This is the reverse of Steven Universe
>its good
>it's cool
>it's not heavily gay

you think mighty max railed polly pocket?

also
>cartoon developed to sell a line of toys is awesome and everyone likes it but the hippies who hate toys and cartoons dont like commercialism so it had to stop
then we got steven universe

>>149210272
Ever notice how the "creator driven" "elitists" here are like, only fans of SU, Star Vs., etc? Hell the only modern girly pastel show that was worth the hype was a toy show too, you know the one

>>149210551
unironically its a winning combo. the corps dont give a fuck about what you do in the show as long as you put their engineer's latest thingy in an episode.
all you had to do was make the show cool. all you had to do was make up a story about why this plastic doll was beating up the other plastic doll.
the weather underground took over and finger wagged that kind of shit into oblivion. now all our shows are aimless and forgettable.
>heres another show about uhm uhhh some kids and they use their imagination and ooooh this older female doesnt approve! look out. or dont we werent renewed.
if the toys sold your show got a budget.

Well, not that game.

>>149210778
That's why the horsies show got 9 seasons and spinoffs, movies etc while those ever praised "creator driven shows" got cancelled at like 3 half seasons

>>149210266
he had a reverse spit roast with bea and jiffy. the former riding his dick and the latter sitting on his face.

>>149210792
Shut up Boco

>>149211881

Just saying. Its garbage.

>>149211893
Shut up Boco

>>149210930
That show had to be put on life support 5 times. How much money yu want to bet that this show was one of the reasons why CN died?

>>149213105
What show

>>149213312
Steven universe. I feel like a lot problems stem from the fact that this show and poor direction, mismanagement and dogshit decisions.

Especially since this show had the luxury to have steven bombs. While any other show would get axed in a nanosecond the moment ratings dropped.

You truly don't know how good you had it until it's gone. 90s media was just different.

>>149210272
Whats the story on this? Never heard of what youre talking about, I thought video games/internet just replaced traditional toys too much, thus hamstringing that whole animation/toy connected industry

>>149210551
>Ever notice how the "creator driven" "elitists" here are like, only fans of SU, Star Vs., etc? Hell the only modern girly pastel show that was worth the hype was a toy show too, you know the one

Thats only because John K shut the bed. He was the oeginal Creator driven show postor boy. The only person that sings his praises is that one nut.

Not sure why so many other nick and cartoon network creator driven shows are forgotten.

Toy driven shows are great. At least the show starts with a bunch of ideas that a team hopes kids will like. Can't say that for creator driven shows.

>>149213491
Video games are a lot more expensive than traditional toys, which is why you rarely see games tide to cartoons. The internet is agreat way to advertise but not entirely enough t save a product.

I don't think anyone wants a toy of Steven Universe himself but the Gems would be pretty cool to have around. I feel like a version of SU that embraced its more mahou shojo roots instead of doing the slice of life townie shit would've been a lot better, and if it didn't have the titular character dragging everything down

>>149213541
From retrospect I think most people will consider that SU was a failure. That show had no merch to save it from bankruptcy. Viewership was defiantly plummeting if they had to use the "Steven bombs". Which also managed to make things worse since the gaps between releases were too big. Show getting haphazardly canned on the 3rd season. Dont think anybody know much the SU movie even made either.

Creative driven shows are simply doomed for failure.

>>149213954
Shut up retard

>>149213954
Not all are, but the 2010s era was

Kids only like two things, funny and cool. These shows manage to avoid either appeal because they were made by and for unfunny, uncool, Tumblrina womanchildren. Thus Teen Titans was enjoyed by kids

>>149214057
Nah I'm good.

>>149214057
>Doesn't like argument
>Doesn't refute points
>Just go for insults because fuck it.

>>149214309
There’s argument is retarded, no need to waste time on that

>>149214321
I mean like can you even consider SU a success?

>>149214347
It got five seasons, a movie, a sequel, comics and games so it left his mark on pop culture for better or worse

>>149214369

Not the point of the argument I made. nobody is disagreeing with you it didn't leave a mark. It just wasn't that great for CN in the long run.

Steven bombs were self defeating because it messed with the schedule and caused the show to lose relevancy with the hiatus. You really think a normal kid gonna stay in touch with this dogshit schedule for steven bombs?

Barely anyone cared about those games and most likely didn't pull enough profit. Dont know about the comics but I doubt they made a difference.

I don't know what sequel you're talking about but su future is an epilogoue not a sequel.

Almost all of CNs TV show had movies so this isnt much of a feat.

I mentioned the movie because they put this in theaters. The last time CN tried doing this it was the PPG movie and that failed miserably.

I'm not trying to be a hater man, I just don't think this show did much to help CN.

>>149214099
Then was immediately cutshort and was replaced with ttg which outlasted almost everything on that network. Sad times.

It's baffling how Steven Universe ended six years ago and people are still pissed off about it.

>>149214688
No one's pissed off about it here.

>>149210233 (OP)
I only heard of this because of JonTron.

Greed is good

>>149216068
Kys molochtroon

>>149210233 (OP)
>>its good
>>it's cool
SU was too
>>it's not heavily gay
Implying the owl isn't super-gay.

>>149210266
>pop open one of their playsets
>Blush
>Swiftly close it

>>149210233 (OP)
Killface?

>>149213491
the most famous example is transformers. the show was explicitely made to give context to the toys. they were long form commercials. but then everybody liked it. i remember beastwars more than the original. a show that clearly was written by people who were not being given notes. they got to get away with whatever they wanted. all the depth and mystery that had nothing to do with anything. they got to finish their story too. because the toys were funding the show.

>>149213753
>CHECK IT OUT
>THE LATEST ST3VEN UNIVERSE ACTION SET
>FISH PIZZA! IT LINKS TOGETHER WITH FRYMAN FRIES!
>WITH TALKING ACTION
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>CHECK OUT STEVEN WITH HOTDOG EATING ACTION

>>149216133
got it backwards.
the devil worshipping trannies are the ones insisting creativety be divorced from the revenue stream. without the pursuit of money all thats left is pushing their agenda. hence why we jave all yhese movies and shows pushing their diatribe despite consistent commercial failures. SU is an anomaly for how succesful it was.

Beyblades made fucking tops sell. That shit's wild.
Yu Gi Oh became a huge TCG by accident. It wasn't the manga's original focus.
Shows could probably still sell merch to kids (hell, my nephew went through a beyblades phase a few years ago)

>>149216294
Hey now, most gems have designs perfect for toys

>>149214369
>It got five seasons, a movie, a sequel, comics and games
But did these things make money?
I quickly looked it up and the movie made 25 thousand in theatres.

>>149216384
where's the garnet figure with rocket punch action? how about a transforming amethyst? uhm uhhh some kinda dancing pearl?
i just ggogled it. lots of ornaments, a lego set. not even tea party level figures.

>>149212814
Nah, Boco’s might be a retard 99% of the time but he’s right here. The Mighty Max game is TRASH. I bought the SNES version with my own fucking money as a kid because I loved the show and had to suffer through it for weeks. The worst part is I remember my dad telling me
>Anon, you’ve whined about every cartoon game you’ve ever played, you NEVER like them. Why don’t you buy something original like, uhhhh, "Demon's Crest" yeah this looks pretty cool. How bout it kid?
But I thought the guy’s head on the box looked dumb so I went with this garbage:
https://youtu.be/quZQl2-xayQ
I could have been playing fucking Demon’s Crest.

>>149216438
Exactly the point the anon above you was trying to say. Doesnt matter how many people online are talking about it or it's "pop culture." If it's not making its money back, then things are going bad. The show itself had to be put on hiatus multiple times and released mostly filler up until the last season. Besides fans do you think kids still stuck around to watch it with such a shitty schedule?

>>149214369
>It got five seasons

Which was cut abruptly short along with some of the funding because Sugar thought adding a gay wedding in a KIDS show wouldn't have any consequences.


>a movie
And how much did it make? Fans love the show so much that it surely made bank, right?


>A sequel

Dude, Steven Universe Future was an epilogue with 20 episodes. At best, it's a spin-off


>Comics and games

Be for real man. Neither of these did anything to help the show. Comics at the time were already niche, and SU had like three games, but they were small-scaled.

>>149216438
God I hope thats false, cause that is absolutely embarrassing. No wonder why CN had to course correct and turn itself into a show for toddlers.

>>149218195
yeah it is
>25,000
this would basically be $0. 25k wouldnt cover the cost of the mailer to the investers to tell them they made less than the cost of a new car.
but the real story is telling
>60% drop after weekend 2
that means all the obsessed fans ran out to see it, saw it, and were done. it didnt bring in the general audience. everyone who saw it twice probably saw it twice in the same weekend.

>>149218318
I mean....it kind of makes sense. A Blacklisted animator from an EZ PZ video stated that the reason why "Steven Bombs" were made specifically to hide the fact the show had abyssmal ratings, and it shows. It only makes sense that the general audience didn't show up if they couldn't even watch the show itself.

>>149218608
it makes so much sense that they cant figure it out. the answer is too obvious. they must go out of business and vacate the market.

>>149210233 (OP)
>Reverse Steven Universe
"Remember when you got cancelled in Bluesky for not respecting a trans person's pronouns? It was me, Steven. I edited your post at super-speed so it seemed you were a problematic chud!"

>>149218713
>>149218608
So they cheated to get artificial push

>>149218783
more like rebecca has connections and got special treatment.
dont look up who owned the sugar plantations in pre-civil war america.

>>149218783
Pretty much yeah. Its kinda funny in a fucked up way that this could be applied to most in the animation industry.

>>149218318
Wait, didn’t the movie only have a limited theatrical run for, like a single day in North America and then it ran for a week in Argentina and Uruguay? Also isn’t the wiki Google AI is stealing from, Idea Central, one of those fanon wikis that just makes shit up all the time? I dunno, I’m gonna need to see some actual sources on SU’s alleged failure.

>>149218747
how would max beat the diamonds and corrupted gems?
come to think of it, the hat didnt really give him super powers right? he had to do everything with his own grit. it was at the very end of the series with that 2 headed dragon that the hat actually did anything.

>>149218887
the citation is in the screenshot chud.

>>149218899
I mean if you seen the show its really not hard to beat them. Amethyst is susceptible to fall damage and Garnet got bodied by a green stick by Jasper.

>>149210266
There needs to be rule 34 on this, if there isn't any yet.

>>149210233 (OP)
And completely forgotten except for a few nearly 40 year olds.

>>149219039
yeah as opposed to completely forgotten like everything else.

>>149218906
The screenshot reeks of bullshit retard, especially considering that Box Office Mojo has the international release at $24,012 and doesn’t mention a domestic release AT ALL. Anyway I found the info I was looking for: Cinemark Argentina ran Steven Universe The Movie from October 24 to 30 2020 in Argentina, Paraguay and Uruguay, and it was only in ONE North American theater in LA as an early screening. It was supposed have a special, one night only, sing-along event in American Cinemark theaters but that got shitcanned because of Covid so they just released it on TV. Next time don’t just blindly believe AI or a wiki (yes, this includes Wikipedia, always check the sources they’re using before you quote them there’s a high chance they might be referencing bullshit) as both them are notoriously full of shit. You need to always verify this shit, you fucking mongoloid.

>>149219121
the assertion here is that the movie made 100% of its revenue in Argentina alone? they sold 0 tickets everywhere on earth but argentina and only a few thousand?

>>149219186
They sold 0 tickets everywhere on Earth except Argentina because it was ONLY shown in Argentinian Cinemark theaters and probably Paraguay and Uruguay too tho I’m not entirely sure desu. I saw a lot of articles that said it came out in those countries too and there were a bunch of Paraguayan and Uruguayan fans saying they saw it in theaters but I don’t have an explanation for why it’s only listing Argentina’s record. The best explanation I could come up with is, as it was distributed by Cinemark Argentina, maybe whoever compiled the data just assumed it all came from there? I dunno. and again, it was only in said theater for SIX DAYS. Frankly, it’s impressive it managed to make that much with all the bullshit surrounding it.

>>149219121
You're asking a retarded normiento actually go beyond the mainstream and the status quo.

>>149218783
At this point in modern animation industry who hasn't cheated to get their way?

>>149219399
Which is weird. Tbh. Wouldve been much easier and cheaper, and just showed the movie on TV instead

>>149219399
not according to imdb. not ai generated google results or a fan made wiki

>>149220552
They… They did. It was a TV movie that they put in theaters as a special event for fans. Actually here’s the series of events, probably should have done this earlier but oh well
>2016: Rebecca Sugar is told that Steven Universe will canceled at the end of the 5th season, she convinces Cartoon Network to let her extend the usual 25 episode count to 32 for the final season to finish the story and maybe a movie? CN says yes to the increased episode count and says yes to a TV movie
>July 21, 2018: Steven Universe The Movie is announced at San Diego Comic Con
>August 26, 2019: there’s an early screening at The Theater at Ace Hotel in LA (note: this kind of shit almost never impacts box office records)
>September 2, 2019: Steven Universe The Movie airs on TV on CN to 1.57 million viewers, the most they had in two years.
>October 24 to 30, 2019: Cinemark Argentina decide to show the movie for six days in it’s theaters in for some fucking reason. I dunno, maybe Steven Universe is really huge in South America? also yes I got the date wrong on >>149219121 despite being in the fucking picture, I am a retard Anyway, this is where the box office comes from.
>February 2020 (not sure the exact date): Fathom Events announces the Steven Universe The Movie Sing-A-Long Event + New Episode a special one night showing in select movie theaters throughout North America on March 23, 2020. This might have affected the box office if it wasn’t for
>before March 2020: COVID
>March 6 2020: because COVID fucked everything up they canceled the event screenings and just aired the sing-along version on TV instead, along with two episodes of Steven Universe Future which is the sequel series I haven’t mentioned until now because I just wanted to talk about the movie.

>>149220648
Those dates are referring to the television air dates (except for Argentina) because again, it was a TV movie originally.

>>149219580
I missed you, but let me just say I am very much aware my quest to stop this interminable amount of bullshit that’s infesting the internet is doomed to failure but it’s still a fight worth fighting anyway damnit! Also does anyone have the version of this painting where it’s a fat neckbeard with a fedora, trenchcoat, and katana? I wanted to use that one because it’s funny and might have made me seem slightly less pretentious, but I couldn’t find it :(

>>149214688
That was the last era of cartoons lol

Cable is dead period, and nobody cares about insular indie webtoons like Helluva Hotel other than their niche tranny audience

>>149221162
God I am bad at wording. I know they did but I wish that was all they did. Trying to expand it to theatres was just asking for issues.

>>149222246

>That was the last era of cartoons

Kinda sad huh? Especially when CN was on its death bed.

>>149210233 (OP)
Genesis does what Nintendon't.

>>149210266
I like to imagine it’s the other way.

>>149223435
>hey polly, got another "p" in your pocket? ive got a "mighty" need and im "max" ready

and oh fuuuuuuuuck first result when googling "mighty max". nostalgia hit me like an anvil. these dinky little toys were the coolest fuckin shit. they dont bother putting this much detail in plastic anymore.

>>149223580
hey maybe ill post the pic too
the skull was my first one

>>149213954
>>149214529
>>149217716
>>149218608
If it was a failure it would've been left behind like what happened to literally every cancelled show before and after SU. It objectively had some kind of success if it got milked like successful shows do. Even now, it's getting a chance most shows didn't, a proper resurfacing in modern day through yet another continuation show: Lars of the Stars Only prestigious cartoons get the treatment SU had like Gumball, Adventure Time, Regular Show, etc. Steven Universe had some kind of success.

>>149223580
>>149223589
Those toys ruled, I totally got wrapped up in micro adventures in my head with them

And yes, toys now are pathetic in comparison because inflation is a son of a bitch. A toy that costs double the price of it's equivalent from back then will also be cheaper plastic, less detailed, and have next to no paint

>>149217716
>It doesn't count because it didn't help the show!!!
Extremely retarded logic. The fact that Steven Universe got countless supplementary material including entire themed games proves it had star power. We don't have the actual numbers to determine how it performed, just the results, and SU ran for 5 seasons. It's confirmed we would've got more if Rebecca didn't double down on gay shit. The gay shit led to a substantial loss in funding and air time.

>>149224000
I won't argue if we are talking about seasons 1 to 3. I'll admit SU was at its peak. But seasons 3 to 5 had the worse hiatuses. Successful shows shouldn't have big hiccups like that. 162 days for the hiatus to finish from season 4 and 622 days for season 5.

Why do you think CN is spamming TTG consistently without breaks? Kids clearly are watching it.
>>149223827
Alright thats kind of a good argument but then again we don't have a release date. For all we know this would be stuck in hiatus hell

>>149223827
CN got woke leftie around those times, This is when the industry will try to scalp you if you follow Loli art even when it's not explicit or like Vtubers, but Sugar literally got hired for making Ed, Edd and Eddy Shota shit, also woman and jew.

She got special treatment so they did everything in their power to kept the illusion that SU really was more popular then it really was, I mean Big Mouth is still getting new seasons despite being so fucking bad.

Same with Simpsons and Family Guy still getting episodes despite being unwatchable and nobody watching them, its all just scams.

>>149223589
The Snake was the first one I got as a kid

>>149210266
Did Polly Pocket ever have a cartoon?

>>149224404
We don't know what happened behind the scenes to judge its success. Apparently the Crewniverse got really messy around S3 through 5 in general with controversy from Lauren Zuke and whatever the fuck. Steven Universe was successful its whole run since CN would've never gave them a movie, a spinoff nor getting yet another new show coming up if it flopped off the face of the planet. Uncle Grandpa and numerous other shows didn't get half of what Steven Universe had.
>>149224471
>CN got woke
Doesn't change that Steven Universe was loved. Arguing "special treatment" is delusional levels of cope. There were multiple woke pieces of content from CN that never saw the light of day. If SU was a flop it wouldn't get yet ANOTHER follow up show and a ridiculous amount of games/comics. There's an audience for this.

Also yes. Big Mouth was more popular than it should've been. It unironically has a lot of fans defending it. Steven Universe, despite you and many's seething hatred, had massive star power just like a lot of other shows you deem trash. It objectively got watched and had support otherwise CN would've cancelled it in S2 and left it buried with no Lars of the Stars show.

>>149224897
I don't think SU was loved by kids though is the thing, it targeted the modern breed of social media "cartoon girls"

>>149225141
That's not true. Plenty of people grew up with Steven Universe and said as such. It has an audience of all ages like any cartoon.

>>149213541
https://crackmccraigen.tumblr.com/post/146644223579/part-3-of-toys-that-never-were-back-at-the-end

>>149224894
Yeah, she did. More than Max ever got too.
>a youtube series that lasted for 6 years with 100 episodes
>a tv show that started in 2018 that’s STILL going on today, with 150 episodes currently
>FOUR DTV movies (3 taking place in their own continuity and the latest being part of the current’s show continuity)
>allegedly there’s a live action movie with Lily Collins as Polly and Lena Dunham writing & directing being worked on right now
Meanwhile Mighty Max only got a two season, 40 episode tv show and a shitty game. They don’t even make his toys anymore.

>>149225646
Mighty Max has also got 10 issues comic series by Marvel Comics UK.

>>149225646
Well lots of little girl shows go on forever or rebooted forever, usually not noteworthy

>>149225404
>Plenty of people grew up with Steven Universe and said as such
An extreme minority, dude.
>It has an audience of all ages like any cartoon.
And? Most kids didn't watch it. Especially boys who thought it was for girls.

>>149210233 (OP)
>he goes to exotic real places
>fights distinct and often famous monsters
>everytime the conflict is an eleventh hour rescue when the villain is enacting his final strike and there has been a load of information Max has to learn as he goes to save the day.
>lastly: Max's magic hat is a hazardous power. Often puts himself in danger because he cant choose where anything portals are but must navigate dangers of getting in and out of them.

>>149213357
I think you are correct.

>>149213491
You know when Saturday morning cartoons on the network channels suddenly became lower production education cartoons? Maybe you saw "EiC" in the corner.

Basically networks were forced to only show cartoons that adhered to strict guidelines like they had to have some educational value. Cable channels did not have to follow this law so they took over.

>>149227631
I like how creative some of the "monster of the week" designs were not only unique & scary looking but they also has been shown you how deadly they truly were.

>>149213954
>Creative driven shows are simply doomed for failure.

Little bit. I think the issue is that you need that cross market synergy to have a cartoon be successful. In this regard the Creative making their show has not designed it around multimarketing avenues like things based on toys or games.

The only plus to a creative driven show is that cast jobs get merged like concept artists/storyboarder/director/etc. is just one person now.

To think of it another way, both types are creative driven shows but the difference is that creative is just a storyboards with ideas for a show and the other creative is a high level executive who wants to make a brand with a cartoon, toyline, and videogame all contributing to the popularity of a franchise.

>>149218318
There was a theatrical movie? When did that happen?

>>149213491
Oh, basically the liberals lobbied for some law saying that cartoons couldn't be a veiled advertisement for action figures anymore around the late 90's which caused Western Animation to lose over 90% of their budget since it was almost entirely propped up by toy companies paying them to make shows to sell their toys. Fun fact: That's why the Yu-Gi-Oh! anime has to change how the cards look in the show to be different from the real cards so they'll be in compliance with the law. The Japanese version uses cards that look like the actual show.

>>149227679
Twig head viking was brutal. He was just a viking who got stabbed in the brain with a stick and thrown in a snow pack for centuries. There is no reason why he should be alive.

>>149216316
Y'know that's a good point. If they were tied to toys and such they wouldn't be allowed to do all the woke stuff because execs would want the toys to have universal appeal, and we all know that POC toys don't sell at all which means all of the characters would be cool White guys and hot chicks.

Wow, this really was the silver bullet. If we could somehow reverse it everything would be cool again. Is change.org still a thing? Maybe we could make a petition for Trump to change the laws.

Im never going to believe anyone that says big mouth is popular. It is one of the most astroturfed campaigns of our lifetime and I will not allow it. I just have never met anyone in real life or online who likes that show.

>>149227162
You're making very lofty assumptions. Do you have a sample size and proof to back up such a claim?

>>149228234
>Do you have a sample size and proof to back up such a claim
Do you? You were making all these claims about the show being successful and how many kids loved it. Do you have proof of all that?

>>149228255
Nta but I don't know any kids in my family or of friends who watched it

TTG, MLP, paw patrol, bluey, is all the crap I see along with like JoJo siwa shit and neverending babbling about roblox and whatever "skividi toilet" is

>>149227751
He got a sequel story in the comics mentioned by >>149226688.

>>149210233 (OP)
Yet it's 2025 and we're still without DVDs or at least streaming, stuck with VHS-rips of limited episodes. Fucking sucks.

>>149224897
>Arguing "special treatment" is delusional levels of cope.
>There were multiple woke pieces of content from CN that never saw the light of day.
what do you think "special treatment" is?

>>149213474
90s media was just carrying on what 80s media started.

>>149211881
>>149212814
Doing God’s work anon. I don’t browse this board enough to tell Boco to shut up.
>>149217057
It’s not whether Boco is right or wrong anon, he just needs to be told to shut up. It’s an aging, albeit dated tradition that rarely anyone does anymore, but Boco really does need to shut the fuck up.

>>149227753
This is dumb as fuck.
PoC toys do sell you dumbass.as long as they make the person cool.
Roadblock from G.I.Joe,
Storm shadow from G.I.Joe
Bulletproof from C.O.P.S.
Bravestarr from Bravestarr.
Hell, even Mr T.

>>149227745
It was pretty much just Reed Bundt.
And while a liberal, he got conservative moms to agree with him.

>>149228895
>as long as they make the person cool.
l
o
l
well too bad. because the people in the driver seat have decided that not only will their be more browns in media buy also theyre going to be universally limpwristed soibois with goofy haircuts.
on the otherhand the bad guy will still be a tall muscular masculine white man.
too bad little brown boys. youll either be portrayed as fags or not at all thanks to the generosity of white(and jewish) women.

>>149228830
and 2000s media was 90s media on steroids

>>149228255
My proof was that SU got a billion pieces of content, proving that it was a success of some kind to the network. CN has a history of dropping "failed" products and dropping them HARD. It objectively had an audience and star power if it got not one but multiple games and multiple seasons/follow ups. CN doesn't give that to just anything especially to give SU yet another revival show. Since you were the one who claimed SU was some massive failure that didn't have an audience, you need to back that up.

>>149228769
That's not how special treatment works, retard. If CN cared about SU because they were "woke" or whatever the fuck, they wouldn't have kept SU around to this day. And they would've gave other woke shit some kind of push. It objectively had a success that made it standout and that's a proven fact from the content it got.

>>149218899
idk haven't watched mighty max
maybe he'd use a cool assfuck sword to kill them

>>149219121
even on wikipedia nobody is safe from the progressive bullshit, just saw a mere example of this shit in the comments of a page about breasts.

>>149229369
He has Norman to do the work

>>149228528
He's also green now & holds a chainsaw since he was also based after Hammers Ax Man from the original toy line.

>>149230201
>AI upscale

Why do people still believe these are good?

>>149229323
they cared about su because rebecca sugar is kosher royalty, and gave her project treatment seperate from everyone else.

>>149230201
yeah pretty much. he had norman and virgil to do the hard fighting/thinking for him.

>>149232564
They cared about it because it was successful. They gave SU the same treatment as Adventure Time, Regular Show and Gumball, other shows that were successful.

>>149231723
If this was ever released officially, you might be seeing the upscale that the studio did.

Or is that what you are referring to?

>>149231606
Which is odd since i think that character also got a comic story.

>>149231606
Woah
Never saw the comics

>>149235017
I saved the comics long time ago and they are mostly shorts one. Also, the comic version Marvel UK made are mix of the cartoon series and the toy line, putting together into one.
>>149219010
There's barely little unfortunately. Most of them are the main characters, Bea, and Max's mom. Pic related is what I made for over two months ago since I kinda new on drawing & I have barely free time on drawing, but as a fan of the Mighty Max franchise, I'm still working on more MM fanarts ideas. However, I can't promise anything at the moment.

>>149227879
Isn't Big Mouth a pedo show

>>149210233 (OP)
I'd actually say it's The Transformers G1, but you make a fair argument.

>>149213491
In addition to what others said, toy quality dropped massively outside of like, The Transformers, Lego, and Lego derivatives, and Lego notoriously started price hiking.

I remember when I first realized what it was that was happening, being a teen and seeing my parents get an action figure of batman on a motorcycle for my little [littler I guess, he was like 12] cousin around the time the movies with Hamil were new and it had 3 points of articulation and a pull motor with Batman fused to the bike like a McDonald's toy, despite being hyper detailed and the size of a forearm. Sure it used more plastic, but compared to the kinda action figures I'd had as a kid it was garbage and the kid predictably realized that while it was kinda cool and looked just like the movies he couldn't really fucking *do* anything with it and came to me to basically try and vent a little without seeming ungrateful [he was a good kid, moody, but good] I tried looking into getting him something cheap but maybe more fun like I used to have like some GI Joe or Star Wars or He-Man type figures you know like a couple palm sized, 10 point figures with accessories, because I remembered being like 12 and how getting a dud present wasn't great and could kinda ruin your day even if you put on a strong front to show gratitude about it, and they just didn't fucking exist almost anywhere, nor was there a good equivalent, closest I could find were overpriced Lego boxes with like 4 minifigs and a little gun emplacement or something, or the super cheapo ultra budget minitransformers , the Legends ones, that everyone always thought must be knockoffs even if they were actual official products.

Not only were toys not being advertised, the few that were just weren't very good unless they were expensive or ultra garbage, so kids I think learned that it was better to ask for a videogame because you'd get more value and fun out of it than an equivalent value in toys.

>>149236147
every sperate piece has to be assembled. that labor cost is no joke. what was a gi joe?
head, torso pelvis, 2arm, 2forarm 2hands 2thighs, 2 shins, 2 feet. 15 pieces? each has to get riveted together. times 1 million units a year? that adds up fast.

>>149236679
Once you actually have the molds it's dirt fucking cheap actually, especially since so many of them can share parts.

>>149236849
I know my shit on this subject. It's not the casting that costs money. It's the extra operations of putting all the pieces together. That's why they made the big detailed batman motorcycle that's just 1 piece.(or probably a clam shell screwed together.
I've watched these thing in person. It closes, opens, poops out a part, closes again. The machine has to stop because there's a big pile of parts that require human intervention to process. One of these molds could make 100 gi joes in one shot. One shot could be less than a minute. Now imagine, even with special tools, putting together one of the old school gi joes with the rubber band waist and all those little rivets. You'd need an army of chinese children to keep up with 1 machine.

>>149236652
Damn this show looks fun too watch. Wish people still made this kinds of stuff.

>>149237249
It's the kind of things that people scoff at, because those people are girls/gay dudes who got put into the industry by their rich liberal parents and they actively hate the regular little boys this kind of media reminds of them

>>149210233 (OP)
Loved that game as a kid, but it's objectively terrible. At least I used to play with the sound off, listening to music.

Rob Paulsen was really everywhere in the 90s, wasn't her?

The cheesy background guitar riffs are still stuck in my head several months after binging the series.

>>149231723
>>149231723
They aren't Unfortunately. Even if you'd try to upscaling it the quality will pretty much ruin the details in which it makes it even worse. On the other hand however, we never heard or seen the company who made this show release the series in clear quality to the public. Hell, not even some model sheets, cel animation and storybords have been released. There's some few cel animation on their webside but I wish we got more.

>>149239163
Yeah, what a tease.

>>149227745
>the liberals lobbied
>this is all on The Liberals
>None of this had anything to do with reactionary Reaganite mothers
What an exhausting way to go through life.

>>149240504
liberals make cartoons now and they're the opposite of mighty max, so theyre still to blame for the modern state of faggy cartoons

>>149240530
Here, have a Conservative Cartoon.
Also, the head writer of Mighty Max is very much not on your side. Dude went on to work on stuff like Lazytown and Molly of Denali.

>>149240592
well i don't know what can be said about that, maybe the people to thank for mighty max being good were the toy creators who said "make a show about a normal hetero coded hot blooded american boy who goes on adventures with a chicken and a barbarian to fight all kinds of horror and dark fantasy tropes"

>>149239163
Haha, and btw I think this may be one of the ingredients in the secret recipe for making awesome shit. I bet the people working on this show hated it. I bet the animators were embarrassed to be working on a toy-commercial show. And that disdain lead them to make rapid knee-jerk creative decisions which are the correct creative decision.
>ah geez mattel gave us drawings of some generic wolf guy. Ok let's just start animating him doing backflips and tearing shit up and we'll bang out the story later
YES

>>149210233 (OP)
Sounds kino

I still remember the episode where they have to recruit a bunch of mythological heroes for one special mission, and each one dies one after another so the rest can continue the mission, and it ends with the kid making a grave for them.

NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>149210233 (OP)
Why was he Steven Universe?

>>149242979
Capbearercapbearercapbearercapbearerca

>>149245108
>destiny boy with the special boon, but he lacks experience and maturity. Nevertheless he must face dangers and overcome evil with the help of his caretakers.

>>149243085
Well cartoons and comics are visual/creative mediums and the audience they've built very much was the same one as action figures

People want adult drama, film exists to do that better, this shit attracts people who want to see cool escapism stuff that live action can't do/wouldn't usually do, people who appreciate stylized art, creative concepts regardless of realism etc. This is why it's always such a big discussion between live action film adaptions of such shit
>why didnt they just make it like the cartoon/comic/toy
Cause these mediums just come from a different mindset than the one film is generally based on

>>149223589
I miss the 80s-90s obsession with gore and monsters, I can leave the gross out humor but this I do miss. These days anything "dark" has to be ironic or through the view of a 45 year old Invader Zim fan woman

>>149246992
the bumps, the wrinkles, the blood on the bat's mouth, the dents and crevaces on the skull, it's one sad eye.
you're in the store with your mom and your eyes bug out of your head as you depsertely try to catch your breath to exclaims how much you want it. and your mom's like
>uuuuugh that thing's ugly. Why do you want that?
That's the personality type in charge of the whole entertainment media industry now.

>>149247243
I will say my mom despite being mostly a square, was pretty supportive of my love of nasty and evil shit even if it was feigned she always let out a "coooooool!" when I'd show her my crap

>>149245213
Uggggg

i played with this

Man I miss syndicated TV...

>>149249937
Yeah me too

Shut up

>>149249281
It's bitchin'. I had that and the small vampire bat, and the snake/mummy set

>>149250998
First was the skull and it got the most play out of all of them. The vampire bat and that black and teal mask. I also got the lavamonster guy where the thing came together as one big monster, but broke down into the playset. I just looked it up Blast Magus Fuckin awesome, the claw became a motorcycle for norman.

>>149251737
I didn't know that existed, pretty boss. Also makes me think of War Planets which had a cartoon called Shadow Raiders

>>149241614
That's really not how it happened. It was a UK toyline with sweet-fucking-all for a plot ("Max found his dad's magical hat! It threw him into The Shadow Chaos Skull Zone, Or Something!")
Mark Zaslove, Head Writer, has a damn good resume, having worked on everything from Disney Afternoon shows to Bump In The Night (older UK /co/mrades will know that one) to Calamity Jane. He most definitely is more responsible for the show being good than the paper thin stories of the original toyline.

>>149251896
Yeah I had the beast planet too. The bit one with the claw. Very awesome. WTF is wrong with yo manufacturers today? Is it all manufacturing costs or the culture shift?

>>149251944
More the latter. You go to a boy toy aisle now, you're seeing a lot of the same shit just VERY limited, no variety

Transformers
Marvel
DC
WWE
Jurassic Park
Hot Wheels
Lego

This pretty much dominates, but the quality of toys is much worse too. I was messing with a Jurassic Park toy today at CVS, the mold was fine, basically just slightly better articulated than the 90s ones, but the plastic was what we used to expect from Dollar Store toys and the paint was non existent

>>149252021
>Why is toy quality going down
The Line Must Go Up.
If The Line Cannot Go Up Infinitely From Sales, Just Cut Staff And Quality.
Feed The Line.

>>149252117
As much as I like to blame corporate entities inflation is a big factor. Plastic and paint are way more expensive today like everything else is, you just can't produce a 90s era toy quality wise today and sell it for a reasonable price for parents

>>149239163
>>149239329
Cels look so good. Would kill for a remaster, but would be nice to get something beyond the ancient VHS releases. Is there any reason why it was never released on modern-day format?

>>149251737
Godamn now THATS an action figure.

>>149255154
Bless those animators for knowing what they were doing.

>>149210233 (OP)
Steven is cool

>>149255594
My ass he is.

Where could I watch this show?

>>149259199
idk
i tried speed cd and soaptoday. nada. someone will have to bravely spend hundreds of dollars an the vhs and rip them

>>149259199
Youtube

>>149259672
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92qHGsvZ2o0&list=PL2cVhsjruxdNAqgHUYGaRfJf_TilOp0s5&pp=0gcJCV8EOCosWNin

>>149252372
https://www.studiocanal.com/title/mighty-max-1994/
http://mid.mediatoon.com/en/catalog/159/mighty-max/
these two seem to own the cartoon rights.
Some anons have said they've tried to contact mediatoon but no one has ever gotten a response.

>>149227879
I know at least two people who like it and given how many people I know that's a pretty significant number

>>149261752
Describe these people plox

>>149210233 (OP)
as a kid i had thoughts of having a sleepover with mighty max and having him put his penis in my mouth and it was probably my earliest gay intrusive thoughts

>>149210233 (OP)
What so Mighty about this Max?

>>149263675
Clockwise. Brock, Hank, Rusty, Dean.

>>149264247
The alliteration.

I love that this show gets some love, it was probably the best of a certain genre like Pirates of Dark Water and Skeleton Warriors, that early90s breed that didn't yet forget 80s awesomeness

>>149264247
He. Has a voiy

>>149210233 (OP)
Wrong on all counts
Mighty Max was cool until you realized they didn't know how to end it so they just.........didn't. That retroactively ruined the whole show.

Also I'm pretty sure if you gave Polly Pocket the cap she would solo skullmaster and like run him over with a car

>>149265672
Endings don't matter

Mighty Max was a pretty great show. The ending was really great. The bad guy wins but Max travels back to the first episode and resolves to do it over again with all the knowledge he's gained and win this time.

This show had some of the most sick-looking dragon designs that I ever saw as a kid. I even still has the red dragon toy which is my most favorite dragon from the series.

>>149266707
NG+

>>149263675
>>149255154

Nice MILF

>>149265672
You're the only person who thinks SU isn't gay

>>149267726
This series had great list of girls, milf's and hags that I think needs more attention. Even the bad women here were neat, of course to me it was Max's mom, Bea and Professor MacDougal that I enjoyed the most.

>>149268384
ugh god the maggot vampire. That episode made me very close to puking

>>149268384
Indeed. Some of the girls have loras for genning but sadly, most of what's there is the pony kind rather than the superior illustrious.

>>149267795
Yea. Aint that the same show that showed a gay wedding in a kids show? What is that guy smoking?

>>149268458
sugar has sense proudly declard the point of the show was to encourage kids to be gay.

>>149269147
ugly people especially ugly women shouldnt be allowed to make media, its dangerous

>>149271237
Good thing he wasn't sent head first into the grave stone, mere inches away.

>>149262362
One is a polyamerous presumably liberal girl and the other is a tranny hating conservitard, he probably just doesn't know he's supposed to hate the show desu

>>149228895
>Storm shadow
... storm shadow is Japanese. He is also pretty racist.

>>149245388
>overcome evil
He didn't really do that much in the show.

>>149257555
>Crazed Scottish scientists in your area!

>>149236147
>>149213491
>>149210272
I still dont see a fucking issue youre all just acting like the intention to sell toys is evil in of itself or makes a thing unworthy material. To make something "toyetic" it literally just means make it cool and desirable, which, you know you should be doing ANYWAY. And making toys for characters literally just means THEY HAVE TO LOOK COOL AND BE INTERESTING, so if you arent doing that anyway what the fuck are you trying to accomplish?

>>149272964
You can't appeal to heterosexual young boys unless they're black don't you get it? Wokes are nutjobs legit. And yes, bold but true statement, all SU fans are woke sjw stereotypes

You're not finding a single one who isn't a BLM anti Karen, a blue/green haired dyke, a tranny, a cliche gay, or a fat bearded dragon undercut beta orbiter

>>149272863
From the philosophical perspective of su, steven winning over killers to his side through rhetoric was "overcoming evil"
Then of course, Max actually killing evil is on the nose overcoming evil

>>149273272
>You can't appeal to heterosexual young boys unless they're black
lol not even. All the positive black males in animation especially but all our media still have to be faggity soibois with side cuts and thick framed glasses. Only the bad guy can be white and masculine.

But here I am. I am anti-tranny, anti-blm, anti-immigration, I think your average maga republican is a cuck who wants to sell his country slightly slower than radical leftists. I wish trump were even 10% as racist as they say he is. He's far too congenial with the left, and all of them have a sickening phelia for jews.
So anyways, I do like steven universe. The philosophy is wrong. But we need lots of interpretations of the hero's journey. He was the one whose sword was words and he slayed his enemies by making them allys. It was a story worth telling. The message of the show doesn't stand up in real life, but on that point whenever the message cut against the story the story won. Especially in future they bought back a lot of their points. Didn't hang a lantern on it, but they did.

>>149274054
>huh what's this?
>oh s-mart lol
>haha hAAAAAH WHAT THE FUCK HOLY SHIT
tHAT MIGHTY MAX DIDNT FOOL AORUND

>>149272899
Max probably didn't read the warning sign.
>>149273962
>Then of course, Max actually killing evil is on the nose overcoming evil
You know what's even more fucked up? The fact that Max was actually killing Professor MacDougal who was a reguler human like him. Yes, it was in self-defence and she did died in the explosion as the monster she was been turned into, but as you got older, you realize it was the first time that Max, a 10 fucking years old has murdered a human being for the first time in his life. That's pretty fucked up if you ask me, part of the reason why I liked this episode the most.

>>149252372
I think it's one of those things where too many different companies own various rights to the show. Everyone would want a slice of the profits and so no one gets anything.

>>149274297
The owl kept saying how serious and not a fucking game everything was.

>>149274297
Look at this dude.

>>149274428
It's indeed was the most brutal werewolf fight scene that was aired in a kids show. It also may be the only werewolf episode where the werewolf monster has actually murder 5 victims.

>>149274002
>He was the one whose sword was words and he slayed his enemies by making them allys. It was a story worth telling.
My ass it was. That shit's lame and gay, my guy.