After 15 long years of this wretched artstyle, the film Elio has caused tons of people online to start hating on the fact Pixar's past few films have had the same 3D beanmouth style, just look at this comment section:
https://www.reddit.com/r/cartoons/comments/1lhsbbp/pixars_current_art_style_debate/
Even REDDITORS are waking up to the fact that this style is overused and corporate, combine this with the fact that:

>Beanmouth shows like Primos and StuGo aren’t raking in enough views and are getting canned after one season, Wylde Pak is probably next on the chopping block.
>Pixar's starting to move away from the style, as seen with their upcoming films Hoppers and Gatto.
>The most successful cartoons of the decade, Smiling Friends, Hazbin Hotel, Arcane etc. don’t have this style.

It honestly seems to me that 2025 is the year the beanmouth dies. The one thing that I fear will revive it though is the fact that the big 4 of 2010's Cartoon Network are getting revivals, but MMW those revivals are gonna have downgrades in animation quality, that’s what happened with the KOTH and P&F revivals, so people are gonna hate the beanmouth style for being even MORE stiff.

GET SPUMPILLED, TOTAL BEANMOUTH DEATH

>dying
It is only just beggining.

>>149124552 (OP)
Well western cartoons in general are dying so beanmouth goes down with it.

>>149124552 (OP)
Its not dying as long as the alternatives are terrible, especially when made by like... human beanmouths.

>>149124552 (OP)
Regular Show isn’t beanmouth

>>149124552 (OP)
please get a life autist

>>149124552 (OP)
>Beanmouth is finally unpopular.
Let's go!

>>149124552 (OP)
It will continue as long as it's cheap

>>149124816
it will continue as long as the calarts clique are in control of hiring

It’s been 15 fucking years…

>>149124757
Beanmouth > Moe

>>149124816
You know, if the beanmouth style is truly dying I wonder what easy-to-animate alternative we would get? Perhaps a revival of this style?

The reason so much cartoons then looked like this is because that style was easier to animate, and it certainly is more appealing and expressive than beanmouth, combine that with the fact that tons of people are feeling nostalgic for the 2000s, seems like a perfect time to revive this artstyle

>>149124924
Kys

>>149124932
I’ll take UPA/Geometric at this point

>>149124975
you first

>>149125038
I mean we gotta keep in mind that it has to be executed well, and not look like this

The best UPA cartoons take direct influence from the original retro flat stuff rather than the 2000’s cartoons that took after it. Catching Up has the issue where it’s just a pale imitation of Butch Hartmans style rather than UPA’s style.

I also hate Total Drama's style, completely stiff and unexpressive, the most pale imitation of UPAs style

>>149125238
No you

>>149124718
Aww what’s the matter did I insult your precious beanmouth style? Well it’s dying, cry harder

>>149124932
>>149125329
i've been wondering what is gonna succeed next, but we're still in a un-innovative rut.

I feel like since Spider-Verse came out, there hasn't really been any forward animation technique that immediately catches the industry , is there even any new ways to innovate anymore or do we have to wait till technology gets better before some creative spark shows.

>>149124552 (OP)
A fun thing to do would be to invent a bunch of new styles so people can pick from my innovations. Take that beans!

>>149125564
>I feel like since Spider-Verse came out, there hasn't really been any forward animation technique
There's chinkshit called To Be Hero X that instead of being a 2D/3D hybrid like Arcane/Spiderverse it just switches between the two during cool/narratively important moments

>>149125564
If there’s no more innovative artstyles? Why not just use old ones? Wacky expressive 90’s artstyle revival when?

>>149125535
'tism

>>149125514
(You)

It's decided.
I will go and watch the stupid gay movie just to spite the Ren & Stimpy schizo, and tell everybody who doesn't care to listen how sexy the dadgrub is.

>>149125901
Artstyle aside, Elio isn’t even that good, I checked it out this weekend and thought it was fine but nowhere close to the quality of Golden Age Pixar. Its very predictable at parts, there’s a liar revealed plot that I saw coming from a mile away and predicatble death fakeout to elicit emotion. Its mainly the human designs that suck, some of the aliens looked quite interesting, but even they give off that soft beanmouth energy a bit.

If I want a stylized 3D animated film I’d rather have films have Looney Tunes-like 2D-adjacent animation like Hotel Transylvania

Also "sexy dadgrub", lmao, he’s just a worm in a mech suit, you fucking degenerate, you’d probably get some alien STD and pregnant with a chestbuster if you gave him a BJ

>>149124552 (OP)
>unironically hating beanmouth
You are a moron.

>>149126138
GRUBHUB PERKS GIVE YOU DEALS ON THE FOOD YOU LOVE, THE KIND OF DEALS THAT MAKE YOU BOOGIE

>>149126138
Get with the times retard, everyone on /co/ is shitting on Pixar’s current artstyle, redditors are waking up to the fact that the style sucks. Beanmouth shows are bland as fuck, look at this image, you wanna tell me that the artstyles of the 2020’s are more appealing than the shit that came before? Stop getting your opinions from cartoon critics who claim that "the beanmouth style dosent exist".

I’ll give you this perspective, if you were an animator, would you rather be a storyboard artist on a beanmouth show like StuGo where the characters have to be stiff as fuck and on model all the time, or would you rather work on a more cartoony show like modern SpongeBob where you’re given artistic freedom to draw whatever fun-looking facial expressions you’d like?

Your precious beanmouth style is crumbling before your very eyes and animation normies are realizing why it sucks, cope and seethe

>>149125691
It never went away, your just not watching Season 12 onwards SpongeBob/Patrick Star Show, they even got one of John K's guys running the whole thing.

>>149124552 (OP)
Instead of realizing that people are sick of lazy, uninteresting art styles, executives will come to the conclusion that people must hate cartoons now, and pivot to live-action content again

>>149126240
I know, that’s one of the reasons why those are some of the few good-looking modern cartoons. The Patrick Star Show even shat on beanmouth once. Yet SpongeBoomers think that this artstyle evolution is shit even though it looks amazing for a modern cartoon.

>>149126263
>SpongeBoomers
Do manchildren really?

>>149126226
I think it's really interesting how the 2010 - 2015 period is still stylistically diverse even with the early beanmouth inclusions, and then after that beanmouth just utterly dominates. Fucking wild how the whole industry just turned to that shit.

>>149126279
SpongeBoomers say shit like "they overdo the animation these days" or "they’re drawing expressive faces just so they can create a new meme", like do these people realize that Hillenburg returned to the show before his passing work on the show the moment it got its wacky animation? I like how SpongeBob has expressive faces and is giving artistic freedom to artists rather than just looking like any stale modern cartoon.

Like do these retards realize that the alternative would be to have the shows modern seasons look like Season 9? Stiff, on-model, and bland.

>>149126263
Its a weird situation
Basically people dislike Modern SpongeBob on principle because seasons 1-3 were a very unique and well made show in a way that the modern seasons rarely try and emulate.
In that I cannot blame them, because despite the value it provides towards the industry in keeping that type of animation alive, in a better world it would have been allowed to be its own thing instead of using SpongeBob's corpse for that purpose.

>>149126339
I think they would rather SpongeBob of ended after the movie, season 4 at best.

>>149126286
Beanmouth looked a lot better around that time IMO, look at season 1 of Star Vs. for example, characters are naturally expressive and cartoony, but as the seasons passed the animation became more stiff like the beanmouth shows of the late 2010s-onward. Season one of Gumball also looked naturally expressive, the newer seasons expressions feel like forced memes, which is funny cause that’s what people claim modern SB is doing, yet apparently Gumballs tryhard meme faces are fine.

If beanmouth shows today looked the way they did in the early 2010s I wouldn’t really hate it as much.

>>149126342
I mean that’s true, I love modern SB, but I’d rather have tons cartoony cartoons these days rather than SpongeBob being the only one doing it.

We should also keep in mind that the only reason SpongeBob has expressive animation like that is because it’s a longrunning show that makes more money and thus has a higher budget. Corporations are too stingy these days to give that kind of budget to any new cartoons.

>>149126226
This chart is retarded. The last 4 shows should be their own 2008-09 generation. All of the other shows barely aired whatsoever, if at all, during the noods era.

>>149126286
>>149126398
I think its a side effect of the reinvestment into animation following the 08 crash and subsequent economic recovery.
It wasn't like it was before, but the success of Adventure Time utilizing the Bauhaus Inspired style alongside the consolidation of production roles leading to a much lower overhead reinvigorated confidence in western animation from the cooperate side of things.
Then as the decade moved on and kids moved online, the margins of success and confidence began to dwindle alongside the budget as executives started seeing the western animation sphere as a captured but shrinking demographic.
>>149126423
Yeah, its a matter of economic circumstance, either SpongeBob's hollowed out corpse will be the Ark that sustains Wacky Animation till the next age of western animation prosperity or it will be one of the last things standing when the end comes.

>>149126342
Like tons of cartoonists WANT to have wacky Ren & Stimpy-like animation in their shows, but keep getting fucked over by the industry. You’re lucky if you’re a cartoonist who gets to work on modern SB.

For example, there were tons of modern day Cartoon Cartoons shorts which were never released thanks to the poor state of our animation industry. Some like Shavonne Cherrys and Fernando Puigs looked quite interesting and cartoony, but I guess we can’t have nice things due to our retarded corporations.

>>149126494
Do you think modern SB is the 2020’s equivalent to The New Adventures of Mighty Mouse? A wacky cartoon by animators sick of industry standards and practices who want to rebel against it?

>>149126559
I wouldn't say its rebellion as much as getting to let off steam.
There isn't a real sense of "fuck the industry" coming off what I have seen, more just an enjoyment of itself with a few cracks.
Its filling that same MMA role but I also got the vibe for MMA that the people working on it were more into using it as an outlet than Mighty Mouse as a property.
With the modern SpongeBob crew there is a definite feel of them enjoying their job in part because it is SpongeBob they get to work on.

>>149126492
Most of 2 should be associated with CN City since they all released around and within its presence as a channel brand and those last 4 shows should be their own thing.

>>149124816
Will it though? "animators" and storyboard artists who draw in the beanmouth style ask to be paid too much for such a low skill level. I feel like companies will likely switch to a more complex style to basically kick those people out so they can hire people brand new to the industry for much cheaper. Kind of like how when 3D was new they could pay 3D artists less due to them not being unionized like the 2D animators and not having too many years on their belts due to how new 3D was.

>>149124855
Those kinds of people are slowly being kicked out. I'm seeing more variety in people on the top than a couple years ago and the standards for skill is being pushed higher with each year. I also feel like Califoria won't be an animation hub soon.

>>149126492
I think maybe the guy who made the image was trying to sort them by eras of quality?
1996-2003: The Golden Age
2004-2009: The Silver Age
2010-2015: The Revival
2016-2019: The Downfall
2020-2023: Rock Bottom, decided to cap it off at 2023 seeing that CN Studios is dead

>>149124757
You can go kill yourself and webcam it, Doremi pedo.

>>149126788
We have to keep in mind that there are several instances where the beanmouth style was forced onto shows and wasn’t the creators fault, just another reason why that style is shit.

Look at the new cartoon Wylde Pak for example, the characters were originally gonna look like this before they were turned into generic beanmouth slop. The same thing probably happened with The Owl House, Dana Terrace does not draw like that, her upcoming indie show drawn in her own artstyle is living proof of this.

>>149126832
The idea that 2004-2009 is not the blackest pit of tar garbage is insane to me.
Nothing was funny, everything was Flash trash animated like shit, nothing had continuity and the single episodes all had the same plots recycled from 50 years earlier.
Boys vs girls, taking care of unruly baby, getting a new house somewhere else, and one thousand other stale tropes reused ad nauseam.
Everything was dying, and nothing was being born.

>>149126900
Still better than whatever the fuck happened in CN in the 2020s

That era was more misses than hits but at least it had Chowder and Fosters Home.

>>149126869
Stop projecting

>>149127029
Foster's is kinda shit outside of the first episode and the movies

>>149125610
This is my fear, that unreal engine will replace beanmouth. And in the worst case scenario it will be unreal engine 3D beanmouths.

>>149124552 (OP)
IMO there's a bigger problem with cartoons on the horizon. I will call it the "podcast cartoon."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV7eL9q7SZI
While "normal words but a X guy" is not a new idea by any stretch, it's gotten noticeably more common.

>>149125535
Why are there so many people replying with 'aww whats the matter' these days? Unless it's the same dude all the time.

>>149126877
Wylde Pak would have been beanmouth regardless, the change I see is not being a 1:1 of Molly McGee. The problem we're facing is the change of what it was suppose to be just to please some stupid execs.

>>149127128
To be fair, I’d rather have more adult cartoons like Smiling Friends, YOLO, Melvin’s Macabre, and Bridge Kids than Fox cartoon style sitcom slop, at least the Newgrounds-like style in the shows I’ve mentioned looks fun to draw and can be well-animated.

>>149127115
Stop breathing.

I'm kinda hoping the french style of soft colours and broken sketch style outlines takes over.

Is there actually a name for it? It's used in a shitload of French produced stuff but never seen a label attached to it.

>>149127457
Watercolor

>>149127265
No you

>>149127457
I simply call it french, I love french animation

>>149126165
I find it funny how everyone hates on Pixar’s current artstyle cause they say it looks like a GrubHub ad, GrubHub indirectly caused everyone to revolt against the beanmouth style. Thanks GrubHub, I will buy from your services from now on

>>149127465
Nah, that film is more watercolour style but most examples don't go that far.

Despite being a game, this is one of my favourite examples of modern French animation style: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYmEsguGPQw

Damn first Reddits turning against beanmouth now Xitter, thanks Elio for killing off this shit artstyle

Beanmouth is old hat now.

Look at this and tell me it doesn't scream "this will be animated on twos". For all the faults of beanmouth, at least it didn't give me a headache...

>>149127596
I hate both, i knew that when Puss in Boots 2 adopted that style other studios would follow shortly after

>>149127612
At least Puss in Boots kept the low fps scenes limited and used proper techniques to compliment it. Spiderverse 2 actively hurt to watch, especially with Spider-punk's visuals. It's going to get worse when more studios start treating it as just another filter to apply.

>>149127558
>>149127494
I find it so fucking funny how the Grubhub is being used as this irrefutable counterpoint for how stagnant Pixar has become

>>149127479
You first.

>>149126900
Era 2 was more defined by the era 1 shows that stuck around and the CN City setting that all the shows up until Choder were a part of (and even then it was mostly Cartoon Cartoons.in the branding).
Discounting the 4 at the end, the only shows that really proved themselves in popularity were Fosters despite its quality in retrospect and Ben 10 which was the flagship action show.
MegasXLR is beloved but didn't make the mark at the time.

Also I do think City was the peak of channel the wrappers and I was sad to see it leave.

>>149127596
>>149127649
Honestly I want to see more 2D-like 3D films that go for a cartoony look rather than the comic/anime inspired Spiderverse look, think stuff like Hotel Transylvania or The Peanuts Movie

>>149127655
It highlights just how little effort "good" animation takes now. good models and renderers are so accessible now that art direction is what really stands out.

Grub Hub is an abomination of animation and it highlighted how creatively lazy Pixars visuals are now, it was an emperors new clothes moment.

>>149127712
Hotel Transylvania 2 & 3's animation is criminally underrated. That and Peanuts worked because you had skilled animators applying 2D techniques well. That other thread highlighting how terrible Elio's profile looks shows what happens when you just slap on a lazy 2D art style and still just try to animate it like a normal 3D movie.

>>149127655
We all remember the delivery dance, but do you remember the Kroger ads released around the same time? They looked even more soulless, you know what looks just like the Kroger ads? Fucking Win or Lose.

>>149127768
Why were the Hotel Transylvania films so hated anyways? I mean the sequels weren’t as well written as the original but they had amazing animation and were fairly enjoyable. I’m gonna have to assume it’s because of Adam Sandler being involved or something, even though Genndy Tarkavosky played a bigger role in their productions (though tbf there are some scenes where we see Adam Sandlers trademark humor)

I can totally understand the hate for Transformania though, neither Genndy nor Sandler reprised their roles and it shows.

>>149127857
Pretty much it being an Adam Sandler film.

I found it amusing in in Transformania Steve Buscemi was almost entirely mute except for a couple of lines that I'm guessing were done over the telephone.

>>149125329
Catching Up isn't even a real cartoon, it's a mediocre YouTuber's vanity project.

>>149127886
WHHHYYY MUST ALL WELL-KNOWN INDIE CARTOONS SUCK???

>>149127770
It's just so corporate which is what Pixar is today and like I don't think these movies are bad per say, they're just forgettable and focused on having some oh so deep message that is nothing new and an obligatory moment that really tries to make you cry, Monster's University is the only "modern" (It's been 12 years) movie with a good, original message that I can think of, an animated kids movie telling you that you can't always achieve what you want seems too mature for animated movies today.

>>149127558
Umami has always been based

>>149127933
The issue is that current Pixar feels more like they’re making films for children rather than for everyone. Too much of their original films lately have had child protagonists. I do feel Monsters University is pretty underrated, love that you brought up the film, I also do feel like that even though Coco had a child protagonist it’s the closest a post-2010 Pixar movie has had to feeling like Golden Age Pixar.

Honestly if I was to sort Pixar by eras:
>1995-2010: The Golden Age
>2011-2020: The Downfall
>2021-present: The Post-Covid Era

>>149127924
>Most well known indie cartoons
So like Three of them lol

>>149128161
I mean the big 4 of indie cartoons are arguably Digital Circus, Helluva Boss, Hazbin Hotel, and Murder Drones. I despise Vivzie’s work, have mixed feelings on Digital Circus and don’t know shit about Murder Drones.

I just want indie cartoons like this to get popular:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vc0hor_mYWk

But unfortunately it seems like people are more interested in loreshit

>Midway through the 20's
>It's still the 2010 cartoon environment except with more indie cartoons and 3d animation aping 2d animation
great.

>>149128128
To be fair it's always been targeted at children, it's just that they weren't threated like morons who can't understand more mature subjects, also funny that you mention Coco, that's probably my favorite post Toy Story 3 movie, I'd really really put it up there if the way they beat Ernesto wasn't so cliche.

>>149128218
The 20s are culturally almost indistinct from the mid-10s so far. Music, movies, tv, animation, all of it. It's really fucking boring.

>>149128304
2016-Present is one big era of cultural stagnation

>>149128258
This scene felt like the final emotional moment from Pixar to actually land. Compare this to Elio's predictable death fakeout, I knew Glordon wasn’t gonna fucking die.

Honestly Pixar's emotional moments were always kinda doomed after Up cause that films opening gave them the reputation for tugging on heartstrings, like after Up we had some good emotional scenes like the ending of Toy Story 3 and that scene from Coco but the ones from the rest of the modern films felt kinda forced.

>>149128359
What has been the worst attempt at an emotional moment from Pixar?
The stupid shit from Lightyear has got to be up there.

>>149128213
Hot Take, I think the abandonment of the male audience by book publishers has led to guys who would of read books instead to spread across the internet and push for literary storytelling in other mediums.

>>149128402
100% that scene from Cars 2 where they tried to make us feel bad for Mater for acting like a retard

>>149128324
The 2020 pandemic changed culture a bit but not in a good way. Its like we’re living in the 2010s but worse

>>149128324
I'd argue more like 2014 but pretty much. This era feels like it's the pre-1964 60s where everything was basically the 50s but only the worst aspects of them distilled.

>>149128821
Animation is reflecting this too, you wanna know what decade the animation dark age started? The 60’s, where cartoons started to look like the previous decades artstyle (being UPA in this case) but worse, sound familiar?:
>>149126398

>>149126788
> I feel like companies will likely switch to a more complex style to basically kick those people out
Why do you retards think the artists are the ones who are responsible for the homogenized style on TV? The execs are the ones who will either demand that styles be more like <fill in the trendy blank> or will naturally gravitate towards styles that look like other stuff on TV. The braindead fucks can only envision it on television because it looks like it's already there.

The beanmouth zeitgeist was propped up partially by the success of other beanmouth shows as well as the ease of animation. American artists are storyboarding...drawing characters on model at that stage is not as important as scene blocking, visual storytelling, and cinematography. The ease of style is so they can send the animatic overseas and 3rd world laborers can animate it easily, quickly, and cheaply.

Anons want to blame cal arts and artists, but the blame should be shouldered by the execs who refuse to greenlight anything that looks remotely original (and in the case of indie productions, the fact that shows with unique art styles tend not to draw diehard autistic paypigs like slick TV-ready concepts do).

>>149129047
Like I said in the OP, modern beanmouth shows are dropping like flies after one season, maybe execs will wake up to the fact that beanmouth isn’t profitable anymore? Though unfortunately this may be like wishing on a monkeys paw, instead of getting beanmouth we get even blander garbage artstyles like Super Duper Bunny League (I’ve literally never seen one person on this board talk about it, the characters look like they’re from a bad mobile game)

>>149127558
I really enjoyed Luca. I think it was cute and worked there. But that's because Luca was good and sort of the first example of this. Inoffensive at the time.

>>149126900
Need I also mention the whole CN Real shit?

What is the current cultural zeitgeist in animation? Looking at /co/ it's wanting to fuck anything vaguely female but that can't be it.

>>149126559
No, autist.

>>149129218
It would of been cool if for the 2020s Pixar made one film for each major artstyle trend of the past few decades, Luca could’ve been their film resembling 2010’s beanmouth cartoons, then for Turning Red they should’ve made the films artstyle similar to geometric UPA styled cartoons of the 2000s, would’ve been fitting seeing that the film takes place in the early 2000s.

>>149129341
I don't think experimenting is something they'd risk doing anymore but it's fun to imagine. And how would that sharp style translate into 3d? Any preexisting examples?

>>149129401
Does the Fairly Oddparents reboot count?

>>149125038
Personally I love the UPA or HB style

They need more Jim Tyer style animation.

>>149129938
Stephen Destefano is the one carrying that kind of style these days, he’s worked on Ren & Stimpy, merchandise for PopEye and Betty Boop, and tons of Genndy Tartakovsky projects. He was a character designer on Unicorn Warriors Eternal and it shows, man looking at his sketches makes me want to draw

>>149127712
The new Smurfs film is like the autistically terrible version of this kind of artstyle

>>149129401
Upa isn't just sharp but would the Incredibles count as the closest thing to translating upa-esque characters designs to 3d based on it's concept art? Granted the tech was more limited when it came and the sequel had some funky character designs but Winston and He-letrix stood out.

>>149130599
>>149130599
Sculpts from the first movie

>>149130599
Come to think of it, the Incredibles looked kinda close, the film had a whole retrofuturistic aesthetic to it and the modernist art influences are pretty clear. It’s just that the film was ahead of the curb, if the film was released in a post Hotel Transylvania world it would’ve aimed for a much more 2D-like look.

>>149130845
Glad someone else thinks so too.

>>149129610
The UPA is the best, Hannah Barbera is a downgrade because it was made to be cheap, but those character designs actually look good when they’re expressive, let’s not forget that John K. got his start by making the Jetsons in the 80’s more expressive.

Honestly I feel that Spumdonor said it best:

>>149128213
Aron or Kogan is a deep cut. I know some people who worked on it which is why I've seen it, but how the fuck did you come across it?!

>>149124693
It is technically calarts though. Jq went to calarts.

>>149129174
The style looks like a Canadian trying to copy Butch Hartman.
One of the things that the current indie animation zeitgeist will hopefully accomplish is show networks that there's a demand for original IPs that have unique art styles.

>>149131721
Most of the stuff people call "calarts" was not made by people who went there.
It's idiotic nomenclature that doesn't even refer to what it was originally used to pejoratively describe and anyone who uses it as an adjective outs themselves as having no fucking clue what they're talking about.

>>149126499
It sucks balls we likely will never see these, at least a few of them look good.

>>149131686
I like cartoony cartoons, I’ve stumbled upon it cause I’ve been around the circle of artists with wacky artstyles like Dorkymations and Patrikus Doolius quite a bit.

>>149126900
At least we had flapjack and chowder. Those two are better than anything cartoon network has made in at least 5 years.

>>149130770
Who's the Moon Man looking guy behind Syndrome?

>>149131797
Imagine an alternate timeline where these pilots aired and some of them got picked up, kickstarting a new generation for Cartoon Network, shit like that can’t exist in our current animation industry.

Like seriously Off The Menu’s artstyle alone looks better than literally any modern Disney TVA cartoon, that’s definitely the one I’m most interested in

>>149124552 (OP)
>Kipo and the Age of Wonderbeasts
>Hilda
>The Dragon Prince
>Carmen Sandiego
>Trollhunters
>Glitch Techs
>Jentry Chau vs the Underworld
>Cuphead
>Pacific Rim: The Black
>He-Man and the Masters of the Universe
>Droners
>Twelve Forever
>Buddy Thunderstruck
>Primal
>Arcane
>Midnight Gospel
>Kid Cosmic
>Mao Mao
>Castlevania
>Invincible
>Laserhawk
>Hazbin Hotel
>Kulipari
>Monkie Kid
>Smiling Friends
>Justice League Action
>Harley Quinn
>Jelly Stones
>Gremlins Secrets of the Mogwai
>Green Eggs and Ham
>Common Side Effects
>Tuca & Bertie
>YOLO
its been dead

>>149131897
boring

>>149131902
That list includes:
>18 graphic novel/comic/anime-inspired action cartoons
>2 shitty cheap-to-animate artstyles
>3 beanmouth-adjacent artstyles
>1 cartoony wacky cartoon
>2 cartoons with Disney-like animation
>4 absurdist cartoons (Which I defo kinda like)
>1 stop motion show
>1 cartoon with your standard shitty Family Guy-like adult animated sitcom style

Honestly I’m kinda mixed on the fact that action cartoons are becoming the norm, maybe it’s just that I’ve never really been into them but if we’re getting comic/anime-influenced cartoons than what’s up with the lack of wacky cartoons? (the only one on the list was The Cuphead Show) I mean to me drawing a wacky face seems a lot easier than drawing a realistically-proportioned human.

Honestly I haven’t watched Green Eggs & Ham but based on the trailers the animation looks amazing, couldn’t bring myself to give a shit about Hazbin Hotel though.

>>149130599
I'm so happy with the final design, that big toothy smile really sells him

>>149131746
Speaking of countries trying to copy artstyles, you know what happens when Europeans try to copy beanmouth? You get euro-beanmouth, which looks even more bland, stiff AF rigged animation looking like rejected Gumball characters.

Should’ve stuck with your own countries artstyles Europe…

>>149132235
It's great honestly

>>149128218
>>149128304
it really isn't
you're just not paying attention to cartoons anymore

>>149124552 (OP)
You WILL watch more bean mouth by Californian artists and like it!
https://www.animationmagazine.net/2025/06/disney-veteran-bobby-pontillas-details-his-fun-new-filipino-series-sun-chaser/

>>149131876
Just saw this, sorry. It's the scrapped ORGINAL antagonist of the first movie, Xerek. You can find a lot of pieces of concept art with him, syndrome becoming the main villain happened relatively late into development as there still pieces depicting Xerek with Mirage's final look.
https://www.tumblr.com/jessalynlearns/177255851235/xerek-the-incredibles-og-villain

>>149124552 (OP)
Beanmouth is dead because western tv cartoons are dead.

>>149131824
oh, it's wacky fag.

>>149132326
yeah, but they can get animation reliably produced by 3rd world countries for super cheap when the character designs are simple like this.
I hate it, but in order to do more complicated characters, networks need to shell out bigger budgets for animation accept the fact that whatever is returned from the offshore animation company may be riddled with errors and off-model characters.

>>149133542
but beanmouth came from chibi style anime...

>>149126226
as much love and nostalgia I have of the 90s
2004-2009 had the most variety of original animation programming

>>149127698
Similarly most of era 4 was defined by era 3 shows since none of them could beat them in ratings

>>149130121
This is hideous.
I hate beanmouth, but I will take it in a heartbeat over this ugly on purpose, disgusting trash.

The problem with American animation is Americans. They are aesthetically challenged. There's a number of American artists inspired by anime, disney, and Euro cartoons who can craft appealing designs, and that's about it. Those people are typically non-white too, often Asian-American. The ugliest, gayest slop comes from jews like Sugar, Klasky Csupo, and that overrated faggot Gennedy.

>>149132129
We live in an era where people want to avoid "ugly" art unless its adult swim style stuff.
Instead they are either interested in the soft Bauhaus Style shows which are inoffensive or Anime which is tailor made to go full sex appeal.
Toony stuff needs a cultural revival of people embracing rougher edges in their media and finding fart jokes funny instead of seeing them as a fetish thing.

>>149132129
op was focused on bean mouth cartoons

>>149134477
Shut the fuck up tranny

>>149134477
Cope, seethe, mald and dilate faggot

>>149134745
Ther’s no “Bauhaus style”, retard

All the original beanmouth shows have ended at this point. Anything beyond those is clearly just aping the style and not even attempting to do anything new.

>>149124932
there isn't a single unified artstyle in this image

>>149134477
You're missing something here. Style, design, and animation are three different things. While I agree that those character designs are bad, the style itself is very well crafted. You can put it to use with actually good character designs. That's one issue I've always had with everything John K made that wasn't ren and stimpy. All of those character sheets he'd post on his blog were full of stupid ideas that could have never worked as something people would want to watch. Kyle Carozza had the exact same issue. He made something like 200 pilot pitches for various cartoons before Magiswords got picked up, and almost all of them had zero actual premise.

Just a shame all of these talented cartoonists seem to turn out to be diddlers.

>>149134745
Fart jokes are just not funny tho, it's not even a fetish thing anymore they just suck

>>149134745
Honestly I blame the angry cartoon reviewers for sperging out on shows like Uncle Grandpa, Breadwinners, and Sanjay and Craig for this, all because those cartoons weren’t story driven shit.

>>149125329
I don't mind Total Drama's style, but it's a tween animated show. It's going to look stiff no matter what you do with it, because they're not redrawing any assets ever. It looks good for what it is, and it's probably one of the best looking tween animated shows, but it still suffers all the same issues that even untalented newgrounds users have.

>>149135476
Don’t talk to him, he’s a worthless wussy

>>149135478
The purpose of fart jokes these days is marketing purposes, for a film to be successful it’s important to merchandise it, but it’s also important to appeal to the target audience. Adults may not find fart jokes funny but children fucking love them, that’s why movie trailers like The Bad Guys 2 have fart jokes in the trailer, cause if they didn’t children wouldn’t want to view them as much. This is the same reason why cartoons like Teen Titans Go have fart jokes, to make sure children keep watching them or else their views would dip.

>>149135481
And also faggots like this
>>149134477

>>149135481
>all because those cartoons weren’t story driven shit
Story driven shows get people talking about the show, speculating, and discussing the plot. It inspires other people to go check it out for themselves. Status quo shows don't really do that. Most of the discussion that people have about family guy revolves around its cast, production, or controversies and usually not about the episodes or characters themselves. But everybody knows what family guy is, so they don't have to try to reinvent the wheel to get people watching.

While I understand that serialized shows lead to a lot of their own issues, it's really the easiest way to get people interested in them who otherwise wouldn't be.

>>149135496
That shows artstyle is ass I’m sorry, there’s a reason that shows artstyle is so easy to replicate online, it’s because it’s sucks and is stiff as shit. Rigged animation isn’t always a bad thing, but you got to execute it well, it is possible to be expressive with rigs, look at Wander Over Yonder for example.

Unfortunately many tweened shows like Total Drama look stiff and inexpressive as shit just so they can be animated more easily.

>>149134477
Retard, this design alone is more appealing than an entire Big City Greens episode

>>149135531
The stile is decent enough

>>149135481
On a side note I find it funny how angry cartoon critics hated on those shows yet loved The Loud House despite it not being story-driven , more proof that cartoon critics are pedos

>>149135557
Shut up fag

>>149125610
>To Be Hero X
That looks sort of cool. How is it?

>>149131902
Most of those are streaming cartoons, notice how it’s mainly television animation that has become stagnant with the beanmouth virus.

>>149125841
>implying that coming here by nature doesn't make you autistic
you are an autistic retard

>>149124552 (OP)
Lol you're an idiot

>>149126398
Gumball should probably get a pass anyway, the main family might be 'beanmouth' but other characters can be paper cut-outs or literal puppets; they use a wide variety of graphical styles.

>>149135752
I mean yeah but many of Gumball's designs give off beanmouth energy, (not all, just most) it’s the mixed media aspect that carries the shows artstyle, in fact I feel like this is one of the few beanmouth shows that actually did this style right.

>>149124552 (OP)
No.

>>149135545
He’s a wussy

>>149132887
You know, it looks more charming in 2d than 3d.

>>149135710
why does that make a difference? its all animation

>>149136533
It’s just an observation I made, I’ve never been into action cartoons but it does seem like it’s at least something different

This whole thread makes me wish John K were less of a prima Donna. And, you know, not a sexual predator.

>>149124552 (OP)
>i give attention to shit content, because i refuse to acknowledge that content exists outside the 3 channels and 2 3D studios i pretend must be the center of attention.
noone outside USA gave a shit about "beanmouth" style in the first place. you decided to guzzle slop in hopes that the slop-factory will make something less slop, so you can pretend to be happy about positive change while willfully ignoring the sea of content you could have given attention instead.

>If I want a stylized 3D animated film I’d rather have films have Looney Tunes-like 2D-adjacent animation
here are two 3D movies expected to come out soon, which look like they could be mistaken for 2D animation in still images.
https://youtu.be/MMdX91qrk6U
https://youtu.be/EcvtGSiS6U4
however, they are not from Pixar or DreamWorks, so your duty is to completely ignore that i pointed this out.

>>149127457
see, we could be talking about animation people actually like, but if they don't air on CN or Nick or Disney, they are not approved for discussion on this board. despite 4chan posters claiming to be underground contrarians, you are expected to not discuss anything other than what is already popular.
>>149127924
>WHHHYYY MUST ALL WELL-KNOWN INDIE CARTOONS SUCK???
>WELL-KNOWN
thanks for proving my previous point.

>>149137632
>noone outside the USA gave a shit about the "beanmouth" style in the first place

How do you explain this shit then
>>149132326

>>149137682
how many of those were NOT made for USA channels?
Ivandoe was made for cartoon network. i can't recognize any other of them, but it's probably the same for most. (otherwise you probably wouldn't know about them in the first place)

>>149137590
It’s ok. He’s a predator because he needs to hunt down his enemies - since a lot of them are dykes, they’re mostly safe from his dick

>>149137632
You have a point about people only focusing on the popular stuff, but said popular stuff is important cause it defines the medium, and said popularity leads to influence on said medium.

You wanna know why the 90’s had a huge burst of wacky toons? Cause Ren & Stimpy got popular.

You wanna know why the beanmouth style lasted as long as it did? Cause Adventure Time and Steven Universe got popular.

There are several good indie cartoons that I wish would get popular but unfortunately won’t because Digital Circus and Murder Drones popularity lead to the general audience to support only loreshit, leaving any other kind of indie cartoons to dry up with no support.

It’s also important for kids to grow up on good content, tons of kids these days still tune into Nick, CN, and Disney Channel. Can you imagine the kind of generation growing up on corporate slop like Chibiverse? Not good.

Popularity is also the reason why pre-existing IPs are more successful than original ones. Shitty things being popular is a big issue in our current animation industry that we must strive to be against.

>>149132887
>manananggal
fine

>>149132887

>>149125329
>I also hate Total Drama's style, completely stiff and unexpressive
It felt like they were trying to look like Clone High, but the retro charm of the style was lost. I think it's cause they tried keeping the proportions closer to real life.

>>149138293
Funnily enough it looks like the Clone High revival tried to look like Total Drama

Cheap-looking rigged animation, charm is completely lost.

>>149138293
Total Dramas artstyle would’ve looked much better if it wasn’t rigged, look at this concept art, the characters bodies are emoting better since they probably didn’t have rigs in mind when making it, at least not rigs as stiff as the final product.

You CAN make rigged thickline animation expressive, look at the pilot of Jimmy Two Shoes for example (I’ve never watched the actual series though, is it as expressive as the pilot?)

>>149138293
They also copy paste body types cause the fucking premise has them making 20 new characters every season, at least after season three or whatever

>>149137827
>Digital Circus and Murder Drones popularity lead to the general audience to support only loreshit,
TADC and Murder Drones are more than just loreshit though. I think you're being a bit reductive. There's many reasons why people like those shows. I never understood the "MUH LORESHIT" arguement.

>>149139814
I’m just not a fan of the fact that every popular cartoon since Adventure Time has to tell some advanced story or else it wont be popular. This is why we can’t have another Ren & Stimpy, Courage The Cowardly Dog, Ed Edd n Eddy, or Dexters Lab these days. The one popular cartoon these days I can think of that isn’t telling some advanced story with lore and shit is Smiling Friends.

Why can’t we have more cartoons these days that want to be cartoons? I just want an episodic series that I don’t have to watch every fucking episode of to know the full story.

>>149139982
>All cartoons have to be deep and have to explain everything and have a long story or the millennial women and retarded Zoomer women who barely watch it wont be interested.
>Cartoony cartoons aren't allowed unless you're SpongeBob or indie.
Fuck this modern industry, they just need to expand our East, get the fuck out of that shithole.

>>149139982
Nigga most cartoons don't have lore shit nowdays.

Even super popular cartoons past AT don't have to rely on it either to be popular, to list Teen Titans Go and Gumball.

>>149140091
Nigger, now they just over explain jokes and that ruins any joke these shitty modern toons have, and they're always ironic.

>>149140052
God, shut up

>>149139982
Ah well I see the point you're trying to make now. I sort of just dismiss silly "loreshit" posts by default at this point.

But I get it, wanting more episodic shows is fair. But that doesn't invalidate serialized shows with a progressing story. Like you said, Smiling Friend's success is an example of such episodic shows still being viable in this day and age as long as it's got the right people behind it to appeal to the target audience of today.

>>149140151
Well Anon do you have a way to fix the industry, or are you gonna sit on your ass imagining and complaining all day.

>>149140151
Anon they do make a somewhat compelling argument about the animation industry moving out East, if they left California there would be more artists to use instead of it being congregated to just one place

>>149140174
Exactly!

>>149140174
I feel like one way for wacky toons these days to be successful is to be funny. Stuff like the original seasons of SpongeBob and Phineas & Ferb are loved by zoomers these days cause of their strong comedy. While I love modern SpongeBob and The Patrick Star Show for how cartoony they are and how great they look for modern cartoons, I can totally see why people who aren’t animation fans wouldn’t find them appealing, they feel kinda style over substance which is a turn off for, not saying that they can’t be funny, but writing wise they’re a downgrade from the classic seasons. This is why wacky shows with weaker comedy like Camp Lazlo aren’t remembered or loved as fondly.

>>149140109
Thats a different complaint however.

>>149140224
You'd think it'd be cheaper to outsource to Ohio or Nebraska or something.
You could set up a studio in Wyoming but nobody does.
It's bullshit it's exclusive to California, and also the fact that if it's outsourced to Georgia it still has to follow California guidelines, why do they gotta control outside the damn state?

>>149140281
Remember the gold old 90’s and 2000’s when a vast majority of cartoons were animated by Rough Draft Korea? The overseas Korean animation studio that animates traditionally and scans in its paper drawings digitally.

Nowadays the only cartoons animated by that studio are beanmouth slop and longrunners like the Simpsons and SpongeBob (probably cause the latter two make more money). I guess it became more expensive or something to animate with this studio cause nowadays a lot of cartoons are animated by American studios like Titmouse. What happened?

>>149132887
There's a lot of shitty anime I can watch before looking at this shit, If everything else fails I still have decades of Looney Tunes to rewatch.

>>149137827
what is popular is affected by people. people includes you and posters here. i would have said "what is popular is decided by people", but companies can and do fake popularity by buying their own tickets and paying critics.
as far as i know, the brony fandom started on this board. it made the show possibly the most popular cartoon that ever existed and maybe ever will. it might have been completely ignored otherwise.
your argument relies on the assumption that popularity is something that just exists by default, and the only possibility is to watch popular stuff and then complain about it. it's not like animes' popularity was started in underground nerd communities and then spread so much that it actively affected western cartoon creators.
people wanted violence and tits, they made cartoons with violence and tits popular, and made an example for western cartoons in the process. people now want non-beanmouth non-woke cartoons, and all they do is complain and hope it has any effect on an industry not even the complainers are willing to turn away from.

>>149140518
Based AF, weebs and beanmouth enjoyers can suck my ass

>>149132887
Bleek.
>>149140518
I got plenty if you wanna ask.
I've dug through decades of it.

>>149140388
Yeah, and now everything is rigged shit.

>>149124552 (OP)
And /co/ westoids were so mad when someone mention CalArts.

>>149140669
From what I’ve heard this is due to companies getting greedier, during King of the Hills original run they animated with Rough Draft Korea to save time, but now in the revival it looks like shit cause these days they aren’t even giving showrunners enough money for that.

Something similar happened with the Phineas and Ferb revival, it looks like it’s still Rough Draft animating overseas, but the animation has a significant downgrade, which is probably once again due to companies not giving the show enough money to look decent.

>>149140697
Shut up ESLtard

>>149140697
I remember back when the whole Calarts Style discussion began online around 2018, the time ThunderCats Roar was revealed, yet then tons of people for some reason claimed that "the calarts style dosent exist" and all everyone critical of it shut up about it.

I believe that the only people who claimed that the style doesn't exist were insecure artists who, rather than improve on their artwork, would rather ignore the fact that their art looks beanmouth-ish.

A good example is that time in 2023 when Alex Hirsch claimed that only a few cartoons years ago had that style, ignoring the fact that it still exists to this day.

>>149124552 (OP)
no

>>149124568
What about wannabe western anime, or cartoon style live action originals like Steph macfarlanes Ted movies?

>>149140174
RTX sucks ass, and so does expensive ass PC, just buy a steam deck or even a Rog ally

>>149130599
Honestly syndrome would look cool with read flowing straight up almost spiky hair, and with a muscular physique kinda like destroyman instead of being a finalized fatfuck with jimmy neutron hair.

>>149140251
>people won't watch comedy cartoons if they're unfunny
fucking duh

>>149140052
Only IF they had vivziehog style budget of animation just like demon slayer

>>149140998
The late 40-series was really good. But as with all tech companies, Nvidia is extremely hit or miss. The 50-series are an absolute disaster. I built my PC with a 4080 Super for relatively cheap and can do literally anything I want with it, and can continue to do so for years now. Just have to do research because you can't trust these companies at all and ypu don't know when you're getting a good product or they're trying to shaft you for money.

>>149140174
Cute.

>>149141025
Is he actually fat?
>>149132235

>>149141025
To be fair he’s supposed to be an annoying brat who grew up to be a villain, him looking like kinda a loser is fitting.

>>149141081
Well… yeah! You can see his fat fucking masses for a fat fucking fatfuck like him that he always crying while eating hot pockets and ice cream, he became gluttonous because
>Mr incredible betrays us!!
And starts binge eating like a fatfuck out of depression and tries to hide it with a corset inside his spandex to not look like a fatfuck but the thing is he Is… A FAT FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT!!

Why did he pick "Syndrome" as his super name, anyway?

>>149141199
This is what Syndrome would look like if The Incredibles was a modern Pixar film

>>149141250
Because he had alcohol fetal syndrome on his face!

>>149141250
He's pretentious

>>149140955
If American animation is dying, than the only kind of western animation we’d be stuck with is:
>>149132326
I don’t like that thought, not at all

>>149139566
Total Dramas artstyle is too easy to replicate for how cheap it is, this is why people pump out autistic fetish art of the series so easily.

It’s also why we have indie bootleg Total Drama, for some reason the Disventure Camp designs look even more bland despite the artstyle literally being the same thing.

>>149124552 (OP)
We were complaining about this first! We're always ahead of the curb! Shows like Teen Titans Go tried to make a joke out of people complaining about beanmouth but now the feelings our mainstream. We won.

But since we like to be contrarian does that mean we will start defending beanmouth if it really starts to be replaced?

>>149141372
No, I'd rather defend the Hannah Barbera assembly line than it.
I maintain my position that voice acting and a solid script carried their really, really limited attempts at animation.

>>149141372
Nah, it depends whether the next style that takes over is better or worse

>>149141405
I mean Hannah Barbara’s design definitely does have a positive:
>>149131207

>>149141250
It’s simple, cool and rings a bell

>>149141372
>”Shows like Teen Titans Go tried to make a joke out of people complaining about beanmouth”
When

>>149141449
Yeah when, that guy better show us proof.

>>149141449
Something like “they have beanmouth, they must be French vegans!” or something like that, I forgot what episode it’s from.

>>149141449
here, from the ThunderCats Roar crossover

Patrick Star Show on the other hand openly shat on the style:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=92lJMD0WKSs
That show holds no punches

We took it for granted. It looked better than all those family guy wannabes and was funnier than them too.

>>149141624
>poop mouth!
Imagine being the aged voice actor, they finally call you up for another role, and this is what you get.

>>149140174
>Murder Drones
>But episodic spin-off series
>The entire premise is just Anon living a daily wacky life with his eldritch monster wife Cyn

>>149141647
My one issue with Drawn Together is how stiff the animation is, particularly on Wooldoor and Toot, considering those two are based on expressive cartoons. (Yet they give Ling-Ling unique poses all the time, I guess weebshit really was killing wacky cartoons then huh) The animation looked looser in the first season but was stiff AF in the second season.

Though I will admit the episodes storyboarded by Stephen Destefano have some amazing expressions and fluid animation, makes me wish the entire series was animated like that.

>>149141661
Maybe he thought it was funny or needed the money

>>149141436
Yes, simplicity isn't bad, it can be spiced up and still be recognized and memorable on its own right.

I learnt to appreciate old stuff like filmation and HB because they always stayed on model while being a vehicle for a story, now with so many tools to animate it feels that we regressed as story tellers and entertainers in several ways.
Seriously, I wish shows like the early Superman or Batman had as many tools as we have now, I wonder what these fucking legenda of animation would have done with them.

I have a theory that the reason modern Pixar has that style is to pander to sped kids.

Coincidence? I think NOT!

>>149141814
I loathe beanmouth but if you think this you’re a sped kid

>>149141814
Maybe the artstyle is just shit.

>>149141805
The truth is that if early Superman and Batman were made today they would’ve looked like any generic action these days, bland AF

I’m not a fan of action cartoons but stuff like Superman: The Animated Series is where they peaked IMO

>>149142112
I didn't mean that if they were made today, I meant a "What if these talented people that are now retired or dead had access to what we have now and we're allowed to make art with it".

I know damn well the pool of artist in our era sucks ass, I meant to say what if the old good artists had the tools with the mentality of their time period.

>>149141712
Oh god I want to buttfuck the cyn cosplay!!!

>>149142375
Ewww, one thing I hate about it is the contact lenses, I hate looking at them, they look uncomfortable euggghh, her makeup is unnatural too, I don’t wanna bang a bruised up chick.

getting spumpilled isn't going to make the animation better. Wylde Pak is an immaculately animated show for tv and it uses beanmouth.

>>149142495
>T. Picky ass mother fucker

>>149142495
More for me.

>>149142526
It still could’ve looked better
>>149126877

>>149142771
Nah the final designs look better, it's just they should've spent more on the budget.

>>149142812
Nah fuck that, instead of making an expressive beanmouth cartoon why not just make an expressive cartoon? People are tired of that style.

>>149141712
>>149142375
>She puts on the voice for you

>>149124816
Elio was $300 million dollars.

>>149126226
This is full blown fucking parody of the style. If you asked someone to draw bean mouth in the most on the nose, insulting way, you'd get this.

>>149143418
>300 million
Yeah it's not making it back

>>149138293
They were, the character designer for tdi even did work for clone high, can't remember his name but if you put the two shows together in a search it'll probably pop up.
>>149138440
It only felt like a few of the og character designs translated well into the new show despite them cheaping out. Some of the new background clones looked better than main cast ones like say, Harriet. Aside from those eye sore colors I just wasn't a fan of the final look, too stiff and jagged which is funny because characters like Carver were like that but it looked fine .
>>149141199
>>149141269
Kek
>>149141025
I can see it but I love his final look as is.

>>149126226
I think the only show I actually ever watched post-2015 was Mighty Magiswords.
I haven't seen a single episode of anything else on that list post-2015.

>>149143515
How does a human being look at this and go "yup, seems about right".

I went to check if this was just another result of executive meddling, but nope, the creator actually fucking draws like this. Like he has worked on Gumball, but when you remove Gumball's whole mixed media aspect you’re left with a neutered extremely bland beanmouth show, this is a neutered and extremely bland beanmouth show.

>>149143603
I referred to the 2016-2019 era as "The Downfall" for a reason, while there’s only one show from that era that was critically panned (Powerpuff Girls 2016), that was the era where CNs schedule became infamous for including nothing but Gumball and Teen Titans Go.

The 2020-2023 era is basically CN on it’s deathbed before Zaslav shut down CN Studios

>moving goal posts
>the thread

>>149143575
The reason why the newer Clone High cast members designs suck is cause they look nothing like the historical figures they’re supposed to be. Topher and Frida have fine designs that do a good job at resembling their historical figures, but how tf is someone supposed to look at Harriet and Confucius and tell me that’s supposed to be them? Confucius not having a long mustache I can kinda understand since he’s a teen, but at least just give him long eyebrows, and all they had to do with Harriet was just make the head scarf cover her hair, she looked more like Harriet Tubman in some of her concept art.

>>149143535
Oh well, just another reason for Pixar to ditch the beanmouth style

>>149143535
Welp that's what you get for spending 300 million.
You know with that kind of money you can start an animation and make a film complete with cel animation and an orchestral soundtrack.

I thought CGI was supposed to be cheaper for theatrical films?

>>149144567
It doesn't even make logical sense to keep doing it at this point

>>149144094
Oh I know, something just looks off about Harriet's final design, like it was done in ms paint or something. You could tell they were quite indecisive about what her character should be because there are even more concepts exploring her look, style, and hair. From straight A go-getter, ballet, theatre kid and goth. To be fair not all the clones looked like their real, historical counter parts but if they weren't there was a reason for it sometime, being a visual joke or reference such as Cleo, Ponce, Caesar or Napoleon. I'm willing to excuse some designs as there isn't always actual portraits of famous/historical figures while they were alive such as Confucious but also partly because I don't mind his design.

>>149124552 (OP)
People have been trying to warn people about beanmouth for YEARS but the shills kept using Hanna Barbera as their counter argument. But money will always talk. TOTAL BEANMOUTH DEATH

>>149124552 (OP)

>Is the beanmouth style finally dying?

Get fucked Spumtard

>>149111154
>>149141929

>>149144685
Hannah Barbara’s designs may be a downgrade from UPA but they’re still geniusly crafted:>>149131207

I also find it funny how people used this image as a counter to beanmouth, completely ignoring the fact that it was one studio using the same style in the 60s as opposed to multiple

>>149144603
It only gained that reputation because it wasn't unionized and low budget direct to DVD grandma bait.
Same reason why so many companies dump millions into VFX instead of cheaper practical work. They aren't unionized and so hypothetically to can squeeze more out of them, the issue is that doing that kind of squeeze ends up with projects like the She-Hulk show.

>>149144762
Did you know that they tried to reboot The Goofy Movie in the beanmouth style? I’m not fucking joking, thank fucking god this project wasn’t greenlit.

Like seriously the original Goofy movie had some incredible fluid and expressive animation, they straight up considered taking a fat beanmouth shaped shit on that art.

>>149136533
Different executive culture

>>149144659
Confucius's design is even more unrecognizable than Harriets, I don’t even know what the fuck the character designers were thinking, none of the concept designs even look like Confucius, it’s like they just wanted him to look more like some random Asian guy.

>>149144094
>>149144659
>>149145003
They are not good designs, that's the issue.
No one told them no, no one told them this sucks ass so they made it into the show.
Think about it, Frida is an easy cartoon design to make, just draw a gargoyle or caveman give it ugly eyebrows and maybe a wart and done, anyone can draw something so ugly and toadpig like that in the end it resembles Frida self portraits.

If anything I'm surprised someone was competent enough to get Topher right and made it the most likeable of the new cast.

>>149145003
They wanted rich asian influencer wannabe/hypebeast. Right on the money on it not looking like any depiction of Confucious besides the height. Can't remember where I read it, might've from Tara's twitter but they considered making him taller lol.

>>149145109
The original cast members were designed by Carey Yost wheras three of the newer ones were designed by Tara Billinger, who was also the art director for the revival. Oddly enough Carey designed Confucius while Topher, the best new cast member design, was designed by Tara.

>>149125691
Spongebob ruined them

>>149145294
There's always an oddity, think about the og cast.
Most of them are exaggerated caricatures of IRL depictions of their namesake like Cleo and Abe head follow a similar exaggerated philosophy, K has its constipated face then Ghandi and Joanne are done in a similar way to the non clone characters and they are either following the parody archetypes or so bonkers like Ghandi that he became a fan favorite.

In this case only Topher worked because he was the outlier, the other characters didn't feel like anything as the other one that was a caricature was unlikeable in the case of Frida.

I don't know what happened, The og cast worked really well as caricatures and parody of the genre they were mocking, I don't think there was any attempt at making the new members of the cast work or work as selfish plot drivers like Ghandi often did.

>>149144603
>spending 300 million
That's enough to pay 500 employees $200,000/year for 3 years. Maybe they needed more people.

>>149145109
>>149145294
>>149145109
Topher was the first to be approved with the least amount of changes. And from the tweet here I don't think the final look for the clones was really up to the artists.
https://x.com/TaraBillinger/status/1678873996249673728
>>149145447
To be fair Cleo's look isn't based on the actual Cleopatra but old hollywood and pop culture stereotypes. Jfk would've been a better comparison.

>>149145559
>To be fair Cleo's look isn't based on the actual Cleopatra but old hollywood and pop culture stereotypes. Jfk would've been a better comparison
That's what I said, she was based on a caricature like the ones people often made of Abe "strong" face which is why I paired them together. Maybe I didn't make that clear.
IRL Abe really had a one of a kind face.

>>149145602
Ah gotcha

>>149145559
what is Tara doing nowadays?

>>149145640
She's working with Netflix/Sony she has it in her bio. She's probably done storyboards for other things too since clone high.

>>149144762
Nah I prefer scissor seven and vivziepop artstyle.

>>149132326
Yeah, they are trying to replicate gumball success, since it was european.

>>149140177
>>149140224
Pathetic samefag.

>>149140052
Drink bleach and webcam it.

>>149140630
>I got plenty if you wanna ask. I've dug through decades of it.
Knowing you, you probably picked all the ones with little girls in them for your spank bank.

>>149141936
>>149143535
>>149144603
Kys avatarfag

>>149141936
>>149143535
>>149144603
Kys pedophile, and since you’re a pedo you’re also a zoophile.

>>149145952
Anyways enough about yourself.

>>149145294
Oh cool.

>>149145003
These do not look good at all

>>149145952
those are drawings

>>149146058
Drawings of?

>>149146100
Your shitty life, it's a drawing of you getting a job and contributing to society.

>>149146100
your mother

>>149146139
But enough about (You).

>>149124552 (OP)
I really fucking hope so

>>149146214
Sorry meant to reply to
>>149145952

>>149145525
That's fucking crazy

>>149146234
Nope. I was replying to
>>149146139
>>149141936
>>149143535
>>149144603

>>149144802
That's a stupid comparison, because at least the HB designs looked appealing while looking similar.

Quick, someone spin a dreidel and see if it will fix the industry.

>>149146214
Stop Samefagging me faggot.

>>149146306
Oh okay then.

>>149146336
The image doesn’t correspond to reality

>>149146336
Wouldn’t this image not be a good thing either? Like Hannah Barberas designs kickstarted the animation dark age. Television cartoons were made to be animated as cheaply as possible.

>>149145447
The OG casts designs were glow-ups compared to what they were originally gonna look like. I’m glad they stuck with the retro flat artstyle instead of the MTV cartoon look.

>>149145640
Definitely not drawing beanmouth slop, that’s for sure

>>149141647
Speaking of Drawn Together, in the small chance that show ever gets a revival they should add a beanmouth character to the cast drawn in an insulting way like:
>>149143515

>>149145788
Like I said before, Gumballs whole mixed media aspect is what carries the artstyle, these cartoons fail to realize that. Even Chinese bootleg Gumball knew this.

>>149149305
Tbh the actual pilot had a flatter, less detailed style that looked closer to the final look from the few images we've seen floating around and the that one magazine scan.

>>149150236
I’m just glad we got a retro flat adult cartoon with plenty of fun-looking character designs

If Clone High released today it would look like one of those bad Family Guy/Rick & Morty ripoffs

>>149128213
>>149131686
Just watched the Aron or Kogan pilot, was good. Nice to see they're making more too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZAhotjcTko

Beanmouth only existed to keep budgets as low as possible. Pixar spent 300 million making a beanmouth cartoon and expected it to make money. No, it's not dead, but Pixar are fucking idiots.

>>149124718
MALDING

>>149150804
Seriously, like I said before I really wish that Helluva Boss and Digital Circus weren’t the poster children for indie cartoons, everything’s gotta loreshit these days cause those two are the ones standing in the front

All indie cartoons that want to be nothing more than funny cartoons are left to rot unsupported, only gaining nothing more than a niche cult following

>>149150836
Unfortunately that cheap artstyle is seen as influential to some. There are indie zoomer "artists" who think that this style is peak and want their cartoons to look like that.

Even though they have perfect freedom to choose any other artstyle they want, there’s literally no point in having that corporate artstyle in an INDIE show.

>>149126240
>>149145410
duality of man

>>149145410
I feel like it’s actually Gumball that ruined them, thanks to Gumball the zoomers idea of "pushed expressions" is making faces that look like forced attempts at creating memes rather than naturally expressive Looney Tunes/Ren & Stimpy-like wackiness. Gumballs expressions would look better if they made the full body emote rather than just the faces, like ffs draw a new head shape rather than just drawing a new face if you want to properly push expressions.

>>149146058
"They are cawtoons you idiot”

Is that you TheWhiteBowser? Jerking off to anime kiddie porn makes you a pedo, same way that jerking off to anime gay porn makes you gay. You retards claim that "duhhh that’s like saying video games cause violence" but here’s the thing, the difference is that most people who play violent games don’t want to kill irl and just do it for fun or gameplay purposes, porn is an arousing experience that shows one’s sexual preference, I jerk off to chubby cartoon milfs cause I want to fuck one irl, I jerk off to face sitting cause I want to experience it irl, if you jerk off to cartoon kids you want to fuck kids irl, pedo.

There’s tons of people who wank to lolis and underage girls that end up grooming minors on Discord or get caught with CP. MadThad, TheWhiteBowser, YandereDev, you’re a diddla son.

>>149152417
Those weren't lolicons, those were pedophiles, and lefties, and they usually are asshole Anties.

You are talking out of your ass just to bash Japan in a not so obvious way, and that's how actual pedophiles get outed.

Reset the Clock anyone?

>>149152826
He's right and you're wrong. Accept it.

>>149124552 (OP)
Which Big 4 are getting revivals? Regular show? Gumball? Adventure time?

>>149153122
Gumball was always going to get more content, pandemic and merger fucked it over.

>>149152976
Kys tranny

>>149153809
Kys pedo.

>>149152826
Latinx pedophile says what?

>>149152417
>There’s tons of people who wank to lolis and underage girls
Lolicon is gross, but assuming you're still talking about anime I don't think it makes sense to go nuts over any "underage" anime girl. Like being attracted to hot anime teenagers with big tits doesn't make you abnormal, that's ordinary, healthy sexuality. I don't think people into that are at any greater risk of grooming minors.

Hell, that's one reason anime got so popular in the first place.
>Gonna get in tune with Sailor Moon 'cause that cartoon has got the boom anime babes that make me think the wrong thing.

Lolicon shouldn't be illegal obviously, but I do feel uncomfortable with people who are super into it.

>>149126240
>>149126263
>>149126499
Modern Spongbob only resembles Ren and Stimpy to people who think that Ren and Stimpy's style boils down to having a lot of funny faces.

>>149149501
>Drawn Together
>I'm current Year

It's a relic of it's time, let it be

>>149153823
Nice projection

>>149153940
I haven't seen modern SpongeBob for more than a few minutes, so not saying you're wrong, but a fair number of old Spumco people are working on it and The Patrick Star Show.

>>149153843
Did he molest anyone?

>>149140388
Rough Draft Korea was shit but cheaper, Outside of Tokyo Movie Shinsha, only a few low name japanese studios did work for the US, and then it all died after the 90s.

Too bad you cannot talk about TMS without involving Famicom and it's catphishers.

>>149129341
>Old Internet picture.
>10 years ago

Jesus

Also 80s guy should look like it was drawn by Toei or Sunrise.

>>149150844
>replying to a days old post
sure anon suuuurrreee

>>149153940
Modern SpongeBob’s animators knows what they’re doing, several Spumco alumni like Bob Camp and Vincent Waller have worked on modern SB. It’s definitely the closest thing we have to Ren & Stimpy these days.

>>149154010
When did I call him a child molester?

>>149153988
>hurr durr projection
Just own up to your mental illness and fuck off already.

>>149154016
Come to think of it, why did we stop outsourcing our animation to Japan? TMS perfectly replicated the western cartoon style with its overseas projects, and Japanese animation definitely looks better than western animation these days due to the fact that the Japanese job industry is a lot more cruel. This sounds like the easiest fix to the animation industry these days, instead of animating in American studios like Titmouse where workers are treated fairly start animating overseas where art turns out a lot better.

>>149154016
>Too bad you cannot talk about TMS without involving Famicom and it's catphishers.
Don't fight it.

>>149153843
Anyways enough about yourself.
>>149154181
It was cheaper to outsource to Korea and the Philippines back then, now it's kinda expensive to even do that now.
It was so cheap that even Japan outsourced to those 2 places (Hence why we got those shitty island Nadia episodes and the mid movie, it's same studio who did the Mario Bros Supershow btw).
Thing is Korea and the Philippines can do decent animation, but they're just low on funds to really do anything, but there are rare examples like Hayop Ka from the Philippines and Jadoo from Korea.
Just give them more money and let them flourish and stop outsourcing there as much.

>>149154197
Seems like Spamicom is definitely aware of this thread. He’s been parroting what people say here and repackaging it with his own retardation. He seems to be interfering with these kinds of threads a lot less, perhaps he’s finally aware that /co/ is tired of his BS?

The "It’s Happening" meme dosent even make sense anymore, the OP is a clear reference to the Doom Paul meme, now it’s just some little girls he faps to cheering

>>149154275
Anon it's sad you're stalking him this much all over Hamtaro of all things.
So from now on you'll be known as Famischizo.
>Captcha Darnk

>>149154098
It's still kinda stiff when it comes to timing though.
A lot of jokes don't hit really.

>>149154275
shut the fuck up im gonna start boosting his posts now until you leave talk about the thread idiot and learn to ignore people

>>149154297
Honestly post-sequel SB peaked around seasons 11-12, the ones where Hillenburg returned to work on the show before his passing. Perfect balance between expressive animation and great writing. Like I said before, I do like modern SB and how it’s keeping this style alive but it would’ve been better if SpongeBob ended after season 3 and we still got tons of cartoony cartoons to this day, rather than SB being the only one.

>>149154275
Idk who the fuck that is but that's crazy >>149150765
It was and very full of variety, some of the new character designs weren't bad but they were regulated mostly to the background.

>>149154359
it's just some autist, shouldn't deter from our topic.
>some of the new character designs weren't bad but they were regulated mostly to the background.
they weren't good either, the main ones were good but most of the background characters felt like something from Total Drama.

>>149154317
> im gonna start boosting his posts now until you leave
Why are you defending a pedophile?

>>149154359
This may be a bit nitpicky but I’m not a fan of the fact that many of seasons 2-3 background clones don’t resemble specific historical figures at all.

>>149154394
Who said he was one?
I can lie to anon, like I fucked your mother and because I say so it's 100 percent true.
You can rally a million people to say it, but until I see actual evidence you're just some raging schizo.

>>149154406
Compare this to the background characters of season 1, you could easily tell that they were clones of historical figures

>>149154394
seems like youre just lying because you dont like him so ill keep boosting his posts
>>149154197
>>149154197
>>149154197

>>149154409
You’re the schizo simping for Famicom, the biggest pedo schizo /co/ has ever known. Are you his boyfriend or something? Is that why you’re defending him so much?

>>149154445
You’re only making yourself look like a dumbass by doing this, but ok. Keep going, all day.

>>149154107
You said that he’s a pedo

>>149154459
>You’re the schizo simping for Famicom
And you're a schizo obsessed for no reason, let me guess it's because he has actual fun and you're some miserable asshole who has to bring down others?
>Are you his boyfriend or something?
You writing a fanfiction about us or something, kinda creepy Anon, but whatever will give you that thrill of being a human again.
Are you even here to discuss the thread or are you here just to be schizo Famischizo?

>>149154016
>>149154275
This is Famicom talking about himself, I'm almost sure of it. Compare it to how he writes, and the previous times he's insulted himself in the third person, and you'll see the similarities.

>>149154483
Anon quit trying to make it worse I already regret making the bloody thread nobody here wants to talk about it anyway so go ahead and add to it m8

>>149154501
>he has actual fun
He does nothing but spam and spread bullshit lies about TMS while fapping to Hamtaro all day every day. That’s not fun, that’s wasting your life.

You two deserve each other. Two autistic pedo schizos together.

>>149154409
He has an unhealthy obsession with the girl from Hamtaro and literally gets aroused by her based on his pedo fanart.

He claims that she’s "aged up" in this pic when in reality he just gave her boobs and made no other attempt to make her look like an adult.

30+ year old man gooning to anime children people

Anchor this shit thread already jannies

>>149154483
I did some color correction on your image because it was bugging me.
Scooby isn't that bright.

>>149154532
Jesus Christ how horrifying

>>149154542
>I derailed the thread and I DEMAND the jannies to destroy it
You could just talk about the thread anon I'm just waiting for when it gets back to normal before posting again

>>149154548
Thank you.
This one's going in my collection

>>149154459
>You’re the [thing I was just accused of being]
Yup, this is definitely Famicom. This is exactly how he phrases his arguments.
>>149154529
>>149154532
Please stop self-flagellating in a thread about cartoons and get actual psychological help.

>>149154569
No problem!

I shall re-rail this thread

Remember that time some "artist" redesigned Toucan Sam so he looks like a beanmouth character? The same thing happened with Lucky the Leprechaun, thank god turning cereal mascots into beanmouth isn’t happening anymore.

>>149154389
I know but a few like Ivan stood out.
>>149154421
2nd pic is from a pta meeting hence Toots being there, its the Gandhi has ADD episode. Those are just generic background townies/parents. You have a point here >>149154406 but I was referring the actual clones like Geronimo.

>>149154610
Oh gross!
Yeah I do, the commercials were not good either.
They actually ended up turning them all back because they lost sales.

>>149154635
At least that’s not as bad the Apple Jacks mascots being turned into what looks like stock clipart.

>>149154661
Okay that pissed me off, what woke woman complained about fucking Apple Jacks?
Every Jamaican I knew loved Cinna-mon.

>>149154661
Race relations never recovered from this incident

>>149146139
So long as those drawings make money and pay taxes he does.

your kind ran out of sympathy when trumps retard ass get into office
youre talentless and useless accept for flipping burger faggot
kys wageslave slob

>>149154704
IIRC it was during the BLM stuff where they gentrified him, fearing people would perceive him as a Jamaican stereotype. Which is BS, he was literally voiced by a Jamaican man, seems like representation to me, not even Sebastian the Crab was voiced by a real Jamaican.

>>149154847
Same shit as the Aunt Jemima syrup.
A bunch of white women got mad on behalf of blacks and got her removed (company removed her as an excuse to not pay the family) because she was a racist caricature.
Like she made pancakes and fantastic syrup, I never saw her as a stereotype.

>>149154900
It was a psyop to save money on ink. Same with the native american girl on that one butter brand

>>149154661
Don't remind me

>>149124556
Laurapilled, not Spumpilled.
>>149124924
Other way around, moe saved my life during my teenage and young adult years and is the only reason why I able to even get up in the morning.
>>149124932
Not happening, if anything were getting this back.
>>149125329
We did get The Secret of Kells out of the Butch Hartman influence in terms of art direction and Mirumo De Pon out of making a show that is like Fairly Odd Parents in terms of ideas so Butch Hartman isn't a complete waste of space.
>>149126832
No, it's...
1908-1914: The Stone Age (tech demos).
1914-1928: The Silent Age (starting with Gertie The Dinosaur and ending with Walt Disney and Ub Iwerks getting booted out of Oswalt and getting replaced with Charles Mintz).
1928-1967: The Golden Age (Started with Steamboat Willie and ended with Walt's death)
1967-1982/5: The First Dark Age (Started with Hanna Barbera getting bought out by Taff Broadcasting and ended with Toshihiko Masuda taking over for Hayao Miyazaki when he left Telecom for Topcraft, dark age elements stuck around until 1985 and were eradicated by 1987).
1983/5-1996: The Silver Age (Started with Inspector Gadget but didn't really take off until Adventures of The Gummi Bears and became permanent with the 1, 2, 3 punch of DuckTales, The Tracey Ullman Show and Mighty Mouse The New Adventures and ended with The Adventures Laura Haruna ending production of new episodes).
2006-Now: The Second Dark Age (Started with Avatar and is still going).
>>149127128
Chuck Jones warned us about this, except he called it "Illustrated Radio".
>>149127492
20 times worse then whats going on in Canada, plus unless it's for the local market it's going to be done 100% by Islamic and African migrant workers that come from countries from America's shit list (like North Korea levels of sanctions levels of blockage thats how much they're on the shit list).
>>149129938
More like Kazuhide Tomonaga style animation.

>>149144854
Some retard would look at this and go "yup, this is totally an upgrade from the original, we are really improving on the originals overly-animated artstyle"

Disney shutting this shit idea down was a rare W on their part.

>>149155090
Take your meds and fuck off, Famicom.

>>149155090
I'm just animationpilled.
I like good animation from any country and any year.
I don't like staying exclusive to just a few artists, I expand out and look at stuff from the obscure ones like Gene Deitch or any of Irv Dresslers and Jim Tyer's stuff.
>>149155109
I mean for an animated Disney film it was fantastic, even the show was alright from what I remember.
I preferred Pete though, he was funnier to me.

>>149155090
1. Spumpilled is a term used by members of the spum community who know that modern cartoons suck ass. Why don’t you explain this "Laura Haruna will save the industry" schizo shit to Twitter Spumheads like manfordic and spumdonor, they’ll get a kick out of your retardation.
2. A yes, two pedos together, happy happy joy joy.
3. That dosent sound like a good thing, a perfect western animation landscape should let any persons artstyle shine through, but instead we only get beanmouth slop.
4. Secret of Kells influenced by Butch Hartman, lol, lmao even.
5. We were talking about the eras of Cartoon Network, retard, not the eras of animation.
6. Chuck Jones couldn’t have possibly foresaw shit like Smiling Friends, skitzo.
7. Retard
8. We have too much anime-inspired western cartoons these days, we need more Jim Tyler stuff in our current industry.

Awesome thread

>>149155109
Yeah I couldn't imagine a modern take on Goof Troop, they would turn Pete into a cuck.

Worst thread so far

>>149155231
Cringe
>>149155090
Based and Laurapilled

>>149155312
Imagine dickriding a pedo manchild who spouts nothing but bullshit

>>149155231
>>149155358
Drawings aren’t real people

>>149155358
Imagine derailing a perfectly fine thread because you hold a grudge over someone that you could easily ignore.
We were literally talking about mascots you fucking retard.

>>149155090
The Chuck Jones thing is interesting, thanks for sharing, Hamtarochad. Here is a source of Chuck Jones describing "Illustrated Radio" from a 1967 newpaper article.

>>149154520
No, you must be him

>>149155376
I’m not explaining myself again:
>>149152417

>>149155397
Hamtarochad? Seriously?

>>149155358
Imagine seething over Famicom, someone who only makes /co/ more interesting and fun.

Why do the Spumco threads attract the most autistic people?

>>149155412
Seriously.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CBzd8KrKLo

>>149131207
1957-1963 Hanna Barbera kicked ass, and that was due to Michael Maltese and Warren Foster's writing and Ed Benedict's designs.

Also John K got his start at Filmation doing 70s Mighty Mouse/Heckle and Jeckle and Fat Albert.
>>149131902
>>149132129
All of those shows are unwatchable at best, Green Eggs and Ham: The Animated Series is the poster child of cheap and chinzy garbage that still pissed away alot of money ($4 to 6 million dollars per episode) just for the voice cast because it was 100% sourced from Ellen DeGeneres' own wallet.

In short, if you see Titmouse, Tonic DNA, Yowza, Studio Mir and Snipple in the credits PLEASE START RUNNING AWAY TO THE HILLS SCREAMING because they're not worth your time.
>>149140739
Snipple took over for Phineas and Ferb, plus K-Pop made normies look at South Korea and they got enough attention that people stated demanded to pay South Korean humanin working wages and that jacked up their rates, so everyone went to The Philippines which doesn't have a culture for normies to latch on too like South Korea and Japan do.

Taiwan is only known for OEM computer chip production for North America, Europe and Japan but their rates are too high so nobody uses them outside of 3DCG production (CGCG) which already has higher then normal budgets.
>>149149286
No, that was Walt Disney's death and Taff buying Hanna Barbera that started the dark age.
>>149152417
>>149152976
Nothing you said is true.
>>149152826
This.

>>149155414
Imagine simping for a schizophrenic pedophile who does nothing but spread lies and makes everyone around him miserable. Oh, wait. You're a schizo pedo too. You two are a match made in hell. When's the wedding?

Oh great, another e-celeb drama. Every youtube reviewer is a talentless waste of human flesh. I don't need anybody's opinion besides my own.

>>149155438
>makes everyone around him miserable
Clearly that's not the case. In fact, only you seem to be miserable.

I recommend watching some Laura Haruna cartoons. Her anvil dropping antics will perk you right up.

>>149155467
Do you hear yourself? How retarded you sound?

>>149155430
Yeah early Hanna Barbera stuff was great. The Flintstones holds up really well, especially the first couple seasons.

>>149155467
If I want "anvil dropping antics" I’d watch Looney Tunes rather than some pedo weebshit.

It seems that the only people who like Laura Haruna are low-functioning autistic manchildren.

>>149155497
Ever seen Ruff and Reddy?
That show was rough and and not ready, but it's their first cartoon so I won't get mad.
https://youtu.be/_YsJC-W2ZVE

>>149155481
I proofread my post before posting, and stand by what I said.
>>149155525
Never seen it before, thanks for sharing.

>>149155546
>I proofread my post before posting, and stand by what I said.
Ok, retard.

>>149155546
>"I proofread my post before posting, and stand by what I said."

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RZW16iNDEOQ

>>149155405
Kys troon

>>149155606
>anyone who doesn’t like little kids sexually is a tranny

Ok.

>>149153936
Being attracted to teenagers with big tits does make you abnormal, that is pedophilia (really ebophilia), normies only want adults to sexualize.
>>149154098
Also Bob Jaques.
>>149154181
TMS treated their staff well and paid them 3600 dollars a month.
https://jobtalk.jp/companies/989/answers?page=4
https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/217340392/#q217343448
But at $3600 a month it's why they switch to studios like Wang Film, Akom, Sunwoo and Rough Draft in the first place.
>>149154275
That is how normies are reacting to Elio's bombing.

"It’s Happening" meme does make sense.
>>149154459
Not a pedo, he likes adult women.
>>149154529
There is no spam and lies being posted.
>>149154532
>>149154555
That Laura and Kana artwork is not gross, it's well done.
>>149155214
Also Rod Scribner and Bob McKimson as well.

>>149155424
Cause John is a wussy

>>149155616
You are a retard

>>149155606
Is that literally all you ever say? You’re more low IQ than Spamicom, always in the loli threads saying "Kys troon" to anyone who shittalks cartoon CP.

>>149155617

>>149155500
> pedo weebshit.
Go back to shitter

>>149155630
Lame comeback, but ok.

>>149155633
>cartoon CP
It doesn’t exists, amerimutt

>>149155561
>>149155574
absolutely seething

Everyone always praises the old artists but what are the worst cartoons that those legends ever did?
For Gene Deitch in my opinion it's the Seeing Double from the Popeye TV show.
It makes zero sense and while the designs are alright and the backgrounds are decent it's just structured like they just slapped this episode together. There's even a scene where it looks like they cut something out and it becomes a completely different scene.
https://youtu.be/A4sHCZE09-A
It's like they rushed the entire episode, which they probably did. Even the Halas and Bachelor episodes Gene outsourced to the UK were more structurally in tact than this episode.

>>149155617
>normies only want adults to sexualize

No shit retard, oh well I guess it’s good to teach a lesson to all the /co/mos on this board

>>149155715
Barely watched it, but 60s Popeye seems like such a big drop from the old theatrical cartoons.

>>149155617
>"It’s Happening" meme does make sense.
I hope it is actually happening. Cartoons have been in a sad state for too long, time for a change.

>>149155617
Funny how you admit that being attracted to teens with big tits is weird despite the fact that you literally give kids big tits to fap to them.
>>149154532

Also "art is well done" my ass

>>149155715
Okay so I finished this and it feels unfinished, there's a scene of the villains getting their car swapped out from under them and then it switches to them falling off a building yeah that was kinda shit it's got pretty fluid animation at some parts though but it's obviously unfinished

>>149155773
They're not kids man, he aged them up. Pay attention.
>>149155738
>she's only 17, you pedo!

>>149155790
The more you keep defending Famicom, the stupider you're making yourself look.

>>149155747
ORAORAORAORAORAORA!

>>149155805
>you're going to look stupid on 4chan!!!
And then what?

>>149155231
1. The thing about "Laura Haruna will save the industry" needed to happen back in 2000 back when the industry was still heathy, and TMS needed to give Laura Haruna her own spin off instead of wasting their talents on Return of The Joker which started TMS' down fall.

2. Theres no pedos here.

3. Going back to the days of Tex Avery and Bob Clampett (Frank Thomas and Ollie Johnston if you're Disney) is a excellent idea, the traffic MeTV Toons is getting is proof that people want a return to the days of Tex Avery and Bob Clampett.

4. Secret of Kells as well as Mirumo De Pon wouldn't exist without Butch Hartman, plus Laura Haruna and Katie Minami (the main human from Mirumoi De Pon who is also Laura and her same age brother Alex's baby sitter) go together like peanut butter and jelly.

5. Still.

6. What point of "Illustrated Radio" don't you understand, difference is that 1957-1963 Hanna Barbera and Rocky and Bullwinkle kick ass, Smile Friends... Well at least it's better then Rick and Morty.

7. That is the case with France.

8. The problem is that non of these anime-inspired "cartoon" are not comedies, they're action serials that just happen to be animated, we want comedies in the vains of Tex Avery and Bob Clampett, or at least Chuck Jones and Friz Freleng.
>>149155427
Fixed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg96zmH7D7w

And for Laura herself and not her hamster.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcfFvIOfIg4
>>149155438
The only one producing lies here is you, the history of TMS is very well documented.
>>149155467
>>149155497
This oh so much.
>>149155500
Not the norm for her.
>>149155525
But it did kick ass and take names.

Does anyone seriously think these two faggots will save the animation industry?

>>149155781
You think that's bad look at the ones Lou Scheimer worked on.
https://youtu.be/snmY1MYqcFY

>>149124552 (OP)
nostalgiafag thread filled with manchildren bitching

>>149155826
I've actually never heard the Japanese opening until now, it's great. Nice song for Laura too.

>>149155840
Cope and seethe beanfag

>>149155820
Yeah, you’re right. You’re already a retard.

>>149155864
Name one (1) retarded thing I've said.

>>149155826
If you want comedies in the vain of Bob Clampett and Tex Avery than stop supporting anime shit and start supporting shows like modern SB. I don’t understand why your retarded ass thinks that Laura Haruna is closer to Bob Clampett and Tex Avery than Ren & Stimpy, the latter was directly influenced by those two and it’s cartoony (not even CLOSE to anime) artstyle shows.

When people like you want wacky anime-like shows we get garbage like Chibiverse, and let me tell you this is unironically the worst thing Disney has shat out in the past 15 years.

>>149155834
There's barely any animation in this

>>149155768
With how much money Disney lost on Elio it is teaching them a lessen to always follow Frank Thomas and Ollie Johnston rules and regulations.
>>149155830
Fanart and a blatant lie that was made before the Kickstarter went live (it failed because it was a ploy to do very nasty things to very young kids).

THATS THE PEDO RING YOU GUYS WANTED TO EXTERMINATE!!!!
Source: https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/146042627/#146042740
>>149155846
Thank you.

>>149155898
Laura Haruna is closer to Chuck Jones then Bob Clampett, and thats due to scheduling.

Wacky comedies and anime styling can work together, Laura Haruna is proof of this.

Also, at least Chibiverse is kept in the US due to it's short run time, that counts as something.

>>149124816
Maybe AI replacement is a good thing.

>>149155956
I'd like to see a more Bob Clampett style Laura Haruna cartoon someday, but I don't know if people with the skills to make it even work on cartoons anymore.

>>149155090
>>149155826
Cartoon Saloon's movies are in Jankovics style, not Hartman style. i already personally told you this before. are you a literal bot who is unable to learn?
the animation "ages" are completely irrelevant outside USA. you claim to care about non-USAian cartoons, and yet disregard that the 70s-80s was the animation golden age practically everywhere other than USA. and also disregard that the "beanmouth" style and current "dark age" is also irrelevant outside USA. the european examples of "beanmouth" cartoons were made specifically for USA channels which already made "beanmouth" the style of their cartoons.

>>149155773
They're aged up to 18 years old in this, 100% legal.

It is well done, you're just delulu is all.

/co/ is the last fucking place you guys should be talking about sexualizing characters.
I've seen what gets you all hard and it ain't adult women.

>>149155888
I can’t pick just one.

>>149156031
Thank you for confirming you can't.

Hamtarochads 1, Anon 0.

>>149155988
No, Butch Hartmen is in the Jankovics style, which is based on old Irish art, Cartoon Saloon's movies are in the Butch Hartman style which removes what Jankovics'ness Butch Hartman had in his cartoons.

Love letter, yes, but also creatively bankrupt.

The animation ages are extremely relevant outside of the US.

>>149156030
Good!

>>149156051
No, I meant everything you've posted in this thread is retarded, including what you just said.

>hamtarochads
You should’ve been aborted.

>>149156030
Also Gwen too.

>>149154098
>Bob Camp and Vincent Waller
Both of those guys have worked on/directed hundreds of cartoons. They're not tied down to ren and stimpy

>>149155090
>>149155826
the whole beanmouth trend was started by japanese cartoons, and every single person who made beanmouth cartoons in the west has been a fucking weeb.
the Hanna-Barbera bland sameface era was also caused by a japanese.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iwao_Takamoto
looks like you should admit that the japanese caused the so called "dark ages" of cartoons, instead of spamming their off-topic moeblob toddler garbage and praising them. that is, if you actually care about animation as you claim.

>>149154272
If you're gonna avatarfag with anime, stick with one show.
Two weeks ago it was Doremi, last week it was kare kano, and this week it's Nadia.

>>149156120
Not the same thing, just a coincidence.

Also Iwao Takamoto is a Japanese American, he doesn't count.
>>149156126
They made impact, the later 2 were even from Hideaki Anno so you know they're worth watching.

>>149156068
No, retard, Butch Hartmans artstyle, along with other thickline cartoon artstyles like Dexters Lab and Powerpuff Girls from that era, were influenced by the UPA, and the UPA cartoons drew influence from modernist art.

Thinking that Butch Hartman influenced Cartoon Saloon is pure autism babble

>>149156126
It’s whatever Birchy is jerking off to at any given moment. To him it doesn’t matter as long as the show has little girls in it.

>>149156210
No, far from it.

Butch Hartman = old Irish art.

Simple as that.

No Butch Hartman = No Cartoon Saloon.

And No Butch Hartman = No Mirumo De Pon.

So please stop spamming lies, Butch Hartman has done more good then Seth MacFarlane.

>>149156209
>Just a coincidence

You’re really grasping at straws here, why don’t you just go to /a/ if you like anime so much? They’ll welcomely accept an autistic pedo like you.

>>149156228
I just told well-known animation facts and you’re still denying them, you’re mentally a child.

>>149156228
Butch and Seth both worked together on Johnny Bravo. I think Johnny Bravo is underrated for its impact on cartoons.

>>149156068
> Butch Hartmen is in the Jankovics style, which is based on old Irish art
Jankovics's style is not based on irish art but hungarian art. Jankovics was a folklorist and a selling point of his Hungarian Folktales series is that each episode has an art and music style based on the folktale's supposed place of origin.
post any sources of Cartoon Saloon officially citing Butch Hartman's style.
here are sources of them officially citing Jankovics:
https://www.animationscoop.com/remembering-marcell-jankovics/
" Years later, Cartoon Saloon director Tomm Moore cited White Mare and Marcell’s shorts films on Hungarian folk tales as major influences on his work."
https://maidagan.medium.com/wolfwalkers-the-story-behind-story-96a8ee746911
"None of us, except maybe Giovanna and Louise as studio veterans, would have known where to begin had we not been exposed to stuff like Hungarian Folktales by Marcell Jankovics and The Little Prince and the Eight-Headed Dragon by Yugo Serikawa during story briefings."
https://tskymag.com/2016/02/tomm-moore-2/
"We have also been inspired by the landscapes of Paul Henry and, of course, eastern European animation from Hungary, Czech and Russia."

>The animation ages are extremely relevant outside of the US.
no they aren't. France, UK, Hungary, Canada, Japan, Soviet Union/Russia all had their best era for cartoons during 1970s-1980s. and yet you pretend it was some worldwide phenomenon, because you don't actually care about animation as you claim.
somehow with your TMS wanking, you fail to mention that The Raccoons was a constantly movie-quality TV cartoon from the 80s with no outsourcing, with arguably better production quality than your beloved Japanese studios could/would do.

>>149156274
Famicoms brain is too small to process this kind of information, why even bother telling him truths in great detail.

>>149156105
Do you have a version with uncovered nipples?

>>149156120
I've hated Arale since Dragonball first exposed me to her in the Red Ribbon Army arc.

>>149144854
The old characters got beanmouthed, and the new characters STILL stand out like a onions thumb.

>>149155290
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ni1RPc5OU2c

>>149156126
Nobody cares

>>149156326
Yours isn't much bigger.

>>149156274
Those interviews also wouldn't shut up about Butch Hartman as well.

But thanks for the correction for Hungarian over Irish art.

Also what you just said is 100% fake.

What was going on in France, UK, Hungary, Canada, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and Soviet Union/Russia was just as bad as what was going on in the US during the 70s and early 80s.

And The Raccoons was nowhere near as good as what even Macross was doing at the same time, so please shut the fuck up, you don't know what you're talking about.

>>149156414
>>149156421
You care enough to reply.

>>149156326
No, your brain is too small to process this kind of information, plus the guy is fucking lying out of his ass.

>>149156414
You're right, nobody should care about anime on the fucking western cartoon board.
Go back to /a/

>>149156457
Yep, there's other sites Anon, and bringing this to a fucking Spumco thread is retarded.
Could've picked one of the shitty threads but this one attracts you like a moth to a light.

>>149156457
They should care.

>>149156457
Adorable.

>>149156434
The only thing Russia really kept up with in the 70s and 80s with animation was Nu Pogedi, but they funded that one, meanwhile it was so bad in the Eastern Bloc that Gene Deitch could do outsourcing to Czechoslovakia for dirt cheap for Tom and Jerry and Popeye and his other shows like Nudnik.

>>149156471
spum threads are always shit you retard
>duhhhhh da wennen stempy ahdiz woik uhn spungblob naoo....
>WELL THATS FUCKING SHIT BECAUSE JOHN K ISNT WORKING ON IT
>BABABABABABABA GAMES EPS NOT GOOD CUZ NO LAYOUT DRAWINGS AGAGAGAGAGA
>*cue the next 500 posts of avatarfags shitting their daipies and posting anime until thread hits bump limit*

>>149156030
HNNG.. d-did Toph just...?
*splurt*

>>149156346
No, also blue board.

>>149156434
BUTCH HARTMAN DIDNT INSPIRE CARTOON SALOON, THE ADVENTURES OF LAURA HARUNA DIDNT FUCKING EXIST AND WAS NEVER PLANNED TOO, AND IT WOULDNT HAVE CHANGED THE ANIMATION INDUSTRY, HOW THE ACTUAL FUCK DOES YOUR RETARDED ASS THINK THAT WHAT YOUR SAYING IS SMART!?!?!!

>>149156711
>THE ADVENTURES OF LAURA HARUNA DIDNT FUCKING EXIST AND WAS NEVER PLANNED TOO
baka

>>149156711
Butch Hartman did inspired Cartoon Saloon, in fact Cartoon Saloon wouldn't exist without Butch Hartman.

The Adventures of Laura Haruna should of existed, and it would've changed the animation industry for the better, just like Gummi Bears did.

No modern master in animation carries more industry pull and respect more than Gennedy.

>>149156732
Retard, you’re consuming the opinions of a guy who thinks that a cartoon about his favorite anime little girl would’ve kickstarted an animation revolution, moron.

>>149156732
Thank you.

>>149156434
>Those interviews also wouldn't shut up about Butch Hartman as well.
none of the interviews i posted even mention Hartman. post sources of your claims or don't claim it.
>Also what you just said is 100% fake.
right.
>What was going on in France, UK, Hungary, Canada, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and Soviet Union/Russia was just as bad as what was going on in the US during the 70s and early 80s.
that's why all those countries made more and better cartoons than since, right? also i didn't mention South Korea and Taiwan.
Hungary alone made 20 feature-length animated movies in those 20 years. this included the aforementioned Son of the White Mare that influenced Cartoon Saloon too, and Heroic Times which was the first painting-animation movie.
guess you never heard about UK animation from the time like Watership Down and Plague Dogs,
>And The Raccoons was nowhere near as good as what even Macross was doing at the same time, so please shut the fuck up, you don't know what you're talking about.
since apparently that has TV series and OVAs and movies too, and i don't care enough to find out which clips on youtube are from which, post scenes from the TV series or fuck off.

>>149156762
Hayao Miyazaki, not Gennedy.

>>149156771
It would have. Even as an unproduced series it inspires animators.

>>149156760
Gummi Bears didn’t start the animation renaissance dumbfuck, it was The New Adventures of Mighty Mouse and Who Framed Roger Rabbit that did, Gummi Bears was your typical sappy 80’s kids slop like Care Bears and The Smurfs that was despised by animators at the time.

>>149156788
He meant western animation

>>149156762
>>149156788
Osamu Nabeshima is up there.
>>149156822
Then Genndy is a good choice.

>>149156711
>PLANNED TOO
PLANNED TO

>WHAT YOUR SAYING
WHAT YOU'RE SAYING

The cringe factor of making mistakes like these, in all caps, is increased exponentially when they are included in a statement that touches on either the writer's superior intellect, or someone else's lack of intellect.

>>149156788
Serious question Famicom, why don’t you just go to the /a/ board if you love anime so much over western cartoons? There you could say "cartoons suck, anime rules" all you fucking want. You openly deny facts about influence from the industry and state how Japanese animators are responsible.

>>149156779
Yes, they did.
>Ctrl; "Butch Hartman", 1672 results.

What those countries did (baring Japan of course) were much worse then what the US was doing at that time.

Son of the White Mare did NOT influenced Cartoon Saloon, that was Fairly Odd Parents and Danny Phantom that influenced Cartoon Saloon.

>>149156771
Birchy is always looking for new ways to piss people off, so him sucking off a delusional cancer on /co/ like Famicom makes sense.

>>149156844
I think he comes to /co/ because he loves cartoony cartoons. He also likes Flintstones and other grand American cartoons from the past.

>>149156851
ok that's obviously trolling. good job, i honestly fell for it before, you can never tell on this board.

>>149156862
>Birchy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwACff3KkA0
Sorry, wrong guess

>>149156711
I’ve read it in Ren’s voice

>>149156864
Bro this retard thinks that Laura Haruna is the pinnacle of wacky cartoons, safe to say he’s a little "durrdurrr"

>>149156902
I mean that's a pretty normal opinion among animation buffs

>>149156803
Yes it did, Toshihiko Masuda, Kenji Hachizaki, Takashi Kawaguchi and Kazuhide Tomonaga made sure it it, it was not sappy 80’s kids slop, it was just as respected as Minky Momo, Macross and Urusei Yatsura (Mamoru Oshii chief directed episodes and movies (mainly the second one) only).

Gummi Bears was respected as fuck, even more then Dr. Shump and Dragon Ball.

>>149156911
The only people that Laura Haruna attracts are:
>>149155500

Google it yourself, noone’s believing your lies, get real and leave the internet for your own good.

>>149156879
Not trolling, fact.
>>149156902
She is.

>>149156902
>>149156939
You have to admit she's near the top, if not the absolute pinnacle. Like maybe Bugs is higher, but it's hard to think of others on that level.

>>149156939

>>149156930
TMS barely did anything to help Gummi Bears creatively, they only did the overseas animation. You act as if TMS shows like Tiny Toons and Animaniacs were created entirely by Japan.

>>149156950
Shut up famishit

>>149156950
Depends on your region I guess. Like Woody Woodpecker is huge in Brazil, but not so much in America.

>>149156979
Not famicom

>>149156957
Posting an image saying "debunked" dosent mean what I said is debunked, dumbass.
>>149156950
Okay, this is officially the most retarded thing I’ve heard on this thread.

Funniest thing is how you have no proof for any of your outlandish claims yet you expect people to believe you.

This thread sucked, got a lot of knowledge at least though.

>>149157001
Asking for proof of this is like asking for proof the sky is blue. People can just look outside and see.
>>149157017
Yeah, it wasn't all bad. Hamtarochads saved it a bit.

>>149157017
i hate gainaxfags

>>149157017
>>149157028
Pathetic samefag. I hope you die in your sleep.

>>149157150
Wrong

Fun thread. Later everyone, see you next time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2IS4tfI4Yg

>>149157180
You still deserve to die.

>>149157219
We all die, anon. Enjoy life while it lasts.

>>149157216
>next time
lol, lmao even

Theme of the thread.
https://youtu.be/uoMp9I4bpo8

>>149157250
>>>/a/
>>>/trash/

>>149157250
I wish western animation had more image songs like that.