How do you differentiate an emo girl from a goth girl?

Stop spamming ICS threads.

measure how wide her asshole's been gaped
if it's still tight, she's an emo
if there's a subway tunnel back there, you've got a goth

>>149197969 (OP)
>I CANT SLEEP MR OFFICER I CANT SLEEP I DIDNT KNOW THE $20 I SPENT AT HOT TOPIC WAS FAKE

Is it one particular autist trying to force a perpetual general for this?

>>149198095
Every problem ever stems from a single dedicated autist.

This is a goth/emo thread, so start posting your favorites!

Captcha: ASSAS

>>149197989
quit whining, you're nobody's janitor so if you don't like a thread, ignore it instead of complaining like a child

>>149198157
Or maybe they're someone that like Nia threads and doesn't want some autismo driving it into the ground and making discussion for it worse just because they can't stand a single second where there isn't a thread for some niche web series.

>>149198208
it's not that hard to scroll past a thread if you're that bothered by it, sounds like a (you) mental problem if you want to create melodrama about it

>>149198210
How do Nia earn money to pay for food? Do she even have a job?

>>149198244
Careful anon, you'll make the trolls defensive about their hate

>>149198244
cool so we can ignore and let it die? nice

>>149198594
>we
no, (You) leave

Feed her with burgers.

>>149198290
i wanna buy food for nia

>>149198353
i guess you could say she's the goat

>>149198353
>hair stops at her thighs
Gay

>>149197969 (OP)
There's a number of stylistic differences but some overlap in that regard as well. Most of the difference is music-related

emo girls are inhuman, goth girls are just wannabes

>>149199240
I prefer scene girls

>>149197969 (OP)
Hatred turned outwards vs hatrd turned inwards. Goths hate the world Emos think th world hates them.

>>149199272
Any notable scene girl beside Dem?

>>149199282
Lacey and Kris from coffin romantic

>>149199282
I mean this I guess. For this one moment.
>>149199430
Is Lacey scene? I mean, I'm not sure she'd be anything else.

How would Nia and other characters even sound like?

>>149199462
Eugh take this buzzfeed slop out my face

>>149199469
they'd sound like how you'd expect emo girls to sound like: tired, grunt, or anxious

Man these threads got boring because of over-saturation.

>>149199503
You're free to leave, you know?

>>149199430
>>149199462
Lacey goes back and forth between prep and punk.

>>149199534
they are also free to bitch

>>149198811

>>149199579
No they aren't, they're gonna get bullied to death

Goth is more of a classical and sophisticated style where's Emo is more of a punk rock style.

>>149199539
Preppy punk then.

>>149199671
babe put your socks back on

>>149197969 (OP)
In my opinion, goths dress more flamboyant and cooler with white face paint, black dresses and teased hair. Emos dress more casually, with dark shirts, pants and or skirts, with some added bits of style with chokers and other accessories. Although there isn't a hard rule as the two styles intermix. If you can't tell, you can just ask the person in question :3

>>149199793
Her feet are sexier with the socks off.

>>149199809
socks but also boots.

>>149199670
Both are related to punk. Goth is derived from Post-Punk and Emo is derived from pop punk.

>>149197969 (OP)
literally the same shit

>>149198290
Well she works at a video store so yeah I think she can afford the odd borger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9x7e1ZkszLc

>>149197989
>spamming
Sorry mate but this isn't spamming when the thread last about a whole week on the catalog

>>149198811
She looks pretty like this. I’d buy her a CD or two if I wasn’t a broke bitch.

Remember to hydrate in this heat

https://files.catbox.moe/y670eg.jpg
[cw:hyper bewbs]

>>149197969 (OP)
i did not see that it was a webm and it fucking jumpscared me goddamnit

>>149197969 (OP)
you can tell she's emo because she was impaled by that thing and peed herself before it went in. a goth would not end up in that situation because it wouldn't match her aesthetic.

bump

wait, no one has posted the new pic yet?...

>>149205460
welp i guess i'll do it...

>>149199272
I prefer demoscene girls

>>149205592
God this ENA shit is so awful. I hate this needlessly obtuse hyper-surrealism faggotry it's so boring and stupid. And when they speak complete gibberish I cringe. I just don't understand and it makes me angry. And I'm usually pretty open minded but I draw the line with this retardation, so it makes me really angry.

>>149205641
Not him but I feel similarly about most independent projects. Everything feels so overly-performative in a way. Like there is so little in terms of subtlety in internet fiction, I do not like it. I think Ena is a novel enough design on her own but she really doesn't need her own show or game or universe. At the end of the day if you made her not polygonal there really wouldn't be anything to her, and it's like that for a lot of internet creations that focus on a cute girl as their protag. They just make the girl act weird and that's kind of it.

>>149205703
I liked what this thread is for and Ongezellig, that's about it. ENA is the only other one I watched and I hated it even though i did a completionist run through the whole series. I think Nia/I can't sleep could've been megacringe and avoided it for a while, but it turned out to be pretty cool and not have the problems that I reasonably expected.

>>149205489
>Nia after I filled her with too much cum

>>149205460
>>149205489
It's not really new. The creator's just reposting stuff from the Patreon, but regardless, it's nice to see him being a bit more active, at least.

>>149205872
i mean technically is new for people with no money, then

>>149205592
>demoscene
the heck is that

>>149197969 (OP)
it's neither. they're mall goths. younger women who dress like that are still conventional women, they're just dressing a certain way and aesthetic because it's sexually appealing and it gets them attention that they crave. they are either still forming their personality, their personality is shit, and/or they have daddy issues and they want to be the shiny object in your face. there is no "emo" or "goth", any more. goth had to do with music and emo doesn't mean anything other than insecure woman, which is to say, a female

>>149205489
>Nia has a full bush
Well, thank you(?) for this information, ICS creator.

>>149208097
Makes sense considering the character barely takes care of herself

>>149207715
STOUT STOUT SHAKO ONE FOR TWO REFINED

>>149203572

>>149207972
yap yap yap yawnnnnn boringgggg!!!

Could I draw her with some massive melons?

>>149186057

>>149209549
If you're artistic (or autistic) enough you can draw anything you want! The only limit is your creativity!

>>149209660
This. Just ignore those who don’t care for it.

>>149209598
OR here, nice

>>149207972
>people who dress a certain way are actually... *gasp* NORMAL PEOPLE??
Do you expect people to act like flanderized cartoon characters in real life?

>>149209598
very cool

>>149210159
Trannies exist

>>149205872
I was confused at first but then I checked YouTube and was like “oh yeah”

>>149202181
That looks like a very normal burger.

>>149209549
Yes and i will respect you for it.

>>149202989
I like that Chubby belly.

>>149211172
I don't really get fatties but i really wanna encourage her to put on a healthy amount of weight as she appears to be anerexic.

>>149197969 (OP)
we're talking about goth stuff here? anyone know some more gothkino? it's /v/, but i just got Ska Studios' stuff on Steam for the sale. been playing The Dishwasher: Vampire Smile, which is picrelated. it's been fun as hell, love the art.
for a /co/ example, there's Serenity Rose, which gets posted from time to time. and obviously there's Johnny the Homicidal Maniac.
any other edgy 2000s goth stuff? can really be anything, comic/game/cartoon, whatever, i just love this stuff.

>>149211269
Why is bare feet such a common tie in this genre?

>>149211196
Fair.

https://x.com/Rexhastala/status/1793395159003988390

>>149211592
I feel like just throwing an attractive body type onto any character is stale, somebody draw fingers dragging down across her exposed ribs, bones are very sensetive

>>149211833
Nta but I completely agree with you. However, only conveniently attractive body types get picked up by the algo.

>>149199272
Same

>>149211833
imagine pressing your ear up against her ribs and feeling her heart beat

>>149211833
Gona play Nia like an emo xylophone.

>>149212059
can you play smoke on the water with those

>>149212059
>>149212112
https://youtu.be/LFUDXQMhzi8?si=-2jp-c58H1X9EAKd

>>149211934
she doesn't have an heartbeat, she isn't human

>>149212143
that's cool too, she can listen to mine i guess.

>>149210757
cute

>>149205641
I honestly think it's fine but yes the retro cuboid hyper realism style is a bit overdone at this point
but what I really think is super lame and disappointing is that one of ENA's 2 personalities is a male voice, it really should have been 2 female voices whenever she does her personality switches

>>149197969 (OP)
emo girls are sad and goths like the aesthetic and easy acceptance in the community were maybe molested as a kid

>>149211166
Oh you..... :)

>>149197969 (OP)
>how do you tell the difference between an allosaurus and a tyranosaurus
it's not just that they're extinct so it doesn't fucking matter, but more importantly they've been extinct so long that retarded historians (egirls) have tried filling in the blanks with nonsense so damn long that it's impossible to truly log anything accurate for posterity because it's so poisoned.

>>149208097
It's not bush. Those are shredded clothes.
You had me scared for a moment.

>>149197969 (OP)
Clothing, taste in music, taste in litature, and general time frame.

>>149210159
>it's normal that normal people would try to get more than normal attention tee hee

hey dumbass if normal people are normal there's no need to dress different or call it anything now is there?

>>149214566
Shhhh, you'll ruin their hopes and dreams.

>>149215037
How do you dress irl?

>>149215037
I feel like you wear khaki shorts and either a triforce short sleeve or a button down.

>>149214364
cute

>>149211861
>conveniently
You mean conventionally?

>>149210757
Get some meat on those bones?

>>149217851
I dont know why i asked that like a question. GET SOME MEAT ON THOSE BONES!

>>149217843
Yeah, idk why the fuck i typed that.

>>149203572
>cw
what?

>>149203572
>discord spoilers
>nigger warning
>>149218022
He's a faggot anon, he genuinely thinks people ITT are afraid of seeing tits, that's the level of faggotry this discordnigger has.

>>149218066
Nta but some anons were being piss babies about hyper tits Nia before.
>I dOn’T WaNt To SeE hEr LiKe ThAt”
Some shit like that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAqseZ4RshA

>>149213369
>what I really think is super lame and disappointing is that one of ENA's 2 personalities is a male voice, it really should have been 2 female voices whenever she does her personality switches
Yea. Honestly I would probably be able to forgive it if they just made both of xheyr voices female.

>>149218833
Truly a certified hood classic right there.

>>149215864
shorts and a tshirt

>>149216333
i don't even remember what triforce is. khaki shorts and button down but it's unbuttoned and i only wear that at work because i'm outdoors at work

but hey instead of addressing the point why don't you make it about the speaker since neither of you have a point of your own to make

>>149220368
>fashion NPC talking shit about people who actually put effort into their appearance
typical

>>149220368
>>149220616
>>149215864
nta but what do you reccomend wearing?
it's miserably hot outside so I can't wear black or long sleeves.

>>149197969 (OP)
emo = casual clothes
goth = formal clothes

>>149222528
>try to hug the doll
>detachable limbs and splotches of red where they come off.

>>149221781
ok fuck it i'll bite on this one.

Loving her damn you to Hell, her demons will latch into you like a parasite

>>149197969 (OP)
they're the same

>>149197969 (OP)
emos don't believe in the supernatural.

thats why they suck.

>>149224108
How do you know?

I've seen this posted a lot.
What exactly is it? One of them spooky analog horror bullshitteries about some emo/goth/whatever girl?

>>149224859
Series of shorts meant to emulate the LQ youtube/flash vid/Invader Zim/Emo aesthetic. The shorts are centered on some nameless girl being made to endure horrific physical/psychological abuse.

>>149197969 (OP)
How does that AI work?

>>149225210
is there like, a chronological order to watch it in, like the MCU?

>>149224859
>spooky
Yes
>analog horror
No
>bullshitteries
Oh yea big time
>about some emo/goth/whatever girl?
Emo

>>149226743
Not at all. You could watch them all in the order they came out or completely at random and you'd get about the same experience. There's no real "lore", the whole thing is pretty cryptic.

>>149226264
>take image
>request the ai to animate it
>give it specific information
>the ai proceeds to generate a video base of your request
taadah, here is an example of what you can get

>>149226806
Oh, so the lore is something I’d have to go nerd mode for to figure out? That’s nice.

>>149220616
not even close to the point i was making.

mall goths can look just fine, but the aesthetic they're using usually is evidence they're doing it just for attention and advertising that they're "different" or special, when really they're conventional. they know goth aesthetic is sexy, they're just baiting. there's also an overlap with daddy issues and nose ring theory

>>149211833
Why, one Looks Well-feed, the other looks well fit.

Both are good healthy things, especially for this character.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-0Q7ePiYp0

>>149197969 (OP)
I am concerned there will not be a new video when this thread is over!

>>149227122
Best approach would probably be upload order.

>>149227122
>>149226806
Its what they call unification horror these days. Its odd Angel Hare, Neural Viz and this series all in that same genre.

>>149227166
What the fuck qualifies as "unconventional" to you?
All fashion is like this dude, goths aren't genetically predisposed to dressing the way they do, they choose to because they think it looks cool. Same with every other aesthetic.
You're a faggot who would probably drive away a goth girl by snobbishly calling her a poser if one would ever be interested in your ass to begin with.

>>149227166
>you put effort into your appearance to stand out and attract attention from the opposite sex!
why do antisocial retards think this is an own

>>149227932
found the Therapy Boyfriend™

>>149197969 (OP)
Neither of those exist in current society.

1980s - goths
1990s - mall goths
2000s - emo kids
2010s - scene kids
2020s - nothing because the mall doesnt control trends anymore and zoomers are too autistically reverant about aesthetics of the past to create their own thing

>>149227966
Because he doesn't want it to catch Chad's attention. Same reason a girl says "pick me girl". She's afraid Chad will pick the other girl as the more fun option. Both are incidentally aligned with what's best for society btw, even though it's nothing but their base insecurities that lead them to these conclusions.

>>149228254
You didn't answer my question of what qualifies as "unconventional" to you.

>>149228787
Nta so you didn't ask me. But i consider anything that isn't a prebuilt aesthetic that everyone's seen before to be unconventional. So goth and emo would be conventional.

I wonder how icantsleep feels about all these anons who want nia to be happy

>>149227932
>You're a faggot who would probably drive away a goth girl by snobbishly calling her a poser if one would ever be interested in your ass to begin with.
Correct, I don't have time for fake ass hoes

>>149229817
>>149227932
>You're a faggot who would probably drive away a goth girl
yes i am known for pushing people away
however I have never looked back and thought very highly of any of them whether it was my fault or not.

>>149229778
they dont sleep

>>149228277
>1980s - goths
>1990s - mall goths
>2000s - emo/scene kids
>2010s - Tumblr girls
>2020s - e girls
Ftfy

>>149227966
>doesn't understand that by seeking attention from the opposite sex they are specifically seeking SEXUAL attention from the opposite sex

yes, and then they get to call dude creeps for being baited by their own designs and choices

>>149228322
right. it serves society for women to literally ask for sexual attention from men that they will inevitably reject. brilliant plan. it's totally working.

>>149227932
>drive away a goth girl

correct, but i never criticized their dress choices, they last interest after they fucked me and found out i cared about them because once again, these women are walking examples of nose ring theory and are on the hunt for assholes who will treat them like shit

>>149231552
>they last interest after they fucked me and found out i cared about them
heart breaking

>>149231588
oh please, you don't give a shit. they're all like that

>>149231672
maybe you are witholding the fact that you are a bit of an cunt

>>149231737
to you, yes. i wasn't to them. and still doesn't change the fact that women dress that way for sexual attention that they have no intention of giving back

>>149231737
>man reacting to women's character flaws
>women most affected

>>149231762
well I meant that it was sad that people are like that at all.

what is this and can someone give me a quick qrd?

>>149220616
You are the npc since you are just following a trend.
I'm sure you didn't even know what an emo/scene was before everyone was nostalgia-dumping during COVID.
I lived it through, and emo and scene were and are still cringe.

>>149228277
>2020s - nothing
Man, ignoring the rap emo scene going on atm...

https://youtu.be/k571RNO8NfM?si=p3v-XQD0iNRM6LcV
posting this here 'cause i know there's an overlap of fans

>>149231828
See
>>149225210

>>149231981
never heard of this but very cool

>>149211269
Emo was mostly centered around music, other than that emo didn't really inspired a lot of mainstream stories (jthm was niche during the time. Only the fanwebsite continued his legacy into 2000's), or there were contained to personal blogs on livejournal/myspace and deviantart. You have to know that it was a very internet/nerd phenomenon, before corporates colonised the internet.
You should probably watch into anime of that time. Although, it's not really emo in terms of philosophy. It's very "métal hurlant" inspired with mix of horror and japanese goth.

>>149226831
Jesus Christ how horrifying.
I wonder if I can make her blow a raspberry.

>>149197969 (OP)
she look like the kind of girl who would cannibalize any man who stay alone around her for too long

>>149232688
She's more likely to be the one who gets cannibalized

>>149231981
Cool, trans content.

>>149233471
proof

>>149231821
if you were neglected, abused or mistreated and you were never a cunt to people, you'd internalize it in far worse ways. also being nice isn't rewarded, being nice certainly does not have market value and it is not a trait valued by women. if you think assholes just exist in a vaccuum or that they were always like that, you'd be mistaken

>>149235263
damn bitch piss a lot

>>149235263
>>149235888
look how hard i can piss

>>149233471
good

>>149235263
Drink her piss or lick her feet.

>>149237622
i dont like watersports, feet or humiliation for that matter, but I'll do some stupid shit for love.

>>149222528
>hugs doll
>it has a screaming voice box
>throw the doll at the wall
>doll catches on fire due to faulty voice box
>doll is turned into ash

>>149238938
You’re supposed to soak her in milk first

>>149237907
please lock in, you deserve better.

>>149222528
Isn’t there a real Nia plush out there somewhere, or am I crazy?

>>149239694
Very real. Iirc they commissioned it from a really awesome plush maker on Etsy.

>>149239694

>>149239734
Ohhhh, so it’s one of a kind, that’s neat.

>>149239735
it must be dipped in milk.

>>149239808
considering who owns this plushie, she's been dipped in worse stuff...

>>149239852
like…..?????????

>>149239885
The same guy who cut his arm to spell "nia"

Also a guy who draw babies getting impaled.

>>149240133
>Also a guy who draw babies getting impaled.
I have seen that a lot on this site, mostly /b/. That narrows it down very little.

>>149238973
Well fug

>>149240960
Beuh

>>149237622
If it means keeping me hydrated in this bitch of a heat, I'd drink her emo branded lemon juice all day.

>>149243424
thicc

>>149243424
Nia if she wasn’t all bones

>>149244057
>>149244029

>>149244089
GYAT

>>149246738
your soul will be slingshotted to hell, have a nice day

>>149239852
Fortunately, he had the mere decency to give her a very much needed bath. Poor thing must've smelled like dry, rancid cum.

there's a lack of drawfriends for nia threads

>>149244089
great ass crack

>>149245768
She looks like a panda with that nose.

i have an autistic fascination with this character and i need to download many many many pictures of nia, where do you guys get them

>>149248165
Yeah I don't think that artist realized the "nose" is just a stylistic shadow.

>>149248496
https://co.llection.pics/post/list/i_can%27t_sleep/1 and blusky

>>149248533
>bluesky

>>149248568
Tons of artists moved there. It’s not that deep.

>>149248568
Based Nia

>>149248597
And tons of artists are politically motivated.

>>149248611

>>149248568
>he goes to the pollitical side of any website
if you serch of tranies you will get tranies.
BS works really well for artists

>>149248611
>politically motivated
Eh. I see it more as hop on the train before the opportunity passes to get your following count up and the AI shit. I don’t many care for the politics, I know I don’t.
However that convo is probably better for for a /pol/ thread, not this one.

>>149248642
>*I don’t think many care

>>149248624
It would be funny if ICS actually put that hat somewhere in their videos

>>149248496
If you save pics from 4chan do it from desu. This site compresses image if you try saving it directly.

>>149197969 (OP)
Vaping vs smoking

>>149248597
NTA, but I don't like bluesky because it's interface is shit like twitter's

Why are you motherfuckers talking about social media shit. Just go, look for cool pics, and leave.

>Nia wakes up in a hospital
>To her left are people sitting in chairs, waiting for someone or something.
>One seems to be messing around with the bead maze. She looks bored.
>They all kind of look like Nia.
>To her right, a tall medical receptionist stands behind the desk. She seems to be rummaging through her briefcase.
>in front of Nia is a lit hallway, with only one door at the end of it.
>Nia waves at the receptionist to which the receptionist cheerfully smiles and directs Nia to the end of the hallway.
>Nia does not move an inch and the receptionist notices this.
>She helps Nia walk to the end of the hallway, where a figure phases through the door.
>somethingsoff.jpeg
>They both freeze in place.
>The receptionist signals Nia to stay behind her, which she immediately does.

>>149248638
I find trannies on the front page whenever I visit

>>149248638
Dear god, she needs some Weight.

>>149250101
she looks like how my soul feels.

>>149250092
>platform adjusts to what the user searches for

well...

>>149250360
I never look for tranny shit, so that just proves my point even more

>>149250398
sure you aren't checking out some cock anon?

>>149250092
Anon, i don't know how to tell you this...

>>149250269
Well, Give your Soul what it needs before it turns into Dust.

>>149250557
Maybe I should specify what I’ve been talking about. I can go into an incognito tab and go on bluesky and I will see a leftist echochamber

>>149250683
I can't force somebody to be affectionate to me so it's just going to be dust exactly.

>>149250719
Because That's your choose.
Not your Fate.

>>149250719
Have you tried going out of your comfort zone? It sucks but it does get you results and pretty fast ones too once you get past the initial awkward phase.

>>149250987
I went on my first date a while ago and ghosted after the second one and ive just been completely shut down since

>>149242729
Based.

>>149251081
Don’t let that deter you, man. It hurts but rest assured, they weren’t worth it. Do you really want someone who can’t even do basic communication? It sounds like you dodged a bullet.
It’s okay to feel down but you have to get up and try again.

>>149247444
I've returned from my grave...

give ideas

>>149251333
Nia and emo emmy the robot hanging out in the mall

>>149251333
Nia gaming.

>>149251333
>replying a trip with a trip
DAMN FLEX
In any case, draw Nia promoting Monster™ Energy Drink

>>149251333
Nia but tall.

>>149251333
This with NIA

>>149248597
>>149248642
When this started, I expected things to come back to normal sometime by the end of 2025. So far, it seems that I might be right. BlueSky exists as an opposition to Twitter. By itself, it's nothing. Also, it seems to have even worse image quality than Twitter.

>>149248638
God, I wanna scratch her back so bad...
>>149251333
Assuming you're not just baiting for replies and not deliver whatsoever just so the thread stays bumped like the other countless times before, I'll like to see Nia grape stomping, pretty please.

>>149249439
It'd be very funny, indeed.

Crazy this thread is still up, but I'm not complaining

>>149254246
we love nia

>>149248638
>visit the site
>didn't even log or use it once
>the first thing i see is a spainiard complaining about some right-wing party idc
i fifn't exactly search for that anon-kun

>>149254246
We are still off of the recent video so we still have some decent gas left.

>>149249646
one fills your lungs with nicotine and the other has a chance to give you cancer?

>>149255189
both make you look gay but one makes you look alot gayer

>>149254246
glacier pacing tho

sad cruise

>>149257024
we need a ICS version of this with Nia running over her mom.

>>149257099
no we need nia just going on a cozy cruise in a tr7

>>149257099
>Deltatroon version rather than the Open season OG
We're on /co/ here

>>149257099
Seconding, this with Nia pls

>>149257163
you seem obsessed with trannies...

>>149256903
The board picking up speed more than usual isn't helping, either.

>>149198022
>ugly Nigger Nia
>In my ICS thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_Z8sStmqJ0

>>149257336
>Be everywhere and never shut the fuck up about being everywhere
>haha, why are you so obsessed?!
rope, now!

>>149257163
Not the OP but the DT version is animated a bit more comical in my opinion. The Open Season one isn’t awful but it doesn’t carry the same weight.

>>149248529
a bunch don't seem to realize. it's like with Frankie Foster's shirt having stylized powerpuff girls on it

>>149257913
that’s not nice! go to timeout!

>>149258646
Even less so when you consider the fact that very stylistic shadow is directly taken from JTHM (y'know, the very thing ICS based its art style on), but it's not like that's going to stop troglodytes from insisting that's an animal nose, anyway.

>>149258646
the sh@rty thought Nia was furry in their ics thread

Nia would probably eat you alive if you let your guard down for too long around her

>>149259194
We also had that "Furry fandom goes on /trash/" faggot who unironically thought Nia was one before being promptly (and deservedly) called a retard in one of the threads. It's just all so fucking tiresome.

>>149257913
sounds like you're intentionally entering places full of trannies to comply. Whatever. Have fun with that.

>>149259194
According to those retards any activity other than spamming BBC or CP constitutes "tranny activity" or some variation thereof, so why are you surprised?