Thread 149077891

>NOOO I DON'T WANT TO BE CAP
>NOOO YOU CAN'T BE CAP I'M CAP
>NOOO YOU CAN'T BE THE AVENGERS I'LL FUCKING SUE YOU
What's this guy's fucking problem.

I used to really like Sam before The Falcon & The Winter Soldier, too.

The problem is the writers are Disney have absolutely FUCKED moral compasses. They do not know what makes a good person, much less a hero.

>>149077940
It's so fucking wild that Sam is written a selfish, smug, entitled prick race grifter but the writers expect him to be cheered and as in the right, while Walker's the one portrayed as this evil cishetwhite chudmonster but the writing unintentionally makes him really heroic.

>>149077940
This

>>149077963
>heroic
what's with /co/tards suddenly thinking Walker was some unsung hero? yes Thunderbolts made him better but it's not like he's suddenly the greatest hero in the MCU, yet this board loves to pretend he is

>>149079265
The entire website went rightwing 9 years ago.john Walker is implied to be right wing, so they like him.

>denying power and the responsibility that comes along with it is actually super virtuous
What retard writes this schlock

>>149079329
For them, the most heroic th8ng you can be is a victim.

>>149077940
Morals are for the weak and heroes deserve to be tortured.

>>149077891 (OP)
black privilege

>>149079265
He was a hero in the show, watch it critically

>>149079265
John Walker did nothing wrong.

>>149077891 (OP)
african american

>>149079399
Shut up, faggot.

>>149077891 (OP)
A mix of incompetence and insecurity. Idk why the writers gave him such hardcore case imposter syndrome, it just pads out the plot in the worst way possible.

>>149077891 (OP)
fhinking is hard for balrogs.

>>149079265
>suddenly
>/co/ has consistantly held this opinion since the FatWS came out.
Back to your hugbox.

>>149080241
Not until everything good in the world has been destroyed.

>>149080538
You know, theres a faster way of getting what you want. First, fill a bath with nice, hot water. Second, get into the bath and relax, enjoy the soothing feeling of the hot water enveloping you, comforting you. Third, the toastee you plugged in next to the bath. 4th, drop the toaster into the bath with you and embrace the void. You dont have to see people being happy and we sont have to see your pathetic, malding face.

>>149077891 (OP)
a good representation of the black experience. Writers got too realistic with this one.

>>149080585
But I want to see the entire universe be permanently corrupted by evil.

>I’m not sure I should be Cap but this guy is an asshole so I should step up
>I’m not sure about bringing back the Avengers but these guys are assholes so I should step up
Pretty clear series of events OP

>>149077891 (OP)
The copyright gag over the Avengers name is funny but yeah it completely character assassinates Sam.

>>149080737
But dropping a plugged in toaster into a bath can ACTUALLY happen.

>>149080791
Evil winning will also happen. It can only be delayed for so long.

>>149080760
>but these guys are assholes
Are they?

>>149077940
That's what you get when you force out all the White, Christian men and replace them with Zionist nepo babies.
>>149077963
Just like in real life

>>149079265
> Captain America names his heir
> Guy swears up and down he's going to make him proud
> Second he's gone he goes all: "NAH FUCK THIS!"
> Government, who made Captain America (a military position and designation) repeats formula from scratch finding young soldier who volunteers and gives him serum
> It works and he starts being Captain America
> "AH, HELL NAH! DIS RAYCISS WHITE PEOPLE STEALING THE THANG I WAS GIVEN THAT WASN'T HIS TO GIVE THAT I THEN THROUGH AWAY!"
Seemed like he was just stepping up

>>149079329
I am tired of the whole "power is bad". Power is inherently good, because without it you cant do anything good or bad.
At this point Im convinced its been madecinto a message to stop those with morals from pursuing it.

>>149081116
If you're strong, everything you do is right.

>>149077940
I don't think anyone working in hollywood realizes that they are psychopaths surrounded by other psychopaths. All of them are fucking insane, but because they only work with other people that are fucking insane and refuse to be around anyone else who isn't fucking insane in the same ways they are, they think they have a normal and rational outlook on life, morality, philosophy and so on.

Probably why you've got them trying so hard to blame "the fandom menace" or youtubers posting meme'd up negative reviews. They think they're doing everything right and are wholly incapable of recognizing how fucking insane and disjointed their ideas and beliefs are.

>>149081134
Not even talking about might make right you angsty child, I mean you literally cant do good things if you dont have the power to make them happen.

>>149081110
The more you learn about Walker and his accomplishments also paints him as a guy who has worked hard and risked his life for his entire fucking life, too... But the script in Thunderbolts still treats him like a dumb asshole who deserves to be bullied for thinking he's actually earned the right to risk his life to protect the world for any reason.

>>149081152
If you have the power to do what you want, and no one can stop you, then what you want to do is good by default.

Super Hero Squad Falcon is superior

>>149080538
Moloch Anon is the most sane poster in this site.

>>149081269
Nah, only retards thunk like that.

>>149079265
Who is the greatest living hero in the MCU at present time

>>149081405
If someone disagrees with your actions, but they can't stop you from killing them, then they're wrong and you're right.

>>149081317
Not exactly. I'm just the most honest one. Lord Moloch is the god that humanity really wants deep down: a god who encourages everyone to be their absolute worst selves, to freely indulge in their vices.

>>149081110
They didn’t give him the serum, Walker found some and injected himself with it with zero precautions and then within 24 hours decapitated a man in broad daylight in front of a crowd of people. You can argue about him being a terrorist or deserving it or whatever, but you can’t deny it’s an awful look.

>>149081685
But what John did was the only right choice given the scenario. I feel like if they wanted to portray John as unhinged they should have put him in a situation where lethal force wasn't necessary because you can't really restrain a super soldier that's just tried to fight/flee three times in a row after trying to kill you

>>149077891 (OP)
Goes deeper than that

>NOOOO YOU CAN'T ARREST THOSE SUPERPOWERED GUYS THAT BLEW UP THE BANK AND ROBBED PEOPLE!
>DON'T CALL THOSE GUYS WITH AN INTERNATIONAL BODYCOUNT AND BLOWS UP PLACES TERRORISTS!

A hero should at least want to stop the bad guys from doing bad right?

OP sounds like a rage farming youtuber hungry for his next paycheck. If he's actually serious then he may as well just stick to reading fandom wiki summaries instead of watching anything with any sort of plot development or conflict.

>>149077963
Every one of these shows have someone the writers really really WANT the audience to hate, but it's 100% clear they are right. Like the SHIELD guy in charge of trying to stop Wanda in Wandavision. They really wanted us to hate the guy and had characters talking shit to him, but there was a superpowered person holding a fucking town hostage.

>>149077963
>Decorated hero, football star hometown hero, married to the captain of the cheerleading squad
>Is "Actually" a bitter incel because....he just is okay!!!!

>>149081151
You also need to add in the fact that they think of themselves as the intellectual and moral elite. They look down on everyone else and assume anyone who does not think 100% exactly like them are wrong, evil, and just plain backwards.

Meanwhile they also hold LA to be the world's leading city and every place should be exactly like it.

>>149081685
And Iron Man built a weapon of war and then flew to a foreign country to blow up terrorists. What's your point?

>>149079265
Ehh.../co/ went that way by episode 3. It was already really hard to figure out just why Sam was being a complete dick to him the second they met. Especially when Walker was nothing but friendly to him and wanted to work with him. Then we are supposed to think the guy who actually wants to do something about the international terrorists that blow up banks and kill lots of bystanders is the bad one. And his getting pissed at seeing someone punch his friend to death is also a really bad move. Then Sam wants to be on the side of the terrorist gang in the final episode because....what the fuck?

The TV show was a huge mistake. Making Falcon into the new Captain America was a mistake. It should have been a movie with the question being posed as who should be the next Captain America: Bucky, Sam, or John Walker. Walker failing to live up to what Steve Rogers was should lead to the lesson at the end that none of these guys are - Steve Rogers was Captain America and trying to force a legacy character is stupid, so all 3 should try being their own thing.

>>149082571
But they need to sell Captain America merch.

>>149082783
Sam isn't selling shit.

>>149082826
You're expecting business executives to be completely logical. If Sam isn't selling, they'll just push him harder. They won't ever consider that him not being popular is their fault. It's gotta be the customers' fault. But they'll love him. Sooner or later.

*SNOOOOOOORT*

>>149081269
You should pursue a career as a Hollywood writer, you'd fit right in

>>149081116
They like to say "power corrupts", but what they ignore is that corrupt people are more likely to seek out power. The weight of power on a moral person's conscious would probably make them miserable. You can have power without being corrupt, but it probably has to be forced unto you.

>>149082571
Bucky was right there and ready to take the fucking shield, too. Before the show, Falcon was an alright character, but he didn't earn main character, legacy mantle inheritor status in the few movies he popped up in to do his little spin kick attack. The whole fucking resolution of Endgame was that things had changed, permanently, and the world needed heroes who could deal with that. So which makes more sense?
>A Captain America whose entire identity is reformed to be built around racism and century-old racial discrimination
OR...
>A Captain America who needs to redeem himself, find his purpose and his identity again, and make up for past wrongs any way he can?

>>149079265
Because he actually tried, he isn’t perfect but he’s not some fucking monster. He’s not Steve but at least he was doing all he could and all Sam and Bucky did was give him shit and laugh when he got his ass kicked.

>>149081964
High school was pretty shitty for me as well, but I don’t get why the fuck these people have to seethe so much about jocks? Most of the ones I’ve met were pretty chill as long as you didn’t fuck with them.

>>149083098
Neither. All 3 men lack what Steve Was. Winter Soldier has the powers, Captain Falcon had the shield, John Walker had the government issued costume and title. But none of them were him or should try to take up the "mantle".

>>149083406
And Bucky has the inexplicable immunity to 1940s prejudice.

Would it be so bad if the MCU simply died?

>>149083733
the world would be in a much better place if it did

>>149083733
That goose will start laying golden eggs again sooner or later!

>>149081685
>decapitated
He hit him in the chest, how do people still make this mistake

>>149079265
He only ever does what is morally good and isn't an unsympathetic terrorist sympathizing dick like the lead characters. He's flawed but in a very relatable and human way he has insanely large boots to fill and like most people he struggles to carry that burden and looks to others for approval. He searches for that approval in Sam and Bucky but they'd rather hear out the red haired idiot that burns civilians alive than the three times medal of honor vet. He even proves just how morally superior he is in the end by choosing saving people over vengeance.

>>149077891 (OP)
Walker is an unhinged government lapdog. All this show needed to do is remember Sam was a PJ and licensed counselor where he talked down Walker from going more off the ledge because of his guilt, Super steroid rage and need for validation and getting him help. Walker gives him the Shield and says I can't do this shit you can.

The end

>>149080778
It seems like Marvel is taking advantage of Sam being perceived as whiny, hypocritical and patronizing and leaning into that with his characterization.

>>149084407
Making a character like that the protagonist of your $300 million movie is a retard idea

>>149081473
Antman, probably, Quantumania genuinely treats Lang well if you ignore everything after his phone starts ringing, I don't like the shopkeeper mistaking Lang for Spider-Man either since Spider-Man is canonically a literal who, Antman is the reason trillions are alive after Infinity War.
>saved trillions of lives
>makes time for his friends and his family
>says he will step up and fight with the Avengers should he receive a call to action
>just wants to make up for all the time he lost, to be a good father that's present in Cassie's life
>wrote an autobiography to inspire the next generation

>>149077891 (OP)
It made sense to do a classic "reluctant hero" story in the beginning. But having Sam fully embrace the shield and assembling a new avengers team under his leadership should have happened in 2021, in a movie. Not being TEASED in a 2025 movie.