Thread 149149270

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>>149149298
Already wrong lmao Khufu and Chay-Ra were humans, not from Thanagar.
How did he get that wrong? He got the Deathbringer stuff right, how did he think those two were anything else but humans?

>>149149293
Please tells me this means we can now ignore all the New 52 Wonder Woman bullshit.

>>149149330
>John's shitty fanfic got in.

>>149149273
Reading is for nerds!

>>149149356
MARTIAN MANHUNTER

The idea of DC having a "history" is ludicrous when they can't even decide on a continuity.

I'm surprised he didn't sneak-in a TDS tirade.

>>149149377
What would TDS Telecom have to do with this?

And that's it. If you liked this, support your LCS or whatever.

>>149149349
Is this the first time we actually see Justice Society Dark?
Johns teased that, but I don't think he ever actually elaborated on them

>>149149375
To me, that's kind of half of the fun of it, seeing how many hoops they'll have to jump through to make this make some sense, it's fun.
I look forward to seeing them do this again in 5 years.

>>149149389
I will buy this book later today, thank you very much.

>>149149276
Is this the first post-Gaiman cancellation appearance of the Endless gang?

>>149149282
Sex with Zamarons

>>149149336
>iron munro
>neptune perkins
Damn, they paid no expense for that deep cut, did they?

>>149149356
Please don't forget them....

>>149149488
It's Mark Waid, hes been wanting do this for years. Good for him.

>>149149402
>I look forward to seeing them do this again in 5 years.

I hate how this isn't even a joke.

>>149149503
Waid's brain 90% DC Comics continuity, 9% tears, and 1% pervert shit.

>>149149500
Which decade did they belong to? They’ll probably appear in book 2z

>>149149293
what about the Bana-Mighdall

It’s interesting how Morrison was completely skipped and the only reference to him here is in the appendix with regard to Bruce Wayne being sent to the past. Instead we get references to a rapist and Scott Snyder’s terrible fanfiction.

I can’t wait until Hickman comes to DC in 2026 and rewrites everything and makes this outdated again because his diagrams are good enough. How much do you want to bet that he’ll completely nuke this timeline on the first book he starts with?

>>149149557
I don't recall exactly when, but they're after the JSA, but before the JLA, they were J'onn's original hero team, he was the Bronze Wraith.
Book 2 would make the most sense, hopefully they're there.

>>149149577
Oh, and the appendix? All those panels were taken from pirate sites and so were the citations. They didn’t even give volume numbers.

>>149149279
so who's "God" here and how does he relate to the Hands or the Endless here >>149149276

>>149149577
>It’s interesting how Morrison was completely skipped and the only reference to him here is in the appendix with regard to Bruce Wayne being sent to the past. Instead we get references to a rapist and Scott Snyder’s terrible fanfiction.
Which parts was that? I forget what Morrison added or the rapist or anything.

>>149149488
Hopefully this will shut up all the Fury fans. Lyta Fury is still the daughter of Helena

>>149149733
>Lyta Fury is still the daughter of Helena
Who’s Helena again? I’m sorry, this timeline is so confusing

>no mention of Golden Age Aquaman
Huh.

>>149149765
Hey you’re right.

>>149149329
is that Iron Man

>>149149780
It’s Baron Blitzkrieg, the Nazi

>>149149590
The Presence I assume

>>149149859
but how does he relate to the history of the multiverse here? he's not mentioned at all aside from the Spectre being "God's wrath"

>>149149918
Snyder said the Source and the Presence were the same thing 5 years ago. Whether that’s canon or not is the question. The Imaginary Axis YouTuber guy had an interview with Snyder 5 years ago and asked him all these questions we’re asking now and he literally flubbed and said “uhh yeah idk maybe” and that’s been the state of DC canon since.

>Godwave, the thing that’s the source of basically every super power in existence, isn’t mentioned
>that weird ancient Justice League with Black Adam, Hippolytta and Swamp Thing not mentioned
What other stuff is missing? I’m surprised they mentioned what I’m assuming is the Superman Conspiracy thing from Doomsday Clock tho >>149149356

>>149149315
So Milestone is canon in DC, but no mention of anything from Wildstorm.

>>149149966
to be fair, I wouldn't expect Scott Snyder or literally any other sane man in the world to make sense of DC continuity if I asked questions on the spot

except Mark Waid maybe

>>149149577
>Instead we get references to a rapist and Scott Snyder’s terrible fanfiction
qrd?

>>149150033
Rapist = Gaiman

Scott Snyder’s fanfiction = the Metal Saga

>>149150017
I really doubt anything Wildstorm related will be mentioned at all. That world is just way too different from mainline DC. At best Apollo and Midnighter might be mentioned in their N52 selves, with no indication Wildstorm stuff ever happened.

>>149149577
Hickman will only write for DC when Marvel buys DC.

>>149149330
non stop mating press impregnation sex with Little Miss Redhead

>>149149276
so what was the hands doing during the other crises? is the space accountant a Hand or just an agent of one?

>>149149282
>>149149285
are they saying the Guardians predate the New Gods?

>>149149337
wasnt that already retconned literally the next run?

>>149149297
>The Rock of eternity is no longer two mountains in heaven and hell smashed together by the wizard

BOO

>>149149300
this implies the Hyperboran Age was after Christ

>>149149329
>red lantern
Fuck off

>>149149287
ARION!

>>149149276
Why is everyone like 61/2 heads tall?

>>149150302
wasn't the thing about The Hand the fact that they were really disappointed at the DC multiverse during most Crises and only decided to do something about it during Death Metal

>>149149297
More interesting than I expected.
Ordway should probably retire.

>>149150091
I think most Wildstorm history has been transferred over to Earth-41. That's the one based on Image Comics with Spore and Dino Cop.

>>149149276
>Perpetua is still the origin of all creation
https://youtu.be/HnrjygAG18o?si=nXbFf_zoL5oyGS5r

>>149149276
>The existence of the Endless confirmed for the main DCU

It's all kind of confusing, since the new Sandman books seemed to take place on their own word, with John Constantine being fucking dead now.

>>149149279
>Lucifer
Metal

>>149149311
>Starman-version of The Shade

Absolutely Based.

I still can't believe COIE is fucking DC over 40 fucking years later.

>>149149315
My God, that woman is wearing trousers.

>>149150464
Wait, isn’t there a Maul and Spartan and other dudes in mainline DC universe too? What’s up with that?

>>149149280
>No entities
>No Volthoom
>No Nekron
>No Sector 666
hmmm

>>149149280
>>149149282
Oh I almost forget
>No Krona causing the Multiverse to happen
hmmm hmmm
>>149149285
Shouldn't the Fourth World happen before the Green Lantern Corps?

>>149150517
only because they willingly choose to make it a problem again and again

>>149150321
>>149150558
I don't think every single page is successive but you're right

>>149149287
>Arion ended the Ice Age
Cool
>>149149290
>Eclipso caused the Deluge
Double cool, but wouldn't those two be related?
Also
>Tritonis
Waid sure loves his Lori

>>149149500
Sex With Song Bird

>>149149293
>Antro and Vandal showing up after Atlantis
Is this right?

>>149149337
Rucka made it a hocus pocus sham back in '16, my /co/mpatriot

I look forward to my favorite comics YouTuber to cover this.

>>149149285
Ok, but what's Urgrund and why is it important(in this context)?

I don't mind the universe being disjointed, that's the charm imo, but this isn't really making things more cohesive.

>>149149273
I haven't been keeping up with DC that much lately. When did Barry retire?

>>149149330
Judy Garrick is pure sex and belongs to Jai West

>>149149297
>Shazam still brown
Hmmmmmmmm

>>149150630
dont bother with the when or why, just that it happened

>>149149297
>Adam is of the Egyptians
>no, of the Akkadians
>no, of the Africans
Make up your damn minds

>>149149298
I'm glad Venditti's Hawkman stuck but Waid is forgetting about the previous incarnations unless it's a lineal succession in a lateral timeline.
Also since when is Chay-ara thanagarian this shit better don't include John like in JLU

>>149149300
Wasn't Jason a knight?

>>149149304
>Demon Knights still canon
How do we feel about it?
>Mobius Chair and Boom Tubes were created in the middle ages
Huh? But then they're not that old. Was this always the case?

>>149149344
God Bless Jeb Stuart

>>149149315
>Icon as part of the DCU
Ok, cool but wouldn't his origin also conflict with Superman?

>>149150755
we already have a bunch of Superman expys, one more wouldn't hurt

>>149149318
No mention that Nighthawk and Cinnamon are reincarnations of the Hawks?

>>149149979
Yes, the Supermen Conspiracy is from Doomsday Clock, Waid is doing everything Johns left him to do.
Now hope part 2 includes Wildcats and JLA Avengers since this is the main plot.

>>149149324
>Dream and Dodds having a relation
Hell Yeah

>>149150476
Always has been, dream showed up in JLA, Metal, etc.
>>149149300
Waid, you senile moron, Ystin is from a pre-civilizational, 10,000 years old camelot. That was a thing pre and post new 52. They fell to the Sheeda in Seven Soldiers.

>>149149349
Oh the New frontier's Suicide squad is prime earth canon?

>>149150797
that's been a thing for a while now

>>149149577
Such faggotry in one single post

>>149150119
And this is happening already since they are testing the waters and cooperating again
Also Part 2 will obviously mention JLA Avengers and Wildcats since Johns, Snyder and Waid wanted the OG universe introduced at DC during the 90's, and since ICON is here, then Part 2 and 3 will cover the next generation with Milestone, Wildstorm and Beyond.
>OG Gen 13 introduced as the new heroes of the 90's
>Hitman also part of this new generation and also missed by the community
>Virgil being born from the original comic but his look is now the same as the Cartoon.

>>149150091
Too Early in the timeline to introduce Gen13 and the Wildcats, those are at most events of the 90's when above is the new generation of heroes post Death and Return.

>>149150119
Hickman has had a foot on the door for some time now, he constantly says in interviews that he's writing shit like Imperial simply out of compromise.

>>149149329
Stop forcing Alan to be gay

yeah no I doubt they're gonna fold WildStorm properties into this unified continuity, it'd be stupid too since it's such a different setting. just keep it as an alternate universe

>>149149329
>Hyppolita instead of Diana in the 40s
I'm better off with this

>>149149330
A lot of stuff like this page make me thinkg Johns ghost-writ this book, or maybe it was Nauck's push since he was also involved in those stories.

>>149150914
Thank god Johns no longer has influence at current dc. This is more recency bias, like the avengers 1,000,000 B.C showing up in History of the marvel universe

>>149149334
So the FF are not stuck to Earth-X?
Also
>classic Phantom Lady
Unff, muh penis

>>149150777
Mentioned in the notes pages: >>149149376

>>149149334
Gotta be the first time the Dan Richards Manhunter has been mentioned in about 20 years.

>>149150798
It's very possible that Waid knows that but his personal autism required making Justin come first since the character was published first. I think a lot of this series will be him trying to consolidate the actual published history with what he thinks should be the history. Add in the executive mandates and I expect it to be a mess of a series.

>>149150545
Volthoom is mentioned in the notes section>>149149366
Honestly, Rodriguez could have made it fit, Nauck and Ordway's layouts are comparatively much simpler.

>>149149336
>Nazis using the Spear and Grail
I just love this shit for some reason

>>149149340
>>149149336
>>149149334
>>149149344
>>149149349
>>149149352
>>149149356
Removing Batman, Superman, captain marvel, and Wonder Woman from WW2 basically assures this will be treated as fan fic going forward.

>>149149344
I still remember that time Wayne Brady played Gravedigger.
Hell yeah.

>>149150963
It's treated as the story of the current iteration of the universe from a canon POV not from publishing on a strict fashion.

>>149149344
>Confederate ghost
Uh oh
>Dan Turpin
Never forgotten
>The Losers
Will they bring up Dinosaur Island?

>>149149349
>Justice Society Dark
Never heard of this before. Are they teasing a new book? Because I would read that

>>149150558
It's difficult to fit the fourth world linearly into continuity since it is outside the multiverse but the rebirth Green Lanterns run had a denizen of the third world be one of the first green lanterns.

>>149151025
The new Zatanna book has teased it already.

>>149149859
>>149149966
The Presence, The Source, The Light and Monitor Mind are are basically the same Supreme Creator.

>>149151036
Really? I read the last issue a couple of hours ago and didn't catch on this

>>149151054
What about Prometea? They should've axed or clowned her completely, fuck Snyder for taking away the mystery from the Hand

>>149149352
I still find it weird that Hyppolita hanged out with the JSA as the first Wondy. Cool that they can explain Dinah Sr. but anyway did Joan Garrick get affected along with the JSA or how come she's still around like them?

>>149149356
>Doom Patrol, Metal Men, Firestorm and Metamorpho can be traced to a government conspiracy
This could make for a cool crossover.
>First book ends with the destruction of Krypton
Kino AF

>>149149311
bit odd that this page is before the next, considering this is mostly about the 19th century,y and the next is about the late 18th century

>>149149320
>commonly known as Enemy Ace
im not sure that name works in-universe

>>149149324
Wesley Dodds Bankrolling the Blackhawks is a bit odd connection.
Is this something from Sandman Mystery Theatre?
Feels a bit arbitrary if not

>>149150955
I see, also
>>149149370
>>149149285
>>149149293
Wish the book was longer so they could've dropped the Source Wall and the Return of Bruce Wayne, but the latter would've taken too many mentions.

>>149149276
>bunch of Snyderslop OCs + the typical Gaimangarbage reference
Grim.

>>149149765
John didn't know what to do with him when making him canon again, I'm guessing Waid thought the same, he's just a nothing character

>>149149279
>>149149280
uh
I think like 3-4 pages worth of stuff generally happened between these two?

>>149149293
OUR RESURRECTION NIGGA IS SO BACK

>>149150867
Show me one of those interviews.

>>149149329
>Re(tcone)d Lantern
Cringe

>>149149334
booba

/co/ could do better than this garbage. Everything's all over the place. There was one anon who put together a storytime made up of different pages of the entire DC history and made it more sense than this.

>>149149349
What

>>149150818
They were always the original suicide squad from the 1960s comics

>>149149391
They still didn’t show Diamond Jack as a member of the Justice Society Dark. But I guess the narration doesn’t say ALL members are shown.

>>149149500
They shouldn’t forget them.
They’re an intricate part of Martian Manhunter’s past since he was really the Bronze Wraith.

>>149151333
>zoomie trash not thinking Sandman is kino in 2025
grim

>>149151334
He could be the new father of Koryak.
Or Deep Blue.

>>149150629
Urgrund was the home planet of the Old Gods before they all died when the planet split into New Genesis and Apokalips.
Old Gods include Olgrun and Gog.

>>149150963
Have you been in coma for the last 43 years or something?

>>149150630
During absolute power he destroyed wallers multiverse portal which destroyed earth 1s connections to the multiverse and also his powers

>>149151102
Speed force son

They haven't brought up any of the Earth 1 Earth 2 shit, which makes me wonder, how are they going to explain Power Girl?

>>149149287
Atlantis isn't even the first civilization in Atlantis lore.

>>149150867
compromise for what

>>149149273
Bump

>>149149290
This is also false. Atlantis was not sank in the Deluge. It sank over a thousand years, beginning with the City of the Golden Gate at the end of Arion's reign as High Mage, and finally with the coming of the 'Red Moon Gods' the last cities Poseidonis and Tritonis sank 50,000 years ago, approximately 30,000 or so years before the Deluge.

>>149149293
>>149150616
Very wrong. Not only does the origin of mankind obviously predate Atlantis, the lore established in Arion is that all modern races and cultures of man were precursored there, somehow.

>>149149298
Did he just forget about Ystin and her Camelot of like 12,000 BC?

>>149152288
speedreader
or is it speedposting

>>149149309
And the Sensei, al Ghul's father, the original Old Man of the Mountain?

>>149149315
>Icon
The Milestone universe wasn't saved in Milestone Reborn, then?

>>149149320
>>149149324
>no mention of the Clock, the Spider, or even Crimson Avenger
WTF?

>>149149329
>alongside
They were called the All-Star Squadron.

>>149149334
>Invisible Justice
You mean the Invisible Hood? Did you get confused with Hooded Justice from fucking Watchmen?

>>149149298
Why is King Arthur a guy?

>>149149336
Young All-Stars were actually a PR stunt, not a superteam formed in reaction to T.N.T.'s death.

Flash and GL storytime for those interested
>>149151820

>>149149352
This is just retarded nonsense. Mar Merlin didn't become Prince Ra-Man until like the 70's or early 80's. He was contemporary with the Enchantress. Atoman isn't even a part of their super hero line.

>>149149356
>Superman Project
This is the most retarded Johns fanfic that shows his involvement.

>>149149326
He’s not wrong anon. This is now the history of the dcu. He is currently correct

>>149150017
>>149150091
>>149150464
>>149150527
>>149150841
WildStorm needs to be it's own, original universe and continuity.

>>149149372
>>149149300
I'm bothered by the conflation of the "normal" medieval Camelot Justin comes from with the pre-flood Camelot that Ystina comes from.

>>149150798
Like you say. But then, post New 52 had that Ystina from Demon Knights, whose origin I'm not sure of, but I know that can't be the same Ystina from Seven Soldiers, since that was a woman and this is a hermaphrodite.

So who the fuck knows. I prefer the Seven Soldiers Ystina and ancient Camelot, as they're a lot more interesting than anything else, but leave it to Waid to fuck with something good and make it shit.

>>149150895
THIS. So much.

>>149152640
We need a booba and lifting challenge inbewteen Cait and Kara anon.

>>149151481
Agreed

>>149149304
We need more Demon Knights that book was fun

>>149152303
After reading the next page, my question/criticism remains.

>>149149733
>>149149748

When crisis happened and Earth 2 WW removed from continuity (but her daughter Lyta still being around in Infinity Inc), Roy Thomas made a Golden Age Fury to be Lyta's mom in Young All Stars, though with the caveat that Miss America (who died off panel in All Star Squadron but was brought back post Crisis in) raised Lyta after Helena died under "mysterious circumstances"; with Roy then waffling back and forth on whether or not Helena or Miss America took WW's JSA spot (made kore complicated when James Robertson killled Miss America off in the ambiguously canon Golden Age).

When Neil Gainan stole Lyta from Roy Thomas and banned writers from writing her, Helena became apocrypha especially after Byrne retconned Hypolyta having traveled back in time and became the Golden Age WW and JSA WW. It wasn't until the early 00s that Roy Thomas and Phil Jimenez used the fact Neil was too busy beefing with Todd McFarlane, to bring Helena back to canon as a demonic looking Fury hero

>>149152064
She’ll appear with her older Superman during the Crisis on Infinite Earths.
Then older Superman goes away and she left on main Earth. Our Superman is grieving the death of Supergirl.
So Superman and Powergirl grieve together.

Supergirl is later resurrected by Darkseid and the Female Furies.

>>149152382
Not all members in each of these team snippets are shown.

>>149149748
Pre-Crisis, Infinity Inc.'s Fury was Hippolyta Trevor, daughter of Steve Trevor and Wonder Woman on Earth-2. Post-Crisis, Lyta Trevor was the daughter of the original Fury, Helena Kosmatos, who was created to replace Wonder Woman in WW2 era stories like All-Star Squadron after the '80s reboot.

>>149149330
>>149150914
Nauck’s push I believe.
But look. They included the Newsboy Legion Clones who specifically from the modern age since Famous Bobbie is there. But they didn’t include Secret, the only other modern age character taken from the time stream in Geoff’s Stargirl miniseries.

>>149151195
Yes. There was an arc in SMT where Blackhawk comes to the US to try and get liberals to fund Polish resistance to the Nazi invasion and is treated like a huge celebrity amongst the wealthy elite of NYC, with women wanting to fuck him and men copying his Tom of Finland look. The story has Wes agree to front him the money to create the Blackhawk organization and Blackhawk realizing that celebrity is the first disgrace, leading to the arc ending with Blackhawk faking his death after returning to Poland after a failed assassination attempt.

>>149150914
Well, Waid is using the weird cryptid Golden Age Kid Air-Wave in JLU, so he's gotta acknowledge the others he came with.
Only question is if he's going to acknowledge the Air-Wave that's Hal's cousin.

>>149149287
SWAMPSAURUS

>>149149276
So, have they now officially retconned that it's not Anti-Moniter's hand from COIE sticking out of the Beginning of Time?

I would literally retcon my own OC donut steel team into the DC’s 1980s-1990s, ending with a great battle in 1999. Before the current Dawn of Heroes.

>>149153025
I thought that was always the Great Evil Beast?

>>149152957
Yeah, All Star Squadron could use its Golden Age Air-Wave with the talking parrot and ability to roller-skate on telephone wires.

>>149151750
Tsunami would probably cheat on Neptune Perkins with him, and then his disappearance may have something to do with that in retaliation. Nobody seems to care what became of Adam Waterman, and forgets he existed.

>>149153076
He could have become amnesiac and became the A.J. Curry of Kurt Busiek’s Aquaman run.

>>149149315
Oh, New 52 Icon is still around

>>149153063
Very explicitly suppose to be his hand.

>>149153138
Now there's a way to tie the useless doppelganger Aquamen together!

>>149149320
His name is fucking Osgood?

>>149152957
The Clock, the Spider and the Crimson Avenger are all, at different times, credited as being the first masked superhero/mystery man. None are mentioned here. Idk what 'team' you think you're talking about.

>>149149979
>>that weird ancient Justice League with Black Adam, Hippolytta and Swamp Thing not mentioned
It's so funny how the Black Adam movie flubbed so hard, they're trying to memoryhole every single event promoting him since his movie was announced.

>>149153359
There's also that weird Obsidian Age JLA from 3000 BC that got forgotten.

>>149149349
I'm glad that Occult is getting more love

>>149149276
>>149149279
Synnar the Demiurge did that.

>>149153168
To be fair, he and rRose Psychic were born in 1899 in the countryside.
And we never knew Occult and Rose’s birth names.

>>149153254
It says here now that Richard Occult dawning a costume is considered the first superhero now before any of them.

>>149153407
As well as the Leymen. We got a bunch of fake mystic 'teams' instead.
In fact, everything about Dr Mist was forgotten. His civilization of Kor was contemporary with Atlantis and came from the same precursor civilization.

>>149153460
That's been said before, too. However, all of his 'costumed' adventures were secret mystic affairs, so he was never known publicly as such and is not officially recognized. The Justice League even has a swearing-in ritual over the cloak of the Crimson Avenger as the recognized first costumed superhero.

>>149150629
Kirby's original original idea for the New Gods is that the Old Gods were explicitly suppose to be the Norse and Greek Gods (you can even see someone with Thor's helmet in the splash page for New Gods #1).
Once he brought the concept to DC, they just became nondescript "Old Gods" until they got named, because the Greek Gods were very obviously still around for Wonder Woman.

>>149149270 (OP)
>New history of DC
>All throwback boomer art and references
kek.

>>149149297
>Jebediah of Canaan is now officially retconned as never existing

I hate this.

>>149153254
Speaking of Spider, he's still in continuity but i have no idea which issue has his involvement

>No Captain Triumph
What the fuck, Waid?

>>149153687
M'Nagalah didn't even rate a mention baka

>>149149372
I'm glad they finally decided that Hellblazer was definitively canon. Iirc, New 52/Rebirth John remembered his Vertigo history a while back and had a bit of a schizo moment.

>>149153254
>The Clock
Holy shit, I'm surprised that ever since DC bought Quality Comics, there's been zero mention of him anywhere in continuity. The only thing he has is a brief mention in Shade's diary and that was Pre-New 52.

>>149149376
GAY GHOST MENTIONED

>>149152382
They're pulling the technicality that Dr. Occult was printed first and wore a costume at some point, so they're using that as excuse to make his the first.

At least Crimson Avenger shows up as a member of the OC Seven Soldiers of Victory, but its in his stupid superhero outfit and not his original mystery man one.

>>149149337
I mean, it's only the coolest and most interesting Wonder Woman and her supporting cast and villains have been since Perez or so, and more than anything after.

Of course it can't stay canon.

>>149149330
>DC obviously yearns to make a new Teen Titans book
>Can't because they're too scared to just let the OG Titans be the Justice League and didn't bother to make any new teen heroes for the last 20 years outside of Blue Beetle

>>149152641
The demon knights Ystina mentioned being thousands of years old as well.
>>149153025
The Anti Monitor was replacing the original hand at this point.

>>149153735
Dr Occult was also a Seigel & Schuster creation, so it's a technical nod to Superman as well. Doesn't explain or permit omitting the other previously recognized in continuity first characters.

>>149153734
What's really funny is they don't bold anything there and never mention him by "Gay Ghost" at all kek

>>149153753
Yeah, we're probably still stuck with NuSilver Swan and other weird changes.

>>149153753
It was ass

>>149153830
No, it was Azz

>>149149276
He skipped the Source emerging from the Great Darkness, that's been referenced as recently as the current New Gods run.

>>149149276
>Perpetua
Fuck that bitch

Nothing about Hero Dials and their origin from either the N52 or the 2019 runs? The only thing related to that was a brief mention of 2003 run

>>149150963
nigga what? have you been living under a rock?

>>149149389
Weird to think that Superman is technically old as shit, he just didn't age until he was on Earth

>>149149765
He's mentioned in the notes

>>149153509
Weren't the Laymen just supposed to be the Post-Crisis Global Guardians?

>>149151016
>uh oh
They already took the piss out Haunted Tank back in the 2000s. Sgt Stuart's grandson was 3/4th black and served in the Iraq War, which mad both him AND Ghost Stuart super uncomfortable.

>>149152534
THANK YOU
Glad somebody else remembers Mark Merlin.

>>149154002
No? Where tf would you even pull that from?
The Leymen are a group of mystics gathered by Nommo/Maltis/Dr Mist in various times to observe and protect the world. They have no relation to the UN organisation Global Guardians.

How many retcons did Waid do?

>>149154075
Somewhere between too many and not enough

>>149154075
I call them 'flubs', as they're not story beats and rely on unreliable single character info-dumping, not even narration.

>>149151138
That makes the Doom Patrol even darker. It's not JUST that the Chief ruined their lives on purpose. THE GOVERNMENT PAID HIM TO DO IT.

>>149154125
The Kupperberg/Larsen DP already made it clear Niles was working for the government all along.

>>149149410
Did Hellblazer Dead in America's last issue come out before or after that? Because Dream is in it.

Surely it was written before, tho.

>>149149276
>the Endless
>but forget their parents Mother Night and Father Time

>>149154106
I mean, he's clearly trying to just do in four issues what the original History of the DC Universe did in two, but a genuine ACTUAL History that spruces up continuity while acknowledging all possible connections would take several hundred pages with footnotes.

The REAL Demon Souls is going to be how they handle each Crisis and New 52. We've all been more or less in agreement with "Creation -> The Guardians of the Universe -> Atlantis -> Wild West -> Mystery Men -> JSA/All Star Squardon -> JSA disbands -> Weird Ages -> Justice League", so everything after that is going to be where people will have the most arguments.

>>149149282
The Controllers classically are solo actors. They each individually develop weaponry to control against entropy, then get together in consortium once every millennium to compare notes and do demicosmic peer review. It was a single Controller named Jedah who created the Darkstars.
Waid used to know this when he created Know Man. Very ironic.

>>149153687
Does this mean the Aboriginal Wizard is the father of Lady Blaze and Satanis?

>>149153557
Looks like Barry Allen doesn’t agree with you.

>>149154245
I don't really care rn, given all the blatant errors in the first issue. It's not even a story, just an improbable infodump from a character who has no relationship with any of this information. It's all highly discountable imho.

>>149154277
I have a feeling that anything old Shazam did is going to be shuffled onto The Wiz's other Eternity buddies.

>>149154290
Barry Allen has no relationship with this information, so his interpretation is pretty meaningless.

>>149150476
>with John Constantine being fucking dead now.
He literally escapes Death at the end of it. Sure it's intentionally ambiguous ("How do you confuse an anxious reader?"), but it's clearly meant to leave the door open for John to pop up alive again.

Not that it matters, since this isn't actually John.
It's not John from the old Hellblazer, and it's not the "Slightly Sleazy Dr Strange" John from the DC magic team books.
He's the John from the bad future from the Books of Magic mini, who escaped into the present and somehow absorbed a vague mixture of the "real" Johns' memories.

What pisses me off the most is how messy it is with continuity. it tries to continue the old Hellblazer continuity, but it's not the real John, and the Old John that shows up is also not the Old John from the end of Hellblazer, instead it fakes it out and turns out to be a Tulpa; it also doesn't continue the Books of Magic continuity (because Sandman Universe reboots it from the Mini onwards), which was entangled with the old Hellblazer continuity.

It's all lazy and confusing and deceptive and lacking in commitment.

>>149149330
Todd’s art has gotten a lot better since young justice days (I liked it back then too)
He should get a comic book series already (legion of superheroes)

>>149154303
That’s fine with me.
I want to see more of the three hot women.

Where the fuck is my girl Pandora?!
At least where’s Phantom Stranger?

>>149154015
We also got Jenny Stuart girlbossing in a flying tank in Power Company.

>>149153932
The H Dial is mentioned in the notes pages>>149149370

>>149154562
Yeah that's what I meant by
>The only thing related to that was a brief mention of 2003 run
The N52 and 2019 runs had lore and ancient time history attached to them as well (though I'd rather have the 2019 run decanonized, it was kinda ass)

>>149153687
>>149153687
He might be a thing on earth 5

>>149151481
>There was one anon who put together a storytime made up of different pages of the entire DC history
Link?

>>149149349
Cool that they remembered Scott isn't the first Mr. Miracle.

>>149149270 (OP)
It's a fool's errand to compile this shit.

I don't know what's more autistic: Waid doing an entire book to create his own new and totally true (until the next retcon in six months) history of the DCU or the retards sperging out ITT because this new canon contradicts all the pieces of contradictory old canon.

>Anons shocked that Sandman is part of DC history or that he's related to Wesley
>Anons speculating whether Wildstorm will make it in, unaware that Demon Knights already IS Wildstorm
>Anons doing Pikachu faces at Icon being a part of Prime Earth like he's been for over a decade
>Anons being outraged at changes that have been in place since New Earth in the 90s like the New Gods being old
>Anons thinking the OG Suicide Squad was a New Frontier Invention
>90% of the bitching is addressed in the notes they can't read
This comic is casting pearls before swines.

>>149154628
FOUND IT:
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/115781149/#115781149

https://imgur.com/gallery/dc-multiverse-secret-origins-DsqV9

>>149153969
Yep, I guess we're supposed to believe "Adam" came and went, and nobody has a clue why.

>>149154671
I mean having Barry state in the first page that this is all from his POV trying to order the constantly reset timelines into a single narrative seems like an intentional attempt to avoid the inflexible canon approach.

>>149154630
Gay they try to make him some sort of mystic superhero, though. Also depicting him as old AF when he should be very young.

>>149154717
Demon Knights is NOT WildStorm.
You are the uncultured swine.

>>149150719
Probably a nod to those Byrne stories that had the new gods be a few millenia old. The current New Gods run has element X being discovered by Himon in the ruins of the third world billions of years ago.

>>149154854
>it's not Wildstorm! Al Jabr is just the first Engineer, the Shadow Lords created Stormwatch, it shows Camelot falling because of Daemonites, Daemonites steal the Holy Grail and kill Merlin, and Marlin names the team "the first Stormwatch"!
Kill yourself.

>>149154717
I'm surprised about Icon because somewhat recently, DC put all the Milestone characters in their own new separate universe, Earth M.
It seemed like this meant they weren't part of Earth 0, guess not.

>>149154908
Icon was in Beast World, try reading comics.

>>149154885
None of which is WildStorm and in fact actively contradicts and damages it, thanks for playing.
Now kindly take your own advice.

>>149151377
Have you not see his new book that's been coming out?

>>149154959
>Engineers, Stormwatch and Daemonites are not Wildstorm

>>149154920
What issue? I mostly avoided that event cause it didn't really seem interesting to me.
I read comics man, just don't expect me to read everything, specially Tom Taylor events.

>>149154908
Milestone Reborn also showed the Milestone universe was saved and detached from the DC universe.
>>149154920
>was in
Shut your faggot mouth, wiki skimmer.

>>149154971
Not in Demon Knights, an entirely DC universe product.
And you will have no argument that connects it as such. Now kill yourself.

>>149154717
The nu52 lineup of Demon Knights, with several characters created after the takeover by DC, is WildStorm?
Maybe on Earth-Retard (your home universe)

>>149154305
>>149154295
Barry's literally finishing the project he and Wally were assigned back at the end of Dark Metal. They were suppose to map how continuity had fixed itself.

>>149154994
What's your problem?

>>149154908
The fuck is that art

>>149155042
There have been like 3+ Multiversal tweaks since then

>>149155024
>>149155025
The casuals ITT were speculating as to whether Wildstorm IPs would get merged into the DC timeline at all. If they read Demon Knights (a series about Engineers and Daemonites and Stormwatch), they would know this issue already confirmed it, ergo they are casuals.

>>149155042
Sure, but he has no relationship to any knowledge concerning the Endless, the Silver City, the origins of literally anything, the history of Atlantis, etc etc. He's an unreliable info-dumper, not even a narrator.

>>149155072
You're the casual just lapping up words with no understanding of meaning and no argument. Go back to skimming your wikis, faggot troll.

>>149155065
That's why it took his ass so long to finally write it down.

Joking aside, they've been needing to do a new History of the DCU for a while now, because people are still uncertain as to how New 52's continuity fits into everything. Hell, people still think that Convergence is what created to new Multi-Multiverse instead of the current main 52 Earths now being the homes of distinct previous continuities. The only problem is that we live in the Event Age of Comics, so this will definitely all be pointless this time next year.

>>149155093
>You're wrong because you're stinky
Wow.

>>149154908
>Icon's cape isn't green
No sir, I don't like it.

>>149155072
>Ystin, originally from near caveman days as one of the first Human civilizations, is retconned to be a contemporary of Justin
>but all the WS elements that weren't shown totally didn't get retconned bro!
You're either delusional or retarded, take your pick.

>>149155112
>admits he smells like shit
You really felt called out, huh?

>>149155053
I don't think this really counts.

>>149151807
>>149153594
You took the question literally and not the "in this context" part.
The point is that something that was supposed to join different elements together brought an unrelated thing out of nowhere.

>>149155142
Ystin was nowhere near 'caveman days'.

>>149155142
Al Jabr was shown. Did you even read the story time ITT?

>>149155196
>an entirely DC character was SHOWN...
Well, holy shit

>>149155211
>No Wildstorm elements were shown!
>An Engineer was shown
Guys will Wildstorm make it in?? We just don't know...

>>149154420
>Where the fuck is my girl Pandora?!
I can only presume that this is how Barry understands how the current continuity works as it does in this new reality amidst the multiple reboots triggered by the crises they keep having.

>>149155238
Or you could read the notes where Pandora is mentioned

>>149155245
Reading is for nerds, I just wanna look at the pictures!

>>149155225
DC character called Engineer completely unrelated to anything WildStorm.
You are plainly retarded, wiki troll. Now fuck off and kill yourself.

>>149155260
The character is called Al Jabr, kid. His role in the team is being the first of the line of The Engineers that lead to Spica. Why do you keep calling me a wiki kid?

>>149155178
Sorry, Socretes.
Barry makes a point to specify that the planet is Urgrund so that you know the name of the planet the New God's planets came from. Otherwise, if you just say "their world", it can be misinterpreted into any number of things.
Were they the Old Gods of Oa? Earth? Of the Controllers? The Zamorans?

>>149155256
t. Rob Liefeld's Image Comics output fan

>>149155313
"Yes."

>>149155074
Maybe he interviewed Tim Hunter, or asked Phantom Stranger to give him the tour

Speaking of which, where's Phantom Stranger in all this?

>>149155275
Because you obviously don't read WildStorm or know it from the hole in your ass. If you did, you wouldn't be confusing the Engineer with the line of Doctors. The original Engineer was part of the High's Changers and created the nano garden that Angelica used to create her suit. It's not a 'line' like the Doctors. And Al Jabr is strictly a DC creation.
Now fuck off and kill yourself.

>>149155352
You must be retarded. The conversation isn't about whether they're merging the OG Wildstorm canon, that's gone, buddy. The question anons were asking ITT was whether the new DCU timeline would incorporate Wildstorm IPs, which inherently includes adaptation. And the question doesn't make sense, because the mention of the Demon Knights already demostrates Wildstorm made it in.
I've read every Wildstorm comic, btw. Pic related, chart I made.

>>149155352
>>149155382
You both are wrong and gay

>>149155382
Nta but it could be more related to what >>149155238 claimed where Barry is interpreting continuity as it currently stands in the new universe. Maybe the crises aren't supposed to be part of that because it would require outside understanding of how all continuities integrate with each other from the very beginning.

>>149155428
The closest we have to that is probably the Metaverse from Doomsday Clock, but even then, it only focuses on Superman's history and not a total and complete timeline of every single point across DC's history, including the reboots, up to that point.

For that, you'd probably have to start from the original setting until you reach Crisis on Infinite Earths, reset again with the new setting, and do that for each crisis or reboot or change to Hypertime or whatever. It'd be way too big of a mess to properly do them.

>>149155382
If it wasn't published under the WildStorm logo, it's not WildStorm, period. AlJabr and Demon Knights are purely DC and bear no relation to WildStorm (which is not gone, chum, only resting). And your chart is gay. Kill yourself.

>>149149979
Great Darkness and Presence are not mentioned. No Dark Multiverse and two sides of Magic mentioned. Krona completely absent. The other Monitors are not mentioned either.

Endless and Lucifer finally mentioned and seemingly relevant to the mainstream cosmology though.

>>149155179
The visitation of the New Gods that culminates with the creation of Aurakles is 40,000 BC

>>149155613
>>149155179
40,000 BC - 30,000 years = 10,000 BC for her Camelot, which is roughly 11,000 years before Justin. She was contemporaneous with neolithic cultures AKA cavemen.

>>149155460
This entire argument could have been avoided if you said "I don't recognize anything that DC did with the Wildstorm characters or their continuity after Wildstorm was purchased by DC." from the start.

You're both correct in that, within DC continuity, the Demon Knights were the original Storm Watch team, with Daemonites being an age-old threat on Earth, but this is NOT the case in Wildstorm's original continuity.

Not either of the arguing anons. When I was wondering about Wildstorm being included, I meant the events of the original Wildstorm books, not the new lore that was established when Wildstorm characters were fused into DC history.
What I mean, how do the events of Captain Atom Armageddon make sense in the current continuity if Apollo and Midnighter and others have always been the natives of the main DC universe? Does the original Wildstorm universe even exist still? Are the W.I.L.D.cats and Stormwatch and other guys who fuck around in DC nowadays the original guys who were in-universe retroactively integrated into the story or are they completely new beings who exist separately?

>>149154774
This reminds me of the guy who set out to specify when the "Original Marvel Universe" stopped being printed.

>>149155601
>Krona completely absent
Read the notes
>Endless and Lucifer finally mentioned and seemingly relevant to the mainstream cosmology though
It only happens every couple years!

>>149155797
>Read the notes
READING
IS
FOR
NERDS
NOW GET BACK IN THAT LOCKER!

>>149155735
Wildstorm's continuity is much like the continuities of Charlton, All-American Comics, and Quality Comics. That is to say, their characters were fully merged into DC, so they no longer HAVE separate continuities. They don't even get the courtesy of having their original continuity live on in another Earth like Fawcett does with Earth 5.

>>149155942
>so they no longer HAVE separate continuities
And yet Convergence showed characters from original Wildstorm continuity among Brainiac's captives. And for a more recent example, as non-canon as it is since it was a Black Lable book, refuges from original Wildstorm continuity appeared in Lobo vs Superman. So it's not like DC buried the idea of a separate continuity entirely. Especially now that the multiverse isn't capped at 52 it can still plausibly be out there somewhere.

>>149149282
That's a succinct way of saying the Manhunters when a spree of galactic genocide

>>149156039
Convergence also had the pre-New 52 continuity going on like nothing had happened, too. There's one random Rip Hunter comic that explains that, if you go back in time at the right angle, all other continuities still exist.

Then again, DC acted like Convergence never happened and no-one seems to get what the ending meant by "The Multiverse was saved".

>>149156114
Maybe it wasn't that bad this time around?

>>149155817
But I already shoved you in that locker. You want to get a wedgie too?

>>149156162
Atrocitus' backstory should still be canon, so that's doubtful

>>149156144
>DC acted like Convergence never happened
Yeah if you ignore every reference to the events and characters that pop up in Young Justice, Challenge of the Super Sons, Infinite Frontier, Flashpoint Beyond, Green Arrow and Action Comics

>>149149337
it's been 10 years, the only thing bringing it up is your own butthurt

>>149156172
Your mom does

>>149151102
they give no explanation to the weird changes
Hippolyta just decided to be Wonder Woman and it has no effect on Diana becoming Wonder Woman I guess

>>149156203
Those series you mentioned got released around 5 years later, some of which after at least two other continuity spruce ups, which typically are treated as to why those changed happened.

>>149149270 (OP)
ngl a history of he whole DCU's nice, but what we really need is an encyclopedia-type book detailing every event/character in chronological order

(and just to keep things clean,, base each book around the 7 JLA founding members)

>>149156144
>hen again, DC acted like Convergence never happened
ehhh...
Convergence is basically the whole reason why post-crisis Superman, Lois and Jon came back to continuity. Parallax Hal's appearance when he faced Renegade Hal also stemmed directly from Convergence. No clue where Barry and pre-crisis Supergirl ended up afterwards tho.
There was also that very short Telos book.

>>149149279
Huh. Definitively stating a Spectre origin? Bold.

>>149149349
I fucking love this iteration of JL Dark. I would read stories vote Zatara and BB busting fool’s heads open.

>>149155601
>Endless and Lucifer finally mentioned and seemingly relevant to the mainstream cosmology though.
Dream had a role in Metal and Lucifer had a cameo in Dark Crisis as an avatar of the great darkness.
>Presence and Great Darkness
The Presence and the Source are interchangeable these days. The Great Darkness but like the Marvel one this one covers the events since the universe began, not before. So no TOAA/TOBA, first firmament, Taa, or in DC's side the Great Darkness and the Morrisonian origin of stories and the monitors.
>Krona
That's an actual big absence

>>149149315
Milestone confirmed as part of the DCU.
This should be a bigger deal.

>>149155601
>No Dark Multiverse
Implicit in the world forger being entrusted the realm of dark matter

>>149156777
Yeah, we urgently need to figure out how to make it separate.

>>149150963
it's extremely easy to make Diana be Wonder Woman in WWII and contemporary (if that's really necessary) and also have Steve exist during both eras (one of the reasons people bring up having her in WWII is a bad idea is because she would her supporting cast later)
Steve ends up in dinosaur island or something, Diana goes back to Themyscira.

>>149156951
*she would lose her supporting cast

>>149149304
Exoristos my Beloved, you'll never be forgotten

bump

>>149156777
>what's been true since 2012 should be a bigger deal
Or maybe people read comics since 2012.

>>149158366
It was explicitly not true since Milestone Reborn rescued and separated Milestone from DC again, non-reader.

>>149156777
Icon was already part of Prime Earth in New 52's Static run

>>149156749
Krona will be mentioned in Part 2, Barry will Acknowledge JLA Avengers as the "main point" where Krona shows up in both universes.

Has Waid said if it’ll go into the future or will it stop at the “present”? Barry has Legion rings on that first page that I’m assuming are Dawn and Dons but who knows.

Also, i like the artists, but the history loses a lot with Javier Rodriguez not doing his thing

It’s darkly funny how they’re just like fuck you Gaiman, Sandman’s ours

>>149149285

How did he mention Scott and Orion and not The Pact?!?

>>149149320

Dr Occult being the first canon superhero of the 20th century feels like a reference I don’t get

>>149159396
According to other replies here seems to be a homage to Siegel and Shuster, which the art would indicate in that page

>>149149330

Oh man I need the series about time displaced Green Arrow.

>>149159396
Doc. Savage doesnt count as a Superhero

>>149151138

Captain Atom too, his post crisis origin fits right in. I’m actually surprised Eiling wasn’t in that group in this issue

>>149159396
In canon, he was published first before Superman was so for all of the hype around Superman being “the first” of the superheroes, Dr. Occult takes it only by sheer technicality of publishing date.

>>149149320
I just don't think he counts as the first superhero, mainly because of what we "expect" a superhero to be nowadays.
Like, come on, he's not even wearing a costume!

>>149159690
That's the point, he wore a costume initially.

>>149159396
He debuted before Superman did, and only because he had worn a costume once very briefly which made him the first superhero by technicality

There’s also a bunch of other characters that debuted before Superman did and Imm a little surprised so e of them weren’t referenced or mentioned here: https://www.dc.com/blog/2021/09/07/early-inspirations-five-dc-characters-who-debuted-before-superman

>>149159717
He did? They should've shown that!
>>149159762
Uhhh... I now get why they didn't show this...
Still, they should've shown it, for accuracy if nothing else, just showing him in his trench coat can make people like me assume that he was just another pulp type of hero instead of the first example of what we consider a modern superhero today.

>>149149318
YEE HAW!
Also hey, Golden Arrow mentioned!

>>149149376
>no mention of Sandra of the Secret Service
DROPPED

>>149153448
>he and Rose Psychic
Are they siblings?

>>149149324
>Dan Garrett, wielding the scarab of Kha-ef-re
And a gun too apparently.

>no mention of Red Bee
this is GLORPSHIT

>no Clock
>no Sandra of the Secret Service
>no Captain Triumph
>no Red Bee
>Rex Cosmos
>and no Spike fucking Spalding
Waid’s a hack

>>149149372
Ayyy Azraels mentioned!

>>149149376
I'm glad they're reestablishing J'onn's old lore instead of the New 52 stuff.

>>149160122
Kinda hilarious how we don’t have any mention of either Clock, Captain Triumph, or Sandra of the Secret Service but the fucking Gay Ghost gets to be in here lmao

>>149159128
Which would be pure bullshit, as JLA/Avengers uses Krona right after the Trinity crossover, explicitly uses his Entropy name and form from that story, and fully acknowledges it as the precursor to JLA/Avengers.

>>149159901
Orphans 'adopted' by the mystical Seven. They're frequently romantically linked, despite their condition, so hopefully nobody goes there.

>>149159998
>>149160122
Hold your horses buckos, actually reading through the whole thing would make you realize Red Bee gets a mention right here >>149149379

>>149160122
He conspicuously didn't touch anything without a cape, it seems. So much for that promotional art with all the forties characters.

>>149160122
The absence of Binky and co is quite conspicuous.

>>149149376
>Keith Everet is shot
>>149149384
>Keith Everet returns as the GRIM Ghost
Holy revisionism

>>149149270 (OP)
i will read it tomorrow, thanks anon, is this just a fun standalone special edition?

>>149160355
This is a 4 issue mini.
I honestly wish they could've made 6 issues at least, but oh well.

>>149160371
cool. the thread will probably be archived when i read it but thank you again, it's just like last week in the trinity daugther of wonder woman thread, it was a fund read

>>149160181
And it needs to be since trinity will be mentioned too.
Remember that this crossover is still canon.

>>149160371
>This is a 4 issue mini.
…they’re going to cover the Crises, aren’t they?

>>149160432
I mean, why wouldn't they? They are in fact part of DC's history.

>>149160432
I hope we get a page for every event crossover.

>>149159762
Finished the whole thing, Sandra of the Secret Service and Speed Saunders were the only ones who didn't get mentioned.
Jack Woods is here >>149149318
Doctor Occult is here >>149149320
And Slam Bradley gets a short mention at the very end >>149149389

>>149160503
Actually, Speed was mentioned. It was only Sandra who didn’t get mentioned at all.

>>149160541
Where? I must've missed him, I kinda speed read through the last pages.

Did your favorite Glup Shitto make it in?

>>149160541
>It was only Sandra who didn’t get mentioned at all.
That's how Secret her Service was!

>>149160541
It’s not like Barry knows who she is.

>>149149356
>Martian Manhunter is teleported from Mars
>Krypton explodes
>>149149376
>they elaborate on how Ma'alefa'ak destroyed the Martian society
>>149149389
>Krypton just explodes
I know next book will probably cover it in good detail, but I wonder what Waid will use as the explanation for the planet exploding.
Imagine he fucking uses Rogol Zaar

Doesn't this just make it harder to write new characters into the comic universe? What's the point of this? I'm autistic so I understand wanting to make a cohesive chronology of events but even this seems too autistic to me. Is this just for dweebs to push their glasses up and go "eeerm, ackchually, superdookieman fought captain burgerstan and the green gizzard in the paradox of time and was transported to the beginning of time where he fucked the concept of fate and then blew the entire universe out of his ass creating the new crusaders!" It just seems like a waste of time to me.

>>149160547
He was brought up here
>>149149376

>>149149349
Putting dark at the end of the team name is still stupid

>>149160681
These are only narrated by Barry Allen and what he knows.
Barry doesn’t know everything.
Writers can still introduce new characters and concepts from the past.

>>149160681
Well, Barry Allen is the one cataloguing his own personal experience traveling through time, he lacks the background knowledge and context behind some of the other events.

Also he left out some characters a bunch of anons have mentioned so he’s not exactly going to be perfectly archiving every single person, if any, it just leaves the door open for others to fit their own characters and stories right in the timeline, just that certain events can’t be retconned out without either editorial mandate or through the next reboot of their continuity.

I don't see why the entire dcu should be beholdended to gaimans nonsense

>>149160963
It’s not. If it were, Barry would’ve mentioned the Endless’ parents like Mother Night and Father Time.

>>149160686
Nice catch, I didn't see it at first.

>>149160605
Oh yeah, how does Barry even know most of this shit?
>>149160706
Just be glad Teen Titans Dark never ended up happening.

>>149160681
You're just not a history type of autist, it's okay.
>>149160681
>eeerm, ackchually, superdookieman fought captain burgerstan and the green gizzard in the paradox of time and was transported to the beginning of time where he fucked the concept of fate and then blew the entire universe out of his ass creating the new crusaders!
You saying that like it's a bad thing only proves my point further, this is fun actually.

>>149149270 (OP)
What's the point of this when someone is just going to retcon it within the year?

>>149160681
>It just seems like a waste of time to me.
History is never a waste of time, at least for people who are into that kind of stuff.

>>149161131
What's the point of anything? It's just interesting to read right now.
I know it probably won't stay accurate, but I don't mind, DC has done many "definitive" histories before, and I actually like how they all kinda represent the time period they were made in.
DC's constantly changing history is actually a feature, not a bug, look forward to The Newer History of the DC Universe in 2032.

>>149156323
DC has done many Encyclopedia style books where they all try to catalogue every character they have, but they all end up being more products of their times than these ones about their history, mainly because how the characters change when they get rebooted, so DC is constantly ignoring or acknowledging random stuff.

>>149160346
>The Ghost was never Gay

>>149152735
we can have a crossover event without them being in the same universe anon, god knows DC is trigger-happy with multiversal stories every single year now

>>149149273
reading

>>149160432
why was that ever in doubt?

>>149162023
Mostly because of the lack of any concrete confirmation of any of the original origins of the multiverse without Snyder’s shit clinging to it

>>149153709
>New 52/Rebirth John remembered his Vertigo history a while back and had a bit of a schizo moment.

When did this happen?

>>149154178
It was so weirdly hostile to Dream himself, it sure felt like it was written (or re-written) after the scandal broke. Spurrier is a noted male feminist after all.

>>149149276
I thought Snyder established that the big blue hands were Perpetua's hands

>>149153428
No one wants to bother with Starlin's latest Thanos expy, in his latest Guardians Expy book. It was all crap anyway.

>>149154717
>>Anons shocked that Sandman is part of DC history or that he's related to Wesley

Anyone who actually read Sandman knew it was meant to be a DCU book. It was DC itself that pretended otherwise for the longest time.

>>149149279
>>149149280
They forgot about Nekron being the living embodiment of the darkness before the big bang.

>>149149309
Ram V's Orghams being Ra's Masters before. One good thing Waid is doing here, wiping them from memory before that book is cold.

>>149149273
Somehow Barry owns Irving Forbush's helmet.

>>149149297
I was kind of hoping they would reference how there were a lot of superheroes and villains in Egypt around the time of Khufu.

They had a Hawkman, Hawkwoman, Black Adam, Metamorpho, Dr Fate, and a Blue Beetle.

>>149149326
Nah, they were changed to angels sent to kill off all mortals that were reincarnated as Thanagarians in the last Hawkman book around 2019.

>>149149315
I thought Max was retconned out of existence about a decade ago

>>149149577
It's kind of difficult to omit Death Metal and Sandman after Dream (David Hall) made an appearance in that story.

I'm guessing that the next issue will detail the Crises.

>>149162628
Anon when was the last time you read a comic?

>>149149979
>Krona accidentally creating entropy in the universe
>The darkness before the big bang gained sentience after the big bang and formed into Nekron
>Original Monitor/Antimonitor wars
>The White entity forming all life in the universe and then settling on Earth,
>The emotional entities forming shorty after life started evolving
>Kryptonian wars of conquest taking over Thanagar, Colu, and a few other major worlds before the Guardians sent them back to Krypton
>Martians also being split in half by the Guardians
>Martians removing ancient humanity's capacity to eventually become like Kryptonians
>Martians splitting into more offshoots on Saturn before almost going extinct on Mars
>Despair being killed/Delight becoming Delusion
>Destruction quitting and kicking off the technological age

>>149154717
>Anons speculating whether Wildstorm will make it in, unaware that Demon Knights already IS Wildstorm
what a funny way to tell on your own self-righteous stupidity

>>149154717
>Anons doing Pikachu faces at Icon being a part of Prime Earth like he's been for over a decade
It was widely announced that Milestone characters wouldn't appear outside the Dakotaverse after the Milestone Returns relaunch. Casual.

>>149149279
Uh, did they just completely retcon the Lords of Order and Chaos’ backstory in JLD? Imposter human sorcerers.

>>149163246
>It was widely announced that Milestone characters wouldn't appear outside the Dakotaverse after the Milestone Returns relaunch. Casual.
they obviously changed their mind about that and/or were lying when they said that

>>149163430
>they obviously changed their mind
Probably this, because let's be real, most people don't give a shit about the Milestone universe on its own and would rather see it as part of the larger DC universe.

>>149163430
exactly, so readers being surprised at them not sticking to their word is perfectly fine, so I dont understand why the greentext fag considers it some gotcha against casuals

As someone who is a neophyte when it comes to DC's old stories outside of the big ones I get the feeling that a bunch of their 70s era magic and fantasy was taken straight from Moorcock with all the Chaos vs Order going on.

>>149162516
V tec run didn't really work in the ongoing continuity at the time anyway, just treat it as its own closed-off story

>>149163500
Moorcock had a lot of imitators and copycats, most famous of them being Witcher

>>149162840
This thread?

>>149163812
Warhammer's Moorcock connections are probably more well-known than The Witchers at this point unless you're Polish.

>>149163843
not really, Warhammer is the bigger franchise sure but Witcher's reputation as blatantly lifting stuff from Moorcock is more known

>>149163855
I disagree here, outside of Gerelt himself being an Elric expy, I don't think most people would be able to say what the Moorcock inspirations are in Wticher, whereas Warhammer has Chaos being the main badguy in all its settings and several Elric expys per setting and is just more blatant in's use of Moorcock's ideas

>>149163978
Geralt isn't even a Elric expy. They have white hair and they consume magic potions, that's where their likeness begins and ends.

Geralt fucks, Elric is borderline autistic. Geralt is buff, Elric is a skeleton. Elric has a demon sword with which he needs to kill and steal souls to survive, Geralt has two "normal" swords (one steel and one silver) and can survive just fine with just food and water.

History bump

>>149149273
thanks for your work.

>>149149270 (OP)
variant covers
New History of the DC Universe #1 Cover B Dan Mora Variant
New History of the DC Universe #1 Cover C Ryan Sook Variant
New History of the DC Universe #1 Cover D Scott Koblish Legacy Connecting Variant
New History of the DC Universe #1 Cover E Ryan Sook Foil Variant
New History of the DC Universe #1 Cover F Stanley 'Artgerm' Lau Foil Virgin Variant
New History of the DC Universe #1 Cover G Blank Variant
New History of the DC Universe #1 Cover H 1:25 Michael Cho Variant

>>149160963
It's all nonsense.

>>149166275
>triptych includes Milestone and Watchmen, trying to cram as much of each as possible
>not even a single WildStorm rep
>on ANY cover
WildStorm bros... can w get our universe back?

>>149167014
>WildStorm
that boat already sail in late 2000s with all those miniseries, then it crashed with new52 wildstorm titles.

late 2000s and early 2010s was a mess for wilstorm and that last tille from 2019-2020 was even worse.

>>149167049
>posting WEAKstorm
I said WILDStorm, pussy.

>>149166275
the four on bottom right, which artist is that?

>>149167181
dan mora

>>149149279
>the Lilim get shafted again
Mazikeenbros... our queen gets no respect...

>>149163817
You think you are smart, don't you?

>>149149318

Jack Woods is like arguably the oldest DC character or something right?

>>149149356
That group of men together cannot possibly result in something safe happening.

>>149160963
I'm surprised they kept it and didn't bury everything Sandman after Gaiman was cancelled.

>>149149276
>Perpetua is still canon
Oh fuck OFF.

>>149163662
Or just ignore it was ever published at all because Ram has never written a good comic in his career.

>>149160605
Oh, but he knows everything else?

>>149149356

Stagg being here is interesting bc he’s not a scientist

>>149170285
He dabbles a bit, but I assume he's mainly there for his money.

Waid is retconning the history for current purposes, anons, so obviously he knows there are changes being made from what used to be canonical. Which is fair, since it's already been changed multiple times over the decades. This is also going to be retconned later too.

>>149170285
Archeology is a science, anon.

>>149163500
The 70's were all Zatanna and Phantom Stranger, with Magic Wars in the 30th century. It isn't until the 80's that the Order vs Chaos narrative sets in.

>>149150642
>Mamaragan still brown
blame cereal lord and blame waid for being enough of a butt buddy to johns to continue with this
also, Daily Reminder:

/co is healing

>>149167014
Yeah why hasn’t Waid acknowledged any WildStorm stuff here?

>>149154774
thanks for this as well, interesting except for including (even if minor) Snyder's fan fic (metalwank)

Some Hawk superfan found out Waid used a fucking weebly site for the Hawk lore and got a lot of shit wrong

>>149173727
I know exactly who you're talking about, there aren't many Hawk fans out there, but I'm glad there are some very autistic ones out there.

>>149173875
It always surprises me a bit learning they're not these 30-50 year old cranks
They're teens and young adults younger than me

>>149174148
You'd be surprised how many young people are actually into old comics and characters.

>>149149588
Is this true?

>>149175161
and yet it's not enough of them

>>149175636
comic twitter is simultaneously better and worse than /co/ when it comes to comic discussion for reasons you wouldn't expect

>>149149282
>Vuldarians left out
Guy gets no respect.

>>149149293
Why is Anthro white

>>149175645
I feel like the biggest flaw about comic twitter (or comic tiktok for the matter) is the performative shit about being avid readers but only reading a handful of issues or having the wrong headcanons stemming from stupidly written books (Tower of Babel comes to mind). of course this isn't a rarity on /co/ but it's worse there

>>149176231
he looks brown to me

>>149173727
what a schizo legend

>>149149298
>Hawkman isn’t entirely blacked.

Comics is saved.

>>149178392
Don’t worry.
Hawkwoman will be properly blacked by John Stewart.

>>149176344
the problem with comic twitter is that too many people will easily lie and upvote nonsense because they have axes to grind or their own agenda, and not even sincere about it, or even because they would say profit from it, but just for the LOLZ in some cases

no clue or care about comic tiktok since my balls have actually dropped

>>149151481
>one anon who put together a storytime made up of different pages of the entire DC history
I just downloaded the IMGUR files since they are high res and zipped it up and read it.
The problem is that it's not an "entire" history of DC, but rather a start to finish of cosmic existence, that touches in part on some aspects of the DCU History (e.g. Earth One, Earth Two, COIE, etc. etc.) - there's a lot of history missing, it's not even really macro history and it's certainly not micro history (not that Waid's does any better.

>>149149270 (OP)
Needs to be longer than four issues. This is highlights. Ken Burns would consider it vastly incomplete, under-researched and essentially a highlights reel.

But thanks for doing the leg work of the storytime!

>>149179405
It should be six issues and an actual story rather than an awkward info-dump. I know not everything is going to fit in, and that's fine.

>>149179483
>I know not everything is going to fit in, and that's fine
you can think that, but that's the purpose of the comic and it'd just make it useless. being an infodump is exactly what it's intended to be, anything else is a half-measure

>>149179566
Literally every attempt at a History of the DC universe has been incomplete, because said history always has and always will be incomplete. It's the essence of 'to be continued...'
What you're looking for is an encyclopedia, not a comic book.

>>149173727
But why did Waid say >>149149298
Khufu and Chau-Ara were from Thanagar?

>>149179645
He fucked up

>>149149356
WHERES MY DOOM PATROL ONGOING YOU FUCKERS

>>149179483
This

>>149149329
>Golden age WW is Hippolyta
Holy based

>>149172843
Because how do you fit Wildstorm into main continuity?

>>149180455
this isn't new anon

>>149180612
Say the Daimonites and Kherubim Wars in outer space caused some of them to crash land on Earth thousands of years ago.
The government started experimenting on soldiers after Vietnam War, Including Gen 12.

>>149149389
Since fucking when is King Farraday an Argent operative? Pretty sure Argent hasn't been seen or mentioned since their story in Ostrander's Suicide Squad. Farraday was the only agent in Sarge Steel's CBI at the time (as detailed in the 90's Danger Trail mini).

>>149180612
You don't. WildStorm needs to be it's own universe, restored.

Oh hey a storytime of a new comic actually reached bump limit, this doesn't usually happy.

>>149181247
Most comics are thin, hackneyed rags, with the only discussion worthy thing being the last page sting/reveal/cliffhanger.