just gonna be made with consumer grade parts you can get at any PC shop. A quick google search suggests the parts in Japan are actually 50% more than they'd be in the US. Like sure they might have better Internet infrastructure compared to the States, but last I checked some European nations have incredibly good Internet infrastructure.

>>149079381
based
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha-aebaaXz4

>>149090070
>Come on man, their computers are dogshit.
Depends what you mean by "computers."
Japanese capacitors are still the tippy top as far as computer components go.
These days no one really "makes" computers besides China, Taiwan, America, Japan, Israel, and maybe Germany.
Everyone else just assembles devices using chips and components made in those countries.

>>149090386
Oh, also South Korea, forgot to include them.

>>149089590
No man, I'm being legit about the tech. It seems to have an upper cap limit to it's real world processing ability. Renting a giant calculator the size of a building to fill with digital tape deck cabinets to run ONE console eventually refined into the phone you're probably reading this on.
Right now it takes a 4 story building's worth of server farm's and a full lake's worth of water to cool those computer banks, just so one rando can gen 5 seconds of random animation, or a few still images of porn of their favorite cartoon characters to goon to nonstop.
In the future who knows...

I'm talking scale functionality for further down the technological line. Because right now results aren't very promising. Betamax and VideoDisc were superior formats, but corp took the cheap route and went with VHS for the masses. CD over tape, Bluray over HDDVD, SSD over HDD.
Are we getting good shit or cheap shit? Quality engineering or fast, broken and disposable?

>>149089057
>Like, why isn't there a New York animation scene or a Texas animation scene, like there is in tech?
There actually is it’s just not as big as the one in LA and here’s my own theories as to why.
>History
The animation industry has been there since the 20s and while yes New York had an even older animation industry, it wasn’t as wealthier or robust as LA’s, not to mention movie moguls like Walt Disney poached many NYC animators like Grim Natwick or Art Babbit to come work at their studios in LA.
History is important because it’s hard to just create an industry in a town out of thin air; many in tech have tried and many have failed. Unless some big show or movie get produced in another city and that causes an industry shift to another location. Breaking Bad created the New Mexico film industry and Deliverance did the same for the Georgia film industry. There are similar cases like these in animation as well, as Adult Swim location in Atlanta may be why there are some studios located there. Government tax incentives can also turn a city or state into an entertainment hub
>Everyone is already there
Put yourself in the shoes of a studio executive. Why wouldn’t you stay in LA. There are other studios there, and once they wrap up production where are their artists going to go? To you! Because you are a studio that is a hiring in a city with a giant pool of artists. Not to mention big industry events like light box are there as well where you can find more artists.
>Education
Yes it’s true executives in animation and showrunners don’t care about degrees. But when they need to find artists where do they go? College fairs. Many colleges in California have them and if you are a studio representative you don’t have to travel far. Some of the top animation schools are in California, even the affordable ones, even state schools like UCLA, Northridge, and San Jose State have great animation programs (ps, always go to these)

>>149090700
Each year the VRAM requirements for the image generation (and thereby animation generation models) gets lower. A consumer 4090 can gen a 5 second animation "kinda" quickly. Interestingly, generating images and animations (which is just a series of images) is a lot easier than generating text, which to my knowledge still require a fair amount of VRAM to store all the context needed. Think about how much more powerful your phone is compared to a consumer grade desktop computer from 20 years ago. Now imagine how much more powerful a consumer grade desktop computer will be 20 years from now. If the AI models continue to get refined, you'll be able to gen stuff at a "reasonable" pace, for an individual.

I don't think we'll ever reach a "make million dollar movie button". But I do think people will start generating some custom media to consume, even if it's only porn. Frankly, I want the language models to improve so I can have a virtual DM for DnD.

>>149091018
So how long before they drop the free and open source premise and run the "privatized" train on consumers. Like Streaming became?

And could a virtual LLM DnD DM be as creative as a live human? Is it your friend?

>>149090033
Meanwhile, you are still mentioning things that were invented and implemented in the 80s. Yes they were very forward thinking and advanced for the 80s...but they stopped there.

>>149091238
>And could a virtual LLM DnD DM be as creative as a live human?
Depends on the human. Go to /tg/ and they'll tell you any number of horror stories about bad DM's and players. Obviously won't beat a good DM, but it'd beat a bad one.

>>149091520
>Anon can't understand basic concepts like advancements in technology not mattering if you don't use it, ergo someone who does will seem more advanced than someone who doesn't.
Actually retarded, holy shit.