I'm gonna say it
western animation is at its best when its copying anime

>>149127740 (OP)
Shut up weebturd

>>149127740 (OP)
Except not really

>>149128022
I know you are shitposting but you know what crippled the series? The "Please the Censors" Hit flashes!

Like seriously, I could never enjoy Batman TAS as. A kid or ANY action 90s and 2000s American show because of them, they even used them for shit that did not needed them (besides, how are they better then flashing colored lights?)

I grew up with Saint Seiya and Dragonball as a kid in the 90s and it pissed me off how cowardly American shows were at the time.

>>149128121
The difference is when Japanese shows show boobs jiggling no one listens to the woman complaining about it because everyone including other women don't care about what she thinks. When American shows have a hint of buttcrack on anything not male or inanimate legions of women with backgrounds from jobless loser to senators make entire systems of ratings to govern what parents should allow their kids to watch.

>>149127740 (OP)
Puffy's pilot style was cuter

>>149128817
Artists in Japan have to deal with censorship all the time. What are you talking about?

I love my gamer wife

>>149127740 (OP)
I really REALLY miss this era of American animation where artists pulled from Japanese anime and manga but clearly grew up with a strong foundation of American pop art first. I would give up my left arm just to go back to this over the faux-anime style you see so often in stuff like Korra, Vox Machina, Castlevania, etc. Those shows styles just feel insecure by comparison

Nah, only the Franch posses that power. Americans make garbage like Neo Yokio

>>149129532
They certainly don't seem to be at all, considering the stuff that is considered appropriate for them, but not for the american audience.

>>149130221
The French are able to do it because they read, something most Americans don't do (not even the artists in the industry). On top of that they read comics outside of their native country. You try getting an American artist to read something that isn't Japanese or American.

>>149130232
It has changed slightly over time due to the 1995 gas terror attacks and the Pokemon Porygon Fiasco (which wasn't even true btw).

Sure, in comparison to America they are still pretty loose in their shows, kids shows have shota butts and humor, so what? The 80s and pre 95 had that and Loli nudity and other stuff among with blood n shit.

>western animation is at its best when its copying anime
No. Western animation is at its best when it's outsourcing to eastern studios.

Your favorite scene from Gargoyles? Anime. Your favorite scene from Batman TAS? Anime.

Pretty much all of Teen Titans? Korean.

>>149128022
>make American equivalent
>It's all 45° sitcom flat angles

>>149130293
>Korea

There's your fucking problem, might as well give it to Marathon in the 2ks.

>>149127740 (OP)
Hi Hi Puffy AmiYumi is like a top 10 worst Cartoon Network shows though. It was a really cheap and lazy cartoon and was only made because an executive really wanted to shill the band Puffy

>>149127740 (OP)
Every single Adi Shankar show has proved the opposite.

Are the Japanese better at cartoony anime than Westerns are at anime-esque cartoons?

And how are Americans at making anime-looking cartoons compared to other non-Japanese countries?

Are the Japanese better at cartoony anime than Westerns are at anime-esque cartoons?

And how are Americans at making anime-looking cartoons compared to other non-Japanese countries?

>>149130293
You may have a point. Dungeons and Dragons was animated there, The Last Unicorn, Thundercats...

>>149130463
>And how are Americans at making anime-looking cartoons compared to other non-Japanese countries?
Shit. France, Italy, Canada, and east Asia lead that shit.

>>149130620
Last Unicorn only partially.

>>149130300

>>149127740 (OP)
What if I told you there was a bigger conspiracy to foster pop culture exchange between American and Japanese exchange in the entertainment.media industries via Cartoon Network America and Cartoon Network Japan/Asia in the early 2000s. and it was sucessful

>>149131960
And that it goes deeper, like into Toonami, broadcasting Anime in America

>>149131960
>>149132073
I just figured it was cheaper to import cartoons from Japan than produce new stuff. It's probably a bit a both. Saving money and spreading brand awareness in different markets.

>>149131960
What if I told yuo... that this was actually brewing in the late 90s with japanese tech and y2k futurism(real y2k not that fake shit) along with the fascination in "oriental" cultures being perceived as exotic, new, and exciting. Even the Chinese got to experience this with qipaos being in fashion and worn by western celebs. Sure J-pop has its fans but even then it never took off the way K-pop did outside of anime.

>>149130910
they do sitcom perspective because they design characters that only should be viewed at 3/4 angle because they look so weird and stupid otherwise.

>>149132108
Japan and America have exchanged a lot of culture over the last few decades, video games and nerd culture in particular, and all the household and automotive technology. There is nothing sinister about it, if anything it was to strengthen both culture in a rapidly globalizing world after the fall of the Berlin Wall, and then Again after 9/11, and it was a perfect match for certain types of American Suburbanite Demographic.
Cartoon Network Seems to be the biggest part of this, Followed i guess by Disney/Hasbro/The Hub, due to the toy industry in Japan, but I guess even Nckelodeon had a bit of Japanophilia with Say Kimi Finster.Then think of the impact of Fast and Furious Toyko Drift, and the growing popularity of Video Game culture/industry and online forums and message boards, like 4chan. Japan play an important role in our culture and it is all by design. we are a part of it.

>>149132162
Indeed, and this feeds into >>149132243

I like that /co's only defence to this is whataboutism.
The best animated show is Avatar the Last Airbender, and that is entirely anime inspired.

>>149129269
>self righteous otaku
good god she's me
she's literally me

>>149130160
>>149129269
what the hell was this show
>americans make cartoon about a japanese pop rock duo
>characters do not look like them at all
>do not sound like them at all
>do not even act like them

It's like it was going to be a completely different show and then they got licensed to use this bands music and just ran with it, but as far as I'm aware that's not the case.

>>149133141
I assume it was made purely just to expose the band more to american audiences. Though i'd argue the Teen Titans theme did a better job at that because I can't remember a fucking thing about this show besides liking the character designs.

>>149132297
>The best animated show
That’s not Avengers Earth’s Mightiest Heroes.

>>149133141
have ami and yumi ever once dressed like the characters irl? I can't find a single pic. closest I can find is them having the same colored hair as the characters briefly and one time, and it wasn't even a full dye job

I remember the period from 2000 or so to 2010 had a lot of Amerimanga coming out. I use the term "Amerimanga" to refer to manga and anime coming out by non-Japanese authors.

A lot of it just wasn't very good. I remember this series Dramacon that was about an anime girl at a convention. Svetlana Chmakova's art style and storytelling ability was never all that appealing. Her Nightschool manga was kind of a mess too.

Tokyopop even had a "Rising Stars of Manga" contest to find new authors. I remember they botched it by underpaying the authors. They really didn't come out with anything highly iconic from the contest other than maybe I Luv Halloween- which they tried to aggressively advertise.

2010 came with "My Life Me" which is also about an anime girl in high school. It lasted 2 seasons, which was a pretty good run. After My Life Me, Amermanga just kind of died out and felt outdated.

A lot of the authors of Amerimanga just didn't have much life experience other than liking anime. And this was pretty apparent with the writing.

>>149133438
man that's an awful tagline for a show, or anything

>>149127740 (OP)
Absolutely false.

>>149127740 (OP)
Based on what?

>>149132297
>The best animated show is Avatar the Last Airbender,
Maybe western one.

>>149133141
>>149133234
They're caricatures with exaggerated versions of Ami and Yumi's personalities, they wanted to make the cartoon version of the two more distinct from each other, possibly for marketing purposes. Nothing too distinct beyond different hairstyles irl.

>>149127740 (OP)
Based

>>149137502
Shut up weebturd

The era of American cartoon industry being fucking desperate to defeat anime was fucking hilarious. They still try to end Japanese culture but on another level. Hope that US gets annihilated in this recent conflict along with it's master Israel and let the rest of the world in peace.

>>149127740 (OP)
Cybersix is the best example of that, it basically combined both the Western style and the Eastern style.
It's absolutely gorgeous.
https://youtu.be/nHlhHImKxyE

Eastern artists are best when they're copying cartoons

How did Ami and Yumi manage to get CN to make a show forever them?
Also CN shilled that show extremely hard during the mid 2000s, giving them a parade balloon and appearing in the center of the old CN store in Atlanta even though the show wasn't that successful and had a short run

>>149127740 (OP)
Anime is at its best when copying western animation that is copying anime.

>>149138281
Not really.

>>149127740 (OP)
Reverse actually (imagine a PSG promo image next to this one)

>>149133141
It’s kinda like Gorillaz

Ami and Yumi are my wives.

>>149138893
This looks more like a French/Italian work desu

>>149138893
They need to lean more into the silly aspects instead of the Isekai adventure shit.
>>149138947
Nope, Tatsunoko Productions.
A studio that was known for still doing Western style designs in their cartoons well into the 2000s.
They stopped though which is sad, now they're just an outsourcing studio.

>>149130160
Yumi is so beautiful

>>149130463
>Are the Japanese better at cartoony anime than Westerns are at anime-esque cartoons?
no, Americans are actually funny.

>>149132297
>The best animated show
is Xavier: Renegade Angel

>>149139128
Anon they are though.
When they are allowed to be funny they can do a fantastic job. After all people like Tezuka was inspired by stuff like Disney and Fleischer.
Western cartoons are so unfunny now and the only excuse is that "oh you grew up" meanwhile I can find some random show from the late 90s and 2000s and can still get a good laugh.
It's the faggots in charge and some of the artists they hire that are the problem.

>>149127740 (OP)
it is in fact

>>149139161
kys birchy

>>149139191
Who?
Also you're not calling me a liar Anon.

>>149139204
>Who?
you, nigga

>>149139226
Must be getting me confused with someone else Anon.

>>149139128
>are
More like were.

>>149139280
They don't make anything funny anymore, and they haven't for the last 20 years except for Newgrounds guys.

>>149131960
whats the conspiracy, exactly?
both countries profit and we consumers get to enjoy cultural exchange
weve been pretty tight with japan ever since we helped them rebuild after the war

>>149139297
>except for Newgrounds guys
that counts

I'm so sick of animefags on this board. Please go back to x.

>>149139394
Board was founded by them retard.
Complaining about them is just gonna bring more of them, just learn to adapt.

>>149130910
I miss actual adult cartoons.

>>149139415
Retard

>>149139449
Anyways enough about you.

>>149139460
Nice projection

>>149138893
can i get a name plox?

>>149139478
The only thing that's being projected is your mental retardation.
Save some braincells for the rest of us dummy.

>>149139570
This board if for western comics and animation only so talk about them or GTFO

>>149139598
*is

>>149127740 (OP)
Same

>>149132162
Jpop is kind of weird because it was actually starting to break into the mainstream riiiiiiight when Kpop happened. Like it just got fucking smacked out of relevance. And it's a shame because Kpop is shit intentionally twisted to appeal to Western audiences while Jpop at least has some variety going on.

>>149139920
Retarded opinion

>>149140075
Anyways enough about your thoughts.

>>149138405
Panty and Stocking only looks Western when it intentionally shifts styles to that flash parody look. Its default art style is literally just Imaishi's style from the late 00s/early 10s. HIGHLY stylized but still very much anime.

>>149140090
Sorry that I’ve called out weeb retardation

>>149140134
Sorry for your existence.

>>149140157
Cope and seethe

>>149139479
Mach Girl

>>149140164
Only thing thats coping and seething is your parents for ever giving birth to you.

>>149138973
Shame, anime was based on cartoons but it’s all just stiffly animated anorexic high schoolers now, b-b-but look we animated the exact same forced perspective action poses on ones!!

>>149140226
>Shame, anime was based on cartoons
By the 70s they started moving away from cartoons and some of the best anime look absolutely nothing like cartoons.

>>149140279
Thanks Anno.
Like John K, he too changed the course of animation for better and for worse.

>>149140226
Bro western cartoons have been nothing but calarts slop since the late 00s.

>>149140191
tyvm anon

>>149140303
Bro no they haven't, they had unique styles and different genres of styles, yes some were that thick outlined UPA style but at least they tried to be different.
Nowadays everything looks the exact same.

>>149140303
Both the 2010s beanmouth style and the post 2000s anime style are different breeds of generic

>>149140192
Nice headcanon

>>149140356
Only headcanon I have is the one where you aren't an annoying faggot.

>>149140349
It sucks really bad.
Not to mention all modern ones are just "I got reincarnated as a dishwasher" it's like they ran out of ideas.

>>149140349
>post 2000s anime style
There were so many cool and unique looking anime in the 00s and 10s. What are you even talking about?

>>149140390
Azumanga and like 4 others. There were some decent ones in the 2010s but those were even rarer.

>>149140367
>”Don’t you dare insult the heckin weebtards!”

>>149140381
>Not to mention all modern ones are just
Maybe all the ones you've watched. Odd taxi was nothing like that , neither was megalobox. Also we are getting a new lupin movie in a week.
>>149140226
I like Puniru , it was a return to Kodomo fun.

>>149140404
>Azumanga and like 4 others.
I could name 20-30 without even thinking. Are you just this unware? Should I also call every western cartoon made after the 1950s generic?

>>149140435
>Should I also call every western cartoon made after the 1950s generic?
Knock yourself out.
You're just blinded by nostalgia, like I was kinda shocked going back watching old 2000s cartoons and them not being as good as I remembered, some were still funny and some weren't as funny.
Thats why instead of complaining I look for cool stuff to watch, that way I have nothing to complain about unless it's a shitty animated film or topics like this and topics about the industry.

>>149127740 (OP)
Everyone is always at their best when they just copy what they like. You like those hands? Steal em. Take those hands. Be proud of it. Hell, put a tribute to the source in your own work as thanks.

>>149140478
>You're just blinded by nostalgia
How can you be blinded by nostalgia regarding something not having a generic art style? You could be blinded by nostalgia regarding a cartoon's quality but having an unique art style is not something relevant to that.

>>149140485
Just don't do Akira or DBZ references because those have been done to death.

>>149140526
Oh we were talking about artstyles my bad, I went off on a tangent.

I'm mostly just talking about Japanese animation styles from the 2010s and onwards, anything after 2011 has been degrading in quality, now yes there were some goodies sprinkled in like Dragon maid and LWA and a few others that I haven't named, but I noticed every show from Japan now is just either action, or some dumb romance story with a twist.

>>149140612
>Oh we were talking about artstyles my bad
Yeah, it's not a hard discussion to follow lol.
>I'm mostly just talking about Japanese animation styles from the 2010s and onwards
I like some 2010s anime a lot as well. Watch Space Dandy for something that has a lot of care put into visual flare depending on the episode.
>but I noticed every show from Japan now is just either action, or some dumb romance story with a twist.
If you are interested in something else try the new Mononoke movie(but only after you've watched the 1st series) and also pic related is supposed to get released somewhere this year. Here you have some snipets https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfPB8o7xK7E. Just look at this shit, Unfortunately no one seems to be talking about it, but is screams soul. Thoughts?

>>149140126
>Its default art style is literally just Imaishi's style from the late 00s/early 10s.
Ehhh not really. It looks like a Slave labor graphics comic, invader zim and ppg. Japan didn't invent that sharp edge style.

>>149127740 (OP)
Copy, adapt, mimic, and inspiration... Varied terms and ways of creation/production, and the result reflects the method's approached or taken...

>>149140704
Oh I'll give it a go.
>>149140706
I'm not hopeful for the new Panty and Stocking, they censored too much, and also the English voice actors are horrible people.

>>149140706
M8 it looks like a slightly more stylized version of the art Imaishi drew for Gurren Lagann and is almost indistinguishable from Dead Leaves.

>>149141327
>a slightly more stylized version
which is partly inspired by those alt comics in the 90s/00s. It doesn't look much like GL. The sharp edges are based on comics, a lot like Soul Eater.
>Dead Leaves
That looks western too

>>149130463
I wouldn't say better, it can be pretty awkward and empty like the kakegurui scene where they use the star vs artstyle. Its one of my favorite styles done right though, pop'n music is a goldmine of cute japanese cartoon designs and animations and i'd love more japanese cartoon stuff like that.

>>149127740 (OP)
It's bizarre how cartoons in the 2000s feel more like anime than the people making cartoons now that were created by people who were "raised" on anime.
Like something like Jackie Chan adventures feels like it would fit on a block with Pokemon or Digimon way more than Owl House ever did.

>>149127740 (OP)
I'd say the same!

>>149140045
That's my point, there was an active push for it too but it never quite took off.

>>149140704
>That one new movie done by the dude who made the Shojo Tsubaki animated film

He's still alive!

>>149143913
>That movie.
I never wanna see that shit, even I have limits.

>>149143757
copycat