Thread 149207081

I am glad the inhibitor chip was retconed.
Such a stupid addition.

>star wars comics
>canon
lol
lmao

>>149207180
>filonishit
>canon
lol
lmao

Every cartoonishly evil act they put under Vader's belt makes his redemption looks worse

1. When was it retconned?
2. This comic came out in 2006, long before the chips were a thing

>>149207081 (OP)
Ngl i really liked the way Clones were in 2003, in TCW they're basically just normal soldiers who have the same face and are probably more physically fit, daring and skilled, but in 2003 they really came off as the humanoid killing machines they were raised as. Except they had a stoic sort of sarcasm sometimes.

>>149207216
He was a-okay with a planet being destroyed since the first film
Vader's redemption largely got a pass because nobody but Luke forgave him for his atrocities

>>149207208
stop fucking your dog, shitwarsguy

i always assumed it was a combo. the clones arent complete organisms thay grew up a normal way. theyre part organic part artificial. im sure all sort of extra doodads were present to make them better soldiers, secret orders aside.

>>149207272
>>149207216
i get where both of you are coming from but if anakin had foreseen himself standing by while a planet is destroyed instead of padmae dying, i doubt he would have become a sith

I remember reading some shit about a potential order 67

>>149207081 (OP)
that narration panel in the fifth panel of page 2 was unnecessary

Are any of the comics worth reading?

>>149207476
Seems like a natural failsafe: “man I know they’re genetically imprinted to follow orders but they’re also trauma bonding with a bunch of super powerful empaths, maybe we should put in a chip to make sure order 66 doesn’t go wrong”

>>149208270
There are multiple "orders" that have been listed in the EU. There's even one against the Chancellor.
The only plothole with order 66 is the clones calling Palpatine
>My Lord

>>149208270
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88P8fypjKZk

>>149207216
The thing that really made it weird was writing the "became evil for his wife" plot, because it made it seem like he got tricked into evil for petty family reasons then killed the emperor for petty family reasons
Before it was up to you to imagine why he became evil and most people probably imagined it as something abstract, epic, and highly intentional contrasted to the redemption being small, spontaneous, and personal.

>>149208328
>jedis find the chip

>>149208243
That's what the Ones arc delved into

>>149208336
>The only plothole with order 66 is the clones calling Palpatine
>>My Lord
That's not a plothole. Order 66 is obviously meant to be a super-deep secret that only the Sith knew, activated by some kind of MKULTRA trigger phrase. That's easy to intuit if you're not a retard who needs everything spoonfed to you.

>>149208544
The Nelvaan arc did that too but nobody ever complains about that.

>>149208320
Star Wars comics are the epitome of licenseshit at its best and worst
It really depends on what you want since the appeal of Star Wars is so broad

>>149207081 (OP)
They haven't been retconned, stromtroopers aren't clonetroopers.

>>149207216
Eh. He saves his son, kills his master, and dies right after. It's not like he opened an orphanage or anything.

>>149208720
force ghost says he's all good

>>149207208
Every depiction of Order 66 since then has been done with Inhibitor Chips in mind
Fallen Order for example gives the Clones likable personalities right before Order 66 hit

>>149207220
>1. When was it retconned?
It wasn't. OP's just ragebaiting.
>2. This comic came out in 2006, long before the chips were a thing
Yep.

>>149208796
>likable
more like faggy and obnoxious. That whole walking segment was a nightmare.

>>149207244
>but in 2003 they really came off as the humanoid killing machines they were raised as
That's what made them boring, to be honest. At least in TCW they were actual characters. They were people under the helmets that you could empathize with.

OP is being dishonest. The pages he posted are from the Dark Horse Dark Times series, which was not only written long before the Disney buyout but long before the chip arc.

>>149208913
You're probably responding to Shit Wars Guy, a guy who genuinely said that real soldiers are faggots because they're not stoic meat-droids like his Genndy clones.

The pessimist in me thinks the clones having so much personality in TCW was less because it allowed for broader writing possibilities and more done to help sell toys

>>149207220
for context as to why many call it a retcon, it's because of the original battlefront 2 stated the clones knew all along. the narrator would hit it at the end of most clone war missions. George does this a lot, does something big that isn't explained well so the authors of secondary material would all try their own hand at filling in the blanks. Weirdly enough, george would have a hand in like 90% projects, overseeing ideas etc, but he was very willing to just info dump his broad ideas and let the writers do what they wanted. which confused them.

>>149208931
>and more done to help sell toys
Yeah, because Star Wars has never done that before.

>>149207244
I'm 50/50. TCW clones feel like bros and I can totally see Anakin bonding with his men. But I still think Alpha is the best representation of peak clone soldier. Rex still feels like a downgrade, though he go close in the Umbara arc. The general batch of clones also seem brutal given how they were raised. I can totally see clones being far more inhuman to general populations in the same manor that the CIS are.

>>149207180
/thread
Only the original trilogy matters.

>>149210433
OT purists are so fucking annoying.

>>149208297
Yeah, you are probably right. Just that picture of Vader's face (helmet) into killing Vill is good enough.

Not that killing a single clone makes a lot of sense, but I guess Darkside users whose whole shtick is being emotionally driven might do that.

>>149207081 (OP)
The clones being the “good guy” army was the worst thing to happen to Star Wars. It obfuscates the storm troopers to heavily and we lose the idea that average men rose up and believed what the government told them to make the empire

>>149208913
Why do they need to be actual characters? They exist only to kill the jedi. They don't become stormtroopers

>>149208585
Because it was abstract enough they didn't have to mind wipe Anakin rendering the whole arc pointless

>>149207208
It is, in fact.

>>149208384
They did.

>>149210895
>abstract enough
>cave paintings literally turn into Darth Vader

>>149207180
Everything produced since the Disney buyout is canon.

>>149211067
Are you pretending to be stupid?

>>149207081 (OP)
every single vader comic Ive seen makes him look like a little bitch

>>149211547
Where did comic writers get the idea that Vader is sensitive about people seeing his face?
In the movies he's pretty indifferent to people walking in while he's in his chamber with his helmet off.

>>149208567
All Orders were publicly known. It was the inclusion of Order 67 that lessened suspicion of Order 66. Like giving someone a loaded gun because you yourself have one. You just never thought he would pull the trigger before you could.

PS. By public I mean Senators. Clones and Jedi have no need to find out what clauses politics have inserted into bills.

>just found out the Clone Troopers were using pictures and art of Padme as masturbation material
kek

>>149208567
What in Revenge of the Sith implies the order involves some kind of mind-control?

I thought rather the idea was that the clones were never "good guys" and were always just doing what they told with no moral sense; that's why Palpatine wanted them in the first place.

>>149211696
Cody calls Palpatine "My Lord" when he gets the order. At that point Palpatine was still the Chancellor (and even if he had been voted Emperor it's not like Cody would've gotten the news on Utapau).

>>149211734
That's Order 66(a), to be executed simultaneously with Order 66.

66 (a): The Chancellor shall immediately be referred to as "My Lord" by all members of the Republic Clone Army until such a time as the Chancellor declares otherwise.

>>149211630
This was always retarded, and it was only the case in Karen Traviss' fanfiction, because the bitch was insane and hated the Jedi, and wanted to make them out as dumb as possible. The movies made it clear, explicitly, that the Jedi kept a close eye on the Senate, they had loyal senators, such as Padme, Mon Mothma, Bail Organa, and others. If anything like this stupid fanfiction was ever the case, they would've known about it, and it would have been brought up. The movie also made it clear that Order 66 was a secret known only to Palpatine. Anakin didn't know, Bail Organa didn't know, Obi-Wan didn't know. Nobody knew.

>>149211696
"It will be done, my Lord."

The word "lord" was only ever used when addressing the Sith. It was only ever used when referring to Sidious, Maul, Tyranus, and Vader. So it wasn't a lawful order from the Chancellor of the Republic, as many stupid people want you to believe, since the Chancellor was never ever addressed as "lord" by anyone ever in any of the films or 130 episodes of Clone Wars—it was an order from a Sith Lord, that could only be issued by Darth Sidious, who created the clones for this one purpose. The clones couldn't have known his identity and be on it all along consciously, obviously, because in 3 years someone would have spilled the beans—intentionally or not—and they would not be able to conceal it when stationed next to the psychic mind-readers, who can feel your thoughts and mood. Given that we've seen deep trust and camaraderie the clones and Jedi have developed in 3 years of warfare, fighting side by side, saving each others lives, dying for each other—it follows that neither party was privy to it. Therefore they were sleeper agents, who had no idea it was in them until it was activated. Lucas himself said that the clones are programmed, and the whole thing was inspired by Manchurian Candidate, where a bunch of American POWs were programmed by the Soviets to assassinate politicians on a trigger word.

>>149211630
>All Orders were publicly known
Says who, dumbass? Having the jedi lead clones knowing that they could turn on them at a moment's notice is fucking retarded.

>>149208364
This is why the prequel trilogy sucks--Anakin's reasons for turning to the Dark Side were laughable.

Of course, if they'd given him a serious reason--such as Padme dying and Palpatine convincing Anakin that the Jedi were responsible--then we'd have the audience leaving the theater rooting for Vader.

>>149211913
The alternative is that the clones just follow orders, and they were ordered not to discuss the "kill the Jedi" order with the Jedi. Being willing to kill th Jedi after fighting by their sides for years is perverse...and the clones are indeed perverse. They are a tyrant's perfect enforcers who just do what they're told no matter what it is and even if it kills them.

>>149211643
>Anakin can't publically make too much of a fuss about it cause otherwise secrets out
>or in a more comedic vein, he's totally into it and they all get a bit concerned that he keeps telling them that obviously Padme needs to be drawn even more bodacious and rockin'

>>149211270
They actually contradict their own "canon" a lot.

>>149212239
>and the clones are indeed perverse. They are a tyrant's perfect enforcers who just do what they're told no matter what it is and even if it kills them.
That's fanfiction.

The fanfiction is better than Lucas' crap, which is nice to look at and nothing else.

>>149213747
>NOOOO THE RANDOM SHIT I MADE UP IS BETTER!
Okay, go make your own billion dollar science fiction movie franchise then.

>>149213776
>Both Avatar movies so far have made lots of money, that must mean they're peak storytelling and not just pretty pictures!

Retard.

>>149213747
I'd love to hear how and why you think this.

>>149213812
What I'm saying is, if you think your ideas are so much better than George's, why don't you go prove it by making your own thing instead of bitching about somebody else's story not being the way you want it.

>>149207081 (OP)
That's clearly a pre-Disney Dark Horse comic you fucking dumbass.

>>149208913
>they were actual characters
yeah but they were shit characters

>>149211547
>>149211613
In the movies nobody say his face either and the officer who did walk in while he was putting his helmet on was quiet until the helmet was on.

Also during the early era of the empire there was also the whole "Nobody can known I'm Anakin because he's dead" thing he had going on.

>>149214261
George get off the Internet

THE. CHIPS. WERE. A. RETCON
Anyone who follow Star Wars behind the scenes knows that Lucas flip-flops all the time and then pretends that this was his intention the whole time. Darth Vader was originally a seperate character from Luke's dad(who's name was probably Kane based on the drafts), Leia and Luke were only siblings because Lucas wrote himself into a corner when he wrote "There is another", which was meant to the Sequel protagonist(basically Rey) until he decided he didn't wanna do that. For all the Lucas glazing that happens by anti-Disney fans, it was Lucas himself that said Legends was never canon(he approved them cause it was extra revenue for him), you thought the Sequels were bad for ruining Anakin's sacrifice and the prophecy? Lucas would've brought back Darth Maul and made Leia the chosen one XD