Thread 149128623

>Extremely formulaic mid movie
>Has romance+fashion
>Instant hit with female viewers
seriously, that's all you need to get a female audience, fashion, handsome brooding male characters and romantic tension.

>>149128623 (OP)
Is there something wrong with women liking men?

>>149128623 (OP)
>Hot women wanting to fuck hot women
Yeah, I support this. Why wouldn't you support this?

>>149128988
It's not, the point is that the MCU tried to portray the Independent girlboss as something that girls would love and it backfired hugely. On the other hand you have John K like coomers who want to pair sexy cartoon women with ugly cartoon men and so you can't win with either.

>>149129036
OP is gay

>>149128988
It's not, the point is that the MCU tried to portray the Independent Girlboss as something that girls would love, and it backfired big time. All they had to do was just give the female characters more fashion choices and give them brooding male love interests, and then more women and girls would have flocked to their films.

>>149128623 (OP)
You forgot
>has appealing character designs
This would’ve never succeeded if it looked like Elio or Turning red.

>>149129059
Femanon
>Inb4 YWNAB
Let's say for the sake of argument that I just am, I personally think romance is fun and adding a little romance and sensuality to a story doesn't distract from the emotional depth to the characters. It can honestly add a lot when you have dynamics to play off of.

Girls like a wide variety of things, but FANDOM girls like romance. It drives any thriving fandom for women.

>>149129074
This actually has nothing to with the males being hot or brooding, look at the Eltingville Club threads. Women like guys who are a little ugly too, it's just how fun they are as characters that matters.

>>149128988

Some view it as a weakness

And you can attract a male audience by making the girls attractive (Totally Spies for me)

>>149129119
Or not, many guys like nerdy frumpy women and find them cute too
People have varied tastes

>>149129114
>Women like guys who are a little ugly too
Funny that you reference the Eltingville guys since Jerry and Bill, the two most conventionally attractive, are like 90% of all the fanart. Bill especially.
Call me when you have people unironically thirsting after Danny Devito.

>>149129119
>>149129114
>This actually has nothing to with the males being hot or brooding, look at the Eltingville Club threads
The women who desire members of the Eltingville club are generally not "normal" women

>>149129189
NTA she's right that attraction varies, not every woman likes Brad Pitt, but in general women don't like fat guys, even weird buff short guys will have someone who likes them, but no one likes fat guys, t. former fat guy

>>149129255
Genuinely not true, I draw fat guys all the time because I think they’re hot

>>149129279
You're a weird fetishist that I probably wouldn't want to associate with. like I understand why "normal" women don't like fat men and losing weight and getting fit has helped me as a person

>>149129353
I draw skinny guys too weirdo, I just draw guys I think are hot. Some of them are fat, some of them not. It depends.

>>149129353
>like I understand why "normal" women don't like fat men and losing weight and getting fit has helped me as a person
Ah you one of those

>>149129162
Most guys like hot women, if you think otherwise it's because you're retarded.

Can't enjoy shit nowadays.

>>149129074
>>149128623 (OP)

The "Girlboss" phenomenon exists in response to Hollywood wanting to capitalize on women being bigger consumers than men and take advantage of how men's girlfriends/wives/female family members will purchase men's IP. But because Hollywood execs are morons and the creatives are midwits with agendas, the "Girlboss" is created because the execs still want a "male" main character but one that's superficially female so it can tick off required boxes. The Girlboss isn't really a character so much as she is a plot device and mandate born out of women's insecurity, as well as a combination of misandry (the execs still don't like women despite what they claim) and misogyny (the creatives hate men), and a misunderstanding of why female action characters are popular to begin with

Women don't like Girlbosses because the Girlboss has no real character to project onto or parallel the female experience with. Female characters (as well as male characters that are popular with women because they act like women: Griffith, Elric, Starscream, Draco Malfoy, MCU Bucky and Loki, Sasuke) are beloved because they reflect who women and what they do and would like to see, what they would want to happen to them, etc. More women gave a shit about Darcy or MCU Peter than they ever did Carol.

Hollywood needs to realize that women like characters that are...well, women. Women like pretty jewelry and colorful outfits and shopping and talking about their day and gossiping and playing house/life sims/puzzle games and watching horror movies and lusting after men and being very emotionally vulnerable

>>149129756
>Hollywood wanting to capitalize on women being bigger consumers than men and take advantage of how men's girlfriends/wives/female family members will purchase men's IP.
They had 20 years to figure this out with Jackson’s trilogy. No woman says Eowyn is their favorite character, they’re all running after Legolas. Same thing happened with the Girlboss OC elf in the Hobbit movies; girlboss got zero attention, but the hot elf king grabbed panties everywhere.

>>149129882
It's also why Snape and Draco were massively popular with female Harry Potter fans. Women dig male characters more than female characters, ESPECIALLY if those male characters resemble women

I partially blame the death of adventure movies and romance movies (and adventure-romance) as to why we're stuck with the Girlboss. Adventure movies were able to appeal towards both men and women, romance movies always were a hit with women, and adventure-romance guaranteed massive success (think about why Aladdin and Tangled are popular)

>>149129991
I feel like a lot of women just like men that are well-designed and have a dynamic with other characters that they’re interested in. Of course some fujos like femme men but not all of us are like that.

I also think you’re wrong about why women liked Snape and Draco.

>>149128988
I don't think it's necessarily as black and white as people make it out to be
Women loved Ne Zha 2 because the leads were two guys

>>149129668
The lost weight made his face and head shape uglier. Maybe if he had a more aesthetically pleasing face the weight loss could have improve his looks.

>>149128623 (OP)
maybe just basic human interaction?

>>149128623 (OP)
It was decent but way too fucking aggressively straight. Instead of focusing on the prettyboi faggot they should've elaborated on her demon father and her parents in general. It's insane that they drop that bombshell at the start and then never mention it again like it's not a worldview changing revelation for everyone. Like we don't even know what happened between her parents. That shit made me mad.

The movie screams cut content. So many hanging threads.

>>149129756
> But because Hollywood execs are morons and the creatives are midwits with agendas, the "Girlboss" is created because the execs still want a "male" main character but one that's superficially female so it can tick off required boxes.
Kind of like the inverse of what Japan and China do where they want cute feminine leads but understand that only boys have the fire and force of adventure so they make their boys super cutesy and round and chubby

>>149128623 (OP)
>Make movie about men being evil
>Women fall in love with the men because they're hot
Seems like they failed at their message

>>149129074
I just want variety. Sometimes I'm in the mood for girlboss sometimes I'm not. Hollywood can't understand this.

>>149132629
Very easily fixed with an alternative haircut or by putting on some clothes.

>>149129991
>>149129756
>>149129756
>ESPECIALLY if those male characters resemble women
What the fuck are you taking about? Snape is basically a resentful Incel?

>>149134691
Putting on clothes would make him uglier. His face looks creepier and his neck is thinner. His muscles are now his only good points.

>>149128623 (OP)
>>149129094
It's really this simple. You can go over the top if you want and try adding in cute/chubby animals, pretty little girls, love triangles, and found family relationships but as long as you've got one brooding hot boy, some romance, and some nice clothes women will dig it. Get him to fight with a cocky pretty boy and you're golden.

>>149130715
>I also think you’re wrong about why women liked Snape and Draco
He's dead wrong. Snape doesn't act like a woman. He's a dark, broody, imposing guy and the bullying and humiliation he went through made him the man he is today. Draco may be catty, and backhanded, but what makes him popular is that he's wealthy, handsome, powerful, but also a very insecure man who is put in situations he doesn't want to be a part of. They're both interested and are absolutely the type of people fandom kiddies fawn over.
>>149134885
Nigga. I just think you're gay at this point.

>>149128623 (OP)
>people expect visual medium to look appealing
wow what a crazy thought

>>149129668
Left isn't fat

>>149129668
>harder body, less comfortable to hold

>>149129756
>Griffith, Elric, Starscream, Draco Malfoy, MCU Bucky and Loki, Sasuke reflect who women and what they do and would like to see,
>Women like pretty jewelry and colorful outfits and shopping and talking about their day and gossiping and
Either you're very confused or you have very weird hcs about the characters you name dropped.
Notice how none of these are the main character. Those characters make the drama and/or at the center of some tragedy. There is a demographic for girly shits but womenTM tend to like characters whose personal story line and tragedy are central for the plot more than they like a flat power fantasy. They want the emotional vulnerability and yeah, to no one's surprise, look and/or design matters. In sum, they want the same thing as men because in case people forgot a lot of action movies targetted at men used to have this act where the main character is put though the wringer before turning the table around in the last act. The problem is people in charge being fake as fuck to the point they don't remember what it's like to be a person or an human.

>>149128623 (OP)
Yet the studios still cannot grasp this

>>149135555
I remember seeing a statistic on Twitter of the most popular X/Reader fanfiction on A03 and the top results were for Bucky, Loki, Dean Winchester, Bakugou and Sam Winchester

>>149135578
That's the point

>>149128988
Anon, everyone knows it's gay to like men.