Thread 149167776

Who has the worst ones?

>>149167776 (OP)
Firestorm

>>149167776 (OP)
Ezekiel Stane. This guy's so lame he doesn't even have a supervilllain name.

>>149167776 (OP)
The recurring rogues gallery is one of the aspects of cape comics that brings down the genre.

>>149167776 (OP)
Iron man is the correct answer. The only villains of his I like are the crimson dynamo and living laser

>>149167776 (OP)
All of them.

>>149167776 (OP)
Green Arrow

>>149168181
this is the real and proper answer, iron man has the worst ones.

>>149168117
Some of the guys drawn here appeared only only had one story going up against Iron Man or like a 30+ year gap where someone probably found them looking through a reference book and threw them in as fodder.

>>149167776 (OP)
Wonder woman
>but she has-
Redeemed and not a villain
>the cool one is-
Only had one appearance
>there's still-
Ans when was the last time that one was used in a good story?

Let's not kid ourselves, Wonder Woman has Cheetah, and that's about it.

>>149167776 (OP)
Spider-Man and it's not even close

>>149169872
clearly ahead of Iron Man

>>149169895
Retard

>>149169129
Faggot

>>149167776 (OP)
Superman, he's got two types of villains with a very few of odd ones (most don't get used anyway)
>Generic big bulky alien
>Superman...BUT EVIL!
>>149167797
Close second

>>149169872
Egg-Fu > Mandarin

>>149170015
Who is the "officially someone else's enemy, but he's popular and fights everyone so I'm going to borrow him for important stories" spot like Dr. Doom?

>>149169141
Strong contender. There's a reason they stole half of Batman's rogues gallery for the TV show.

>>149167776 (OP)
Thought about this when the upcoming series was initially announced: what fucking villains does Wonder Man have? Name one that isn't Grim Reaper or someone carried over from the Avengers.

>>149167897
Marvel anime straight up just calls him Iron Monger

Strong

>>149170763
He's usually a team guy, so that doesn't seem that important to have a bunch of people aiming for your head.

>>149170800
Sure, but he also had a solo book in the 90s that went for like 30 issues or thereabouts.

>>149167776 (OP)
For a character as beloved by /co/ as he is, Nova really doesn't have much going for him in the villain department. It probably doesn't help that after becoming Nova Prime, none of his old foes bar the Sphinx would be able to hang with him anyway.

>>149170005
No

>>149167776 (OP)
Spawn,the only memorable ones are Violator and maybe Redeemer

>>149167776 (OP)
Supreme, before Allan Moore.

>>149167776 (OP)
The recurring rogue's gallery is an aspect of cape GOLD that elevates the genre.

>>149170337
Darkseid and Vandal Savage.

>>149167776 (OP)
Are there more images like this for other characters?

>>149172574
Type in Dave Bardin rogues gallery into Google

>>149172645
Thanks.

>>149170005
>metallo
>parasite
>braniac
>mr myxzptlk
>lex luthor
>intergang
>toyman
>ultra-humanite
not including his many, many B-list gimmick villains like atomic skull, he still has a lot of different villains
hell, his villains are pretty wide ranging, with normal humans, magic users, mad scientists, aliens, and freak lab accidents all being included

>Superman...BUT EVIL!
he does have a lot of those, but they are pretty different from each other
no one is mistaking bizzaro for hank henshaw
and its "me but evil" is fairly common for other superheroes as well, spider-man has at least 3

>>149170337
they have tried doing that with Maxwell Lord I guess, with disastrous results

>>149167776 (OP)

Daredevil has been around sixty years and the villain he's most associated with is a second tier Spider-Man villain.

>>149173950
Speaking of which...

>>149174059
>>149173950
Bullseye is still good. And Typhoid Mary also is good even if she was out of his range for a while.

>>149168117
shut up

>>149169872
at any time wonder woman can tap into the greek pantheon. if it's the worst villain roster it at least has an escape hatch.

>>149167776 (OP)
Iron Man's really are completely wretched.

>>149176109
Why

>>149176109
I actually like the ones that are just other dudes in high-tech suits.

>>149177060
Titanium Man should get more use, I genuinely like that he's essentially a blunt instrument even with upgrades and advancement compared to Tony plus his characterisation is pretty good in the Civil War Prelude issue where he fights Spider-Man.

>>149174059
Death-Stalker needs more love. I also think Matador is one of the few cases where replacing them with a hot chick would be a benefit.

>>149176147
Nobody remembers any of them.

>>149177151
Shado, Merlyn and Onomatopoeia put Green Arrow above Iron Man.

>>149177512
I mean that's a lie considering there's Ironman Armoured Adventures, toylines and just a basic internet search to show who they are even if you aren't a comic reader.

>>149177759
I don't see how that disputes the post you're replying to.

>>149169872
She has the best villains

>>149169895
If we're counting just new stuff then every character belongs itt

>>149177848
maybe use basic thought instead of letting me do all the work for you

>>149167776 (OP)
Seriously the worst is Nova from Marvel and the Atom from DC.
Chronos/Dwarstar and The Sphinx/Garthan Saal are okay.
But after them all the villains suck

>>149178734
I'm not using my brain to use 4chan are you kidding me

>>149178897
If they're throwing in the likes of the centipede guy, they should've added the Duke Of Deception and The Earl Of Greed.

>>149178734
>nobody remembers these characters
>that's not true, you can google them
???

>>149179355
Duke of Deception is on there. He’s the old bald guy under Zeus in the 2nd row.
This was Duke’s true form in the golden age.

>>149167776 (OP)
Am I blind?
I don’t see Madame Masque, Ultimo or the Controller on here at all.

>>149179739
Madame is under the samurai guy
Controller is on Crimson Cowl's left I think

>>149167776 (OP)
>>Thanos first appearance is in Iron Man comics. But he’s not on the rogues gallery.
Sadge.
>>149179785
Thanks

>>149168117
Fuck off Feige

>>149177151
There's a bunch of ayylmaos I've never heard of before

>>149178897
so many randos and so many missing

>>149177060
They work well against him

>>149179980
Only Veronica Cale is missing from her top 25 villains.

>>149180378
Ah yes, Batman's greatest enemy...video camera.
Who's the white chick next to Scarecrow?

>>149180440
Sofia Falcone

>>149179682
Not exactly emblematic I'm used to seeing him with the helmet. .

>>149180532
Writers need to start using Anthesis and Gargoyle rather than keep overusing Deathstroke and Trigon

>>149171437
This right here.
No newly created comics superhero can last these days without making a good rogues gallery.

>>149179739
For some reason the "artist" used all the first appearance versions so they're barely recognizable.

>>149167776 (OP)
Wonder Woman. Her rogue's gallery is pure ass, especially after 80+ years and being one of the most famous characters in all of comics.

>>149181557
Her rogues gallery kicks ass!

With how often I keep seeing these threads, maybe Iron Man is Marvel's Wonder Woman.

>>149181994
What does that even mean?

>>149183889
One of the overdone threads asks "Who is Marvel's Wonder Woman?", which usually get engagement since it doesn't specify if that means with main woman hero of the setting, amount of solo stories, similar powerset/abilities, theme, creator liking bondage, or whatever they dislike about Wonder Woman as the point of comparison. Both Iron Man and Wonder Woman get a bunch of threads complaining about their enemies being lame, so that could also be an answer.

>>149184050
Captain America is Marvel's Wonder Woman, it's official now in the crossover

>>149181557
>>149181880
>>149181994
Wonder Woman's villains may not be the greatest but they are definitely leagues above Iron Man's villains

>>149184234
That would be saying Deadpool is the counterpart to Batman!

>>149179105
Didn't know she had unique villains

>>149184234
It’s because Steve Rogers reminds Diana of Steve Trevor.

>>149184554
Why aren’t you reading Spider-Gwen anon?

Does hulk even have any villains outside of like, the leader and abomination? Red hulk I guess?

>>149185298
the u-foes

>>149185298
Yes

>>149185514
Constrictor debuted in a Hulk book?!

>>149185514
Imagine being Psyklop. Not even important enough to appear on a bunch of heads.

>>149185556
Yes. Compared to Wolverine he didn't really get the perception of being tough from association, probably because he's just a guy outside the coils.

>>149179498
even without using google there's media that actually has used them so people are somewhat familiar with his villains like Stane, Justin Hammer, Whiplash, Blizzard or Crimson Dynamo.

>>149184234
that can't be the case, people actually like and remember Captain America's villains.

>>149185657
I like Constrictor, shame his son that took his mantle after cancer and Spencer killed him is inferior on every level.

Nightwing EASILY has the worst villains out of any long running DC hero.

>b-but Wonder Woman
Diana at least has the bare minimum of many of her villains reflecting HER lore and mirroring HER ideals, even if most of them are used like shit outside her title or not used at all.

>Ares
war/deception vs peace/truth
>Veronica Cale
shallow girlboss "it's all about ME" feminism
>Cheetah
archeologist/cursed by gods/beast vs remnant of ancient civilization/blessed by gods/beauty
>Dr Psycho
misogyny/deception vs feminism/truth
>Circe
misanthropy/sees her powers as putting her above mankind vs love/sees her powers as a responsibility to help others

>b-but Green Arrow
It's REALLY close but Brick > Blockbuster and Merlyn > any of Dick's shitty assassins.
Also Count Vertigo and Ninth Circle are the bare minimum of taking Ollie's ideals and twisting them as they are both rich evil bitches with Ollie as the archetypal Robin Hood.

Dick doesn't really have any villains like that beyond Nitewing and Tarantula being bastardizations of eager sidekicks and James Jr (unimposing/off putting/introverted/sociopath vs charming/extroverted/compassionate/good looking). And Nitewing sucked and shouldn't come back, Tarantula is too poisoned as a character, and James Jr got taken by Babs.

Titans is the team with the worst rogue gallery by far.

Taylor's Titans killed me because Brother Eternity should've just been a leader of a new space/scifi cult instead of taking over Church of Blood, Necrostar should've just been a different shape to avoid being a direct Starro ripoff, the Amazo ripoff shouldn't have existed, and Dr Hate shouldn't have been Raven.

They were so close to have 3 new villains unaffiliated with prior shit but then DC kept connecting them to old shit.

>>149180532
>>149180788
They need to use Titans of Myth too

>>149181533
SEX WITH CIRCE

>>149180378
>all of the clayfaces
peam
>gentleman ghost, clock king, onomatopoeia
what a thief

>>149185298
Unresolved daddy abuse trauma.

>>149186441
is flash the hero with the biggest number of "Evil me" villains out there?

>>149178897
How could they forget Doctor Domino?

>>149184554
Barely, almost all of them are just warped versions of existing heroes (she fights evil versions of heroes a lot, for some reason) and villains.

>>149167797
Firestorm's villains see far more use than he does. Killer Frost is a more successful character than him.

>>149177531
Merlyn is a dogshit nothing character and Onomatopoeia is a joke.

>>149185514
Come on dude, you totally had room to put Galaxy Master on there.

>>149186441
Redpill me on Iron Man villains?

>>149189219
>chinese stereotype
>token evil love interest
>a bunch of guys in robots
That's it

>>149170005
>most don't get used anyway)
Right who's ever heard of Lex Luthor or Myxzptlk or Brainiac

Totally unused just because they're not big bulky aliens or Superman... BUT EVIL

>>149167776 (OP)
It's weird you posted Iron Man when there's another Iron-named-hero who just recently got a show and has been around for 9 years, with no villains of note. Nine fucking years.

>>149167776 (OP)
Flash, every other guy is just another speedster or dumb retarded shit like Gorilla Grodd. Green Arrow is also a close second

>>149189315
This severely downplays "evil businessman" which is also a major archetype

>>149189619
Ironheart? she's barely a solo character, only works as a team player or in supporting cast

>>149189619
Heroes created after the late 00s don't usually get a big attempt at creating rogue galleries like the older heroes did. I think writers saw how a lot of the villains created and pushed in the 90s to late 00s were treated (usually killed/jobbed/ignored once your run was over) so they usually don't bother and save their better villain ideas for more established heroes in hopes they'll catch on there.
Instead most of those newer heroes just have other heroes as their cast and most of their conflict comes from personal problems or from villains who are there for 2-3 issues before getting defeated with quickness.

Hawkman has a surprisingly decent and varied one when writers remember he has villains and don't give them to Batman.

>Shadow Thief
>Hath-Set
>Gentleman Ghost

And the lesser known ones like
>Fadeaway Man
>Count Viper
>Nyola

It's funny to me that Grossology has a more defined and varied rogues gallery then most new super heroes in comics have these past 15 years

>>149189973
Grossology can't rely on existing bad guys in the setting, so that isn't surprising.

>>149185298
Theoretically yes but after those two it's like a massive gap to guys like Tyrannus.

>>149190034
yeah but still that's a varied, fun and kooky rogues gallery with some being just one shot foes. It's crazy to me that current comic writers don't even bother, like the only to try is Dan Slott with his run of Spider-boy surprisingly.

>>149190045
Since at least the 1970s, there have working have mentioned avoiding using their best ideas/preferring to work with existing villains when possible since the company would own them anyway. By now, that has become severe, especially since the current meta is new heroes to fish for adaptation money. Villains are far less likely to get used that way.

>>149190070
suppose that makes sense but still a major shame.

What makes a good rogue gallery to all of you?

Certain number of villains? Powers made to combat the hero? All of the villains being a mirror to the hero (backstory/morals/personality/etc wise)?

>>149190119
Probably having them be a mixture. Different motivations, abilities, threat level, degree of personalness to the hero, and so on. Generally if a story involving two different ones happens, it should make different results as a result of what they do normally. Spider-Man is probably the best example I can think of.

>>149190119
Tbh the bare minimum for a good rogue gallery is 2-3 good characters who occasionally show up and 2-3 ok ones who occasionally show up.
If you don’t have that you just end up like Nightwing where he has one or two mediocre villains who show up occasionally (namely Blockbuster and Talon) but ultimately your rogue gallery is filled with jobbers who show up in one run and get ignored by everybody else.

But ultimately variety is what makes it good. You need some mirror villains, you need your petty personal vendetta villains, your need the horny/homoerotic villain, you need the villains to stand out visually and power wise. And it helps if the villains themselves have the ability to work in different environments and stories, because if they don’t they risk being a one trick pony like Mr Freeze.

>>149177151
This one is pulling more from the tv show than the comics

>>149190119
I think a good rogues gallery is a few things. Is there good variety in the villains? How many are memorable? Can you plug most of these characters into a comic and get a good, enjoyable or fun story out of them? That's a reason Spider-Man's is put on such a pedestal. You have the big guns of course but even his lower level villains tend to be memorable or have a few fun stories. You can get a good Goblin or Ock story and you can get good stories out of guys like Slyde or Chamce. Not all of his villains are winners (there's losers like the Fly or Cyclone) but overall it's a good, varied and entertaining.

>>149190119
>Cool designs
>Individuality
>Chemistry
>Appropriate threat variety
>Personality (this is especially important not only for how they interact with the hero but possibility toward each other as well)
Villains with the same powers are boring
Villains with the same motivations are boring
Villains who are all the same levels of power are boring
I like American Dragon but Jake's rogues gallery pale in comparison to contemporaries like Ben and Danny's.
Just compare how all three shows handled circus freaks as antagonists.

>>149190119
>Cool designs
>Individuality (i.e. different motives)
>Appropriate threat variety
>Chemistry (this is especially important not only for how they interact with the hero but possibility toward each other as well)
Villains with the same powers are boring
Villains with the same motivations are boring
Villains who are all the same levels of power and threat are boring
I like American Dragon but Jake's rogues gallery pale in comparison to contemporaries like Ben and Danny's partially for reasons listed above.
For example compare how all three shows handled circus freaks as antagonists and you could easily see Jake's show's interpretation being the weakest one of the bunch.

Why do DC villains usually stay a distinct part of a hero's rogues gallery while except maybe for Spider-Man and X-Men's, they mostly just fight random ones?

>>149190833
I think part of it is because DC's a patchworked clusterfuck universe while Marvel was built from the ground-up in comparison
It's something Waid has discussed as the fundamental different between the two

>>149190838
It's also part of the interconnectedness. Rhino might be a Spider-Man villain but he could just as easily tangle with the Hulk or whatever. It helped tap into the idea that the MU was this grand, living thing when you might see Shocker throw down with Daredevil while the Fantasticar zips off in the sky.

>>149168181
>>149169323
I really don't know why it's such an ongoing /co/ meme that Iron Man has the worst rogues gallery of any Marvel hero, when he actually has a lot of really solid mid-tier supervillains, it's just nobody since the 80s really uses them for anything anymore.

Heroes like Hulk, Daredevil and Doctor Strange are in a worse situation where their rogues gallery is frontloaded with a few big villains, but there's not many other notable bad guys after them. Iron Man's rogues gallery is as good as say, Captain America's, it's just nobody uses any of them much. The problem is the absolute state of Iron Man writers, not the villains.

>>149170820
Anon, look up who wrote that solo book, and what happened to him. They're unlikely to want to adapt any characters or stories from the only notable Wonder Man solo run, which makes him an odd choice of character to make a show about.

>>149185556
So did Boomerang, IIRC.

>>149191125
Killer Shrike to, surprised they never did an issue where the 3 team up to have another go at Hulk.

>>149171416
>Supreme, before Allan Moore.
He had a different Lex Luthor expy, and Khrome was based, but died in his first story. But I guess Supreme did seem to spend a lot more of his time fighting other heroes, or villains from other books.

>>149191102
>Tony's rogue gallery is really good I promise
>just nobody ever writes them
ok

>>149191145
Anon, it's been decades of Iron Man runs where he seems to spend more time fighting other heroes or OC villains, and his archenemy hardly showed up anymore, then got Franked for being 'problematic'. You have no idea how bad things really are.

>>149177151
Honestly I think green arrow is a good example of why rogues rankings doesnt really work. Since his best comics are usually the random crimes/one offs.

>>149191145
that is genuinely the problem though, Ironman Armoured Adventures alone shows that they can work and be a fun array of bad guys if even utilized.

>>149190434
No.
If it was, there would be more other people’s villains on here than Catman, Prometheus and Deathstroke

>>149190833
Cause they’re different companies

What no She-Hulk one?
It would just be Titania & Elephant man

>>149192388
Good news: Marvel agrees with you.

>>149192589
Ew why does she have stink lines?

>>149192589
Dan Slott isn't Marvel.

Daredevil has the likes of Jester and Purple Man in his rogues gallery, so his is the worst by default.

>>149185298
do you even tyrannus read hulk 1969-2004

>>149177151
Some couldn't be found even with Google