Thread 149183954

Was it a genuinely great moment or were they jumping the shark?

>>149183954 (OP)
>the woman I love
Where was MJ during this

>>149183954 (OP)
The former

>>149183954 (OP)
Depends on how you view it

If you give a shit about Marvel characters changing and growing, it's a genuinely great moment

If you're one of those people who think characters needed to stay "evergreen" then this would be a jump the shark moment.

sick & tired of spider-man and associated schizos

>>149183969
Holy shit you're a new fag

>>149183980
I always laugh whenever this is posted

>>149183969
That's an awful lot you got in that average-sized gif.

>>149184064
>an awful lot
You mean a fairly small amount.

>>149184092
fatty

>>149183980
Look at her go!

>>149184001
Funny how the starting point was the opposite since it was thought to lead to a married Peter going forward, but ended up making him grow up more in the process.

>>149183969
>Where was MJ during this
doing her own thing. it was felicia that got him over it. until that was retconned.

>>149183954 (OP)
Garbage.

In the grand scheme of things, killing Gwen wasn't really necessary. I think that's why they keep bringing her back in one way or another.

>>149183980
There should be another collage of times Peter has to save someone else as an obvious reference to Gwen's death.

>>149184205
They keep bringing her back because she and her death became iconic for Spider-Man and therefore harder for writers and editors to not milk. That's why it's almost always about her death and rarely anything else about her.

I am currently rereading the comic and I am genuinly glad it happened cause Gwen was a pain to read about. Peter also wasnt too effected by it. Green Goblin did him a favour cause he was genuinly spending 80% of his time being in a relationship with Gwen being miserable.

>>149183980
SNIBEDI SNAB

Japan did it better.

>>149183980
Now I'm wishing Spectacular gets a season 3 just to see their take on this scene added to the collage.

>>149184856
Their take on The Clone Saga would be Ghost-Spider's origin.
>Gwen Stacy is dead . . . I'm her Ghost.

>>149184433
Shit art, but this was 1,000 times more powerful.

>>149185124
>Shit art
Eat shit in Hell.

>>149183969
>the absolute state of MJ-fags
You faggots deserve Paul

>>149185168
I don’t know if it was a natural process of drawing Devilman over and over again or concepts from working on the show, which was much more humanoid.
But Devilman never looked this animalistic again.

>>149184856
Greg said Gwen would've lived

>>149184433
>>149185124
>this was 1,000 times more powerful.
Nah.
Clean and subtle > gory and in-your-face.

>>149185490
You don’t read comics though

>>149185553
>Clean and subtle > gory and in-your-face.
Why?

>>149184433
>>149185490
Shut the fuck up.
>>149185168
When will your kind learn that nobody else gives a fuck about your animes and mangas BUT you?

>>149185553
>>149184433
>>149183954 (OP)
Two radically different moments you stupid niggers.
1. Is Peter learning that his responsibilities endanger his loved ones, the point is honed in so much so that HE directly and no one else is responsible for Gwens death.
2. Miki's death on the otherhand is the final breaking point that humanity is self destructive. THEY killed her not Akira, to drive the point home right after her death humanity is destroyed, the world crumbles, and Akira dies while Ryo realizes he destroyed everything he ever loved and is trapped in an eternal loop of realizing he can love only to have it taken away by God because he can't stop being autistic.
Two RADICALLY different scenes retards.

>>149183954 (OP)
Yes.

>>149183980
What if he saved her?

>>149183969
Peter and MJ only started dating after Gwen's death, they were just close friends then. plus, she secretly knew his identity

>>149188870
There's actually a What If story about that.

>>149183954 (OP)
This may be an unpopular opinion, but dying was probably the most interesting thing Gwen Stacy ever did in my eyes.

>>149191015
>unpopular
You'd be surprised.

>>149183980
She... Didnt fly too good...

FACT: if Paul was Spider-Man, Gwen would've survived.

>>149183980
Be fair, anon, there's one other important thing about classic Gwen.

>>149191074
Jesus, that face. They intentionally made the guy look so punchable, didn't they?

>>149191061
>First one to talk gets to stay on my bridge!

>>149191237
This is the face of God.

>>149191260
You truly are a sad, deranged, pitiable little man.

>>149191270
It's Paulin' time.

>>149191270
Stop giving them attention.

>>149191293
>them
Figures it would be a troon.

>>149191445
Every man is a woman when compared to the embodiment of pure manliness that is Paul.

>>149183980
What the fuck is that black blob covering the panels?

>>149191759
Look closer.

>>149184433
What is this?

>>149191865
https://youtu.be/BLXq9D0RuGw

>>149190271
Didn't they have another recent one where she lived but Peter died in the process?

I miss when What-Ifs were allowed to be fun. Most had pretty dark or bad endings but they were fun reads.

>>149183954 (OP)
These are the 4 nails in spider-man coffin:

clone saga 90s
sins of the past
OMD
spider-verse


la saga clon
pecados del pasado
un dia más
spiderverso

>>149192697
At least Clone Saga had some interesting ideas even if the reason why and execution was bad.

Paul is such a chad

>>149192947
Paul will punish Peter the fraud, MJ the traitor and Dylan the ingrate.

>>149183954 (OP)
I dunno, Marvel can't seem to make her stay dead.

>>149184205
>I think that's why they keep bringing her back in one way or another.
They kinda don't? Aside from like Spider-gwen who is so divorced from the original concept that she's just a completely different thing, it was only recently that they really started honing in on it

>>149191865
Devilman, good manga.

>>149183980
Would've she died if she hit the water instead?

>>149183980
its really funny to me that up until shockingly recently people thought you would just die from falling. like you'd die before hitting the ground just from falling. stupid as shit.

I don’t read comics but this is one of the few moments that has reached the non-comic sphere of awareness (and I’m talking before it was in a movie) so it must be worthwhile to some degree.

>>149185533
He also said the death would have happened in a DTV movie taking place well after college. Weisman says a lot of shit that he never follows through on.

>>149193228
Isn't there an expression along the lines of "it isn't the fall that kills you, it is the landing"? I think you are lying.

For something to be a shark jump moment, the stories that follow have to be worse. Spider-Man remained a quality title for nearly two decades after this issue for the most part, so it wasn't.

>>149183954 (OP)
>>149183980

>>149193385
It does dip, but that is years down and gets better. If anything, Team-up is where the bunch of dubious stories happen.

>>149193189
Most likely. She was falling headfirst, and at that height, depending on how much speed you've built up, it would feel like hitting concrete.

>>149193565
MJ chads keep winning

>>149183954 (OP)
Something actually happening in a comic book instead of status quo slop?

>>149183969
Canonically, hiding evidence that Gwen had cheated on Peter and had Norman Osborn's babies after she got Harry hooked on drugs, which sent the Green Goblin on a rampage in the first place, also throughout the Death of Gwen Stacy, MJ is in full blown hoe mode trying to hook up with Peter even tho she's with Harry

>>149183954 (OP)
This has been undone she is no longer dead. In addittion to this it turns out she is a mutant

>>149193973
Sins past is no longer canon due to Spencer dumbass.

>>149195258
*yawn* old news old chap

>>149195199
From MJ's perspective it still happened, she just didn't know, she still hid the fact that Gwen had kids away from Peter

>>149195351
I know. Just reminding Gwen's #1 fan that his sweet Gwendy never existed.

>>149195258
Wrong Gwen character ol chap. There's a 616 Gwenpool now who is Gwen Stacy and a mutant

>>149191015
>t. Gerry Conway

Gwen was a non-character written in a one dimensional way. But then you could say that about many characters. Spider-Man, like most comics, was a disposable form of entertainment with a short creative turn around. Gimmicks have always been used to boost sales and Marvel were successful in no small part to their gimmicks. The problem is that one successful gimmick is often reused e.g. every single Marvel superhero early on was misunderstood because people related to it and Stan kept repeating the line about "the world outside your window". So while it was a shocking moment that did have some change, it was also opening the door to a bunch of gimmicks and repetition. And in many ways a lot of comic book stories that are iconic or recommended aren't good per se, but infamous for the cultural change, hence why people think Death of Gwen Stacey is part of the transition away from the Silver Age.

>>149195558
And she's about to be Cosmic Cube'd into an evil composite clone of Spider-Gwen and Gwen Pole.

>>149192054
That was atrocious, she took up the spider-man mantle despite hating him in all of her appearances up to that point and blaming him for her father’s death. And in spite of not having any powers. The fucking USM show put more effort into her being a non-powered spider hero

>>149195497
Yes you are right Earth-65 Gwen Stacy/Spider-Gwen never existed she was just a illusion made by Earth-6160 Gwen alas Mysterio. thus only she and 616 Gwen are the only Gwen's who ever existed.

>>149195774
sauce?

>>149193565
you forgot
>addicted to paul's cock

>>149196115
>paul
>cock