Why people mostly CN fans refuse to acknowledge Disney Channel's impact in animation?

idk if you split hairs between the channel and the movie studio then yeah disney channel is an after thought.

>>149208415 (OP)
Because Disney Channel shows were either live action shit (not animation, obviously) or the kind of direct-to-TV slop based on existing movies that was given a pittance for budget to make some easy money on brand recognition. Nick and CN's shows were largely original creations written and drawn by industry veterans. Disney's shows were all about pushing "recognizable IP," and it didn't help that it was also a specialty channel that didn't come in a lot of cable packages to begin with (so many kids never got to see those shows anyway).

Even to this day, shit like P&F feels completely forced, like Disney was trying to capitalize on meme culture and the nostalgia of a handful of kids to pretend like it was some amazing show that rivaled Spongebob.

>>149208415 (OP)
Stupid ESL can't understand interrogative syntax.

>>149208415 (OP)
The Disney Channel kids at my school grew up gay.

I just had to google what "we listen and we don't judge" trend is.
Are you seriously telling me thousands of married couples were baited into revealing damaging shit to each other and an audience because they wanted to partake in some viral trend about being le vulnerable and wholesome?
To lay it down
>Couple goes in front of camera
>Confess 'secrets' about their relationship to one another
>A good number of these are blatantly just the ways they've secretly manipulated each other to get their way.
Like they're over here saying shit like
>I've thought of sleeping with your best friend
>I pretend to be sick around the holidays because I hate your fucking family
>I slept with multiple guys right before we started dating to help convince me I wasn't settling.
>I sit on the toilet when you're upset and pretend to go to the bathroom so I don't have to put up with you.

Imagine dropping a fucking firecracker into your marriage just to be part of the big trend

you were called a fag if you watched disney after the early 2000s

>>149208415 (OP)
The only animated show I ever gave a fuck about from them post 2000 was House of Mouse, and they refuse to acknowledge it. As stifling as Nick was towards everything that wasn't Spongebob, they still had a shitload of variety, same as CN. Add to that CN creating Adult Swim and pushing for adult animation on top of what they were making, and it blows Disney out of the water.

>>149208415 (OP)
As a 2002 zoomer, Cartoon Network just had such a dominant lineup that I couldn't see any other channel competing with it. The only nicktoon I liked as a kid was Spongebob, and the only Disney XD show I have any fond memories of is actually Kick Buttowski. Meanwhile, it's easier to list the CN shows I didn't like.

>>149208839
Actually I liked phineas and ferb too

>>149208839
>Kick Buttowski
You must be brown if you liked that ugly and unfunny shit.

>Live Action kidcoms hogged the spotlight
>They're butthurt over The Owl House getting canned

>>149208415 (OP)
Phineas & Ferb was ugly as sin and you had to be at least a little autistic to like it.

>>149209113
Not really

>>149209113
Shut the fuck up you tranny

>>149208415 (OP)
Cartoon Network is dead you sonuvabitch

>>149209243
He could just have aesthetic taste instead of settling for lgbtq therapy shows instead

>>149208415 (OP)
Disney Channel could have been competitive, but they stopped their momentum in the early 2000s for sitcoms. It took CN and Nick fucking up for Disney to bounce back.

>>149209312
Shut the fuck up mongrel

>>149208505
in a lot of countries you didn't need a special disney channel to watch phineas and ferb, it ran on regular tv channels

>>149208415 (OP)
Because when it began, it was only a rerun dump, just like Nickelodeon.

>>149209375

>>149209590
Kys faggot

>>149208852
fuck you that show had SOVL

>>149209113
I think it's funny, but the songs are cringe.

>>149209243
>>149209375
>>149209639
Kill yourself, AdventureTranny.

>>149209707
Keep seething

>>149209666
The songs are kino, faggot

>>149209590
Why are his eyes so big? Is this a filter?

>>149209113
They hated him because he spoke the truth.

>>149209789
They hated him cause he’s a huge faggot like you

>>149209653
I don't see you denying that you're brown.

>>149208415 (OP)
Autistic people tend to only assume their own favorite shows that they personally watched had impact and anything they did not care for was obviously not watched by anyone else either.

They really do think they are a main character in the tv series of life.

>>149209983
I'm white but I don't really feel the need to flaunt it because I'm not insecure about my race like a brown person. You seem brown yourself.

>>149208751
>I sit on the toilet when you're upset and pretend to go to the bathroom so I don't have to put up with you.

I do this at work with my supervisor

>>149209983
I look like this and I HATE Kick Buttowski.

>>149208415 (OP)
Cartoon Network was cool, half of Nick sucked but it had spongebob and drake and josh, jetix had the better disney channel cartoons plus plenty of french and korean shows and disney channel just felt like this sanitized, safe and bland channel with so many very fake sitcoms that feel only watchable if you're American.

>>149210115
Like I couldn't care less about two rich twins living in a cruise ship and discount harry potter

>>149208415 (OP)
I just never cared about Disney most of the time and thought it was for girls (when I wasn't watching Zach & Cody)

>Why people mostly CN fans refuse to acknowledge Disney Channel's impact in animation?
Because they don't fucking deserve it. Most of their most influential shows gained influence through their ABC runs, got canceled too quickly, had bizarre later halves, ended up being mismanaged, or are Phineas and Ferb or Kim Possible.

Also Disney's shows have mostly only influenced Disney shows. Nobody's jacking Disney's style cause Disney has no style. Hell their best shit since the turn of the millennium has been shit that jacked other shits' styles. And Phineas and Ferb.

Look, I'm not gonna knock Phineas and Ferb. Inb4 they ruin it with the revival.

>>149210341
And to be clear here, I am not saying Disney shows are not stylistically identifiable. I'm saying they tend to look lame.

most of disney's shows are boring toddler slop that you wouldn't watch unless you were a toddler or taking care of one. disney S&P were thoroughly anti-fun and most CN and nick shows were better by default.

>>149208415 (OP)
Disney Channel is easy to label as the odd one out due to it's association with the mouse and the lack of truly iconic shows it had compared to Nick and CN (Doesn't help that most disney shows came off as "kiddy"). Plus, the people who grew up primary with Disney Channel come off as theater kids and I don't know why

>>149210115
jetix kind of sucked, 90% of its programming was early fairly oddparents
disney actually had some cool cartoons that i never watched as a kid and found recently for the first time like Fillmore and Pepper Ann. Idk if it's because I'm south american but istg these shows didn't air on Disney Channel. Idk if it was a regional thing or there was another, exclusive version of DC that aired them.

>>149208415 (OP)
Just a simple matter of Disney Channel being more famous for its live-action shows, so the animation gets overshadowed in online discourse.
Still, they had more hits than just Phineas and Ferb, like Kim Possible, Jake Long and Gravity Falls.

>>149211045
whats funny is that, iirc, nickelodeon was the one that started the live action hits on cartoon channels
dan the man with a plan to get you to his van

>>149210027
>no u
As expected of a third world shit-eater.

>>149208415 (OP)
Theyre jealous that Disney Channel has always mogged them in the ratings.

https://www.nickandmore.com/2011/02/08/cable-ratings-january-31-february-6-2011/

>>149211177
How old is this?

>>149211233
January 31 - February 6 2011

>>149208415 (OP)
Because Disney Channel has always mainly focused on live action kids shows to appeal to their pedophile producers.

>>149211040
That would be it's major downside yeah, but it was really funny to see nick lose the rights to the show's best seasons

>>149208415 (OP)
They're talking about the animated TV department not feature animation which Disney has obviously had a stranglehold in the United States and because Disney was jewish and moved all their top tier animated content (Gargoyles, Timon & Puumba, Aladdin & Hercules series, Darkwing Duck/Duck Tales/Quack Pack/Mighty Ducks, Goof Troop, Doug, Pepper Anne, Tailspin, Rescue Rangers, even Tarzan & Jane, etc.) over to "Toon Disney" so anyone who grew up with basic cable grew up with a Disney Channel that mostly played live action shows. In the late 90's/early 00's this was cool because you had shows like So Weird, Boy Meets World, Lizzie McGuire, Even Stevens, In a Heartbeat, etc and Disney Channel Original Movies like Halloweentown, Phantom of the Megaplex, My Date With the President's Daughter, Thirteenth Year, etc. but no real "good" cartoons other than The Little Mermaid tie-in series, Kim Possible, and the occasional New Adventures of Winnie the Pooh. By the mid 00's it was even worse as all of those got canned and replaced by things like Hannah Montana, Wizards of Waverly Place, Shake It Up!, Zack & Cody, Hey Jesse, and the occasional toon that would get cancelled like Buzz on Maggie so really CN was the juggernaut of cartoons, especially when kids got old enough to watch not so secretly watch Adult Swim later in the evening/passed their bedtime and Nick was always the second option with shows like Rugrats, CatDog, Angry Beavers, and then eventually becoming the channel that you would watch SpongeBob or Avatar: the Last Airbender on.

I remember as a kid thinking it was weird how CN was my go-to greatest of all time pick except for a month in summer when I'd go visit my Aunt and Uncle and get access to Toon Disney and forget CN even existed. If Disney has just been a little less jewish and made Toon Disney available on basic cable nationwide they would've dominated households and minds but they unfortunately sealed their fate with that business decision.

>>149209113
No, a lot of Zoom-zooms like it

In the US at least Disney Channel was not a basic cable channel until 1998 I believe, you had to pay extra like HBO. DC's "impact" is largely overshadowed by how Disney showed most of their new cartoons on ABC or Disney Afternoon for a decade
Disney also doesn't have the record that CN and especially Nickelodeon has. For every P&F or Kim Possible there's a Brandy & Mr. Whiskers

>>149210141
Those shoes were for girls and also boys in puberty who wanted to fuck the girls. Everyone used to talk about wanting to plow Miley, Selena, Victoria Justice, and Bailey from Zack & Cody

>>149211040
Fillmore! Another amazing show confined to Toon Disney and kids who could get satellite. It sucked even more because they made a big deal out of the premiere and showed it on regular Disney then moved it I assume to get kids to beg their parents to switch TV providers

>>149208415 (OP)
Hey, late 90's/early 00's kid here. I'm guessing older millenials feel like Disney Channel didn't really have an impact on animation because the Disney Channel they remember was just live-action sitcoms and low budget sequel shows to their animated movies while 90's Nick and CN were where new IP's with different art styles and genres were being developed. However over that first decade of the 21th century Nick became more and more about just teen sitcoms and re-runs of Sponge Bob and kind of got stuck there; CN went through a live-action phase and it just didn't work, the early 2010's is where the western tv animation giants were Disney and CN, Gravity Falls and Star vs Foe on Disney and Gumball and Steven Universe on CN all of them having huge fandoms, there were more shows but those are the ones I can think off at the top of my head. Even more recently Disney continues to produce popular animated series (Amphibia, Owl House, Molly McGee for example) while Nick squeezes Spongebob even further and CN seems to no longer exist.

>>149209590
Reminder that millennials are low-t soi beta faggots who go to Starbucks and make stomp clap stomp music while zoomer chads are red-pilled chads who hate Israel

>>149208415 (OP)
While Nick and CN were airing some of their most iconic shows in the history of their respective channels, Disney was going all in on live action sitcom shit. They may a shitload of money off Hannah Montana and Suite Life, but if they were doing any animation, it was aired sparingly and rarely lasted more than a few seasons, unless it was a baby show like Roly Poly Oly.

>>149208415 (OP)
It's because Disney Channel never had a cartoon-oriented brand identity after the 90s, it was always marketed as the channel for tween girl sitcoms and their animated shows were squished in-between live action shows
Cartoon Network is basically centered around cartoons and Nickelodeon's brand identity was dominated by cartoons from the 90s to the 2000s until around the time iCarly came out and they began to focus more on sitcoms and cartoons not named SpongeBob SquarePants began to get neglected

>>149208505
>it was also a specialty channel that didn't come in a lot of cable packages to begin with (so many kids never got to see those shows anyway)
it became a standard cable channel at the end of the 90's, when they started making original shows

>>149208505
>like Disney was trying to capitalize on meme culture
It was more like the creators forcing in catchphrases cause other animated shows they liked had them.

>>149208415 (OP)
Disney Channel's cartoons were all lame shit. And before anyone says Gargoyles or House of Mouse those were not Disney Channel cartoon series.

And if Phineas and Ferb is the best Disney Channel can do then a lot of people should be murdered. Shitty cartoon with a shitty art style and blatantly repetitive formula that gives the original Scooby Doo a run for its money. I still remember how in one episode Phineas openly admitted the formula is indeed repetitive but that they will do it anyway. And the characters are all shitty and uninteresting.

>>149208505
>Because Disney Channel shows were either live action shit

And it must be said Disney's Live Action media is horrible shit. Seeing teenagers and adults behave as if they are castrated is NOT entertaining. Teenagers who don't swear and adults who seem to be happy all the time it's such forced fake bullshit. Give me a live action sitcom like Married with Children since it at least doesn't insult the intelligence of the audience.

Incidentally this is why Disney's live action media suffers so much, the characters don't act like real human beings. Humans are morally grey in their nature but Disney's Live Action Media loves to pretend that humans are family friendly. Pirates of the Caribbean was a fluke for Disney.

>>149210168
>I just never cared about Disney most of the time and thought it was for girls

They ARE for girls. Disney doesn't make anything for boys. Their male characters always come across as neutered, no boys will watch lame shit like that. Especially series about Mary Sues who emasculate the male characters one of the reasons people say Disney Killed Star Wars.

Your intuition is correct, Disney IS for girls. And I hope it kills them somehow.

>>149212730
Shut the fuck up tranny

Why did Phineas and Ferb become the first Disney Channel cartoon to rival Nick and CN in ratings?

Adventuretranny's here:
>>149213699

>>149213738
because i guess a show about a teenage fly living among heaps of rotten garbage aimed at girls was just too ahead of its time

>>149208415 (OP)
Disney Channel channel was always much closer to catching up to Nickelodeon (especially during Nick's pre-TLH turbozombie era) than CN was to either of them. It's like throwing a WNBA star in the midsts of a Jordan vs LeBron debate.

CN had a lot of artificial fake popularity, mostly bolstered by shills and fanartists online.

>>149214841
Retard

>>149215123
Xister..... xhe's right.... the ratings of CN just never could compare to Nickelodeon or even Phineas reruns.

>>149208415 (OP)

Someone need to show Miguel the Disney Afternoon block from the 80's and 90's. There was a decade before the 2000's y'know.

>>149208415 (OP)
well lets see what each channel had going for its main lineup in the millenium switch
>CN
Samurai Jack
Edd Ed Eddy
Courage The Cowardly Dog
Ben 10
Johnny Bravo
Powerpuf Girls
Batman Beyond
Justice League/Unlimited
Toonami if you count that as well
>Nickelodeon
the absolute beast that was Spongebob S1-3
Fairly Odd Parents
Invader Zimm
My Life as a Teenage Robot
Danny Phantom
fucking AVATAR

>Meanwhile Disney channel
Jake Long American dragon
Kim Possible and uhh
uhhh Dave the Barbarian?

Disney really wasnt a channel most kids tuned into, it was the live action slop channel for girls

>>149210115
Jetix was king here in the UK.

>>149215234
Replacements
Brandi and Whiskers

>>149215496
be honest with yourself anon, where those good shows or where they all you had to watch on a sick day from school?

>>149215507
I didn't imply either of those, just saying that those were also shows they had, good or bad

>>149208839
2000 zoomer here and I agree.
CN had just a really solid lineup of older shows with the newer weaker ones filling in the gaps.
Meanwhile Nick was into is Spongebob death march and Disney had live action shows.

>>149215655
>weaker ones
Nah

>>149215507
I remember not liking Replacements
I liked Brandi and Whisker tho

>>149208505
>>149208415 (OP)
I never had Disney and Nickledeon.
I had CN, FoxKids, Minimax and CN was my dogshit channel I only churned in to see if there's any new episodes and there wasn't anything I liked on FoxKids+Jetix else I changed the channel and would rather watch fucking Minimax the children's channel than CN.
I was tired of the same old Cow & Chicken and I am Weasel, Dexter's Lab and PPG and Johnny Bravo, those were the main shows back then. Never ever have I seen Swat Kats airing on CN during my time -_- fucking pieces of shits. All the good shows were shelved for no reason. Only when the internet came did I managed to watch Swat Kats in a crappy quality on Youtube in 480p.

>>149208839
I am so fucking glad I am not a South American retard who grew up on Spongebob.
I always disregarded The Simpsons because I didn't have Comedy Central and I was expecting Spongebob garbage. Same with Futurama. I only saw a few clips and bits of the worst episodes when I was a kid and I thought to myself "Oh look animation pretending to be Married with Children where it's 90% talking, thanks I have The Flinstones and TopCat for that which bores me to death" only later did I notice Simpsons is neither Family Guy garbage neither Spongebob garbage and I gave it a chance and I was surprised how well written it is.

However back then I had much much much superior shows with a superior art style and writing on my FoxKids ironically also made by Americans. It was called Life with Louie. Infinitely better written without that hypocritcal Simpsons style of "Oh these unfunny whacky Flinstones-tier characters who are complete assholes suddenly feel sad for their actions :( let's feel sad together with them." Fuck off. Life With Louie's moments never felt so hypocritical and forced like The Simpsons.
The most I enjoyed out of The Simpsons was the plot A-B-C stuff and SIdeshow Bob ... grab Sideshow Bob and mix with him w/ good plots The Simpsons Family undeseverdly got and it's great.

>>149215676
The shows I'm calling weaker were stuff like My Gym Partners a Monkey and Juniper Lee.
When you put them up against stuff like EE&E, Grim Adventures, KND, and reruns of PPG and Dexter its an unfair matchup.
The CN Real and after era of TDI, Flapjack and Chowder is its own thing.

This place is dangerously zoomer. What's funny is that millennials /mlp/s had about the same hippy way of talking as zoomers nowadays.
/co/ back in 2008-2013 used to be smarter before tumblr invaded.

>>149215717
>>149215676
>The CN Real and after era of TDI, Flapjack and Chowder is its own thing.
Yeah those are complete dog shit and cat piss.

Juniper Lee ironically was better than Jake Long.
My Gym Partner's a Monkey was dogshit tho, like combining Foster's Home, the Fish show with the worst aspects of Cow & Chicken's gross humour with none of the creativity. The worst aspects of Ren & Stimpy without the actual grit, instead felt like I was watching Foster's Home without the enjoyable side characters.

>>149208415 (OP)
I've noticed that CNtendies try to downplay how much of an impact Gravity Falls and Star Vs had, they both mogged CN's biggest shows when they premiered, over a million viewer difference. I was reading an article about AIslop and whoever wrote it quoted the manlet as "the guy who created Gravity Falls" so it name still echoes in eternity while Adventure Slop/Tranny Universe have thankfully been forgotten by the public conscience.

It's around the 2012 period that CN fumbled the ball when they were building up momentum enough to seriously challenge the other giants. Likewise, Nickelodeon adapted and put out TLH which also gets no respect from the (((cartoon community))) despite its viewership utterly mogging Steven Universe and other groomer darlings when it premiered.

>>149215736
Kys manletfag

>>149215720
Keep seething

>>149215750
>Same mentally retarded line from 2016
Keep being a retarded gen-Zer, you type like a bot.

>>149215753
Nobody cares millenoid

>>149215730
I should probably go reassess Juniper Lee but to my recollection pf the late 04 to 06 era of cartoons the only real standout was Ben 10 which left like an entirely different beast from the rest of the channel.
>>149215736
All the discussion about CN in this thread has been about its late 90s through mid 2000s offerings.
The post 08 stuff was a wasteland outside of P&F and AT revived the industry as a whole and got its flowers for that.
But yes in the mid 2010s-now Disney has constantly put out the best content.

>>149215759
>Still replies
Apparently you do, bot.
Go fuck yourself back to >>>/pol/.

>>149215775
>muh /pol/ boogeyman

>>149215779
Oh bravo a retarded spic bot. Go screw with the Steven Tranniverse fags.

>>149215784
I’m not a taco but you are a faggot

>>149215704
Why do insecure brown people always accuse you of being brown out of nowhere?

>>149215704
Kys tacoshart

Whatever channel had Star Wars: the Clone Wars was going to be my favorite as a kid, it was really that simple.

>>149215791
>>149215816
>>149215822
You posted dragonball, what are you doing? lying to yourself? You think I'm not seeing your exact filename, dumbass? you admitted 2 weeks ago you're portuguese you dumbass.
Who the fuck are you trying to kid? you're brown. I'm not sure what's up but every gen-Z is also a brown for some reason.
Go back to >>>/a/.

>>149215834
im not the dbz guy. also post hand

>>149215834
I never said that you retard

>>149208415 (OP)
Well, they eventually caught up with CN and Nick since they are both dead, while Disney is the only network still producing new content.

>>149215882
Shut up you underage lying piece of shit. You're dumber than Cleverbot.

>>149215983
You are lying millenialtroon

>>149215983
Lol no hand posted. You are brown 100%