Do industry plants in comics exist? - /co/ (#149091697) [Archived: 882 hours ago]

Anonymous
6/21/2025, 7:15:08 AM No.149091697
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 7:17:30 AM No.149091718
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>>149091697 (OP)
Yes but using peach as an example is really dumb.
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 7:17:47 AM No.149091721
something about ma5ons and stuff
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 7:24:20 AM No.149091772
>>149091697 (OP)
Isn't that exactly what people have been calling Tom King for years now?
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 7:38:59 AM No.149091900
>>149091772
No he's a CIA plant
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 7:43:34 AM No.149091943
zoe quinn got a comic despite having zero talent
what do you think?
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 7:46:30 AM No.149091967
>>149091697 (OP)
People just throw this term around to describe shit they don’t like.
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 7:48:14 AM No.149091985
>>149091967
im 99% certain some people are only in big name movies because their family is wealthy enough to buy them into it.
timothy malchete? is a fucking awful actor and he gets rolls all the time.
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 7:51:24 AM No.149092012
>>149091718
Peach hate is so fucking baffling to me
It's fine if you don't vibe with her artstyle but to have elaborate conspiracies over it just reinforces that people who only consume capeshit are the second worst, close-minded and self-sheltering fanbase in comics.
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 8:22:32 AM No.149092249
Define industry plant and what qualifies as such?
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 8:23:21 AM No.149092251
>>149091697 (OP)
Industry plants don't exist. It is a term created by the type of people who don't understand what marketing is.
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 8:24:41 AM No.149092260
>>149091718
>>149092012
I don't hate her, she just came out of nowhere and got super popular.
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 8:25:08 AM No.149092263
Peach is part of the genuinely talented minority in this hack infested industry.

>>149091772
T King is the son of a Warner Bros executive. He has bragged about it. That is why he fails upward.
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 8:26:29 AM No.149092274
>>149092251
Don't you mean networking?
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 8:38:28 AM No.149092349
>>149091718
Why? She failed in Japan but found success in America because her husband did a great job marketing her by selling Marvel on her at a time where anime was growing in popularity and Marvel was going all in on variant covers despite being a rather mid artist.

She's popular because she's marketed well, not for actual talent, which is the epitome of an industry plant.
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 8:41:59 AM No.149092372
>>149092349
>She's popular because she's marketed well, not for actual talent
What kind of cope is this? Her work is technically very impressive and aesthetically appeals to a lot of people. Not even the biggest Peach fan but she's not mediocre at all
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 8:59:37 AM No.149092474
Plants could exist, but they don't. The industry is too small, too niche, and too irrelevant. Look up how many people work at Marvel and DC. Not freelance writers/artists, actual workers. Compared to other industries, it's practically nothing.

Comics don't make money. Look at the names on your funny books. The writer is long-term angling to become an indie who will option their original IP or a screenwriter building a portfolio. The artists come in with passion, but earn exponentially less than they would doing the same art in any other industry. They want to build a name for themselves so when they burn out, they can do variants, or they're attached to an original indie IP they can option. The exception to this is ESL artists from countries with currencies worth dirt (look how many Spanish names you see on your comics - it's crazy).

There's absolutely nepotism. When an industry is this small, it's even more rampant than it would be otherwise. People get chosen for spots over equally skilled people because they're friends, have more in common, etc. No shit. That's not a plant. Industry plants are manufactured and cultured identities. The writers/artists you hate aren't that. At worst, they got the job because they can handle the workload (which most people can't, because it's pennies for insane amounts of work), and they're friends with the others around them.

Nepotism is bullshit, but it's not an industry plant. Greg isn't assistant manager at your McDonald's because he's an industry plant. He's manager because he plays CoD with the manager after work. Comics are irrelevant. There are no industry plants, and industry plants occur in industries where a cultured identity (like music) is relevant. They're not in comics.
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 9:03:04 AM No.149092493
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>>149092474
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 9:06:28 AM No.149092511
That one Norwegian/Swedish woman that Marvel and DC keeps giving books to certainly feels like one.
She came out of nowhere and she seems completely inescapable.
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 9:06:36 AM No.149092512
>>149091697 (OP)
Have you seen what they pay
Of course fucking not
They literally let living legends rot and die in their 60s, they're not paying anyone to come to message boards with a couple hundred people and AstroTurf

It's always been cope by people who can't handle the idea that they aren't some sort of universal intelligence voice of the people.
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 9:12:30 AM No.149092555
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>>149091697 (OP)
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 9:30:21 AM No.149092646
>>149091697 (OP)
Hickman is a Gay Agenda plant.
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 10:10:27 AM No.149092857
>>149092274
Both really.

>>149092474
Industry plants don't exist in the music industry either, as if you're signed to a label you are by definition in the industry.
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 10:15:23 AM No.149092884
Olivia Rodrigo is 100% an industry plant though
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 10:52:57 AM No.149093069
>>149092884
She's had the basic, successful Disney child star career trajectory.
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 11:04:34 AM No.149093135
>>149092857
>Industry plants don't exist in the music industry either, as if you're signed to a label you are by definition in the industry.
plus promoting an artist is what labels are supposed to do, how can you be an industry plant if planting is what the industry does?
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 11:22:04 AM No.149093195
>>149093135
The funniest thing is Chance the Rapper has been accused of being an industry plant despite him literally never signing with a label and all his music being self-released.
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 11:29:12 AM No.149093218
>>149093195
That's both hilarious and concerning.
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 11:30:26 AM No.149093223
>>149093218
It just shows that industry plant has always been a dog whistle for "I don't like this artist and don't think they should be successful."
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 12:37:56 PM No.149093468
>>149093223
Milli Vanilli.
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 12:41:44 PM No.149093483
>>149092474
>Dan Slott: Also let me boast to you about how I totally lied and cheated my way into getting a job at Marvel comics by pretending to be a collage student so I could get and internship, thus denying that spot to an actual collage student who could have used it and also causing Marvel to tighten up their security when it came to internships making it harder for literally everyone else in my wake. Lol ain’t I cheeky little so and so.
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 1:06:59 PM No.149093561
>>149092251
>people who don't understand what marketing is

Like you?
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 1:08:00 PM No.149093567
>>149093223
>dog whistle

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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 1:35:27 PM No.149093681
>>149092012
She’s a great illustrator, but not a great sequential artist. I appreciate that she tries, unlike all the Korean digital painters who are just in the industry to do covers.
There’s basically no connection between the cover artist and page artist pipeline these days , which is part of the reason she’s specifically singled out . She gets to do comics because she’s a popular illustrator, not because she broke in as a comic artist first.
Even a guy like Adam Hughes, who’s done way more covers than he ever did comics, had to draw sequential comic pages first before he could do covers( and he ended up being great at both). He’ll even Alex Ross, probably the best known painter in comics, had to do pages for his first few years in the industry.
Momoko’s sequential pages are nice, but you can tell she struggles pairing down her work for a comic page, and the flow of her storytelling is unpolished.
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 4:56:15 PM No.149095003
Rebecca Sugar is
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 4:57:15 PM No.149095014
>>149091697 (OP)
>pic unrelated
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 5:01:18 PM No.149095063
>>149091718
Fpbp

>>149091697 (OP)
A better example would be Stephanie Phillips, lanzing and Kelly, Tom King, Kelly Thompson, rainbow Rowell, the fat tranny writing the upcoming red hood comic. There are plenty.

>>149091967
No it’s pretty specific, people who had no history in comics then suddenly were given multiple relatively high profile gigs.
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 5:02:19 PM No.149095075
>>149092249
See: >>149095063
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 5:03:20 PM No.149095092
>>149093681
I don’t know, I kinda disagree. Someone like Jamal Campbell or Simone dimeo have a much worse time with sequential art and should stick to covers.
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 5:28:51 PM No.149095323
>Everyone I don’t like is a plant

Very convenient
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 5:34:43 PM No.149095365
>>149095092
It’s the same issue; they’re illustrators who wanted to do comics without ever really learning the medium.
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 5:36:18 PM No.149095372
>>149091718

Wasn’t she like a random artist Morrison found for Heavy Metal?
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 5:50:14 PM No.149095486
>>149095063

>people who had no history in comics then suddenly were given multiple relatively high profile gigs.

By this definition people like Kevin Smith and JMS are industry plants. Anyone who comes to comics from elsewhere?

Also checking everyone’s resumes King is really the only one who listed who came out of nowhere. The rest seem like pretty standard careers of various indie books and thankless Big 2 stuff for awhile before getting higher profile books. Thompson also wrote for some comic websites in the past. And Rowell and the Red Hood lady are novelists
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 6:00:38 PM No.149095587
>>149095063
Kelly Thompson in no way started with "high profile gigs" and in fact I'd argue Absolute Wonder Woman is the first actually high-profile book she's written
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 6:01:40 PM No.149095598
>>149095486
>in truth this is a stealth tom king deflection thread
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 6:07:31 PM No.149095654
>>149095092
No one should just stick to covers;doing covers should be something that’s earned after doing comic pages for years. And they should look like polished versions of the interiors, not entirely
different art styles.
Hiring all these artists just to do covers only happened to feed this industry that cranks out a dozen variant covers for every book to artificially boost the market.
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 6:40:04 PM No.149096060
>>149095063
>rainbow Rowell
She ran She-Hulk into the ground twice and then given Runaways again.
100% a plant.
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 6:41:17 PM No.149096078
>>149096060
you'd think they'd put her on more influential books if she was a plant
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 6:41:37 PM No.149096080
>>149091967
No, Luna Snow for example is a really blatant one
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 6:43:28 PM No.149096103
>>149095654
I agree with this. That was a nice way of saying they’re not good artists. Momoko is a good artist though.
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 6:44:32 PM No.149096118
>>149095587
Excuse me? The first gig she was given was a licensed comic by IDW. The second was a captain marvel comic.

QFT
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 6:45:56 PM No.149096136
>>149095486
>The rest seem like pretty standard careers of various indie books and thankless Big 2 stuff for awhile before getting higher profile books.
That’s not even remotely true. And the two you went on to name only prove that point further.

Also stop samefagging:

>>149095587
>>149095486
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 6:48:41 PM No.149096165
>>149096118
fucking Jem and the Holograms for fucking IDW is not a "high profile gig." And a co-writing gig with an actually high-profile writer on a comic that will never be high-profile no matter how hard Marvel tries to force it to be isn't either.
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 6:50:32 PM No.149096193
>>149096165
>captain marvel isn’t high profile… because it just isn’t, okay!!?
Concession accepted
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 6:52:02 PM No.149096199
>>149096193
It's not. Why do you think it gets cancelled and relaunched due to low sales constantly?
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 6:55:51 PM No.149096225
>>149096199
Because they have industry plants like Thompson writing it
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 6:57:50 PM No.149096236
>>149096078
>>149096165
An ongoing from the big 2 is a high profile gig for any creator let alone ones who have little to no career before it.

Why are you being so retarded about this?
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 6:58:04 PM No.149096240
>>149096225
If she's an industry plant, why don't they put her on Avengers, or Spider-Man, or an actually high-profile book? They gave Tom King Batman and a big crossover event after like a year in the industry, why did it take Thompson nearly 15 years to get an actually "big" character (and not even the actual character, an alternate universe "Ultimate" version).
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 6:59:01 PM No.149096247
>>149095063
>people who had no history in comics then suddenly were given multiple relatively high profile gigs.

So in other words you just want to cry that DC and Marvel hire new talent and occasionally give them a chance on a bigger title rather than a random anthology.
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 6:59:15 PM No.149096251
>>149096236
because you're using "industry plant" as shorthand for "new writer I don't like" and it mildly annoys me
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 7:01:29 PM No.149096272
>>149095486
JMS wrote tons of comics before working for marvel though. I would agree smith was a plant but only in so far as he was the “comics guy” from the movies and so they used his name for sales.

>novelist
Isn’t comics. Which is exactly the point. Their literary agents got them the gig.
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 7:02:34 PM No.149096286
>>149096240
Because industry plant Jed mckay is on one of those books.

Thompson’s second gig was captain marvel, which makes her every bit as much of a plant as king.
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 7:03:11 PM No.149096292
>>149096240
>They gave Tom King Batman and a big crossover event after like a year in the industry

Tom King had written several highly acclaimed comics at that point, you fucking dunce. He was the hot new name everyone was hyped over. He also co-wrote Grayson which was also popular/ That’s why he got Batman.
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 7:03:24 PM No.149096295
>>149096286
Marvel really got you with their propaganda that Carol is a big important character, huh
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 7:03:35 PM No.149096297
>>149096251
No no see you already said this and it was proven untrue.
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 7:04:38 PM No.149096311
If you ever need proof that these faggot ass writers and the industry shills police this place just look at industry plant threads lol.

They seethe so much over being called out.
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 7:04:48 PM No.149096314
>>149096297
I don't see any proof that it's untrue in this thread
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 7:09:37 PM No.149096364
>>149091718
>>149095063
>>149092012
>>149093681
>>149095014
>Peach Defense Force out in full force today
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 8:14:50 PM No.149097046
>>149093468
Milli Vanilli were not plants per se.
It's a long story but there was this german producer who really liked soul music, he tried to move the the US but after people got weirded out by a german guy trying to play soul he returned to germany and decided to hire black actors to be the face of his music and his first project was Boney M, he was successful enough with it so Milli Vanilli was his attempt to move further on with modern R&B.
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 8:20:17 PM No.149097109
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>>149091697 (OP)
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 8:22:17 PM No.149097126
industry plants only make sense for an industry that is thriving
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 8:23:18 PM No.149097136
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>>149092474
literal perfect explanation/summary. good on ya anon
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 8:33:03 PM No.149097237
Feel like the real problem is lack of defining terms.

>>149096165

Co-writing on an event comic even. Then she did a Kate Bishop book and the Rogue and Gambit book before her run on Captain Marvel. Not nobodies, but B-listers, and I think you could make an argument that series reignited interested in them as a couple. I also think they were both planned as miniseries that got extended. Her Carol run was also probably the most successful since Kelly Sue.
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 8:37:38 PM No.149097273
>>149091697 (OP)
I wouldn't call Momoko a plant, more a strategic push.
She'd worked independently in manga before, manga Marvel likely wouldn't want to publish themselves, but they likely have her front and center despite that to draw manga readers to them and likely approached her because people they knew happened to know her, instead of trying to reach out to an unknown.
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 8:41:20 PM No.149097306
>>149097237
Even if you define the terms people will reduce it to "things I don't like". Look at Mary-Sue, it was well defined for use in fanfics but people started to use it for actual characters.
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 8:45:28 PM No.149097357
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>>149092349
>>149091697 (OP)
OP you dumb fag
"industry plant" means this: CHILDREN OR SIBLINGS OF PEOPLE IN INDUSTRY CORPS (ie disney, marvel, warner, dc, etc) BEING PASSED OF AS ORGANICALLY SCOUTED TALENT
Momoko isn't a plant. Marketing yourself well qualifies as organic.

The creator of pic rel was an actual bona fide industry plant except he was too stupid to be planted successfully.
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 8:48:17 PM No.149097389
>>149092474
yeah this post earns the /thread
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 8:49:37 PM No.149097402
>>149093681
>>149095092
>>149095092
>>149095365
>>149096364
Can somebody post an example of her "bad" sequential art? I dont follow capeshit much but her illustrations are nice and I'd like to understand the other side of the argument.
and there's no way in fucking hell I'm buying any ultimate x-shit
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 8:58:09 PM No.149097480
>>149097402
not a single soul here buys comics. just go to a reader site
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 9:00:27 PM No.149097499
>>149097046
The practice of hiring actors for music was kind of common in the Euro music scene too. Especially for club hits.
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 9:01:34 PM No.149097512
>>149097357
>he creator of pic rel was an actual bona fide industry plant
> CHILDREN OR SIBLINGS OF PEOPLE IN INDUSTRY CORPS
who was he related to?
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 9:06:26 PM No.149097555
>>149097357
I’d argue industry plants can also refer to creators who present themselves as independent but are secretly backed by big business money.
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 9:09:02 PM No.149097585
>>149096311
This it’s transparent as can be
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 9:57:38 PM No.149098052
>>149097555
The term was coined to call out the children of obscure names in the business side of the music suddenly becoming pop stars in the 2010s
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 10:02:34 PM No.149098108
>>149097357
That's just basic nepotism. Very, very few people with familial connections in any industry broadcast said connections. Nick Cage? Industry plant. George Clooney? Industry plant? Beyonce? Industry plant.

>>149097357
>>149097512
Kibblesmith isn't related to anyone in the industry. He started off at Buzzfeed and The Onion before moving to tv writing. Comic-wise he started at Valiant.

>>149097555
That brings up a potential issue. Is an artist an industry plant if they have a record deal but independently release music through a side project? What about artists who aren't signed to a label but have distribution contracts with major labels?

>>149097499
Pretty common in the American dance scene too until Martha Wash kept suing everyone for using her work without credit or royalties.