Thread 149215727

The stupidest page ever made in comic book history

>>149215727 (OP)
how does that even happen? he dodges bullets all day and has a low level precog ability that warns him of danger

>>149215732
Peter gets shot on purpose, the stupid part is saving Norman fucking Osborn from what he deserves

>>149215727 (OP)
This one's pretty bad.

>>149215727 (OP)
This doesn't even look like he was aiming at Osborn in the first place

>>149215727 (OP)
Since when has Spiderman been aping Batman

>>149215727 (OP)
>this
>that one with Batman, Joker and Red Hood
Similar pages?

>>149215737
>>149215841
Since always.

>>149215727 (OP)
I’ve never agreed with him getting shot, I know some people praise ultimate spider man’s death but I feel like there could’ve been like 3 other scenarios he could pull that don’t include jumping in front of the bullet especially since Cap isn’t a normal person he could tug him out the way any way he needs to

>>149215727 (OP)
>takes a bullet for Norman, a guy who isn't hurt by bullets and is more or less immortal (and that's not even going into this being fucking Norman who he is trying to protect)
>>149215814
>Norman teleports off-panel
I wonder about Spidey writers sometimes. Why are they like this?

>>149215898
He is hurt by bullets and has needed to be saved from them before. He almost died after being stabbed by a glider and had to heal for years on the brink of death.

>>149215906
"hurt" was the wrong word to use, true, but in any case - he can be dead and buried, only to get a full reboot and pop up back from the grave. His healing isn't as advanced as some others - he's still scarred, but that depends on the artist - , but it's still virtual immortality (though I believe he can die eventually).

>>149215898
Not even peter is bulletproof, powerlevelscuck, and 99% of green goblin fights is just peter onesidedly beating norman up

>>149215919
It’s not virtual immortality, it’s very mildly accelerated healing. He’s needed to be saved countless times and oftens begs and pleads and cries at peter’s feet not to kill him by just punching him too much
What you’re describing is plot armor. He has no more immortality than Red Skull does

>>149215841
Spider-Man was always copying Batman as a soap opera version and white simp everyman version of Bruce

>>149215884
This isn't Ultimate Spider-Man.

>>149215727 (OP)
Remember when Cletus was separated from his symbiote and a guy was going to shoot him dead and Spider-Man yelled at him only to find out that the reason the guy wanted to kill him was because Carnage killed his family?

>>149215727 (OP)
thats not bobby being mindfucked to be gay anon

>>149215727 (OP)
Wrong, this is.

It's either this or farting Taylor Swift.

>>149216024
It all makes sense now..

>>149216024
lol

>>149216009
love how writers conveniently forget how the penance stare/fist/whatever works to show how badass someone is

>>149216024
Isn't there like another spider guy right there?

>>149215859
love sal buscema best spider-man artist

>>149216023
>farting Taylor Swift.
QRD?

>>149216009
How long has the Penance Stare been jobbing? I thought the context of the Punisher panel is that he had divine protection and they just kind of forgot that's the reason why it didn't work, kind of like how Wolverine's healing factor was wanked to hell because they forgot about the M'kraan Crystal's one-off effect on it and they just ran with it being standard since then.

>>149215936
>and white simp everyman version of Bruce
wait are you trying to say Batman isn't white?

Spider Stin-BERZERKER BARAGE!

>>149215814
but miguel doesn't have spider-sense
why was he playing with his balls instead of doing something
fucking beaners

>>149216539
Not to mention Norman lost his powers and there's nobody else around. Even if Peter was stunned for a bit, he should at least try looking for Norman. But he doesn't even bother or seem to care. Even for Slott he really phoned it in.

>>149216515
I believe the protection was a later retcon to have that make sense.

>>149216515
It has always been a jobber power. Seems it fails against popular characters. It's biggest win being against Galactus in the F4 cartoon.

>>149216535
When the fuck did this happen?
>>149216586
Better that they have something try to explain that bullshit in a way that makes sense rather than just shrug and move on. Frank is just a guy, unless you are divine or magic in nature, it should always affect you.
>>149216632
But it looks like Venom's actually being affected here, he's even screaming in pain.

>>149216685
Last week. Mark Guggenheim’s Spider-Man/Wolverine crossover.

>>149215727 (OP)
This comic book hates its readers
In almost any other case I'd call that hyperbole but it's true here

>>149215727 (OP)
Not the rape pages?
Not any of the 1990-on pages of Batman saving Joker?
Not the virtue-signalling "some Amazons were men with souls of women"?
Not Natasha forgetting she was born in 1910 during Secret Empire?
Not Joker secretly being trained by Batman's retconned mentor to being Batman 2?
Man the 10s, and 20s may be the worst decades for capeshit.

>>149215727 (OP)
Would shooting Norman even kill him?
Healing factor and all.
Not to mention that his suit is literally called "Goblin ARMOR".

>>149216721
>Not Joker secretly being trained by Batman's retconned mentor to being Batman 2?
0_0

>>149215847
That one is way worse, but this one is still pretty bad. Back then Peter wouldn't always save villains if they were the ones causing their deaths or if it was too dangerous to save them. Jumping in front of a bullet is retarded. And as always supervillains returned, but writers could have used that if they wanted to get rid of any villain

>>149216535
I can't believe that people read this shit. Even worse, the posts here defending the Marvel and DC from the last years. Fucking hell

>>149216812
Forgot to post this

>>149215727 (OP)
What's wrong with it?

>>149216721
We could post everything Aaron did for Marvel but that would be unsportsmanlike.
Heavyweight boxer vs. kindergartener-tier is less of an easy mode than that.

>>149216812
Batman also used to not throw his life, or the lives of others, away for the sake of villains. He never killed them directly, but if a guy blew himself up or fell off a cliff trying to kill him or someone else, that was that. I don't know where the act of so-called heroes taking a bullet or a superpowered punch for a villain started, but it was retarded back then, and it's retarded now.

>>149215859
if this was a modern comic this page would consist of duplicate panels

>>149215727 (OP)
>a secondary character sacrifices himself to protect the protagonist of Marvel Comics
What's the problem here, OP?

>>149216931
It's idiotic. Yes, you got people like the Punisher directly killing villains. But moralfags were the kind of hero you're talking about. Now they look like traumatized adults, disgustingly obsessed with saving everyone like if it was a mental illness

>>149215727 (OP)
I believe you'll find Batman recently jumped from the moon to Earth wearing nothing but his batsuit and lived, in fact, walked away. Because time and distance and speed are meaningless to him, because he's prepared.

negligent homicide is unheroic

>>149215814
Has anyone asked Slott about this on social media? This is just embarrassingly lazy writing even for 2010s Marvel Comics. I’d do it but I don’t have any social media

>>149217052
It's one thing to not want to willingly kill, it's another to actively put the life of the villain above others, it just makes the character look idiotic and complicit.
>>149217055
>survives a whole trip from the moon and with no serious injuries
>gets beaten unconscious by some large thug
>people think the former should be the standard but complain when the latter happens
It's what happens when they're constantly raising the stakes, they make the latter seem implausible despite the fact that it matches with most stories.

>>149216509
Desuarchive is your friend
>>147305470
>>147305494

>>149215732
He gets shot all the time, he got shot with a gun last week in Gwenpool. They actually explained how his Spider-Sense works in very dangerous situations, his sense begins to overwhelm him leaving him unable to focus and open to attacks

>>149216535
yeah, thats still not as stupid as most of the panels here. its dumb in context because you would think pete would know better, but there are some doozies out there

>>149215933
Good page.

>>149218862
I just read the issue that anon pointed out earlier, I still think the outcome was stupid. It's in-character for Peter to get careless and sloppy when he's angry or his mind is running wild from anxiety which leaves him open to getting tagged, and he's been hit plenty of times by slower opponents like Kraven, Tombstone, and Captain America, my real issue is that Spider-Man was beating the absolute piss out of Wolverine for like 99% of the fight, even punched his fucking jaw off, and had Wolverine webbed up and helpless towards the end, yet Wolverine managed to cut himself out despite his arms being bound in a way that he'd have no leverage. If he stuck his claws out while he was bound, it would simply go through the web that's covering them, it wouldn't tear the whole damn web cocoon apart to give him an opportunity to stab Spider-Man.

>>149219126

i take that as this being angry but unhinged pete rather than the angry but focused pete. sloppy unbridled anger makes you do stupid sloppy things. its like the difference between back in black pete and the other time he fought wolverine and killed a woman in the process. i guess knowing logan can take his agression makes him not focus as much

>>149215737
A bullet that's two miles north Osborn's head?

>>149215727 (OP)
I think Batman killing Jason to save the Joker might be worse.

Bleeding hearts are retards.

>>149216515
Arguably maybe with Venom, in the Spirits of Venom crossover in the 90s.
But I don't think it got really bad until the 00s or 10s, I can't remember

>>149216812
>I can't believe that people read this shit.

If sales are the way they are, they might not be.

>>149215727 (OP)
>>149215814
Were these both Slott?

>>149216535
That's Guggenheim, who also wrote that terrible "prequel" to Days of Future Past

>>149219233
That's basically it, a pissed off but focused Peter could dismantle Wolverine in seconds, but Peter lashing out fights sloppily and leaves himself open to getting hit and not using his Spider-Sense with clarity and focus. Wolverine was getting absolutely destroyed throughout the fight, but he only needs one lucky hit while Peter is losing his shit.

Still dumb that Wolverine managed to tear out of the web at the end because even if adamantium can cut through it, he's not ripping himself out of it even if his claws can cut through where they're covered, he shouldn't be anywhere strong enough considering the last time Peter left him webbed up, he was stuck like that for hours.

>>149216685
>But it looks like Venom's actually being affected here, he's even screaming in pain.
A lot of times people tank the Penance Stare when that shouldn't be the case. And Venom gets right back up.

>>149221709
Okay, that contextualizes it better, Venom should have been fucked up by that a lot more than Ghost Rider, but Venom's more popular so he came out better for it.

>>149221709
Nice art.

>>149216507
Goddamn TRUTH
Sal is *my* Spidey artist. I liked Spectacular more than Amazing back in the day

>>149222611
looks like one of the kuberts

>>149220417
>Batman killing Jason to save the Joker might be worse.
Are you retarded?

>>149216949
>if this was a modern comic this page would consist of duplicate panels
Painfully true.

>>149220417
>>149223246
This one.

>>149223437
Have you actually read that comic or are you seriously thinking Batman killed his adopted son over the Joker?

We can get stupider.

>>149215859
>since always
Literally the first thing Peter did after Norman killed Ben was hand Norman a bad full of live grenades like a fucking Looney Tunes character absolutely done with his bullshit.

>>149215727 (OP)
We can go even further beyond!

>>149223702
Weren't they being mind controlled by someone without super speed there? That's an almost makes sense in context situation.

>>149223683
Please read that full issue. Norman was throwing and tanking those same pumpkin bombs like nobody’s business that entire issue without any harm. All he did was hand him back the same bag of pumpkin bombs that didn’t harm him the whole issue, which made his glider slowly fall to the ground while he, 100% uninjured, cackles and says he’ll be back next time. It wasn’t a murder or an attempt to kill, if he wanted that he’d have beaten norman to death like he so often has threatened to do or webbed up his throat.

I’m seriously fed up of this pathetic lying narrative to save face, peter has always had the most whiney self-righteous no kill rule in all of marvel, equal to Batman and Superman in dc, he always has. He was never a based edgy killer like punisher or wolverine.

>>149223532
I did. Unlike in the film, Jason just bleeds to death on the floor, then Joker detonates the building, and all three of them die in the rubble. Then the superboy prime wave resurrects them all and Batman crawls out the wreckage to find both jason and joker missing.

>>149223437
>batman survives the explosion
>winick confirms that jason's body wouldn't have been found if superboy's retcon punch didn't happen
>despite being at the center of the explosion, joker would've also survived
lol

Oh boy, we got to that part of the thread where peter self-inserters lie and say he doesn’t have a no kill rule. despite that obviously, FAMOUSLY, being a lie

>>149223799
For those that want to read about Winick on this.
http://www.sequentialtart.com/article.php?id=1711
>Just as the original Under the Hood comic begins with the Infinite Crisis touching Batman's world, so it ends that way — the universe literally fractures around Batman, the Joker and Jason as they stand together in that room with the gun and the bomb at the same moment that the bomb would have exploded; thereby avoiding any actual conclusion to the story. So I gotta know: if not for the Crisis, how would it have ended?
>"The building comes down. And Jason is gone," Winick answers. "If Jason were to come back after that ... not under my watch. You don't really get to have an ending; it's about how structures move forward. Bruce made his choice, he gravely hurt Jason rather than allowing Jason to murder the Joker, this psychopath. And for Jason, that's nothing he didn't know would happen. It just underlined his greatest fear. He's a quivering mass of jelly, with a gun to the Joker's head, pleading with Bruce for Bruce to let Jason kill the Joker. But Bruce can't do it. It's just wrong. And that's the end-point to the story I was telling about them."

>>149215727 (OP)
Another day, another uninspired Big Two attempt to bring their comics into temporary relevance through cheap shock/outrage value, even though this has worked less and less the more they do it. Maybe someday things will change.

>>149223801
That is literally the issue he got his fucking no kill rule. HE SAYS IT'S A NEW RULE IN THAT FUCKING PAGE. That's Massacre getting hauled off in ASM 656 No One Dies 2 of 2. Thank Slott for that bullshit. He didn't have a no kill rule for decades before then.

>>149215727 (OP)
I bet you if people ever found out that Peter Parker was spiderman and they sent him to jail that there would be a huge competition to see who could rape him first in prison because he jumps around like a crackhead and so hard to rape. Like could you imagine 50 guys in the showers all trying to rape spiderman, but they can't cause hes so slippery and wiry and ajile. Like you just know he woudl drop the soap on purpose and have all those horny rapists frothing at the mouth to be the first person to rape spiderman.

>>149223873
>He didn't have a no kill rule for decades before then.
Maybe not in name, but he absolutely did in practice. If anything this is just Slott putting it on paper.

>>149223873
By the way, Slott also had Otto as Peter execute Massacre to contrast this exact fucking scene 2 years later.

And then for added stupidity, when Ben revived Massacre, he regave him brain damage to make him homicidal again.

>>149223873
He had a no kill rule since he was fucking created you non-reading self-inserter piggy.
They had to kill Norman off in the original run by him stabbing himself by accident like a retard, because peter had another cryingfest going “waaaah i can’t believe i was tempted to kill him with one more punch but spiderman NEVER HECKIN KILLS!!!”.
Same way he’s never killed any of his fucking villains and always does the exact same thing, crying how he’s a heckin reddit hero who never takes a life so his self inserters can feel self righteous

>>149223910
I think you should leave.

>>149223911
>but he absolutely did in practice
Peter led a missile straight to the Finisher.

>>149223934
I feel the same way about you.

>>149223930
>He had a no kill rule since he was fucking created you non-reading self-inserter piggy.
Casuals. Casuals everywhere.

>>149223873
He got his no kill rule in spiderman 1 (AF15) you faggot

>>149223934
But anon didn't say melon.

>>149223974
No.

>>149223952
Is this from an annual? Annuals are fucking weird and no one remembers them past the first ones because they're not really part of a series and they contain weird hard-to-reconcile-with-continuity shit like this. Point is, there have been many points throughout Spider-Man's history where he has explicitly refused to kill his enemies. Peter is not your edgelord fantasy.

>>149216949
I hate that you're right.

>>149215727 (OP)
This is 100% in character.
Anyone who does not project a powerfantasy onto the character knows this.

>>149223736
No, it's clear cut that he didn't take any pumpkin bombs before Peter's. You can question the in-characterness of the story all you want, but in Night of the Goblin Peter objectively tried to kill Norman and the whole point was showing that he'd come back. Personally, given the context I find it completely justifiable and understandable. A rare mature moment even.

>>149223972
Writers get weird ideas about what counts as 'no-kill' for the no kill rules. Like this, it's "Spidey didn't kill them, they killed themselves."

But no kill rules have always been a very very stupid idea from comics code bs and marketing so popular villains can keep making appearances.

>>149223983
Literally yes.
Wouldn’t even kill Uncle Ben’s murderer when gifted spiderpowers.

He’s always been a no kill pussy since he was created, you self-inserting faggot.

>>149223972
>everyone survives the explosion
>peter pulls the guy that didn't escape from the car
>guy is dying and blames it on the missile
>tells peter what he knows before dying
Well that's an interesting way to skirt around that. Can't have Peter being a hypocrite when he tells Punisher to not kill anyone.

>>149224017
Yes, this is theoretically in-character. But why does this need to be in a story? Daredevil has a no-kill rule and you don't see him taking bullets for Bullseye because his writers, thankfully, are smart enough to realize how terrible that would look.

>>149224035
He throws dozens at peter and not one of them scratches him. At the beginning of the issue he throws a bunch at regular people and they aren’t even hurt by them.
The bag of pumpkin bombs didn’t manage to do anything but damage his glider. You can argue it was reckless but if peter actually were trying to kill him and not just get him away. he would beat him to death, like how norman grovels and begs peter not to do in almost every single fight they have.

>>149223983
>peter self inserters didn’t even read their first issue

>>149215933
Now THIS is a hero I can endorse!

>>149224017
It's a testament to the great art that even though there's not a drop of blood you can practically taste Peter's rage and his subsequent beatdown of the Goblin (both of them) feel both satisfying and disquietingly visceral.

>>149223910
what? like, wheres he going to go? Hes gunna get raped eventually. They just got to wear him down.

"You can't stay up on the ceiling forever, faggot."

Nobody gonna post Immortal Hulk? No? Alright, allow me.

>>149223972
This guy was revealed to have survived a few years ago.

>>149224343
Because it's always posted without context. It's bait. She thinks Hulk is a power fantasy but by the time the run is over she hates her gamma powers and wants nothing to do with it or the Hulks. Also they're in Hell and she doesn't even realize at that time how horrible it is to be Hulk.

>>149224081
>He throws dozens at peter and not one of them scratches him. At the beginning of the issue he throws a bunch at regular people and they aren’t even hurt by them.
Peter didn't actually get hit, Ben took one to the stomach protecting Flash and it fucked him up. No civ is shown getting bombed.

>The bag of pumpkin bombs didn’t manage to do anything but damage his glider.
Those bombs were retrieved by Ben, meant to level the Bugle and everyone in it. Peter and Ben then plan to level Osborn's hideout across the street instead. The cleanup crew even comment Norman smells like barbecue.

>You can argue it was reckless but if peter actually were trying to kill him and not just get him away. he would beat him to death, like how norman grovels and begs peter not to do in almost every single fight they have.
Peter at that point had been twice drugged, the first time neutering his spider-sense, heard MJ had complications in childbirth, learned all his recent suffering and dread was a prank, watched Norman imply he killed his daughter and witnessed Ben get stabbed.

>>149216102
It literally has nothing to do about guilt, its literally all the pain and misery they have inflicted into someone, no "i regret nothing bullshit"

>>149224593
That doesn't provide context either. Where are they in that page? It looks like ruins and she's casually bringing up a liberal arts talking point. Why is Hulk all fucked up? Why didn't Hulk tell her he was shot and cannot die?

>>149224734
It's really funny because she's being offered a monkey's paw by Devil Hulk of all people.

It's a shame more people don't actually read this series.

>>149224869
Because the payoff is worth seeing.

>>149224734
Maybe you should try reading the actual comic.

>>149223801
I don't get why JJJ is made at Spider-man. He's the mayor he can push for capital punishment on this case.

If he breaks out and kills people it's not Spiderman's fault. It's the prison's fault.

>>149224785
He still kisses her ass for being an angry retard

>>149225309
Devil Hulk wants to destroy the world because it's a threat to Banner. He's not the best person to get a compliment from.

>>149216539
It's even worse than that. Miguel has Accelerated Vision, which means he sees everything in perfect clarity, telescopic and has enhanced perception speed so he can see shit in slow-mo from far distances. No one should be able to realistically escape him because he would be able to perfectly track their movements while chasing them.

On top of that Miguel also appears to have higher physical stats than Peter. IIRC he was able to easily overpower Venom during the same era that Venom was considered too strong for Peter to overpower. And Miguel also has higher speed to compensate for his lack of Spider-Sense (this is even reflected in that Marvel power grid shit, he has a higher speed rating)

So Miguel should be faster than Peter with super vision that sees shit in slow-mo. There is no realistic way for someone to escape him on foot. Hell, he should have been able to see what Liz was doing and stop her way beforehand but we can at least assume he was just looking away at the time. Maybe if Miguel had ran out of web fluid it'd make more sense but Miguel has organic webbing so he could have easily webbed him up. And even if he couldn't use webbing for some arbitrary reason he easily has the speed to catch him on foot.

Point being Miguel doesn't really have an excuse here. Slott clearly doesn't know what the fuck he's doing.

>>149224001
I didn't say he's an edgelord. He basically only kills people/tries to kill people when he doesn't give a fuck or they piss him off.

>>149224048
That's not a no kill rule, you dumb bitch. Not having a no kill rule doesn't mean the hero has to murder every villain and criminal they deal with.

Fucking Superman doesn't have a no kill rule.

>>149224100
I have actually, and you're a dumb cunt.

>>149224556
Not relevant to what Peter thought at the time, which is that he just killed a dude with zero fucks given.

If everyone the Punisher ever killed was somehow revealed to have survived through some sort of magic specifically designed to fuck him in particular, it wouldn't suddenly mean the Punisher has a no kill rule.

>no batman almost killing jason to save the joker
the real answer is peter being a faggot cuck bitch and letting mephisto take his wife and daughter for his old aunt. she wouldnt even let him do it. spiderman, the greatest marvel hero ever, is still in a shit place because of it

>>149223929
BRAIN DAMAGE IS THE RIGHT OF ALL SEMANAMEN BEEAMS

>>149216009
>They withstood the Penance Stare, the Lasso of Truth, Blackbolt's scream and Darkseid's Omega Beam!

>>149216515
It was always a fucking crapshoot. Mr. Hyde of all people has tanked it in 90s. Mr. fucking Hyde.

>>149225602
>it wouldn't suddenly mean the Punisher has a no kill rule.
It would, but that would be a rule that the universe enforces upon him, not that he decides to live by as a personal code of conduct.

>>149215939
Oh yeah I know, was just saying, I actually have no clue what pic OP comes from

>>149226177
>It would, but that would be a rule that the universe enforces upon him
That's not what that fucking means.

>>149224888
erm, Hulk Hogan is the Immortal One, dudejack!

You know what guys? One thing is a no kill rule, but thinking that your villains are babies and that you should sacrifice yourself every time in order to save them is something completely different. And that is retarded. Peter had the former thing since the first run. And it makes sense. He was directly responsible for the death of his uncle and his adventures are surprisingly full of deaths. Like Betty Brants's brother, literally on issue #11. It would be obscene and bleak to show him killing even more people. Specially considering his age. Why would someone be ashamed of Peter's old no kill rule? And to any person who brings up comics any comic released after the early 1990s, lol

>>149226546
That's what it literally means. What are you on about?

>>149216721
Batman saving Joker is standard business and in character for him with how often he's done it, Peter saving Norman is more retarded

>>149223728
Ivy was able to make Barry block a punch from across the country, so that excuse doesn't really work

>>149223702
Batwank is one of the most consistent things in comic books to be fair

>>149216685
>Frank is just a guy
He briefly worked for God. Also the people he harms aren't by any means innocent.

>>149215727 (OP)
Ditko Peter would've literally watched it happen. Heck, he probably would've done the Goblin in himself.

>>149219126
healing factor, baby

>>149225564
>He basically only kills people/tries to kill people when he doesn't give a fuck or they piss him off.
So you think he's an edgelord.

>>149216535
I don't see how people can like Spidey, hes such a jobber and a fucking pussy who always looses. Get into Batman kids.

>>149215814
Jesus Fucking Christ

>>149216966
>the protagonist of Marvel Comics
>Not Captain America

Sit down son

>>149216535
Isn't Spidey 10 times faster than Logan by every metric? Why does Marvel hate Spidey being supremely competent and unstoppable in a fight?

>>149228094
Healing factor wont help against a stronger character thrashing you to unconsciousness.

>>149228182
>stronger
wolverine stronger with adamantine, bub.

>>149228160
That guy is a schizo but Steve is more like a mascot.

>>149228177
He's 10 times everything than Wolverine, Wolverine's only advantage is a healing factor and unbreakable bones.

>>149215727 (OP)
>>149215814
>>149216009
When did Marvel become like this?

>>149229356
9/11

>>149228094
>>149228206
Healing factor only helps in surviving the ass beating he sustains from fights, it doesn't make him invincible. I'm not sure where this dumbass notion that he's invincible or unbeatable when one of the plotlines in Krakoa is that he got killed so often that they had enough of his skeletons to use as a foundation for a small army of assassins. He survives like most other characters do, plot armor, and especially when he's been beaten by plenty of other much weaker characters than Spider-Man. It's the reason why Hulk and other super strong characters just don't wishbone him and throw his upper half into a pit or space to get around his bones being unbreakable.

>>149216535
Why do people act like Peter’s some untouchable god? Is it really so unbelievable Wolverine can get a decent hit in on him? Lmao

>>149229356
I'm not certain, but I started to notice an unabashed decline in justifying plots around 2011 or so. I recall discussions here about how Bendis was notorious for disregarding a lot.

>>149229507
people are wondering how he even got out when he was basically cocooned then simply flexed and stabbed him.

>>149216023
IHFL was never good anyway.

>>149229563
women pay for that now and he was getting it for free

>>149229507
The issue isn't Spider-Man getting tagged, he's been tagged by many slower characters before especially when he's being raw and unfocused, it's that Wolverine bullshitted the stab by somehow tearing out of the cocoon that Peter put him in, despite the fact that he's nowhere near strong enough to simply tear himself out of Peter's webbing.

>>149215727 (OP)
Is this marvels equivalent to jason todd getting batarang to his neck?

>>149217202
he'll just call you a chud incel or something

>>149224892
I tried. It's not good.

>>149231348
So you read it but don't know what's going on or where they are?

>>149231397
I didn't get far.

>>149228145
I don't think that makes him an edgelord. Most people would try to kill someone that hurt/killed their loved ones and most people wouldn't try to save an assassin.

Kinda weird for you to suggest most people are edgelords. Spider-Man's just normal. Or at least he used to be and still is occasionally.

Like when he kicked Norman out to be killed by Kindred for getting creepy with Spider-Gwen. Norman had that shit coming. Sadly, Kindred didn't do it.

>>149227574
A no kill rule is a code of conduct. If the character isn't fucking changing their conduct, they don't have a fucking no kill rule.

>>149232902
You try to frame "he tries to kill those that piss him off" as some cool badass guy behavior when Peter doesn't really do that. He gets angry sometimes but he's almost never trying to kill someone, doesn't let himself be ruled by his anger like that.

>>149229539
>Y was never good anyway
I hate Journalism speak so much.

>>149215727 (OP)
>NOOOOOOO you can't just kill the mass murdering piece of shit!
Why are liberals like this?

>>149233187
They need their constituents to vote for them.

>>149229356
>>149229375
>>149229523
2008 Civil War, Ultimatum, One more day

>>149215727 (OP)
No the stupidest page in comic book history is Spider-Man being beaten to death by a small mob of civilians. Not super powered civilians, just civilians.

He can lift a train but three normal people can hold him down. He can tank hits from The Rhino, but Human fists and boots were just way overkill for Spider-Man.

Obvious character assassination by someone who actually hates comic books or at least hates Spider-Man.

Absolute utter diseased diarrhea dog shit.

>>149224051
... Why would Peter be a hypocrite here? There's a world of difference between this clear act of self defense and what the fucking Punisher does. There isn't a court on this planet that would try Peter for murder here.

>>149224117
He will push for policy where lazy good for nothing people like you are stripped of their freedom and forced to join the military where you will fight and die for the politicians ambition and the corporations profits.

>>149224869
>>149224888
Looks neat I’ll give it a read

>>149233232
>>149216535
Reminder that both of these are Guggenheim who thought Wolverine could resurrect from a drop of blood

>>149224888
>>149224869
Everything related to The One Below All is shit and so is the story of "Hulk destroys super omnipotent beings by eating them" shit. Death Battle was an absolute apocalypse for western fiction. everyone is becoming Lionel Suggs.

>>149215814
Did the Guy teleport away? How did he get away instantaneously?

>>149233232
Wtfff

>>149233232
Is there any further context for this?

>>149233220
I want to argue the first was contrived mostly to sustain the event itself, but you're right that the latter were basically "we can make up whatever we want and it will still sell."

>>149233139
>doesn't let himself be ruled by his anger like that.
He does when it's personal. Let's be honest here. Peter only applies the "It's not what X would have wanted" bullshit to other people. Aunt May injured/killed? Gwen killed? Ben killed? Harry's son kidnapped? His parents killed?

Basically any time someone touches someone close to him, he drops all restraint. It's a consistent fucking pattern. He's not a badass. He's a normal human being with normal human limits, not a fucking saint.

Oh, he's also willing to kill when he's scared, e.g. with Morlun.

I've no idea where you dumb motherfuckers got the idea that Peter would never be willing to use lethal force. About the only reason his kill count isn't significantly longer is because people he tried to kill end up coming back, other people kill people he's trying to kill, he snaps out of it before he completely kills someone, or reality gets rewritten before he can finish the job.

I'm not trying to describe him as a badass. He's a normal fucking person that just happens to have the power to throw a tank.

>>149228160
>the protagonist of Marvel Comics
For what it's worth, it's canon that the protagonists of Marvel Comics are Peter Parker and...Adam Warlock.

>>149228160
Spider-Man has always been way more popular than Captain America.

>>149228160
There is no such thing as a protagonist in Marvel. Icons, sure, but there is no "central" character where everything in the universe revolves around them.

>>149232919
A no kill rule... is a rule that specifies no killing. It can be a code of conduct, and it usually is in this context, but just up the reply chain there was a proposed example where events conspired to always prevent lethal outcomes in the Punisher's attempted murders. That is, there is a metaphysically-enforced rule against the Punisher killing people. He doesn't change his behavior at all, it just happens to result in no one actually dying. Externally-enforced rules are still rules. Ever heard of the right hand rule in electromagnetism? That's a rule enforced by the laws of physics, not a personal code of conduct.

>>149227688
That's Catwomanwank.

>>149233671
>and...Adam Warlock.
I've really been hoping GotG3 and Rivals would prop him back up as a figure of intrigue and significance.

>>149233755
>there is no "central" character where everything in the universe revolves around them.
The universe literally killed Uncle Ben so Spider-Man could fight Thanos.