Thread 149092428

What did Barney do to become so hated and mocked? Nobody mocked stuff like Blues Clues, Bear in the Big Blue House, Clifford, Arthur, and plenty of others as much as Barney.

>>149092428 (OP)
Have you ever actually seen an episode
Shit makes the fucking Teletubbies look like highbrow, sophisticated, and challenging cinema.

>>149092445
Yeah... you COULD blame everyone for being so cruel to the dinosaur that simply wanted to be your friend...
Or you could blame the retarded dinosaur for being so stupid.

>>149092428 (OP)
Of all those shows, Barney easily had the least substance. Not for nothing, I was sick of Barney by the time I turned 5.

>>149092445
Yeah, I used to watch it all the time as a kid and it honestly felt no different than stuff like Big Blue House or Rollie Pollie Ollie.

https://youtu.be/IhIUEN8U63Q?si=-Dle1h5g4R6P8MGM
Even just giving some of these episodes a cursory glance, it's not that different from plenty of other pre-school shows out there. If we're using Teletubbies as a comparison, that show is far more unhinged. Even as a little kid, their babbling annoyed me and scared me at times.

>>149092428 (OP)
The "I love you" song might have been a good deal of the mockery due to overly sappy it is

>>149092428 (OP)
In the Barney documentary it was a bunch of leftists who shit on Barney because it was the current thing. Like everyone does on Facebook today.

>>149092428 (OP)
I don't know, but every single Barney parody back then made me laugh like hell.
I remember almost shitting my pants when the skimo kills Barney on Mafia!
I really miss guffawing like I used to when I was a kid.

>>149092428 (OP)
It offered zero entertainment value to kids after they grew out of it. Lots of kids watch kid shows a few years after they’re past the target age because of other factors. Arthur had a plot and Blue Clues has a mystery, Barney had nothing.

>>149092428 (OP)
People thought he was literally gay and retarded which were both very frowned upon in the 90’s and early 2000’s. Notice how none of the other dinos got the hate that Barney got on the show because they didn’t talk with a deep voice and a slight lisp.

>>149092464
>>149092428 (OP)
Bear in the Big Blue House was deliberately designed to be an anti-Barney by respecting the intelligence of the kids watching and not wanting to make any parents watching with their kids feel like shooting themselves.

>>149092445
>>149092473
>Teletubbies
At least Barney used actual fucking words.

>>149092428 (OP)
The 90s were a very edgy cynical time. Barney was a vacuous 20 odd minutes of rote children's television programming but generally It stayed on it's own time slot. You really had to go out of your way to be bothered by something as bland as this. People wanted to seem like they were cooler than this so they attacked some thing that wasn't even putting up a fight.

It's pretty funny that both Garfield and Dog City had episodes of a Barney parody using hypnosis on the masses, and both aired on the same year.

>>149092600
Too bad it was dull when compared to Sesame Street

>>149092428 (OP)
Die you degenerate Barneyfag.

barney was a closet pedo

>>149092428 (OP)
Barney was insanely popular. Now for my favorite Blue's Clues parody.
https://youtu.be/rN6LnmhspG0?si=_qPDQsRWTdkBXVzO

>>149092428 (OP)
go away zoomer. you we'rent there. you can't know what it was like

>>149092445
Don't shittalk Teletubbies fag, the social and philosophical implications of that series have driven full-grown adults to madness.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JcDp8l_Bdc

>>149093520
Facebook boomer tier post

The voice and signing are so incredibly annoying to adults who had to put up with it if they had kids.

>>149093832

lol shutup stupid bitch

>>149092428 (OP)
Barney was the answer to a load of angry moms who demanded the most shitty garbage show with loads of "love" and "happiness" so they could sit their kids for hours in front of the tv to be "educated", literally a brainwashing project that became artificially famous.

>>149093858
make me, pussy

We have failed as a society.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=JatTmEfa3aU

>>149092445
Dude Tellitubbies was literal sub-verbal brainrot. It was awful

>>149092477
One thing about the documentary was that all the Gen X college students in the 90s hating on Barney all hated it because they liked Sesame Street more. Which is reasonable in that Sesame Street was better TV for kids, but it’s also so sad as a college student to even care about that, really showed how pathetic a generation gen x could be.

>>149092477
Which is funny because the doc is done by a bunch of leftist also claiming it was the right freaking out that Barny was turning kids gay.

>>149093948
Part of Gen X rebelling against Baby Boomer mentalities literally involved them breaking the animation age ghetto. It's a big reason that cartoons starting in the late 80s started to get more experimental and target wider audiences again, and also incorporated increasingly adult themes. On the other hand it had a bunch of adult trying to psycho-analyze fucking Barney. So yeah, double-edged sword.

>>149093948
It seemed to last quite a bit outside Gen X as well. I remember back in mid-2010, there was an infamous user named BlackBusterCritic who uploaded a video asking fans of Barney, Thomas and Sonic as to why they were fans of those franchises.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=YFSZup9vfds

One of these responses was Jeremy Crispo, who was a devoted Barney and Thomas fan, and then that resulted in a slew of videos essentially dunking on the guy. For example:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=rmaOFkvnzBA

There was another Barney fan named tooner14 (or tooner1994) who you might remember as making those weird crossover fanarts you see in DeviantArt threads sometimes, pic related. He also got caught in the crossfire around this time and people made commentaries on him as well, seemingly just by association.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=lfvJx50g20s

Barney is not my favorite show from when I was a kid but the way how some people seethe about that purple dinosaur is insane

>>149092428 (OP)
It treated children like idiots. Real idiots, the sort of mental absence that they'd have to be drunk or stoned to enjoy. It was "you must enjoy this" and most didn't enjoy it.
It deserved the hate. Kids put up with school, so they get to watch some tv, and Barny the dinosaur is what they get stuck watching? There's reasons why the Jurassic Park series has gone on so long.

>>149093948
>Which is reasonable in that Sesame Street was better TV for kids
But it wasn't, Sesame Street was terrible for learning anything, it just encourages mindless repetition.

>>149092428 (OP)
It was the first kids show that adults couldn't be in the room for. Earlier kids shows had some sort of intrinsic watchability, but not Barney. As an adult I can watch an episode of Mister Rogers' Neighborhood, 3-2-1 Contact, or Reading Rainbow and enjoy them with my children. Can't watch Barney.

>>149093948
Even Sesame Street despised Barney and did its fair share of bashing him.

>>149092428 (OP)
>What did Barney do to become so hated and mocked?
he was a crappy show that adults were forced to sit through when they needed something for kids to watch

> Nobody mocked stuff like Blues Clues, Bear in the Big Blue House, Clifford, Arthur, and plenty of others as much as Barney.
they did
they just were never nearly as popular or widespread as barney was and so people didnt get tired of them

the barney show also just wasnt very good, so you got tired of it quicker

>>149094173
For me, it was Square One TV and Mathnet.
>"The story you are about to see... is a fib, but it's short."

>>149094174
Not entirely true. I remember reading a story about how Bob West, Barney's original voice actor, was invited by Peter Linz to tour the Sesame Street set back in the day, and how he even got to sit in Big Bird's nest.

Aside from that, it seems that tensions between the two have settled over the years. Pic related, although admittedly, Caroll was pretty much on his deathbed at this point, so it only seems natural that they finally buried the hatchet.

>>149092428 (OP)
Because Barney doesn't have any kind of educational value. All of those other shows you listed do. Barney is the Power Rangers of edutainment. It's just loud and dumb. It's probably the reason why so many late millennials are blithering fucking idiots.

>>149094283
It tries to teach kids to be kind and considerate to others which is important desu

>>149092428 (OP)
Barney was the Cocomelon/Youtube Kids of the 90s, just like we mock today.
>>149092445
Teletubbies was cringe brainrot shit back then
>T. Kid that grew up with Teletubbies

>Everyone in the thread trying to deepen shit
The actual reasons boil down to the fact that Barney was such a fucking inescapable juggernaut and people's little little kids or siblings or nieces wanted Barney toys, Barney birthdays and would rush to the TV. Where Sesame Street and Blue's Clues and what have you come in is that they were all made with a simple principle in mind. The Thomas creator sums it up, to paraphrase
>You're not just making this for the kids, but for the parents, grandparents and babysitters who will be forced to read and watch it again and again and again.
Finally, as people have noted. Barney was this obnoxiously, constantly happy character who was there to comfort the kids in a way that was typically reserved for the adult characters. He never really showed signs of anger or being upset and to adult viewers this felt dissonant and dishonest.
So Barney was really the definition of "turn it on to shut your kids up while you make coffee" shows, but instead of staying to that, he invaded your life.

>>149092428 (OP)
The Jihad to Destroy Barney might've been the earliest internet meme to make it into the mainstream.

>>149092428 (OP)
He was the brainrot of his time.

>>149092483
>I really miss guffawing like I used to when I was a kid
Same but I stopped when I was a kid. At first I was scared I'd lost the ability to laugh.

>>149092428 (OP)
It was in the wrong place at the wrong time

It got big in the early 90s when popular media was about being edgy an sticking it to the man (this was the same era of early Simpsons, Beavis and Butthead, Ren and Stimpy, and Grunge) as a take that to the safer wholesome media of the 80s

So the show about the sickeningly sweet singing purple dinosaur became an unfortunate target for everyone at the time who was older than 5.

It also was one of the first preschool shows to not really try to appeal to anyone outside its demographic. Sesame Street and Mr Rodgers tended to appeal better to kids and their parents for example.

>>149092445
>>149092473
>>149092698
>>149093807
>>149094439
Not to be the guy who defends Teletubbies, but the intention of the show was that the people who made discovered that TV trying to teach kids below 2 by directly talking to them like you would talk to a adult was not affective, as the only way a child that young can learn at that age by repetitive association, firstly introducing the of concept of things like colors, numbers and individuals exist before teaching abou them. It was not pre-school education, it was pre-pre-school education
The main issue is that the producers never wanted the show to be reprised on television that much or to be marketed for merch and kids above 4. This is why they all left the production early on and the producers did whatever they wanted to milk it

>>149092428 (OP)
Barney made kids stupider

>>149094022
Gen Xers were the ones who basically defined internet culture and it still has ripple effects.
A lot of what we consider “millennial writing” is stuff established by Gen Xers that millennial teenagers consumed and imitated. This website is essentially the product of moot , a millennial, who was on a website full of gen Xers that he was influenced by and who rejected him.
Stuff like Barney being bad and annoying is stuff that was just firmly entrenched in the culture and just never went away.

>>149092428 (OP)
hating barney was a cultural movement
it was big for kids as it became an easy way to claim maturity for second graders and the like
>oh yeah I HATE barney!
also some parents found it annoying

>>149092428 (OP)
If you watch this episode the barney thing actual beats the warners

>>149095883
Only because he's too stupid to know what pain is. I'd say they stalemate at best.

>>149093908
>his most recent video is him creating a life size replica of the Barney costume
What’s he gonna do with it…?

>>149092428 (OP)
there were a bunch of very vocal moms and old people saying that barney is how children's entertainment should be, while lobbying the government to require educational content in all kids shows

>>149093858
I see where his daughter gets her rudeness from.

>>149092483
>Mafia!
That movie was a trip

>>149095926
remember when console wars meant anything back then? good times

>>149095494
As someone born at the tail end of the 90s, I feel that is the main reason. It got big but its tone and general arua of unironic sentimentality and softness so jarringly contrasted with the anger that was dominant in American 90s culture that a backlash happened. Also, as a product of that, hating on Barney, as noted by >>149095864, was a way to show "maturity" among even young kids.

Just compare the reaction to the original show with the very "it exists" reaction to the tonally similar CG reboot that came out recently.

>>149094167
>mindless repetition
Which is most learning is.

>>149097400
Repeating things without understanding is not learning.

Not sure, ask the Barney video essayists

https://www.youtube.com/@thebarneydesk/videos

>>149095623
>A lot of what we consider “millennial writing” is stuff established by Gen Xers that millennial teenagers consumed and imitated.

It's kind of a mix of Gen X and Boomer. For internet stuff, you're right that it's predominantly Gen X (Seanbaby, Maddox, Portal of Evil, Lowtax/Something Awful, Drew Curtis/Fark, most of those guys were Gen X)

But if you want to get technical Gen X and Millennial were also getting influenced by stuff Boomers were doing during the 90s. OP's example of Animaniacs; that's a show created by a Boomer (Tom Ruegger was born in the mid-1950s) and the Baloney segment was also written by a Boomer (Peter Hastings was born 1960). Ren and Stimpy was created by a Boomer (John K was born 1955). Mystery Science Theater 3000, the show that late 00s/early 10s internet reviewers grew up with and used as a guideline, was done primarily done by Boomers. Joss Whedon is a Boomer (born in 1964). I'm pretty sure the 90s Simpsons creators/writing staff/etc was primarily Boomer, too.

>>149092445
kek

>>149092428 (OP)
Even the Mask had a similar character,
Barnaby the Dinosaur I think...

>>149097733
>I'm pretty sure the 90s Simpsons creators/writing staff/etc was primarily Boomer, too.
Fun fact: the oldest Simpsons writer ever (Thomas Chastain) was born in 1921.

Barney was especially very hugboxy in a way that made it more annoying and faggy than the others OP mentioned. Did you even watch it?

You guys know what show shares a network with Barney, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63xEHHJfCPs

>WHAT'S GOOD, NIGGA?

>>149097502
I've seen "lore master" autists like this for many franchises, yet I'm still shocked that even fucking Barney has one of those people

>>149093807
>Redditsauce

>>149098973
Arthur bros... what do we have to say for ourselves?

>>149094022
Pure autism.

>>149097469
Anon, you know Sesame Street mostly teaches things like shapes, colors, numbers and letters? Which is mostly done by repetition?

>>149094137
>most didn't enjoy it
What? Tons of pre-schoolers were legitimately obsessed with Barney. It was a cultural phenomenon.

>>149098973
Toopy and Binoo?

>>149099793
>This put teachers into a tough position. In the traditional school setting, teachers would spend anywhere from a quarter of an hour to a half hour on a given subject, teaching the kids to think and understand things before they utilized them. “Sesame Street” taught kids to put up fingers in sequence and say “1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10” before the fully grasped the notion of greater and lesser quantities.

>Oh, eventually they would understand–either from school, or by continuing to watch “Sesame Street” and eventually garnering comprehension from some of the longer sketches. Nevertheless the cart had already been put before the horse, and kids were clutching on for dear life.

>The creators of “Sesame Street” understood that, before you teach a child something, you have to get his or her attention. The rapid-fire imaging did that. Fine. No problem. Once the attention is caught, it can have very positive value if the avenues are broadened: If parents watched “Street” with their kids, or read to them, then that’s beneficial–using “Street” as a building block. But parents who simply used the show as a hypnotic babysitter (“Here, watch Cookie Monster. Mommy’s busy.”) leave the kids to dwell on the superficiality only. And kids who want all learning processes to be like that machine-gun introduction are going to be frustrated.

>>149098973
Antiques Roadshow?

>>149094220
>Mathnet
My nigga

Let's Tie Barney To A Tree~

>>149092428 (OP)
Barney was to the 90s the same way Jar Jar Binks was to the 2000s or Minions was to the 2010s. He was mocked because he was just a bad influence for children for being dumbed down

>>149092428 (OP)
it enraged Lee Goldson

>>149092428 (OP)
I remember there were people who hated Power Rangers as well for being really stupid and had no idea why it was bigger than Animaniacs, which premiered around the same time

>>149102273
that was until the mid-to-late of that same decade when the Pokemon games became incredibly huge and that anime dominated the Saturday Morning lineup, causing the end of Power Rangers' popularity. It's what we call a trend

>>149098973
Siskel & Ebert before their move to ABC's Circle 7 affiliate and syndication?

>>149092477
>trying to latch your political war on a babies show

>>149092445
I dont think so.

Telletubbies is another level that actually makes me racist towards brits. You need to think of it from the artist perspective. What kind of thought process would lead towards the creation of what you're seeing. Once you do that it becomes ragebait.

>>149092428 (OP)
The voice was unusually annoying, and that kind of content was less common when it first came out

>>149092428 (OP)
Gee, I wonder what the main demographic is for all those shows. Animaniacs and Simpsons riff on anyone.

>>149093908
This guy was tortured and raped. Leave him alone. :(

>>149092475
Gen X deserves the hell it made for itself

>>149096171
He's going to be one Barney

>>149092428 (OP)
he deserves it.

>>149092428 (OP)
real answer, he's not too different from religious propaganda mascots. He doesn't preach god, but he's got the approval of midwestern moms who home school.

>>149092428 (OP)
Where’s Lee?

>>149092428 (OP)
Barney walked (and took a bullet) so Arthur, Blue's Clues, Franklin, and Bear in the Big Blue House could run.

>>149099015
it's a niche, a marketable one at that
I'm surprised there hasn't been more discussion of how easy it is to just shack up in some fandom of literally anything and start making video essays on it till you get enough people to open a patreon up

>>149103459
those were all quite better than barney
barney really didn't have much to it beyond sugary sweet songs and nicities and not much else
blue's clues was at least engaging, and bear was that and some alongside more thoughtful and heartfelt stories and themes without being so saccharine and cloying as to be unbearable
franklin was a more standard cartoon but still leagues barney
Arthur doesn't even deserve to be spoken of in the same breath as barney, it's the GOAT children's pbs cartoon and is unmatched in writing (in the early seasons at least).

These kids shows were unironically funded by the elites to dumb down your kids. It legitimately stunts the growth of toddlers and really this should be obvious if you ever bothered to watch them.
I raise my toddlers on shakespeare and uhh car mechanic videos.

>>149092428 (OP)
It was fucking everywhere and it was trash. In the early 1990s, Barney wasn't a preschooler show; Barney was THE preschooler show. It had 0 conflict, the songs were gay, and it was incredibly manipulative with an imaginary dinosaur letting the kids know he loves them. Barney doesn't even know you. It isn't creative or fun or even all that educational. Zoomers who had Yo Gabba Gabba growing up don't know how good they had it.

>>149094229
The notion that Big Bird and Barney were both a couple of old farts seems oddly hilarious.

>>149092428 (OP)
It’s because he comes across as fake and molester. Can you imagine Barney being sad or getting angry? He’s a lie. A creepy creepy lie. Sesame Street And Mr Rogers have real emotions. Barney is like the kind of Sunday School you’re tortured with in an ironic hell.

>>149093908
>all those comments

I never really thought about this.
interesting.

>>149100310
WTF is even wrong with American kids if they need counting explained to them? I learned that shit on my own from asking for things and then being asked about the quantity I want. English reading is retarded, so I guess they need help there. My language is phonetic, so we just give kids an alphabet and they learn reading on their own.

>>149093948
>but it’s also so sad as a college student to even care about that
Everyone wants to pretend that TV or video games or whatever have no effect on a person's psyche because every decade some new buzzkill steps up to censor everything cool like violence or boobs. But honestly, the ONLY fiction worth really caring about for any practical reason is fiction for children. They're the only group of people who are exposed to television, bedtime stories, etc. before their brains fully develop, and often not ones that they chose. They also imitate what they see, which is why parents hate stuff like Caillou that basically teaches kids that everyone will be nice and patient with them if they decide to have a tantrum. Some adult dipshit wants to watch trashy reality TV or a by the numbers, direct to streaming clichefest after a long day of waging? That's fine. On some level they (hopefully) know that it's just throwaway entertainment. A child, on the other hand, is going to watch a lot more of this stuff and develop unconscious biases that they carry through adolescence into adulthood. There was shitty pablum before Barney, the Wiggles, Dragon Tales, etc. but these franchises came at a time when home video was widespread and television viewing was at its apex. A lot of millennials watched these shows because they weren't allowed to go play outside unless it was at their participation trophy youth sports event thanks to stranger danger helicopter parenting. I don't think it's a coincidence that this generation invented safe spaces and pushed shit like microaggressions. Everyone should be afraid for the current youngest kids who frequently have an algorithm show them nonstop Cocomelon or Elsa Spiderman foot surgery vids made by jeets.

>>149092475
They literally tortured people in Gitmo with it.

>>149092428 (OP)
It's an easy target, a lot of parents probably or most definitely found him boring and repetitive but kids really loved him.
I didn't dislike him, It's a dinosaur so it is easy to love and hard to hate as a kid.
I still remember some songs or at least the tunes, it was fine for what it was.
To be honest I hate a lot of modern shows but I can't muster an ounce of hate for Barney because at the end of it all it was just a baby show.
>>149093908
At some point you have to respect the commitment.

>>149092428 (OP)
It always felt forced in a "popular thing bad" kind of how people hate Minions nowadays. In a way it also felt like the writers being salty. Tiny Toons for example would go to mock The Simpsons back in the day and they weren't the only ones.

>>149107149
The only noteworthy post of this thread

>>149095544
Interesting if true.

>>149092445
Teletubbies is more avant-garde than what most adults watch.

Obligatory

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EUNYAQpQnY

>>149092428 (OP)
The GoAnimate crowd is obsessed with Barney. Like what is this
https://youtu.be/kdYxLHyNcm8?si=sQNzPkVu7R1Xk_ej

>>149107215
You can torture people with Michael Jackson music if you play it loudly and repeatedly.

>>149103847
I only watched Yo Gabba Gabba because i wanted Foofa and Toodee to suck my dick

>>149109201
You need a refined palette and media literacy to appreciate the subtext of The Teletubbies

>>149107149
I mean if we're being totally honest. Violent and sexy video games and movies totally have a negative influence on developing minds.
Provided those minds are already being nurtured in shitty homes with a shitty sense of boundaries and helicopter parents coddling them from the real world.
A child's sense of empathy around something like violence is gonna develop when they skim a knee or break a bone riding their bike or something and genuinely experience the suffering that comes with pain divorced from the slapstick or heroic violence they see on TV and learn to separate the fiction from the reality.
Then they have parents who yell at them and neglect them on a more emotional level and suddenly you've now got a spoiled brat with underdeveloped empathy who now has a bone to pick with the world.
That's what fucked a lot of shit up, that rule around letting kids make mistakes and sometimes suffer the consequences of their own actions has been relatively thrown out the window and since they're inside all day, they have less chances to develop the proper empathy or build character because they aren't creating the proper experiences.

>>149111243
How weak minded are you?

>>149092428 (OP)
>What did Barney do to become so hated and mocked?

Being mind numbingly boring. If you wanted a good definition of "white noise for your kids" that was it.

>>149097058
now everything is basically a pre-built.