It's pretty good, actually.

What did you guys think?

>>149153617 (OP)
Highlights
>Legit classic iron man sequences and her flying around in the suit
>Hood and the tease of the big M
>Zeke Stane

Drawbacks
>Everything else

Overall, it'd tell people to watch it but only if they really liked Iron Man.

lmao

I dont like black people therefore its bad

>>149153635
>pretty good
>can only vaguely name two things they liked
I have a feeling it might not be that good anon

>>149153765
Two different people, anon.

>>149153617 (OP)
>4.7 on IMDB
Oh no bros it flopped

"It's nowhere near as bad as She-Hulk" would be the nicest compliment I'm gonna give it.
Interpret that as you will.

>Riri is a very flawed person and I appreciate that when everybody expected her to be perfect.
>Zeke Stane is endearing and more complex than the comics Joker-lite.
>Riri and Zeke have nice chemistry (are they gonna fuck or is she gonna cuck him with her friend’s bland brother?)
>The Hood is interesting and his powers are cool.
>The villains are activists for show and the show calls them out of their hypocrisy, which again I appreciate.
>The CGI is great for a streaming show and I very much appreciate the return of hardware mechanical suits over nanotech.
>Not much action so far, but the little we’ve had was solid.
>The sassy black A.I. is funny at times.

6/10 so far, I expected much worse.

>>149153737
I don’t like black people, therefore it’s hilarious.
>the entire system is rigged in Riri’s favor, and she still screws it up and gets expelled
>she openly calls herself a genius, while making bad calls and stupid mistakes
>she blames disparate resources/opportunities for her lack of success immediately after blowing a full ride scholarship at MIT
>her first resort is joining a group of criminals
>she tells the pathetic white guy that he doesn’t have to work as hard for basic respect after we watch him get trampled over by his neighbor
>black girl breaks into her friend’s deliberately highly secure safe to try on the source of his obvious superpowers for a laugh
>guy gets physical when addressing the major breach of trust, and he’s the only one expected to apologize
YouTube critics are going to make more money from this than Disney is.

>mystery meat with a jheri curl and an evil magic hoodie, the leader
>wop junkie who plays with knives, the number 2
>The Dyke Sisters, the muscle
>the most racist black woman stereotype in fucking decades jesus christ, the demolitions expert
>the black tranny, the hacker
>Eric Andre, the comedic relief

It reads almost like a parody, the only decent scenes in the show feature Han Solo

>>149153635
>>Legit classic iron man sequences and her flying around in the suit
I'm sorry, do you think people 'Liked iron man' because they saw a flying cgi thing go brrrr

There was a bit more to those sequences anon

>>149154582
Some people are simple anon

>>149153832
You guys were review bombing it before episodes even came out.

>>149155116
Damn, if only multi-billion dollar corporations like Disney could enforce review embargos like they do with their own paid shills

>>149155027
Yeah "simple"

>>149154582
I'm well aware but the absolute state of the MCU has me clapping for anything that reminds me of the good old days.

>>149153617 (OP)
I don't think about it

>>149155263
You know you could just go back and watch the good shit, right?
How funny is it that there's now a "zombie MCU" in the same way there's been a "zombie Simpsons" for the past 20+ years

>>149155165
Then you'd cry censorship.

>>149155889
Are you really that bored you needed to necrobump this dogshit thread for a show Disney themselves don't give a shit about?

>>149155967
You're unwell.

>>149156103
And you're necrobumping this dogshit thread about a dogshit show because you don't have real friends to discuss this bullshit with

>>149155967
Are you really that bored you need to-
See? It's that easy.

>>149155967
Are you really that fragile you need to seethe about it?

>>149156163
>you're necrobumping
Why are you in here?

>>149156169
>>149156170
>reply to one marvelsòy
>two marvelsòys pop up
LEL

>>149156192
Thanks for the bump, necrobumper.

>>149156225
I didn't
I sage my posts in threads I don't respect

>>149153617 (OP)
It's OK,
Where it fucks up to me is kind of like Ms Marvel. The lengths they have to go through to rewrite the character to make her fit into the scenario they want is fucking ridiculous. Like wild levels of suspend your disbelief. For me, N.A.T.A.L.I.E carries most of it and even then I think her creation or how Riri interacts with her is dumb as fuck.

>>149153635
>>Hood and the tease of the big M
When was that?

>>149156313
Mephisto has been one of the keys in the keychain the MCU has been dangling for a decade, people are convinced this time is for real because the jheri curl guy has a magic evil poncho

>>149156364
Mephisto is shit anyway.
Give me Dormammu back. I might actually watch your slop that way.

>>149156364
>Mephisto has been one of the keys in the keychain the MCU has been dangling for a decade

Yea, I've heard the rumors before.
It just sounds like there was something specific in the show I overlooked.

Is it just the demonic hood thing and then massive leap to Mephisto because of rumors?

>>149156379
That's the problem in and of itself, innit?

MCUtards are desperate for more references and more comicbook characters making the leap to the screen, hivemind the fact the way to introduce him would be in the delayed-by-3-years tv show about Moon Girl & Devil Dinosaur but replace the dinosaur for a wind&solar(give me a fucking break) ironman suit
I never watched the Kamala show but I feel for the fans of any cool characters they shoved in there

Isn't it incredibly problematic to make an AI of your deceased friend/family/loved one? The implications are worrisome because effectively that shadow of the real thing will inevitably overwrite your real experiences that happened

>>149156465
It could very easily be a bait-n-switch, something retarded like the cape is made of nanomachines and the voice was fake all along or some other comicbooky bullshit, and the last minute villain turns out to be Han Solo since he's the one prominent white character in the cast

>>149156364
>people are convinced this time is for real because the jheri curl guy has a magic evil poncho
Maybe I hallucinated it, but didn’t images of Sacha Baron Cohen in full costume, with the signature cowl, leak? Also, failing to include Mephisto in Wandavision, only to interpret the warranted backlash as cries to make him the villain in this garbage that nobody wants, sounds like the most Disney Marvel treatment of a character possible.

They could've done a better job with explaining the creation of N.A.T.A.L.I.E. but other than that there's not much to shit on. As a fan of Marvel (mostly the comics) this wasn't as bad as the other recent mini shows that marvel has put out. I don't get why people are review bombing it

>>149156986
>creation of N.A.T.A.L.I.E.
The one thing I still don't understand is how Natalie has the memories of the real Natalie despite the fact that she came from Riri's mind. How can she describe her last moments alive?

>>149156821
He's been saying he'll play Mephisto for fucking years now since his career is pretty much dead on the water(it's a le ebin self-deprecating joke because he's jewish)
Then somebody cooked up some mildly convincing screencaps showing Mephisto and that's how they got the ball rolling

>>149156986
>>149157018
an ACTUALLY GOOD SHOW could have built an entire premise out of that alone

>>149157018
Also shouldn't she be like a Plato's Cave of the real Natalie since this is a being made from personal recollection and not a complete copy of the actual mind? This result in either an angelic parody of the person you idolized or a complete piece of shit

>>149156638
>last minute villain turns out to be Han Solo since he's the one prominent white character in the cast

Yea, that seems like a pretty strong possibility as of right now. And it's really Riri's fault so far.

>>149157018
>The one thing I still don't understand is how Natalie has the memories of the real Natalie despite the fact that she came from Riri's mind. How can she describe her last moments alive?
She doesn't have her memories, she has Riri's. Riri saw her die. What bothers me is Rirs can't figure this out. Everything the AI has said Riri confirms as having been there to see.

It's better than Secret Invasion but even Ms Marvel blows this thing out of the water. I might tap out from now.

>>149157256
Remember what they did to Walker? The one interesting character played by a good actor?
Woops, he's a le bad now

>>149157330
On the bright side maybe we'll "hate" him for a few years but then he'll join the Thunderbolts.

>>149157380
The saddest part of your comment is it means someone else uses Thunderbolts as an example of something without having actually seen it.

Walker existed to be shit on in that movie and literally nothing else.

>>149157444
>Walker existed to be shit on in that movie and literally nothing else.
Yea they tried, but then it seems like everyone turned out liking him after.

>>149157444
It's the eternal schizo war disney has against its own fanbases, they write characters people like with spite so people end up liking them even more

>>149157330
>>149157444
>>149157533
>>149157594
Are Walkerfags once again pretending normies give a damn about their fave?

>>149157879
>their fave
Woman or homosexual?

>>149157879
>Are Walkerfags once again pretending normies give a damn about their fave?

Depends on which Walker fags you're talking about?

>>149157907

>>149156986
>I don't get why people are review bombing it
Black woman

>>149157895
Touched a nerve, eh?

>>149156225
too bad they can't necrobump your dead-on-arrival capeslop

>>149158692
what is this schizo talking about?

>>149153617 (OP)
>main character acts exactly like a stereotypical negress given Tony Stark-level skills would, from cheating at academics then acting confused about why the world doesn’t appreciate her, to falling in with Da Hood to get back at the EVIL corporations, to literally murdering her own crew because she stole shit on a whim
Fucking lmao. I can’t even argue with the production values, but it is absolutely comical you’re supposed to root for this dumb angry bitch.

>>149153923
>Riri is a very flawed person
Being flawed does not make her likeable either
>Zeke Stane is-
A fucking pussy

>>149155263
I came to this thread to tell you you’re pathetic.

>>149156531
Yes but hush, you’re not supposed to criticise MCU protagonists when they make questionable decisions like Carol dodging Earth because she was afraid of talking to one (1) girl and the Thunderbolts just letting their villain get off scott free.

>>149156986
>I don’t get
It’s the show about the smug black girl whose whole gimmick is “being better than Iron Man”, don’t be disingenuous.

>>149156986
Nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga
I'm 100% nigga
Nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga,
I'm 200% nigga
Nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga,
Why do police hate niggas?
Nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga,
They hate us 'cause our dicks is bigga!
Nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga,
Why you call yourself a nigga?
Nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga,
'Cause im a mother fucking nigga!
Nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga,
Why you drink so much beer?
Nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga,
I dont drink beer, I drink malt liquor

'Cause I'm a nigga!
Motherfuckin' nigga man, I ain't all that African American shit
Fuck that I'm a nigga, I ain't mixed, I'm a nigga
N-i-g-g-a, nigga, you already know

Nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga,
Why you eat so much chicken?
Nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga,
Why won't you make it in my kitchen?
Nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga,
Why you call them hoes bitches?
Nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga,
'Cause them hoes is bitches!
Nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga,
Why you stay in the hood?
Nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga,
'Cause I dont like livin' by peckerwoods
Nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga,
Why you ain't got no job?
Nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga,
Seven dollars an hour won't feed my dog
Nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga,
Why yo' pants gotta sag?
Nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga,
'Cause hand-me-downs downs is all a nigga has!
Nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga,
Why you scared to go to court?
Shit, 'cause the judge look just like motherfucka' that put our ass on the boat and made me a nigga

Mama Rag is a nigga
Durag is a nigga
Ballistics is a nigga
And I'm Uretha's nigga
Nigga!

>>149154582
The most think-tanked marketing line I've ever heard lol That's like saying: "Yeah, the new Batman sucks and she's an obnoxious gay black girl but she totally grapples onto a rooftop at one point!"

>>149153923
> is a very flawed person and I appreciate that when everybody expected her to be perfect.
This is how you can tell ALL of our media is written by Zionists. They really want to normalize being a reprehensible sociopath to the masses. They don't even make them just a normal person, they have to be a villain-lite.

>>149153617 (OP)
I genuinely forgot this was even a thing. Even if its good people will always see her as bootleg iron man, worse, bootleg black iron man.

>>149159644
>even if it somehow stops being slop in the second half people will always see her as bootleg iron man
Of course they will, because she is. She only exists because a bitter jealous writer wanted their own character to inherit the legacy of a superior character who came before.

>>149156379
This. I don't care about Mephisto at all, but Dormammu is awesome and I've always wanted to see more of him. He's hasn't even been used except for as a joke villain in Dr. Strange 1. I assumed he was going to be more of a presence.

>>149156986
Niggers
Are
Terrible
At
Leading
Intelligent
Existences

>>149156531
But they have invested in A.I. and want to sell it to you so you'll do exactly that. Forget your friends and family, we've got BETTER versions that only give out APPROVED statements.

>>149153617 (OP)
>It's pretty good, actually.
i doubt that

>>149159816
No, you're just racist

>>149159780
Comic Iron Man has NOT had a lot of great moments or memorable stories.
He just hasn't.

>>149157018
Because the writer's aren't good.
>>149157147
They would never be smart enough to do that and if the idea was somehow delivered to them on a silver platter they would be too afraid to do it.
>>149157256
There's no way it will be anyone else. It's like being the only character without an iPhone on Apple TV

>>149159843

>>149159810
>a joke villain in Dr. Strange 1
How was he a joke? Strange had to loop him with an Infinity Stone, and even then he had to endure countless Bad Ends to stalemate him.

>>149159863
Did posting that help you cope, anon?

>>149159961
You can make black/woman/ethnic Spider-Man to steal thunder from Spider-Man, but I'm not willing to pretend that Iron Man has decades of comic book glory or hype.

>>149159863
Are we really going to try to rewrite history? Iron Man is one of the O.G. heroes from the "Marvel Age of Comics" he's been around as long as the Fantastic Four, Doctor Strange, X-Men, and the Hulk. Whether or not someone cares for his stories he's been the poster boy for "What makes Marvel different!" because they love to tote out that "he had a drinking problem he's totally a deep character and our Batman, but cooler!"

Even if he wasn't this isn't a Barry Allen replacing Jay Garrick situation. This is a literal affirmative action replacement with all kind of extras to help them fill less than half the shoes of the person they're supposed to be replacing. It's the mark of forced diversity and a subpar writer. Take for example a character like Static Shock, made by an actually competent writer. He may be an affirmative action character, but he's at least unique, interesting, and has an all fresh cast of characters that are unique to his IP which actually makes them interesting and leads to new story ideas since they're entirely based around him.

Characters like this are always a pale imitation that require additional pale imitations and DeviantArt OC cringe power ups and plot events to drag them on to the next last leg that they're permanently on.

If Iron Man really was a crappy character (doubt) the answer would be get rid of him and make up a new character not replace him with a crappy diversity hire nobody likes.

>>149159885
Because that was played for laughs. Defeating a villain with a joke is always a bad idea if they're supposed to be more than a one off gag.

The fact that they've never brought him back as a serious threat just seals the deal.

>>149159974
Then why attempt to steal his legacy instead of building Riri’s from scratch? Why is it so important that she be attached to Tony Stark/Iron Man?
Because you’re coping and failing to move the goalposts.

>>149153923
>another marvel project where the villains are activists
Smooth corporate propaganda Marvel.

>>149159863
>Demon In A Bottle
>Doomquest
>Armor Wars
>Extremis
>O'Neil's run
vs.
>One flop of a run.

2 episodes in and it really sucks. Tired of looking at "slug".

>>149153617 (OP)
>pretty good, actually.
No it's not. Please stop shilling.

One of the most common complaints I'm seeing in this show is audiences pointing out how the writers don't understand how contracts work. They can be null and void if signed under duress. Unless the point is that these are Mephisto contracts and the rules are what he makes them.

Which speaking of, really keeping a tight lid on such an important Marvel character. Was he cut? Why make him appear here of all places? Shouldn't he be important moving forward?

RDJ kind of pushing it...and it's decent

not Wanda/Agatha good...but decent

Do you think it'll shit the bed in the second half?

>>149153617 (OP)

Riri's been a terrible idea and character since her inception. Does Bendis secretly hate his adopted black daughter? I would hope a father would want to do better than this for his kid. Maybe put in at least SOME effort into character design and execution. I can't really be surprised though, Bendis is a shit writer and should have been canned ages ago. Riri's even more forgettable than Miles.

>>149153923
Riri is basically a super villain in the comics who for some reason is treated like a hero by everyone around her.

>>149153617 (OP)
they could have used these resources making a series set in The Void at The End of Time instead

>>149161389
They could have made Armor Wars instead WITH Riri there if need be. Im scratching my head wondering why they haven't explored the obvious, a post Stark world where everyone is scrambling to steal his designs with Pepper desperately trying to keep a lid on the situation

>>149161487
Man I forgot armor wars got canceled in favor of ironheart another reason to hate riri Williams.

>>149161132
>Wanda/Agatha good
Wow,what an incredibly, insanely low bar.

>>149153617 (OP)
>shows with no fans

>>149153635
>Hood and the tease of the big M
So one of the best things about the show was a teaser for another show?

>>149153617 (OP)
>I DONT DRINK
>I DONT CUSS
>I WANNA SIT AT THE FRONT OF THE BUS

>>149162058
the only reason it has no fans is because disney didnt pay anyone to promote it.

Morgan Stark should have been Ironheart.

>>149153617 (OP)
>>149153635
Sounds like it’s complete garbage, shill.

>>149159131
Val is basically owned by the Thunderbolts now.

>commits crimes
>plays victim
faithful to the comics i see, garbage personality.

>>149153635
So what you think is good is either homages to Iron Man and then the hints inclusion of other characters in the Marvel universe.

Woke

>>149161132
>Wanda
>Agatha
>Good
Opinion dismissed. Wanda was good until the facade cracked and the show had to asspull a generically evil villain to take the heat off the consequences of her actions, and pretend she was somehow absolved of all guilt. Agatha is an even more bizarre pity-party for a fundamentally irredeemable person and her collection of would-be victims, who incidentally also is in lesbians with Death because resaons.

>>149161240
>Does Bendis secretly hate his adopted black daughter
I hate Ironheart with a burning passion too, but c’mon writing a cringe superhero who’s better than the superhero she’s based on makes perfect sense as doting dad behaviour, no matter how ill-conceived in execution. In fact I’m pretty sure Bendis is chuffed at all those royalties he got from her to fund his real daughter.

>>149162461
>The mastermind is owned by a couple of incompetent losers, and this is definitely a sustainable state of affairs
That’s bullshit and you know it.

>>149163187
This is the one show where this condemnation is both welcome and wholly appropriate. Woke, woke, woke. Total diversity character DEATH.

>>149162958
Real talk, the central problem of Ironheart is that they really want to have their cake and eat it. She’s smart enough to get into MIT because she needs to be an aspirational figure to black people. She’s kind enough to let her friends cheat off her because the show needs to let you know she’s a kind person at heart. She’s bitter at the world for somehow being unacknowledged despite this show taking place after BP2 which was all about how she did NOT want her work to be acknowledged by the wrong people, yells at her mom for shit outside both their control, and falls into a gang because she needs to the ghetto nigger demographic.

This show comes across like it’s trying to simultaneously appeal to ALL the black people the writers can imagine, while also preachily telling them to stay in school.

>joins a crime organization complaining about the lack of money for her armor
>said Tony only was the Iron Man because of money
>dude did an armor in a fucking cave to save himself
Riri is just MEDIOCRE, just like her show.
You will never be Iron Man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-R9a9uC_y8

>>149161487
The problem is that the MCU has this weird fucking situation where they made Spider-man Iron-man jr. when it didn't work well, but the exact fucking moment where it would have actually worked really well because Tony was dead and someone needed to carry on the legacy and they needed to avoid fighting Sony for more access to villain rights so they could just recycle Iron-Man villains and plots with Spider-man instead...they doubled back on it in a ridiculously hamfisted way that made everyone immediately stop giving a fuck about Spider-man in the MCU, basically ceding him entirely to sony, and did shit like give Shang Chi one of Tony's biggest villains that they'd previously taken heat for not actually committing to using.

So Riri ends up double fucked because you can't even badly weld her into rip off Iron Man stories because there's somebody else who objectively should be the first pick instead.

>>149163435
Is Tony making the first Iron-man armor in captivity a well known fact in the MCU?

>>149153617 (OP)
>It's pretty good, actually.
The main character is a Bendis created female nog. There is no way this is actually good, and I'm sure as shit not watching it.

>>149153617 (OP)
>It's pretty good, actually.
sure

>>149164278
Nta but that's because, well, it's not actually good. The trick is that there are many things about it that are good IN ISOLATION, but that become flawed when considered in the MCU as a holistic setting, and when you stop just assessing the show by vibes and actually think about the progression of the plot.

The actress is decent enough both on the eyes, and in playing the role (even if "troubled black girl with daddy issues" is basically typecasting for any qualified candidate). The suit actually looks fine. The pacing and directing is decent, and the family scenes do a decent job of humanising Riri and making her complex to Achieve Something come from somewhere other than pure arrogance.

Where the shows is if you turn your brain on. You are asked to believe that theoretically intelligent, kindhearted Riri is stupid enough to go along with a gang justified by "attacking evil corporations", and that also she's down bad for cash because muh MIT even though she can build a FUCKING FUNCTIONAL IRON MAN SUIT. You are rushed straight through her interactions with her mother and traumatic past, and you are given no context for the resource limitations for building an Iron Man suit and/or a fucking AI version of her dead best friend. You are asked to believe the events of Black Panther 2 (Riri helping Wakanda save the world from Talokan) and Captain America 4 (nations scrambling for vibranium, an opening that should've logically created shitloads of job opportunities for someone like Riri) because the narrative slant of Ironheart the show is less teen genius and more troubled black young lady doing crimes to get by in a shitty world (who happens to be a genius).

The best thing I can say about Ironheart is that it's production values are remarkably competent. The worst thing I can say about Ironheart is that the core premise of the plot renders it unsalvageable by said competence.

>>149164655
*Where the show sucks is

>>149158050
Homosexual it is

>>149153617 (OP)
The cgi looked like an asylum movie. Nobody is even talking about what's actually happening in the show.

>>149164655
The most logical explanation for both your complains about BP2 and CA4 would be that Wakanda doesn't need her and America considers her compromised but won't risk her going somewhere else, but there is no way the MCU would commit to that kind of realpolitik.

>>149165336
I mean, they skim over everything except important emotional moments with Riri that the show feels weirdly hollow and lacking in things to talk about even with each episode being 40+ minutes. Want to talk about the whacky gang? Can't because the Hood's past is still unclear and we literally skimmed over the backstories of the gang members in a rapid fire montage. Care to debate the morality of the vaguely evil corporation the gang feels justified in blackmailing? Again we literally cannot because we only have the eccentric criminals' word for them being justified targets. Would you like to discuss the implications of Obadiah Stane having a son? Well, i don't feel like dwelling on him because he's a total loser who exists to be bullied by Riri and also hypocritically and very clumsily told by her to stand up for himself too until it backfires for her. What about the heist itself, it sure looked like a complex and risky-oh wait everything except Riri having to improvise due to being interrupted by her sassy AI best friend went off without a hitch.

Nobody's talking about the show because there's nothing of substance in the show due to the writers caring more about Riri bitching about the economy than anything else. I sure would like to speculate about the nature and origins of the Hood's hood as well as the event that drove him to start using it, but it's just skimmed over so the show can get back to Riri rapidly changing her mind about the AI friend.

>>149165673
Precisely. There are indeed valid reasons that would make me happily shut up if they were addressed (one moreso than the other; BP2 went out of it's way to meme >muh colonists while hyping up black people solidarity with Shuri becoming such a staunch supporter of Riri's that her leaving her in the financial lurch by the end of the movie would be as bizarre as Steve randomly stabbing Bucky one day), but the show simply refuses to address them because it is DESPERATE to get to the parts of the story about quirky quippy heists and Riri doing sassy black girl things.

>>149163360
Another thing about Agatha is that every character acts like an extra on some shitty Disney/Nickelodeon sitcom for preschoolers with a dash of soi. It's in the comedy, in the acting, in the overall tone and feel.
The same can be said for a lot of modern MCU stuff (Oscar Isaac's Moon Knight is one of the most insufferable examples, considering) but very noticeable here.

>>149153617 (OP)
Any webm requests?

>>149153617 (OP)
Its mid at best

>>149153617 (OP)
Couldn't care less about her we didn't need another Iron Man let alone an obnoxious teen protagonist Mary sue

Glad it flopped hope they learn from this and never pull this shit again but I doubt it

>>149156364
The emphasis on the contracts has me convinced it Mephisto. I would be glad to be wrong because I don't want Mephisto to be introduced with this

>>149159810
Costs too much for CGI to have any significant screen time

The ending to episode 6 leaked from people who saw it in advance.

[/spoiler]Mephisto finally appears after so much cockteasing, meeting Riri at a restaurant. Cohen apparently does a fantastic job playing the Marvel demon, and has gravitas in this simple exchange. Mephisto offers Riri a deal; in exchange for her soul he’ll bring back NATALIE, the AI not the actual friend. Riri agrees and the show ends, cut to black

>>149156531
That is why she is having a problem with it from the start

>>149165718
It'd work with a pre-Hudlin characterization of Wakanda being elitist and insular as hell. Shuri might like her, but everyone else is politely passive-aggressive and does their best to make sure she's gone once Shuri has her attention full.

>>149165934
>Riri sells her soul to retrieve the digital replica of her dead childhood friend
This is stupid enough that I believe it.

I am seriously questioning the intelligence of everyone adamantly defending this show, specifically Riri’s character. Every time I point out an issue, I’m met with a logic fallacy and straight up delusion

>>149153617 (OP)
>It's pretty good, actually.

So you're saying you have severe brain damage?

>>149164220
if he didn't tell everyone himself he found out about stane's box of scraps rant and released a video of it to the public.

>>149166106
They want it to be good. Anyone telling them otherwise must want it to be bad. Wanting it to be bad is racist. Wanting it to be good is anti-racist.

>>149166233
Nothing Bendis is responsible for, directly or indirectly, is good.
I don't care about race. I hate Jessica Jones as much as I hate Ironheart, as much as I hate Bendis' Avengers, as much as I LOATHE what Bendis tried to do to Moon Knight. Thank God for Warren Ellis, I could almost forgive him for never finishing Fell.
Ultimate Spider-Man in its early years is an exception and it's more "mediocre but okay as entry-level comic for new readers" than good.

>>149162958
you just reminded me of the time riri and her mom threatened to chimp out on some woman who was asking them questions. that issue was funny

>>149164220
I can't imagine it wouldn't be. An American billionaire was kept hostage in Sandduneistan, managed to free himself, and then later announced that he was Iron Man. That shit would have been all over the news, and people would have been very interested in the details.

And even it it wasn't common knowledge for the normies, that shit would have been a legend around someplace like MIT. Then again, it also wouldn't surprise me that Riri Williams had no idea that shit happened because she's a racist self-centered twat that just responds to any talk of Tony Stark with "naw he white."

>>149153617 (OP)
The consensus is it's shit.

>>149153617 (OP)
I'm not black
and as a non-black person it would be wrong for me to watch this show
cause if i do, I as a non-black person would be invading a black space.

>>149153617 (OP)
Does she have an IronHeart?

I get that Disney is incapable of making anything of value but it's so easy to set up the wide strokes for at the very least an interesting show. First off fuck the Wakanda movie and don't put Riri in it instead hire a 19 year old to debut in the show.

>Tony has been dead for X years and nobody has been able to replicate his tech and are at best operating with Iron Man 1 tier stuff.
>Riri an MIT student creates the first new arc reactor since Vanko and a decent attempt at the armour proclaiming she's the next iron man.
>Make sure her main character flaws are pride and ambition despite being out of her depth.
>Supercriminals and corporations are after her tech and shenanigans ensue.

>>149168164
That's one of my major pet peeves with the MCU. The first two Iron Man films made it clear that Tony had to keep advancing because it was only a matter of time before someone else cracked micro arc reactor tech, yet ever since then everything related to Iron Man has been treated as black box technology only the greatest of ultrageniuses can even hope to begin to understand. Within the current timeline Riri was born after Tony became Iron Man and kicked off a new arms race, it shouldn't be "Riri is so great because she's the only other person who can make Iron Man" it should be "holy shit this kid is pulling off what normally takes a couple billion dollars and full industrial backing to achieve."

>>149165829
Bump

>>149168604
I mean it is kinda black box since the only people with examples of the tech are Tony, Vanko/Hammer, and the US Army. and Hammer's are cheap offbrands that barely work while the Army has to farm all maintenance out to Tony.

>>149165829
Scenes where she armors up, I suppose.

>>149169011

>>149169145
>She paid for that with her own grant money

Then... then it's not fucking hers?

How sheltered are they that they think Grant is just "Free money to make shit that somehow doesn't belong to the people who gave you the money"

>>149168920
>and Hammer's are cheap offbrands that barely work
What? The drones in IM2 worked off the arc reactors fine.

>>149169145
The CG looks very floaty when she's walking forward there. Disney really should accept working with unionized SFX studios.

>>149168920
The problem is it's not the suit itself, it's the power source. Also Hammerdrones are underrated considered the ones seen are secretly armed display models built within a span of two weeks. Seriously, the internal chronology of IM2 is something like 6 weeks max.

>>149169315
>The problem is it's not the suit itself, it's the power source
It's not like that's a hard thing to come across in-universe, Ultron was shitting drones with that tech. In fact there's an absolute fuckload of mech stuff running around.

For gods sakes 5 years ago in universe they got access to INTERSTELLAR TRAVEL how is this not a big deal anymore

>>149169145
>built with my own grant money!

To bad about all that ultra expensive fabrication equipment used to make it that wasn't paid for with her own money or the university staff that she also didn't pay to provide assistance.

Are the next 2 episodes her getting legally fucked over when the university rightfully claims ownership of the suit? The judgement against her will certainly be iconic.

>>149153832
It now has 3.9, holy shit

>>149169395
That would require the writers to know shit about dick.

>>149169403
It could be a solid 0.5 and it wouldn't matter, it's not like a 4.0 is more worth your time than a 3.9.

What blows my mind is how many positive reviews are saying the problems are going to be fixed in season 2. "Oh, she's just cocky now, just like Tony Stark, but she'll totally come around and have her arc if those mean chuds don't stop her from getting season 2! Some shows need a season 2 to really kick off!" and it blows my mind because Iron Man 1 already pulled off this arc better, in 2 hours. This show is pushing 5! You could watch Iron Man 1 and 2 in the time it takes for this one show to finish and somehow that's not enough time for her to learn she's an entitled asshole who needs to stop being such a twat, even if they're super smart. Tony was talented and he was able to pull stuff off when he had literally nothing but a fucking car battery keeping him running, a ticking time bomb and a bunch of spare parts, but that's not what it was about. It was about seeing people on their own level instead of above them and realizing goddamn it people care about him and he needs to be better. Not them accept how great he is, he accept that he's not the be all end all and bigger stuff matters.

She doesn't need a season 2, she needs the Taskmaster treatment.

>>149169251
Depends on the grant. Universities have IP policies specifically to cover things like this. In general, as long as the grant does not have stipulations for IP transfer or claims, and the suit was not built using university funds or commission, under a collaboration or sponsorship that claims IP rights, she is not an employee, she does not have an Invention and Proprietary Information Agreement that covers the suit, and it was not built off of existing university-owned IP, then the school has zero claim to the suit.

>>149162186
She's going to be Iron Man 2040.

>>149161240
Honestly, if they actually examined the idea of Riri basically being a supervillain who just happens to do good things occasionally, that could be entertaining. But I doubt Marvel has the right talent to make that happen.

I must be insane or extremely bored to get into discussions with blind fanboys and shills over this shit. It's actually kinda fascinating seeing people go to such great lengths to make excuses to poor creative decisions, displaying not only disingenuous arguments tearing down other characters to make Riri seem good by comparison while also not having any sort of understanding on characters or basic writing skills. Compound that with their ever increasing frustration with me by not being able to just disregard my posts as surface level racism

I think the defense force is just your average case of a fan feeling personally threatened when an aspect of their franchise is criticized and thus take it personal given their irrational identification to it. I've seen some really dumb shit where people don't understand context, motivations, nor intent. A lot of downplaying of Riri's bad choices even before she hooked up with The Hood

>>149169145
I think MIT has a claim to whatever you develop using their resources. Also she specifically didn't use it with grant money because the dumb bitch earned extra cash by selling papers to students looking to coast

Did they adapt the scene, where she forces teacher to be racist to her, for motivation?

>>149165743
The most annoying thing about Agatha for me is that it flirts with the idea of genuine horror and villainy but never quite commits. There are set pieces that look like they're going to result in horrific consequences or grim betrayals, and then everyone just soldiers on together while quipping or bullying the whipping boy (and while I'm not a fan of grifters and buzzwords, let's be honest-the MCU does have an extensive problem with not knowing how to write male white characters without making them into such weak losers they can't be taken seriously no matter what their actual powers or role are) because of plot.

>>149170226
That's a very self-congratulatory way to say nothing at all.

>>149169251
>>149169529
The guidelines state that if a student requires significant resources in the creation of a project, MIT has legal claim to the IP given the investment to make it happen. So given the ridiculous amount of shit Riri likely hogged in the shop to make the suit, I believe MIT has legal claim over it

>>149170256
>the MCU does have an extensive problem with not knowing how to write male white characters

Yeah, look at all those losers like Captain America, Iron Man, Star-Lord, Doctor Strange, etc.

>>149170259
Really the point was examining how odd fandoms go to forgive a new product, at least during the "honeymoon period"

>>149166084
Can we talk about how strange the treatment of Wakanda's high command in BP2 is? Because it feels like BP1 ends with T'challa subverting tradition to actually start handing out Wakanda tech to the world, but BP2 has the queen acting like she's in charge of a pre-Hudlin Wakanda and it's Wakanda vs every other nation out there even though her son was actively working against this sort of policy. It's like they want to do pre-Hudlin Wakanda but are scared to lean too hard into it and also didn't quite know how to deal with the initial premise foisted on MCU Wakanda. All of which is talking around the fact that BP2 is a creepy ghoulish fucking movie because it bends over backwards to be a subtextual wake for Chadwick Boseman (against his express wishes when he was alive, I might add) and as a result you're supposed to believe there's this random disease out there that all of Wakandan technology can't deal with.

>>149170289
Maybe they just have different opinions than you, my man.

>>149169351
There's something really funny about the idea the show genuinely wants you to draw the conclusion that building an Iron Man 1-level Iron Man suit is apparently harder than space travel.

>>149170313
>(against his express wishes when he was alive, I might add

You are incorret, I might retort.

>>149170350
If it isn't, how come there aren't Iron Kree and such?

>>149170313
T'Challa was sharing their tech with the world through those Wakanda outreach groups, the moment he did the U.N. tried to take over the Vibranium there, so his mom just SHUT. DOWN. EVERYTHING.

>>149170256
>horror
Speaking of, watching Aubrey Plaza scenes after Legion is just painful.
You can't help but automatically compare the two performances and remember how much more threatening Shadow King was than... pretty much every MCU villain ever honestly, even the edgy Netflix ones. The whole "ants and fungus" scene had more tension in it than the entirety of Agatha's show combined.

>>149170278
>Star-Lord
Yes. Actually yes. They start off doing something decent with him from Guardians 2 onwards, and then they repeatedly regress him into being a loser to the extent of bringing in the past Gamora to kick him while he's down
>Doctor Strange
Gets forced by plot into committing quipshit in his debut movie despite it's generally sombre tone, gets condemned by MoM as the worst most dangerous fucker who is the #1 Incursion purveyor in the multiverse, is STILL attached at the hip to Christine.

You have me at the other two, but you're also being disingenuous and cherrypicking from early in the MCU rather than the common trends later on. Should've BTFO'd me with Ant-Man, desu. Despite the bitching about his teenager daughter Scott's always been consistently respected for what and who he is.

>>149170338
True, but you can also acknowledge something is flawed and still like it. Turning a blind eye to it is silly

>>149170353
https://people.com/movies/chadwick-boseman-brother-voices-approval-black-panther-petition-recast-tchalla/

I am almost certain I had a more substantive interview than this as evidence to the contrary, but I am also arguing with what I assume is another grown man in an Ironheart thread so I'm under no obligation to do so in good faith or source my claims other than vague memories anyway.

>>149170360
My cope is that the Kree see Iron Man suits as low tech and consider Ultimate Weapons/Accusers to be much more efficient ways of creating supersoldiers.

>>149170373
>his mom just SHUT. DOWN. EVERYTHING.
Which I mean, I could be convinced as the politically expedient move if the movie did more to sell me on the dangers of the wider world gaining access to vibranium instead of just screaming COLONISER COLONISER COLONISER at me as if Wakanda itself didn't almost become an existential threat in BP1 (especially since technically, Howard Stark had access to it and didn't exactly blow up the world) but the movie really just skimmed over the validity of her decision to get a scene where Riri shoots at cops and somehow walks away a free woman by the end of the movie

>>149170384
Just goes to show how differently a creative vision can pan out with the same actors without Disney's leash on it, I guess. Shadow King in general was fantastic no matter who was playing him.

>>149170338
Nta but I would find those opinions more convincing if they weren't directly contradicted by the evidence of my eyes and ears. It's like seeing someone unironically defend a-well, I won't say Ironheart is a full on Tommy Wiseau movie. But it is like defending all the flaws of the second Fantastic 4 movie that had Jessica Alba as Sue in it.

>>149170566
>I'm under no obligation to do so in good faith or source my claims other than vague memories anyway

Interesting concession, hadn't seen this one before.

>>149170644
You’re defending an Ironheart show, there is literally nothing more humiliating I can say to you compared to the position you’re taking.

I swear the defense force for this show is comprised of drooling retards.
>"Riri is trying to make suits for first responders! It's not like this has been an ethical debate since Iron Man 1 where people could misuse this dangerous technology!"
>"Bro Scott Lang and Tony Stark have done shady shit! Why are you criticizing Riri even though context is completely different!"
>Dude she hasn't been a hero yet, and we're seeing that arc right now that will completely validate her poor choices! No Wakanda Forever doesn't count, and it's not like this stuff makes her completely unlikable!"

>>149153617 (OP)
Mid at best and that's highly generous.

>>149170762
I think it’s fair to say that the show has a lot of mid moments in an overall shit setup, and also that the mid moments are the ones least related to being an actual superhero show. Riri interacting with her family and friends is actually okay, but the heist and the morality of it’s target feels like it’s skimmed over so it can get back to Riri talking to her mystery AI friend ASAP without dwelling on who the individual gang members are or what the consequences of their actions have been.

My takeaway from the show is that it wants to be. quirky drama about two lower class black girls, and is very reluctantly paying lip service to the idea of superheroes to get funded.

>>149170762
>>149170828
The short version: somewhat passable premise undermined by a shit protagonist

>>149170855
>undermind by a shit protagonist
Also shit worldbuilding, shit storytelling and shit pacing. Tbh similar to America Chavez, I actually think MCU Riri is an improvement on the comic simply because the bar is set so low that “disillusioned uni burnout with daddy issues who can’t escape the ghetto” is a better character concept than what was there initially, the problem is the inherent premise of Ironheart (here’s a black girl claiming she can do everything Tony can but better) is so inherently alienating it’s impossible to save.

>>149170883
Why does Riri think first responders can afford Iron Man suits on taxpayer salaries, and why is she so retarded to think that people won't abuse this technology when put on the open market?

>>149170978
I think she must’ve hit her head a little too hard in BP2 because she forgot literally everything she learned about likely applications for her technology in it. It’s also bullshit of her to claim an Iron Man suit is the ONLY thing anyone would be interested from her when the government went after her for a vibranium detector. Build a weather remote control or some shit and work your way up.

Though honestly I get the impression every rationale Riri makes in the show is just an excuse for the fact that she thinks building Iron Man suits is cool and brings her closer to her dead dad in some vague sense.

>>149170855
>somewhat passable premise
Even then it's not a good premise, it's flawed from the getgo in ways that could only be salvaged by pretty much undoing the core concept.

>Genius who gets kicked out of MIT for helping others cheat desperately wants to bring world changing invention to the table for those who didn't have billions, like her, to have access to. Left with no means of getting the initial funding, they turn to crime to pay for it "For the greater good" by joining those who steal from the rich for the greater good. Only to find out the group, just as they have, made a deal with the devil...

Just as a basis, its inherently flawed that holds it back from working because so many things have to be hinged on contrivances just to make it happen. It's a half-assed premise that needs to change around a ton of things in its setup from its location to the motivation just to make it connect together. Just as a story, taking out the characters and action pieces and what the exact technology has, it's a firm "C, Needs work" grade.

Even if Riri was a good character she'd be fighting uphill to make this premise work, that she might very well be the worst protagonist of any MCU work, period, just makes sure it all gets dragged down from what little highs it could reach. Its mind boggling that she can exist because she has to come from people so deluded in themselves and also such bad writers they couldn't even avoid their own thoughts on the matter. I get it, this was written in 2020-2021 and filmed/completed in 2022-23. I get that the zietgiest of that era is almost fucking alien now, as this puts it at the same timeframe as "Black person is hunted by magic teleporting cops who are defeated by cameras" level storytelling. But if its already so dated after 2 years at most then it probably should've been flushed at the start.

>>149171210
> as "Black person is hunted by magic teleporting cops who are defeated by cameras"
I’m not saying I don’t believe you, I’m not saying you’re doing hyperbole.

But I have to know, what

>>149171270
Twilight Zone 2020 reboot, episode is titled "Replay" about a mom who's son gets shot at a traffic stop by a racist cop TOPICAL while on his way to school cause he just wants to learn but mean cop doesn't believe him POWERFUL but she has a camcorder that lets her go back in time.

And no, I'm not exaggerating. There is in fact one of the loops where she tries to save him where she just doesn't go that direction and instead takes him in a completely different direction, and the cop still finds him and shoots him in a completely different altercation. How did the cop get there when he's supposed to be watching traffic actual literal hour long miles away? How did he know where they were? Why would he get there? Magic. It's just apparently magic. They don't say he's magic but he teleports wayyy off just to shoot this kid, apparently. Don't worry though, they avoid it, because the uncle has an underground tunnel that leads right to the school REFERENTIAL. But oh no! Now there's a bunch of cops, waiting to shoot this kid! But then all the black people hold up their phones and record the police ITS JUST LIKE REAL LIFE , and by god those racist police are defeated and slink off while this boy goes on to get his schooling!

This is real. This is an actual story. This is not the most insultingly stupid episode. That goes to the one that says all men are murder rapists just waiting for an excuse to go on murder rape sprees, first chance they get the poor women do nothing wrong but the men are gonna murder rape.

2020 was a weird fucking time.

>>149171210
>>149171270
>>149171341
That's because Jordan Peele is a fucking asshole who made a career off racism.

>>149171341
Oh my god you’re not making this up it’s in the episode description what the actual fuck

What did you do to the twilight zone you pasty fuck

>>149171425
It's not even the worst episode. Neither of them are. Honestly the others might have bad stories character all that shit, but absofuckinglutely nothing can compare to the finale. Not story, no matter how bad, can compare to the turd they left on the way out.

Last episode ends with a CGI Rod Serling, yes, an actual fucking badly done CGI Rod Serling, coming out to tell a black writer who was struggling that no, this twilight zone series is good, you're writing good things black lady, you get to change the world with the Twilight zone. Fucking nothing they could write is as just downright awful as a CGI version of a long dead man who dedicated his life to his craft and threw out dozens of scripts better than these after working his ass off to make the good ones happen being brought to half-assed not even a good model life just to praise your new writers and say they're doing great right before you get cancelled

>>149170978
Just make cheaper ones. Maybe call them Guardsmen or something.

>>149170271
MIT's IP policy is available online and lays out the specifics for both MIT claiming IP ownership and where they do not claim ownership. Unless the resources in question are already subject to MIT IPs and the creation expands or improves upon them, or the work in question is done in parallel to work where MIT claims IP rights. Also IP rights and ownership of the physical object are different issues. I'd say the better question, is MIT going to risk the bad press of seizing a student's independent work, claiming ownership, and kicking the student out? Because that's the kind of shit that could cripple an engineering program before you get into the race and class problems.

>>149170313
The problem is that no matter how they slice it they've run into the "Wakanda never gave a shit about anyone but themselves" problem the comics have.

>>149170566
>pulls some white man's burden shit
>immediately screams colonizer at everyone else
Certified Woman Moment. And the sad thing is that you could have a very logical stance that going all the way back to WW2 Wakanda's technological superiority has been slipping, they were too blind to see it until a few years ago, and are too rigid to adjust. As is it feels more like they're upset that the existing world order isn't deferring to them now that they've finally bothered to join it.

>>149171210
There is a way to make this work and given Riri's personality and background in the comics it would make a lot of sense. Riri is naive and fairly gullible, especially if you play into her ego; she is socially detached, possibly on the spectrum, and has no context for life because she's never really lived one. And as such, people use her. MIT uses her for brownie points, the people she helped cheat just looking for someone to cover their fuckups, her gang only cares about what she can do for them. It could have been a story about how being intelligent doesn't mean you're smart and how wanting to help and doing something helpful are two different things. Riri could have easily been a tragic hero, a girl thrown into situations she doesn't fully comprehend and brought low by an arrogance fed to her since childhood, and how she needs to pull her head out of her ass and grow as a person to become a hero.

>>149168164
Oh, i want to try one.

>no one can replicate StarkTech, but people have been able to replicate the drones from IM2 and crude Iron Monger style armors
>Riri's flaw isn't that she's a thieving, lying, corrupt piece of shit, it's that she idolizes Stark and has a hero complex
>she falls in with Hood's crew not because she wants money and doesn't mind being a criminal, it's because Hood convinced her they're all revolutionary underdogs fighting to liberate the common man from evil corporate oppression
>she helps them break into a Stane lab under some heroic pretense, but it turns out they just wanted to steal some prototype Iron Man suits and become crime bosses
>Riri tries to stop them but gets her shit pushed in
>she's rescued by War Machine (not piloted by Rhodey since he's a Skrull now and Cheadle is like 90 years old, so maybe a white guy i don't know. Maybe even bring Iron Patriot back?)
>Riri is humbled by her prideful arrogance and set upon her Hero's Journey, so War Machine decides to run her through Iron Man Boot Camp quickly and teach her how to fight
>together they take on Mecha Hood and his goons
>no Mephisto because fuck you what the hell does Mephisto have to do with Iron Man

Also, sexy metal-clad butts on every suit. Chicks dig that shit.

>>149172018
Use an actual teen for Riri and make the guy that rescues her Iron Lad secretly Ultron piloting an empty suit setting up a Young Avengers show/series with two Iron Knockoffs instead of just one.

>>149172128
Hmm. I'll approve it, but only if Riri and Ultron end up slapping naughty bits.

>>149171971
It’s a show for women anon, they find cockadoody poopie they can half watch while they use social media comforting

>>149171705
>Just make cheaper ones
In general “just make cheaper shit” is literally the solution to all of Riri’s money problems. She could probably make a sick quadcopter drone. Or hell, something you can attach to cars to stop them breaking down or need refuelling.

The show acts like she has no choice but to jump into crime when really it just comes across like Riri wants to build an Iron Man suit RIGHT NOW and is heedless of the less extreme steps she could take to get there.

>>149172194
Ehh I just want some kind of proper big bad to show up and for Riri to lose badly because one of her few good moments in comics is getting knocked down a peg so hard by Thanos that it gave her PTSD.

>>149171971
To a certain extent I feel the show DOES hint at this angle, like with the gang styling themselves as mystery meet Robin Hood types going after allegedly-bad corporations. The problem is that it’s extremely underdeveloped because the show also wants Riri’s good intentions to be at the forefront for why she’s doing all of this, even though she’s going about it in the most contrived, ass-backwards way after learning the wrong lessons from getting expelled. Riri definitely has unresolved issues given her argument with her mom, the show is just…really reluctant to address or even resolve them. Like instead of dwelling on the horror and tragedy of AI Natalie it just has them devolve into sassing each other and have the mom accept her instantly on sight, because Disney doesn’t want to think about a dead girl trapped in a computer for too long. The Riri you’re describing could’ve had a much stronger dynamic with Joe instead of the awkward one they have where the show really wants them to be friends despite having literally no reason to trust or like each other.

In general I feel like Disney simultaneously wanting to present the “little guy” has having valid grievances but also being unwilling to strike out against the status quo TOO hard is preventing them from picking a lane with Riri.

>>149172194
Anon no, Ultron deserves better.
This brings me great shame as a diehard Ironheart hater, but while I will never defend the core premise I have to admit the actress is both attractive and charismatic. The drums are beating, and my loins want what my brain shouldn’t.

>>149153617 (OP)
Why do they always pick the ugliest blacks they can find? If the actors looked like pic related, nobody would be against diversity.

>Iron Nigga has to steal and do crimes to get funded instead of selling her tech/research to Stark competitors
It reminds me of Nigga Panther where the vanished prince became a drug dealing gun runner instead of using his other world tech to invent something. The more woke these writers get the more ignorant they become.

>>149172377
Storm's supposed to look multiracial.

>>149172458
Storm's supposed to look hot.

>>149172411
I never put two and two together before... Were they implying that the brother of the Black Panther helped to found, or at least influence, the Black Panther Party?

>>149172377
These ones are above average but only, ONLY by MCU standards.

>>149172565
nta but no that was never implied, although frankly it wouldn’t be a stretch to assume his activities may have helped the BPP indirectly. N’Jobu was technically a Wakandan ultranationalist, his endgoal wasn’t just saving all black people, it was conquering the world under Wakanda’s banner under the belief there was no other option.

>>149159780
Lila Rhodes?

>>149172249
Just turn Zeke into a brooding, angry, rich boy who is inexplicably drawn to Riri and they'd eat that shit up.

>>149172353
Considering Natalie is a copy based entirely on Riri's memories, I'd say you're better off going with Riri's mom recognizing that the AI gets a lot of stuff wrong because of not just Riri's limited memories but also because Riri was subconsciously editing the personality to fit an ideal in her head. At the same time you can also have the Natalie AI "drift" as it gains more knowledge and experience.

Though in general the show has the problem of following BP2. Riri has already dealt with much larger issues so she comes off as a little "have you learned nothing?" Part of that is simply the nature of going from a blockbuster film to a tv show, but it kinda feels like the show should have come first.

>>149165829
Any cool armor suit up

>>149172957
>Zeke
This but Joe, black women love brooding troubled white bois. So do white women, to be fair. The industry has learned nothing, NOTHING, from the financial success of Twilight.

>it kinda feels like the show should have come first
Agreed. It wouldn’t have sold me on the basic premise, but the general way everything is being presented comes across to me like it was intended to be about a less experienced Riri. Except that would’ve been a further contradiction because the suit is working much better in the series than it was in BP2.

>>149172907
She never existed outside that book, so no. Not even enough to have get an armor and call herself War Club or something.

>>149173001
If you went the idea mentioned earlier that Wakanda is losing its tech advantage you could make it a bona fide plot point that given time and resources Riri can make a better suit in America than she can on short notice in Wakanda.

Wasn't the bad guy of the second Iron Man movie offered limitless amount of cash and resources just for being barely able to provide something resembling a functional iron man suit?
And I'm supposed to believe Riri is short on cash and possibilities?

>>149172696
>his endgoal wasn’t just saving all black people, it was conquering the world under Wakanda’s banner under the belief there was no other option.
It kinda happened since Wakanda has a monopoly of future nigga tech and it's soldiers just freely roam around, enforcing Wakanda's shit on everyone.

>>149174271
To be fair, Retard's Williams a WOC, so absolutely no one would take her genius seriously never mind that she steals and cheats

>>149174271
Do you think the writers of this show are MCU fans? I’d be amazed if they’ve seen Iron Man 2, much less considered the world-building implications.

I'm just waiting for the Mephisto clip. Do you think he'll be relevant in the future? Shame to waste him here

>>149175097
I sincerely doubt it. Riri maybe shows up in a big crossover movie, but she’s never getting enough of the spotlight to warrant referencing this slop again.

>>149153617 (OP)
Okay fine, I'll give it a try

>>149172411
Remind me what the current ant mans history is?

Is Rhodey going to show up in this?

>>149170259
>>149170338
Hi there, reddit!

>>149171551
https://youtu.be/UG1Yo6pQbdM?feature=shared
Man, this is incredibly fucking off-putting. Maybe it's just the thread we're in, but it feels like they're playing this as a goddamn MCU end-credits cameo.
Disgraceful.

>>149176080
Bum ass nigga gets gifted the tech of some guy who's wife cucked him for like 50 years only to have his shitty daughter be some ANTIFA retard that thinks saving half of the universe wasn't heroic enough. I don't watch the Made for DVDisney+ slop so my knowledge only extends to the movies so forgive me for not mentioning stuff from it.

>>149172997
see >>149169145

>>149170249
I am not from murrica but here the college/university will only take a minority stake in whatever IP/patent/product built by a student using grant/investments and/or resources from said College/University. Taking majority stake for something students built despite use of college money/resources would not be good optics which is why they dont take ownership of the whole thing

>>149169395
>Are the next 2 episodes her getting legally fucked over when the university rightfully claims ownership of the suit? The judgement against her will certainly be iconic.

The only repercussions so far were the AI in the suit was running on MIT infra and she gets blocked out of it since she is expelled

But she builds an AI from her brain scan which inadvertently takes shape as her dead friend since she was dreaming about her or some bullshit like that. The writing is bad in lot o places in the show

>>149169403
IMDB will remove a lot of the low ratings by calling it spam

>>149170226
>I think the defense force is just your average case of a fan feeling personally threatened when an aspect of their franchise is criticized and thus take it personal given their irrational identification to it. I've seen some really dumb shit where people don't understand context, motivations, nor intent. A lot of downplaying of Riri's bad choices even before she hooked up with The Hood

The show trying to portray her as flawed but the woke stuff is being incongruent with that

>>149170252
Post the comic pages of that

>>149170978
>Why does Riri think first responders can afford Iron Man suits on taxpayer salaries,
The government would pay or it i it was a tremendous improvement in operations and also saved money in the long term overall

>and why is she so retarded to think that people won't abuse this technology when put on the open market?
This is a valid point the show doesnt even bother addressing despite literally being a major plot point in Iron Man 2

>>149176386
I don't believe that's what I asked

Riri joining a criminal gang to fund her suit building is so retarded. She could easily raise funding or it and get thrown mad money by various investors. The show tries to address this by mentioning red tape / bureaucracies bullshit but who cares?

If the writers were actually competent then they would have written a believable reason or her urgency to get money for the suits. Like her needing money or a rare resource she needs from some shady dealer who is only gonna wait or sometime before he moves on to another buyer or something

>>149176589
You think the marvel universe is a place where governments are going to let regular people crowdfund powersuits?

>>149177557
Nta but again, Justin fucking Hammer proves you wrong about the MCU specifically. Technically, so does Tony Stark subsidising Iron Boy.

>>149177623
>Established industrialists can do what they want in record time
>A college student cannot
That's all it is

Does her armor being magic become relevant to the plot or does it just recolor her HUD?

>>149177656
>established industrialist
In every scene he appears in, Justin Hammer is consistently shown to be the least respected, most uncool person in the room.

>>149177623
"Justin Hammer" is a big time industrialist and even if his personal reputation is pathetic and laughable he still runs a defense contractor firm

>>149153617 (OP)
>spoiler
You have actual dogshit taste.

>>149153617 (OP)
This screams of some rich white woman, it's lazy as fuck. If they wanted to make a new character that is a black woman, put some fucking effort into it. Black panther at least was a proper character, and not some half assed clone of another with DEI headpatting.

>>149159644
>already have a likeable black Iron Man
>Armor Wars will never ever release
Really makes me think

>>149153617 (OP)
>she wants to make the Iron Man technology available to the public
These people are really trying to put Syndrome in the right?

>>149165934
Let this be real. It's so retarded.

>>149161261
To be fair sociopaths are necessary in a functioning society

>>149153617 (OP)
>It's pretty good, actually.

>>149177557
It would ideally involve DARPA fundig too. Tons of private defense companies get funded by investors without DARPA anyway

All the hamfisted social commentary was weird to see now that we're firmly leaving the woke era, but then I did some research and found out production started in 2018. No wonder there's so much thinly veiled seething at whitey.

>>149177852
Her armor isnt magic though...

>>149163396
She needs to be highly talented and an asshole because that's her character, I don't even watch the show but it seems basic enough

>>149171341
The part I hate most about the men being murder rapist episode, is I think I remember the protegonist's gay nephew, I think, is able to just, ignore the virus, and the whole virus was a placebo. It's the laziest twist I have ever seen, pissed me off so much when he said that line.

>>149178833
That’s the thing, though: The show wants you to think she is less of an answer than her actions make her by default.

>"The only reason Tony succeeded is because he was a privileged billionaire whyteboi!"
Did they even watch the first movie? Either way that is a retarded line and I don't want to watch another narcissistic girlboss. Nobody does, from the ratings.

>>149178875
The line perfectly fits with how poor black people think though

>>149178991
>Poor
She's at university on scholarship with funding. She could have taken her tech to any company or Wakanda to get infinite resources

>>149179005
>She could have taken her tech to any company

She apparently hates red tape / beuracracy involved in it or some bullshit like that

>or Wakanda to get infinite resources
Introducing her to Wakandans was a mistake.
The only reason I can think of Wakandans not helping her out is that they are occupied with more pressing domestic matters than to help an outsider with Wakandan tech

>>149179027
I don’t think Riri understands how the real world works and is actually fucking retarded like the writers behind this. You have to play ball and follow the rules of business/society to get where you want to go. Otherwise you’re just a dumb asshole getting in your own way

>Deliberately refusing to graduate MIT because she’s farming grant money to build this suit
…..Isn’t this fucking fraud? Of course she doesn’t have legal claim to the suit. Also she blames the “glitches” on inadequate funding? No, you’re just a failure at that point.

Who writes this crap?

>>149179095
>>Deliberately refusing to graduate MIT because she’s farming grant money to build this suit
Is that what she was doing?

Thats retarded since MIT would continue funding alumni projects and would line up more investors too for her in case they could not. The writers are just retarded and dont understand how grants/investments work

>>149179120
>Thats retarded since MIT would continue funding alumni projects
She specifically needs to steal from the Tony Stark Grants that are just for students to steal the tech.

>>149168811
bumping bump

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>>149179312
That's not as cringy as I thought that would be

But the show doesnt have toddler riri other than in a flashback montage

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>>149153617 (OP)
LOL its not good, like at all.

>>149165829
the sequence where the scooby doo gang are playing with the money and the money guns
it's one of the most repulsive things I've seen in my life

>>149176514
>This is a valid point the show doesnt even bother addressing despite literally being a major plot point in Iron Man 2
I've literally wasted more time online than I care to admit arguing with some dumbass over this very point. I ended up giving up because the dumbfuck refused to admit how much of a bad idea it is to make suits this common. I can't with these people

>>149153883
>It's nowhere near as bad as She-Hulk
I never understood this because She-Hulk was great but meme'd to death by youtubers. The worst thing about it was the first episode and it wasn't so bad.

>>149181092
You have legitimately abysmal taste and/or a contrarian retard.
Fuck off.

Gonna be honest, I just don't wanna watch it because I find the live action version of Riri unattractive while in the original run she was my type

>>149181099
Not him but no this is definitely worse than She-Hulk. I'm not rewatching She-Hulk nor do I pretend it's not without flaws, but this show legitimately pisses me off with the incompetent writing

>>149181099
sorry anon, I don't base my opinions on youtubers like y'all

>>149181136
No, it fucking isn't worse than She-Hulk you reactionary retard.
Ironheart is shit, She-Hulk is pure undistilled cancer. "Incompetent" at least implies there's some attempt at writing something compelling. She-Hulk doesn't even have that.
>>149181145
>the show can't just be garbage , m-m-muh youtubers
Shut the fuck up, retard.

How dare a black woman do anything? everyone knows black woman can't do fiction, unlike white men

>>149181183
>Shut the fuck up, retard.
lmao, crying and shitting unable to think for yourself

>>149181183
This isn't reactionary, I'm legitimately offended by how bad Ironheart is. She-Hulk, for as bad as it is, doesn't try to be anything than what it sells itself as. Yes its a bad comedy, but at least its honest. This fucking dogshit legitimately has the worst protagonist I've ever seen, and perpetually tries to push that this character is trying to do good for the world and will mold into a hero. Your personal hang ups are your own, which is fine.

>>149181209
>im le such a free-thinker, I will eat trash and pretend it's gold
Typical contrarian retard.

I know it's insane and won't happen for obvious reasons but what if they just said fuck it and made her a villain? Doesn't that fix most of the problems with the show if we drop any delusion that this is a hero's story or that she's a good person?

I don't get this character. Why show her have to cheat and take shortcuts just to try and emulate Tony?
Shouldn't they try to make her seem like she's more capable than Tony?

>>149181233
>doesn't try to be anything than what it sells itself as
See, that's exactly why it's much worse than Ironheart and every other capeshit I have ever seen, honestly.
She-Hulk had good books, she had good stories and good writers. The show could have and should have been so much more, but no you had to have the Rick and Morty cunt who doesn't even like superhero comics (which she made very clear during that shitty finale), Zeb the cuck Wells and Cody Faglar shit it all up.
Ironheart was never ever good. She's a shit character. She never stood a chance for anything above this. What else do you expect from a Bendis' OC? Quality?
And speaking of "legitimately offended". I find THIS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czBI3wbyaxo
to be infinitely more offensive than anything in this mediocre zombie MCU slop so far. And I'm not even gonna touch how the villains are "redditors/4chan users who were mean to writers"

>>149181186
If they had chosen a black woman who could “do fiction”, it would be evident in the quality of the show. Since the black woman they chose can’t “do fiction”, it is safe to assume she was selected for some other reason. Diversity, equity, and inclusion, most likely. The problem with selecting for equity is that capable people don’t need equity to succeed, and equity can’t make the incompetent competent.

>>149181269
The entire thing doesn't make sense
>Wants to build a suit because her deceased stepdad liked Iron Man, and believes no one will give a shit about other amazing achievements unless its aping Iron Man's gimmick
>Not interested in graduating MIT, nor getting a tech job of any kind. States she's "bigger" than all of that shit
>Says you can only achieve an Iron Man armor by having a shit ton of money and resources despite the fact that Iron Man 1 literally proves this wrong
>Doesn't seem to understand that by playing by the rules and having actual business thought process can get you where you need to be instead of defaulting to fucking crime
Bitch, what do you even want? You want to be famous for.....making a suit just to say that you did it? That's not even "iconic", as the writers keep pressing. It's been done, we've had it for years. Why do you even want recognition? You can't even say she wants big money because she could have easily done that a 100 different ways given her intellect.

This all reads like a half baked idea that the writers themselves didn't even think through. They just had her say random shit like "iconic" and how great she supposedly is without any sense of context

OMG LE WOOOOOOOKE!!!!!!!!!

>>149181358
You do you, but I still hate this more. Bad adaptions come and go, nothing new here. I'm more aggravated that something that didn't deserve a film budget in the first place got greenlit, pushed in our faces, and then we have to go through the same old song and dance of why it's supposedly good and how everyone naysaying is a fucking strawman. Fuck Ironheart and everyone behind it

>>149179312
That'a pretty good actually.

>>149181429
>the same old song and dance of why it's supposedly good and how everyone naysaying is a fucking strawman.
That's just Bendis' adaptations.
The number of times I got called racist/sexist for hating Spiderverse movies and Jessica Jones series respectively is staggering by now.

>>149181256
Sorta. It wouldn't excuse the writing around things not Riri, but selfishness motivation would smooth over several plot beats for her.

>>149181269
The show ultimately fails to properly contextualize Riri. Tony was a smug, arrogant prick prior to becoming Iron Man because he was the golden child who never once took a knock, so his capture and imprisonment caused a major worldview shift. With Riri I feel the writers failed to recognize the obvious route in that Riri is supposed to be a teenager, a group categorized by poor impulse control. lack of long-term planning, and sense of invulnerability. But they keep trying to paint her objectively poor choices as being driven by some noble cause instead of some kid not equipped to fully grasp the consequences of her actions. And that's actually a very real issue with genius kids, people think that because they're smart they're tiny adults when in reality their psychological development stays the same as any other person their age, and that can massively fuck them up.

>>149181537
I don't even know how anyone, even Riri, can call her goal of providing armored suits to first responders as noble or even responsible. We've had several fucking arcs about why Tony Stark didn't do this!

Let me put it that way.
I wanted a good She-Hulk show because I love She-Hulk. Particularly under Byrne, Steve Gerber or even Peter David (RIP). The quality of that terrible show would've been offensive to me even if it was simply bad like, I dunno, CW's Supergirl? But even that has more going for it compared to She-Hulk.
This is just Naomi 2.0 Marvel edition (surely it will work this time around!). A character you'd have to pay me to care about. The show could have a scene of the lead character take it up the ass from Kingpin on-screen in all the gruesome detail while repeatedly calling her a nigger and it won't matter because you're not exactly ruining a character or a story anybody has ever been invested in.

>>149179312
As we can see here, she was never a good person.

>>149181594
The Rescue suit was canonically designed for first-responders so it's not like Tony hasn't had that idea before. But in the context of the argument I'm making a flying armored suit for first responders that can have them move through fires without harm or lift tons of rubble off people is the exact kind of shit a 15yo would think of while not bothering to realize that a single suit would cost multiple years worth of operating budget, you could break down the tech into far more effective equipment, it wouldn't be that useful most of the time, and you'd have foreign governments trying to steal them to reverse engineer.

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>>149181092
I actually liked the first episode and found rest of the episodes shit except or the DD one which is not even canon now

>>149181932
>and you'd have foreign governments trying to steal them to reverse engineer.
See this isn't as big of a deal in Marvel Comics these days since everyone can pretty much make a super suit with the right budget since Stark paved a way for the science. They have much bigger concerns anyway. The problem here in film is that it's still very much a big deal and an issue the world isn't ready to address. Riri is fucking retarded to think the public sector is going to have it exclusively and doesn't seem to be concerned about the new arms race she's feeding.

THIS IS LITERALLY THE FUCKING PLOT OF ARMOR WARS AND WE ARE STILL WONDERING WHY THAT WASNT DONE INSTEAD

I wanted to see She-Hulk not a bitchy unlikable Karen.
I wanted to see Titania not "influencer"
I wanted to see Abomination not a generic hippie whose supposed "character development" was completely offscreen and he barely resembles a character I cared about in the 2008 movie outside of being played by the same actor
I wanted to see the Wrecking Crew not powerless DYEL redditors who are beaten in less than a minute
I wanted a show that has actual entertainment value, action and fun and isn't a thinly-veiled therapy session for the writers. Particularly for Zeb Wells because fuck him.
>>149182233
The first episode was pretty shit and "we couldn't have Bruce save Jen, that's sexist so we'll come up with ass-backwards convoluted way for her to get her powers" mindset is the single most retarded thing I have ever heard, shit but without the gift of hindsight it seemed like there's potential for growth and improvement. Should've known better.
Potential setup for Jan to become a better person? Lol. Lmao.
Titania? She's just attacking a courthouse because reasons.
Setup for Hulk blood being bad? Let's make it into a "joke" that was a waste of time in the end.
The show took every opportunity to do anything interesting that the first episode provided and flushed it down the toilet.

>>149182304
According to leaks I read some months ago, Armor Wars wasn't even going to adapt Armor Wars. No idea why.

The actress is just too ugly

>>149182304
Again, this is all shit that would have worked if the show made it clear that beneath it all Riri is still an immature teenager who is also a genius. Like I said, the series has a context problem.

Also we're not getting Armor Wars because it'd be expensive as fuck and Cheadle is looking pretty rough at 60.

>>149182399
I dont even think the immature teenager trope would work because they're annoying as fuck and that implies a character arc of growing up

>>149178811
>he hasn’t seen the leaks

>>149182216
Holy kek

>>149153617 (OP)
It's on par with today's MCU. To put it shortly,
>Protagonist is unsympathetic, uncharming, and unwitty, possessing zero redeeming qualities to endear you to her despite her personality flaws like Tony did
>Every supporting character is boring and has nothing to offer towards Riri's development nor the themes the story wishes to explore
>It simply lacks the style and elegance and thrill you want from a premier superhero story
Overall, it's unrecoverable shit. It insults its audience with low grade messaging and reinforces the theory that somewhere near the top of the executive hierarchy people are deliberately trying to worsen race/gender relations.

>>149181092
She-Hulk was bad.

Can't be worse than the first Iron Man movie.

>>149181186
Name the last book by a black woman you read

>>149182951
Leaks? It's in the fucking trailer.