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Anonymous No.149198031 [Report] >>149198072 >>149198215 >>149198219 >>149198280 >>149198339 >>149198682 >>149199123 >>149199640 >>149200388 >>149201245 >>149203249 >>149205235 >>149205888 >>149206219 >>149207394 >>149209903 >>149211654 >>149217262 >>149218795 >>149219050 >>149222525
If there was an anime spin-off of this show, would you watch it?
Anonymous No.149198061 [Report] >>149199640 >>149201808 >>149206263 >>149209461 >>149217208
its creator is a pedo, /thread
Anonymous No.149198072 [Report]
>>149198031 (OP)
>ADD pacing + japanese """"humor""""
sounds like the worst shit imaginable
Anonymous No.149198172 [Report] >>149198794
Who doesnt find her sexy?
Anonymous No.149198215 [Report]
>>149198031 (OP)
only to see penny again...

(being fr no probably not, it wouldn't work)
Anonymous No.149198219 [Report] >>149202702
>>149198031 (OP)
I didn't watch the actual show. So fuck off with your low effort, hideous, cheap knock off Lina you worthless ape of a cartoon fag.
Anonymous No.149198257 [Report] >>149198501 >>149198507 >>149199161
Why does the character look more appealing when the creator doesnt draw her
Anonymous No.149198280 [Report] >>149198848 >>149199640 >>149203889 >>149217208
>>149198031 (OP)
>Kyle Carrozza.
Anonymous No.149198306 [Report] >>149198696 >>149199243 >>149199640 >>149211750 >>149217208 >>149229234
You hate Carrozza because he's a pedo.
I hate him because he blacklisted Angela Vondra (Vee) from the industry.
We are not the same
Anonymous No.149198332 [Report] >>149199640 >>149202702
>creator is a convicted pedophile
Perfect for Japan and the weebs here
Anonymous No.149198339 [Report]
>>149198031 (OP)
I want to see her naked
Anonymous No.149198370 [Report] >>149213963
Did you know she was actually based on a real life person Carrozza know? (and no its not his ex)
Mishal !!xHRIsb2fOFc No.149198501 [Report]
>>149198257
>CringeGuy
>Appealing
Anonymous No.149198507 [Report] >>149198794
>>149198257
Speak for yourself, and the edits of actual frames just make me more diamonds
Anonymous No.149198558 [Report] >>149198723 >>149198833
Only if there's Bimm.
natjackm92 No.149198682 [Report] >>149216415
>>149198031 (OP)
Yeah, it's called Slayers
Anonymous No.149198696 [Report] >>149199510 >>149229234
>>149198306
qrd?
Anonymous No.149198723 [Report] >>149204049
>>149198558
BIMM SEXO
Anonymous No.149198744 [Report]
After the fiiiiiishhhh
Anonymous No.149198794 [Report] >>149199060
>>149198172
>>149198507
I wish I saved more of these, I need more. Doesn't matter if you have to catbox some
Anonymous No.149198833 [Report]
>>149198558
Needs Danelda too.
Anonymous No.149198848 [Report]
>>149198280
>Birchy posting /a/ gifs.
Anonymous No.149199060 [Report] >>149199219
>>149198794
Took a bit to find again but here's a thread with a whole bunch of them https://desuarchive.org/aco/thread/8334089/#8334089
Anonymous No.149199123 [Report] >>149199640
>>149198031 (OP)
Pedo thread

Fuck off OP
Anonymous No.149199161 [Report] >>149199204
>>149198257
You really don't realize the Kyle style sucks donkey balls?
Anonymous No.149199204 [Report]
>>149199161
eh, it's john k(birds of a feather) style but watered very down for the style of 2016, the one thing I would give this show is the character designs
Anonymous No.149199219 [Report] >>149199455
>>149199060
I don't know how much to thank you anon
Anonymous No.149199243 [Report] >>149227762
>>149198306
>I hate him because he blacklisted Angela Vondra (Vee) from the industry.
she's batshit insane and I'm honestly surprised she isn't locked up
Anonymous No.149199455 [Report] >>149201163
>>149199219
Just save'em and spread'em and here's a couple more I found on Twitter with Bimm and Danelda edits https://x.com/MighTBatmantis/status/1865530907450356083
Anonymous No.149199510 [Report]
>>149198696
Actual Pedos are behind every "you can't draw that she's only 13" post.
Anonymous No.149199640 [Report]
>>149198031 (OP)
>>149198061
>>149198280
>>149198306
>>149198332
>>149199123
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mZpXSz7ywU
Anonymous No.149200388 [Report]
>>149198031 (OP)
>Leotard
>Cape.

One of the best clothing combos for fantasy women. I can bet my soul Carroza is not a pedo, because he had taste. No one does that kind of character design anymore, at least not for main characters (the only one i have seen these last years was the slave elf mentor from the behemoth cat anime)
Anonymous No.149200780 [Report] >>149201104 >>149205190 >>149205328
bitch https://files.catbox.moe/8azf40.pdf

number and location don't work
Anonymous No.149201104 [Report]
>>149200780
What is this?
Anonymous No.149201163 [Report]
>>149199455
I need more Bimm edits.
Anonymous No.149201245 [Report]
>>149198031 (OP)
>If there was an anime spinoff-
No.
Anonymous No.149201808 [Report] >>149202713
>>149198061
so it would be perfect for an anime adaptation.
Anonymous No.149202702 [Report] >>149203233
>>149198219
Shut up retard>>149198332
Drawings aren’t people, tranny
Anonymous No.149202713 [Report] >>149203233 >>149210690
>>149201808
Nice projection, amerimutt
Anonymous No.149203233 [Report] >>149203255
>>149202702
>>149202713
Triggered weebs
Anonymous No.149203249 [Report]
>>149198031 (OP)
Lame knockoff of a superior anime girl
Anonymous No.149203255 [Report]
>>149203233
I’m not the weebshit in here
Anonymous No.149203889 [Report] >>149204129
>>149198280
You’re a pedo just like him, you fucking retard.
Anonymous No.149204049 [Report]
>>149198723
This guy gets it.
Anonymous No.149204129 [Report] >>149204134
>>149203889
Drawings aren’t people
Anonymous No.149204134 [Report] >>149205681
>>149204129
Getting off to drawings of little girls still makes you a pedo.
Anonymous No.149205129 [Report] >>149209869 >>149225439
Back when Bimm was a member of Warriors for Hire
Anonymous No.149205138 [Report]
>Show is full of hot adult women with sex appeal
>Some seek romance or are in relationships with an active libido
>All of them are adults over the age of consent
We could've had it all bros, why did Kyle have to ruin it?
Anonymous No.149205190 [Report]
>>149200780
Is that Kyle's portfolio?
Anonymous No.149205235 [Report]
>>149198031 (OP)
never watched it so no.
Anonymous No.149205269 [Report] >>149205276 >>149206252
Reminder that Kyle was going to make Vambre come out as asexual had the show kept going.
Anonymous No.149205276 [Report]
>>149205269
>Femcel Vambre
Anonymous No.149205328 [Report]
>>149200780
Catguy Kapowie is THE ONE.
Anonymous No.149205643 [Report] >>149206101 >>149206120 >>149206243 >>149206293 >>149206306 >>149206450 >>149206650 >>149211596 >>149215781 >>149218725 >>149230468 >>149230555 >>149230705
Sex offending aside, will he ever make another cartoon?
Anonymous No.149205681 [Report] >>149217224
>>149204134
Shut the fuck up tranny
Anonymous No.149205888 [Report]
>>149198031 (OP)
Mighty Magiswords is friendly reminder that Spumco artsyle does not mix well with anime.
Anonymous No.149206101 [Report] >>149206215
>>149205643
Never.
Anonymous No.149206120 [Report] >>149206215
>>149205643
No as nobody will want to work with him ever again and I doubt he has the skills to do everything by himself
Anonymous No.149206215 [Report]
>>149206101
>>149206120
Damn, could he at least leak the butthole pics already?
Anonymous No.149206219 [Report] >>149206417
>>149198031 (OP)
Magiswords is a Slayers rip-off, and Slayers is way better.
Anonymous No.149206243 [Report] >>149206366
>>149205643
>Kyle Carrozza.
>Making another cartoon.
Anonymous No.149206252 [Report] >>149206280 >>149206403 >>149206709 >>149208844 >>149224733
>>149205269
Lame, she should of got with Zange.
Anonymous No.149206263 [Report] >>149206366
>>149198061
Not a problem at all for Pablos
Anonymous No.149206280 [Report]
>>149206252
Asexual, remember
Anonymous No.149206293 [Report]
>>149205643
No.
Now on he will need to draw porn.
Anonymous No.149206306 [Report]
>>149205643
PIZZA PIGGIES
Anonymous No.149206366 [Report] >>149206403
>>149206243
Not for this one
>>149206263
Anonymous No.149206403 [Report] >>149206415
>>149206366
Sorry meant to reply to
>>149206252
Anonymous No.149206415 [Report]
>>149206403
Kys hijacking faggot
Anonymous No.149206417 [Report] >>149208188
>>149206219
Didn't he just steal ideas from obscure anime? I remember a pitch he straight up stole the design from some yoyo anime.
Anonymous No.149206450 [Report]
>>149205643
No.
Anonymous No.149206471 [Report] >>149207740
Has a Japanese spinoff of a western cartoon ever been good?
Anonymous No.149206650 [Report]
>>149205643
Not unless it's all by himself. No one else is willing to work with him. It's too bad of a reputation hit.
Anonymous No.149206709 [Report]
>>149206252
Zange was straight.
Anonymous No.149207394 [Report]
>>149198031 (OP)
No. It was mediocre and quite frankly it's amazing that such a shit body of dwork could cover a child molester as long as it did.
Anonymous No.149207740 [Report] >>149207771
>>149206471
Would you watch it?
Anonymous No.149207771 [Report]
>>149207740
I'd give it a shot
Anonymous No.149208188 [Report]
>>149206417
>obscure anime
Slayers was as normie as DBZ and Evangelion before FMA erased Slayers from people's memories.
Anonymous No.149208673 [Report]
Why is Vambre so hot?
Anonymous No.149208802 [Report] >>149209972
Any seen this new Kyle cartoon? It's tits
Supra80 No.149208844 [Report] >>149209109 >>149211713 >>149224733
>>149206252
Here's a colored edit I made of that.
Anonymous No.149209109 [Report] >>149224196
>>149208844
Zange wears gloves so I think you miscolored her fingers other than that looks nice.
Anonymous No.149209461 [Report]
>>149198061
this
also private trackers & public torrent search engines
Anonymous No.149209869 [Report]
>>149205129
>literal scaredy cat mage girl
I love her already.
If she was the main character I would have actually watched this show.
Anonymous No.149209903 [Report]
>>149198031 (OP)
This was garbage even before Kyle got outed.

Can we make this an Ang schizo thread, those are more fun.
Anonymous No.149209972 [Report]
>>149208802
Sussy my wife
Anonymous No.149210614 [Report]
Anonymous No.149210690 [Report]
>>149202713
Latinx seethe
Anonymous No.149211527 [Report]
Anonymous No.149211596 [Report]
>>149205643
Dude is probably permanently black listed from the industry after he got arrested for his CP stash. He will never make anything for the rest of his life.
Anonymous No.149211608 [Report]
Why? We already have The Slayers. Essentially the same show, and better.
Anonymous No.149211654 [Report]
>>149198031 (OP)
she's fun to draw
also full version and a bonus
https://files.catbox.moe/bd5015.jfif
https://files.catbox.moe/k2h9mo.jfif
Anonymous No.149211690 [Report] >>149212231
danelda is great
full version
https://files.catbox.moe/etht8i.png
Anonymous No.149211713 [Report]
>>149208844
ccuuttee
Anonymous No.149211719 [Report] >>149213928 >>149215922 >>149217176 >>149217181 >>149217611 >>149222264 >>149225334
>Guy came back some months ago
>No one gives a fuck
Is he really that irrelevant?
Anonymous No.149211750 [Report]
>>149198306
i don't hate carrozza we are not the same
Anonymous No.149212231 [Report]
>>149211690
Nice bunny buns.
Billy No.149212286 [Report] >>149212372 >>149212388 >>149212530 >>149213917 >>149213942 >>149217507
Any Magisword girl requests? One girl per request
Anonymous No.149212372 [Report] >>149213720
>>149212286
Morbidia in an embarrassing magical girl outfit
Anonymous No.149212388 [Report]
>>149212286
danelda bikini plz
Anonymous No.149212530 [Report]
>>149212286
Witchy Simone skinny dipping.
Anonymous No.149213275 [Report]
bump
Anonymous No.149213720 [Report] >>149214184 >>149215540
>>149212372
here's what i came up with
Anonymous No.149213917 [Report] >>149214709
>>149212286
Vambre in Jail or being detained by the police
Anonymous No.149213928 [Report]
>>149211719
Alright if we can get Kyle to become a drawfag maybe he can redeem himself
Anonymous No.149213942 [Report]
>>149212286
Vambre getting fucked in the ass. Use whichever position you want.
Anonymous No.149213963 [Report] >>149218312 >>149218838
>>149198370
I thought she was based on his wife
Anonymous No.149214184 [Report]
>>149213720
Neat.
Anonymous No.149214709 [Report]
Maybe the real magiswords were the ones we made along the way.
>>149213917
What would she be detained for?
Anonymous No.149214755 [Report] >>149215249 >>149215540 >>149215797
drew this morbidia
Anonymous No.149215249 [Report]
>>149214755
wife
Anonymous No.149215540 [Report] >>149219665
>>149213720
>>149214755
Wow Billy, you got good
Anonymous No.149215781 [Report]
>>149205643
Anonymous No.149215797 [Report]
>>149214755
Hot but 3 finger Morbidia is pretty cursed.
Anonymous No.149215922 [Report] >>149216833 >>149217108 >>149218542
>>149211719
So what even happened? Was it actual pizza? AI stuff? Loli shit?
Anonymous No.149216415 [Report]
>>149198682

Slayers had the main male and female characters running around using magical swords?
Anonymous No.149216833 [Report] >>149217108
>>149215922
You don't get arrested over drawings. He must have had the real deal.
Anonymous No.149217108 [Report]
>>149215922
>>149216833
He was uploading it to his Google drive, which got his YouTube channel and his entire Google account nuked a while back because it probably tripped the feds database. The police report also refers to them as "movies and images" with nothing about art or fictional depictions.
Anonymous No.149217176 [Report]
>>149211719
That's a fake
Anonymous No.149217181 [Report]
>>149211719
should had been as successful as Danny Elfman before openly uploading terabytes of CP on a public cloud drive
saying all that in jest but at least Danny Elfman gave me a childhood before it got soured
Anonymous No.149217208 [Report] >>149217212 >>149224535 >>149225380 >>149226155
>>149198061
>>149198280
>>149198306
>oy vey this goy totally had 6 trillion terabyte of sea pee on his computer! we have to erase his soft-horny characters so that kids don't start to become straight again!
Anonymous No.149217212 [Report] >>149224626
>>149217208
Nigga, what?
Anonymous No.149217224 [Report] >>149219716
>>149205681
Tranny > pedo, but you're a tranny pedo
Anonymous No.149217262 [Report]
>>149198031 (OP)
I stop watching Rick and Morty but I can't imagine that the anime is as bad people say it is.
Anonymous No.149217507 [Report]
>>149212286
Princess Zange in this outfit checking out her nice butt in the mirror
Anonymous No.149217611 [Report]
>>149211719
his twitter is private; what was the response to this like?
Anonymous No.149218312 [Report]
>>149213963
Nah. He had the character long before in the 90s. The wife was just the voice
Anonymous No.149218542 [Report]
>>149215922
Actual pizza. He had the real deal.
Anonymous No.149218593 [Report]
Vambre looks cute in this dress
Anonymous No.149218605 [Report]
Even fucking Dobson was making Morbidia pics
Anonymous No.149218664 [Report]
Kyle's style is off putting as hell. Dude try so bad blend Anime and Spumco.
Anonymous No.149218725 [Report]
>>149205643
Okay, fine, he jerks off to CP. The world is full of degenerates, whatever.
Does he really need to look the part as well?
Anonymous No.149218795 [Report] >>149230173
>>149198031 (OP)
Has there been any anime adaptions of west cartoons recently? The only one I can even recall was Powerpuff Girls Z.
Anonymous No.149218838 [Report] >>149218930 >>149221344 >>149230497
>>149213963
How on Earth did he have a wife?
Anonymous No.149218930 [Report]
>>149218838
Desperate fat girl approaching 30 with no other options
Anonymous No.149219050 [Report]
>>149198031 (OP)
I liked the show
Anonymous No.149219665 [Report] >>149219676
>>149215540
lol im not billy, but im glad ya like the art
Anonymous No.149219676 [Report] >>149219919
>>149219665
He's just trying to mock Billy by acting like a 5 year old.
Anonymous No.149219716 [Report]
>>149217224
Nice projection
Anonymous No.149219919 [Report]
>>149219676
huh
Anonymous No.149221114 [Report] >>149222175
Anonymous No.149221344 [Report]
>>149218838
Don't take my word for it but the wife saw him as a meal ticket and nothing more to slither her way into the animation industry.
Anonymous No.149222175 [Report]
>>149221114
cute
Anonymous No.149222264 [Report] >>149224567 >>149224954
>>149211719
here's something from a lady who knows him.
Anonymous No.149222525 [Report] >>149222552
>>149198031 (OP)
she a pawg so the show needs a Nubian King sidekick because only a Supreme Nubian would be able to sexually satisfy a Woman Pawg type female of this caliber
Anonymous No.149222552 [Report]
>>149222525
she gets cucked at the end by the black book cuck
Anonymous No.149222566 [Report] >>149224060 >>149224583
and then this bitch pees on me
Anonymous No.149224060 [Report] >>149224473 >>149224583
>>149222566
Man, Frog Raccoon Strawberry was great when Kyle wasn't projecting on it...
Supra80 No.149224196 [Report]
>>149209109
sorry about that
Anonymous No.149224473 [Report]
>>149224060
Frog Strawberry is gonna take my cock.
Anonymous No.149224535 [Report]
>>149217208
Anonymous No.149224567 [Report]
>>149222264
fat ugly pedo had a wife and what i assume are multiple ex girlfriends and i ended up a kissless wizard. grim.
Billy No.149224583 [Report]
>>149222566
>>149224060
Who's this?
Anonymous No.149224626 [Report] >>149224682 >>149225401
>>149217212
browse /pol/ for a while and get redpilled on just how shitty society actually is right now.
Anonymous No.149224659 [Report]
Is no one gonna comment on the fact that Kyle's portfolio is just leaked here?
Anonymous No.149224682 [Report] >>149225269
>>149224626
>give yourself paranoid schizophrenia and then you'll understand
Anonymous No.149224733 [Report] >>149224873
>>149206252
>>149208844
Is that just lina inverse?
Anonymous No.149224873 [Report]
>>149224733
She's magic deficient, but her overall look is similar. His claim is that he was ripping of Celes instead.
Anonymous No.149224954 [Report] >>149230506
>>149222264
Where was this sourced?
Anonymous No.149225269 [Report] >>149225380
>>149224682
Keep staying bluepilled, cuck. You're probably brown anyway and won't have anything to learn from /pol/
Anonymous No.149225334 [Report]
>>149211719
>Dealing with some personal issues
>more transparent about my challenges

Dud whacks off to kidnapped kids that are very soon killed by their kidnappers after they take enough pics. Thus making the whole situation profitable to continue doing it some more. He can fuck right off with this.
Anonymous No.149225357 [Report] >>149225762
Did anybody watch this show?
Anonymous No.149225380 [Report] >>149225485
>>149217208
>>149225269
>Every single pedo that got outed as a pedo was set up by da jooz because…… BECAUSE THEY JUST WERE OKAY!?!?!?!?
Anonymous No.149225401 [Report]
>>149224626
I'll bet, just not in the way you want
Anonymous No.149225439 [Report] >>149225762 >>149225798 >>149225819
>>149205129

you have the other character bio cards ?
Anonymous No.149225485 [Report] >>149227747
>>149225380
Just because you are too stupid and compliant to see what is really happening, does not mean it is not really happening.
Anonymous No.149225762 [Report] >>149225864
>>149225357
Yes
>>149225439
There were only these and ones for the Warriors.
Anonymous No.149225798 [Report] >>149225864
>>149225439
Nta btw
Anonymous No.149225819 [Report] >>149225864
>>149225439
Anonymous No.149225864 [Report]
>>149225762
>>149225798
>>149225819

danke.
Anonymous No.149226098 [Report]
Anyone got the recent MooBeard bible? Only found some but not all of it like the stories.
Anonymous No.149226155 [Report]
>>149217208
interesting that im not the only one who thought he was framed
Anonymous No.149227730 [Report]
Anonymous No.149227747 [Report] >>149230829
>>149225485
Kys retard
Anonymous No.149227762 [Report]
>>149199243
Ended up that way after getting blacklisted. It was the typical case of an actual predator taking up a bullhorn to shame someone who made lewd art.
Anonymous No.149229043 [Report] >>149229491
Witchy Simone before Magiswords
Anonymous No.149229234 [Report] >>149229347 >>149230814
>>149198696
>>149198306
Kyle never had the power to blacklist anyone. The only people who gave a single shit about him were industry outsiders hoping that if they made good with him, he could help them get their foot in the door. (Kyle then exploited that power to get girls to send him naked pics).

Vee blacklisted herself by being an unreliable crazypants prone to unchecked emotional outbursts and excuses for why she couldn't get her assignments finished on time.
Kyle provided a convenient scapegoat so she could avoid taking any semblance of responsibility for her own failures, but Kyle is not nearly influential enough to blacklist anyone. Even if that was possible (it wasn't), Vee could still get work on indie productions. She doesn't work with Spindlehorse anymore because she sucks.
Anonymous No.149229347 [Report]
>>149229234
That's right, plus Kyle took the fact that young fans were intimidated by his animation career and ran with it to get not only free work from upcoming artists but to also get underage female artists to send him nudes too. That's why the MooBeard indie short went under aside from scheduling conflicts.
Anonymous No.149229491 [Report]
>>149229043
Damn, it really fucking looks like something Dobson would've made...
Anonymous No.149229576 [Report] >>149229597 >>149231387
requesting kyle carozza molesting vambre
Anonymous No.149229597 [Report] >>149231387
>>149229576
Not his age range
Anonymous No.149230173 [Report]
>>149218795
Rick and Morty the anime.
Anonymous No.149230468 [Report]
>>149205643
He tried to sneakily make lineless clipart and people found him out, they'll recognize his style in anything even if he calls himself Carlos Carrera and puts out a fake mustache and sombrero.
Anonymous No.149230497 [Report]
>>149218838
Low self-esteem, dumpy pink-haired feminist that Andrew Dickman claims went too woke after she met Kyle. Lindsay claims Kyle put on all the charm but was not only a narcissist but a criminally stupid one.
Anonymous No.149230506 [Report]
>>149224954
YouTube. That's the mom of the Newgrounds kid who mentioned being mentored by Kyle at Sickmutt
Anonymous No.149230555 [Report] >>149230591
>>149205643
Okay I know you shouldn't judge a book by his cover but why the fuck is he so ugly? Jesus Christ he's like every classic pedophile stereotype come to life
Anonymous No.149230591 [Report]
>>149230555
Got too into booze, overeating, and making himself out to be HECKING SILLY GUY but looking more like a greasy nonce than the living cartoon he thought he'd look like.
If you look at his high school photos he ranges from being the skinny weak nerd stereotype to looking strangely average without the glasses and Vector haircut.
Anonymous No.149230643 [Report]
>can we just blame this shit on japs?
why is the entire western world like this
Anonymous No.149230705 [Report] >>149230795
>>149205643
God, you can practically smell him through the screen
Anonymous No.149230795 [Report] >>149232198
>>149230705
Some of his ex buddies confirm he didn't use deodorant or wash frequently so you know that California sun was sending stinkwaves for miles
Anonymous No.149230814 [Report] >>149231035
>>149229234
Vee had people claiming she was completely fucking crazy and never wanted shit to do with her ever again while still in college. Long before ever working anywhere.
Anonymous No.149230829 [Report]
>>149227747
Yes, be the good goy and ignore everything, Nothing is happening behind the curtain at all. Now get back to work.
Anonymous No.149231035 [Report]
>>149230814
Kyle seems to attract crazy hanger ons like both her and Jane. Only difference is she got her 15 minutes of fame now tries to grift off that.
Anonymous No.149231387 [Report]
>>149229576
>>149229597
Requesting Kyle Carozza molesting 8 year old vambre.
Billy No.149231750 [Report] >>149231784
WIPs
https://files.catbox.moe/1k6px8.jpg
Anonymous No.149231784 [Report]
>>149231750
nice
Anonymous No.149231802 [Report]
Anonymous No.149232198 [Report]
>>149230795
Where's the source of that?