Thread 149110551

What the fuck were they thinking

>>149110551 (OP)
> ntr

>>149110551 (OP)
Rewrite the episode, BUT you have to keep Terry having Bat genetics.

>>149110551 (OP)
/co/ spamming this scene made me lose all interest in watching Batman Beyond
Thanks, /co/

>>149110609
Ironically, this scene is from Justice League Unlimited

>>149110588
Warren is Babs and Bruce’s secret love child she gave up for adoption.
He looks like a young Jim Gordon as is.

>>149110551 (OP)
You are witnessing Warren inherit greatness to procreate greatness.

>>149110588
Have Terry getting injected as kid getting his immunizations instead

>>149110588
I wouldn't - it defeats the entire purpose of Terry's arc in the series.

>>149110588
>Rewrite the episode, BUT you have to keep Terry having Bat genetics.
>Rewrite the episode but you have to keep the part that necessitates a rewrite
the smart stuff

>>149110551 (OP)
>"Wait a minute, this series had a redhead that I, Bruce Ti-- Err, Batman, wasn't fucking? Phew, thank god we still have an episode left to write."

>>149110551 (OP)
I never liked Batman Beyond so your seethe soothes me.

>>149110551 (OP)
There was a furry tank game that had something similar to this.

>>149110551 (OP)
I honestly don't understand the writer's decision here. Because it is a miracle that Terry, the unknown bastard son of Batman, just so happened to get chased by the Joker gang to Bruce Wayne's house and then discover the Batcave because of a bat behind a clock. Unless your telling me that the gang chasing him and even the fucking bat were all paid off by Waller to steer Terry to the batcave, then this has to be the greatest of cosmic coincidences.

>>149110551 (OP)
>luckily I have some Bat-nut spray in my utility belt

>>149112453
>if there's even a 1% chance that somebody else's sperm make it to an egg, I have an obligation to rewrite their DNA

>>149110935
Huh. Would that work? It MIGHT work. What's the timing on all this? Assuming Babs gets pregnant right at the start of TNBA, which is what she'd have to do if it's right when Dick has gotten back, would her child be the right age to be Terry's dad? How far in the future does Beyond take place from TNBA?

it should be legal to kill writers who do dumb shit like this

>>149112497
>would her child be the right age to be Terry's dad?
Yeah.

>>149112497
>How far in the future does Beyond take place from TNBA?
Bout 40 years.

>>149110551 (OP)
They knew the endless seething from you will be endless, and when the time comes, it will power a Perpetual Energy Machine.

Ultimately this is all academic, because there's no real way to make "Bruce is actually Terry's dad/granddad" work, because that change betrays something fundamental about what makes Beyond such a good show. One of the show's strongest ideas is that Batman is made, not born. Terry, in the original series, has no genetic connection to Bruce. He's just a street-smart kid who gets into trouble and is handy in a fight. But when his father is murdered he develops a thematic, a spiritual, connection to Bruce. Terry has lost a parent just like Bruce lost his parents, and both of them lost those parents to the criminal element of Gotham City. Terry even bothers to bring this up in the pilot movie. What unites Bruce and Terry isn't genetics, it's shared tragedy, and the willpower that both men have to use that tragedy for good.

Making them related betrays this idea. It was a terrible decision.

>>149110551 (OP)
after a decade of reading ntr doujins this shit didn't even seem weird to me

>>149110588
The simple answer is that they pulled the switch at the hospital with a test tube baby they made from a sample of Batman's DNA. The real Terry just went to into the foster system and wound up moderately happy elsewhere.

>>149112497
Batman retires 20 years after "we last saw him" which would have been TNBA at the time, with Beyond being another 20 years after that.
Though JL and JLU could have pushed his retirement further back.

>>149111693
You're pathetic.

>>149112435
>>149112658
Because it was a twist that they came up with at the last minute entirely based on Terry's hair color.
It's funny, as shitty as the New 52 Batman Beyond was and how much it over relied on "___ Beyond", one thing it did particularly right was pitting Terry against Damien while ignoring the whole "Bruce's son" twist and just let it be about a birthright vs an earned title.
The Earth-12 comics did something similar as while Bruce was fundamentally a mentor and a father figure, Dick Grayson came into that comic and would split both roles with him, Bruce being the bigger mentor while Dick played a more significant father figure for Terry outside of Batman.

"Wait...neither of Terry's parents have black hair...fuck, we gotta fix that somehow."

>>149112683
It feels like Watchtower Database has completely brainrotted the DCAUsuals with all this fucking timeline autism. Like, when you listen to how they talk about Bruce Timm's comments on all this, they almost sound absolutely repulsed by DCAU having a floated timeline like any other fucking series.

>>149110551 (OP)
Someone really looked at Batman Beyond and thought “how is he Batman? He’s just some kid!”

>>149112497
Why would it be before TNBA? Bruce and Babs relationship only starts after the events of the show, after Dick fucks off for good. The scenario Babs outlines in Beyond is similar to the one in Old Wounds so you may be confused, but it’s not the same since Babs implies he left for good the second time. That all happens within 10 years after the last we see of them in the “ present”, then by the 10th year Bruce retires after using a gun. Sometime before he retired, Babs had quit. Then 40 ( or 30) years later,Beyond happens.
That’s enough time for Warren to be anywhere from his mid 30s to his late 40s. Which seems right.

>>149110551 (OP)
Considering Terry's younger brother is also the biological son of Batman, I wonder if he'd ever take up the mantle of Robin or Nightwing.

>>149112793
It’s the result of needing to mind a series that ended 18 years ago for new content. And one whose creators were very open and transparent about the creative process. There is nothing new to learn, but people still care so they’re going to bleed the fuck out that stone

It's funny how in both Western and Eastern media every story about a plucky protagonist that goes on for long enough will eventually introduce the idea that actually they had special heritage all along.

>>149112793
As long as the generally stated dates makes sense, like the "20 years later" at the start of Beyond, I honestly don't care.
Trying to get a precise year for a universe that started with two deliberately anachronistic shows, just seems like a fool's errand.

>>149112703
Nah that's you.

>>149112792
They coulda just had it so one of them likes to dye their hair, but no.

>Warner Bros: "Hey, we're gonna do Batman Begins, Christopher Nolan is doing it, if it does well pretty much every bat character is going to be on film, prolly gonna reboot everything DC. Yup, I bet every character even remotely related to Bruce Wayne is gonna get a movie or a live action show. Man, pretty much anyone who made an original Batman character is gonna make a lot of money...."

>Bruce Timm: "PAUL! QUICK! TERRY MCGUINNIS! MAKE HIM RELATED TO BATMAN! I KNOW, I KNOW, HE HAS A FAMILY, I DON'T CARE! AMANDA WALLER PUMPED TERRY'S DAD WITH A SPERM GUN CONTAINING BATMAN'S SPERM! SO WHEN HE CAME IN TERRY'S MOM IT WAS BAT SPERM! TERRY IS BATMAN'S CANON KIIIIIIIIIID! GIVE ME FUCKING MONEY HOLLYWOOD!"

And then no one ever touched Batman Beyond again.

>>149112756
>Because it was a twist that they came up with at the last minute entirely based on Terry's hair color.

Because "Waller used science to make Terry's dad's dick shoot Batcum" was a more logical explanation than "Terry's mom was a little naughty" or even just "hair dye lol". Though I guess dyeing your hair black is a little passé in a world where casual genetic modification is the latest trend.

>>149113589
Cope. You'll always be pathetic.

>>149110588
Everything is the same but one difference. Terry's mom's DNA is replaced with Waller's.

>>149110551 (OP)
It's been 20 years of retards either being too stupid to understand the point of the episode or intentionally missing the point so they can bitch about cuckshit.

>>149113941
It was a twist that was done to tie it back into the overall Cadmus plot (and they'd thought of exploring it even before Cadmus was a thing anyway) and they also saw it as an opportunity to reinforce the idea that Terry was his own person and not Bruce Jr.

The amount of people who whine about how the episode means that Terry is Batman because of genetics despite the episode itself outright saying the total opposite mystifies me.

>>149115622
The real tragedy is that Ace is all but forgotten when talking about the episode. That and Waller actually working with the Justice League is something I would've loved to see more of.

>>149110588

Ez rewrite the Batman program to be evil military super soldier program. Used justice league dna in hope to make their own. Fat black lady had change of heart couldn’t go thru cuz reason, either knew it would fail or pretty much torturing a kid.

Terry prime shortly died after birth due to illness. Fat bitch had a baby in hand, she was to deliver it to military or some bullshit organization but swapped it.
In her eyes, help a family and help end a doomed program. Terry still gets loving family made who he is.

Mom could be gene template or keep it Jane doe or funnier be Amanda Waller herself.

>>149114925
Nah that's you.

>>149115670
>The amount of people who whine about how the episode means that Terry is Batman because of genetics despite the episode itself outright saying the total opposite mystifies me.
It's solving a problem that doesn't exist, though. The episode only says "Terry is Batman because of who he is as a person, not because of his DNA" because they invented "Terry has Batman DNA" in the preceding 20 minutes. There's just no reason for it, the world was not split in half along pro- and anti-Terry McGinnis lines before or after this.

>>149113003
It's sorta just.. remember before the Hyrule Historia released and a constant subject of debate was the Zelda timeline? And that was because the Zelda timeline was a genuinely confusing clusterfuck which was never meant to be a timeline but the devs consistently alluded it to being one.
That imo is where a lot of the internet timeline autism started. There were series that were never meant to have a deeper lore but would consistently allude to one.

>>149115745
Agreed. It's like the best buttercream frosting on a piece of hardtack.

>>149116627
The thing is, Zelda in particular did have a running theme of playing with the timeline. The second game is a direct sequel and sets up the concept of multiple Zeldas. The third game already is established as a prequel. OoT is was initially set up as taking place before the third game, and the sages being the names of towns in Zelda 2 all hint at a timeline. And then WW continues from the N64 games.
So the concept isn't entirely foreign to that series, and it keeps getting new material adding to it..
But the DCAU is pretty cut and dried and there hasn't been much in the way of new material in years now. And the few things we get are vague if they're literally in the same universe or jsut reusing the general designs
Timm and company outright said they don't really consider the comics canon, either

>>149110609
Yeah same. Like it just feels like "why even watch or give a shit when none of it matters in the end"

>>149116603
It's perfectly fine. Again, they realized they screwed up with the hair colors back during Beyond and wanted to do an episode about it even back then. The episode isn't about Terry being the biological son of Bruce, it's a continuation and definitive statement of Terry being Bruce's successor by emphasizing both their similarities but also their differences (such as the fact Terry hasn't spent a lifetime pushing away those close to him in his fight). That's really all it is: an excuse to put a final period on the exploration of Terry, Bruce, the role of Batman and thus the DCAU as a whole by tying its future, present and past together which is further emphasized by the final scene being a recreation of the opening for On Leather Wings using an error to play with and give them a reason to do it.

>>149110935
bruce wouldnt give his kid for adoption

>>149110588
he is batmans nephew
batson is cliche, having your nephew lose a parent like you did and not being able to stop it would hurt bruce

>>149112658
>What unites Bruce and Terry isn't genetics, it's shared tragedy, and the willpower that both men have to use that tragedy for good.
This is also why I strongly dislike Damian being shoved into everything and people acting like he's essential to the mythos.

>b-b-but he's Batman's son!
So are Dick and Jason. Are adopted kids not as genuine as "real" kids?

>>149110588
Dad is from a distant branch of the Wayne family without any of the fortune.

>>149112997
If honestly rather Melanie become his Robin/Nightwing/Batgirl

>>149110588
Bruce fucks Terry's mom

>>149110935
That would make more sense actually, making Terry Bruce's secret grandkid.

>>149117719
Damian's deal is different. His being Batman's son isn't the thing that makes him capable. Being trained by his mother is. And the fact that he's taking up the mantle of Robin when there's 3-4 other ex-Robins running around who aren't Wayne heirs shows that it's not some stupid bloodlines/chosen shit to be Robin. He's just the latest one.

>>149110551 (OP)
Are irish men in futuristic superhero settings supposed to be cucked?

>>149115745
Maybe not have flashbacks and imagined flash forwards in the same fucking episode.

>>149117445
>bruce wouldnt give his kid for adoption
depends

>>149110588
It turns out the reason Terry was a match for Bruce is that they're both 100% White European, making them genetically similar compared to the rest of the denizens of an extremely multicultural future.

>>149117445
>>149120140
He wouldn't know. Yeah world's greatest detective, but Babs could probably know how to work around that and use some hacking skills to hide him in the system.
After all, Talia managed to hide Damian for years.

>>149110551 (OP)
"Well, we can't have a 70 year old Bruce Wayne running around and fucking younger women left and right."

Personally I try to pretend this didn't exist because I really liked that show

>>149113111
Does Luffy count

>>149121076
Yes
His father is an important revolutionary, his grandfather is a legend
This was long before all the nonsense with will of d, nika, and joy boy

>>149117445
The moment Bruce gets a woman pregnant he'd just go "Wait a minute, I can make my own Robins!"

>>149115745
What if Ace didn't die and took on a new identity? Unlike Young Justice, the Martian Manhunter in the JL is supposed to the last of his kind. So where did she come from? And why is she Bat's sidekick?

>>149122090
Eh, I only consider the stuff with Joy Boy and Nika egregious. Garp is introduced all things considered still early enough in the story, and Dragon's first appearence was all the way back in Loguetown so it is clear that was already planned out.

>>149122198
There was a lot going on in that movie. I love it. I thought they were breaking new ground with it too.

>>149117719
>So are Dick and Jason. Are adopted kids not as genuine as "real" kids?
People like to pretend they are, but everyone knows that's not the case, it's just lip service

>>149122198
Did Bruce and Miss. Martian bang?

>>149110551 (OP)
>>149112435
>I honestly don't understand the writer's decision here
Soft disclosure. Like that one Death Cab for Cutie album cover, or all those celebrities wearing masks in 2019.

>>149122300 (Me)
Oh, and Utopia. The Channel 4 version. Weird timing on that remake, huh?

>>149112435
The even funnier part is why would Waller hire the fucking Phantasm of all people to kill Terry's parents? why not just get some random thug, or any number of her own government agents dressed as a thug to run up and shoot them. the entire episode is retarded

>>149117719
Damian has an interesting dynamic due to being Talia's son/Ras's grandson and being a trained assassin. Plus his run with Dickbats was a pretty cool reversal having an edgy brooding Robin and a upbeat friendly Batman.

>>149110588
Joker made a joker virus with the same effect as joker venom but he purposely made it so batman was immune so he'd be the last survivor. Terry's dad helps batman stop it but gets infected and they have to use bat genes as an antidote.

Superhero shit doesn't have to make sense.

>>149122272
>On planet Oa, I thought I had a pet racoon. But he thought we were dating.

>>149122272
Well, she is a redhead...

>>149122300
>Like that one Death Cab for Cutie album cover
Which one, I want to hear the new schizo lore

>>149110588
The episode is mostly good? This one part is literally the only thing people complain about
This episode has one of the best Batman moments in all Batman related media.