Thread 149219920

In the 90's were hated in the 90's, now they are considered based. Other than Harley, I've eyes to see an anti-hero loose thier luster. Or maybe I'm just talking out of my ass. I'm just observing is all. What you guys think of anti-heros?

>fucked up the first sentence
Fml

>>149219920 (OP)
OP I’m just here to say lobo is the shit and just would like to spread the word of his being the shit.

>>149219920 (OP)
In what universe is Lobo an anti-hero?
>>149219927
In fairness the 90s were hated in the 90s. especially in comics and music and film.
we had no idea how much worse things could get.
>>149220351
agreed. he's not an anti-hero, he's... I dunno, a template for the best versions of Deadpool.

>>149219920 (OP)
anti-heroes are more masculine therefore virtue signalling modernity has tried to get rid of them

>>149220387
we need to start taking responsibility for how we let that happen. we could have stopped it.

>>149220431
>we could have stopped it

not when comic companies are trying to market to a younger audience that doesn't buy comics, is insecure from social media making them puritans and sexually regressive, and a younger generation who DOESN'T FUCKING READ

Anti-heroes are in my opinion just better characters narratively. Not necessarily the edgy-fag craze anti-heros but the trope in general.
Think of your standard heroic character:
>I want to DO THE RIGHT THING AND HELP PEOPLE
Dude isn't a human, he's a walking virtue signal, he can't have conflicting emotions or be selfless because they only thing he wants is to be heroic in of itself.

Now an anti-hero? He wants things, he's cynical, intelligent and thoughtful, and sees things for what they are. If he does choose to act heroically it's even more admirable because he is doing so in a non-idyllic setting. He is smart enough to understand the merit of more sinister ideologies and if he does behave against the grain he is doing so against prevalent anti-social narrative talking points. If he acts selfless it's even more noteworthy because he is actively being self-sacrificial of his own motives. If he doesn't you can probably sympathize with him. And, if he does start murdering people it was probably for a really good fucking reason. We don't accept Kantian or Utilitarian bullshit here, thx. They're generally just smarter, deeper, better and the depths of their heroism when it happens go further.

I've also noticed there are basically zero anti-heroines.

>>149220540
this anon gets it, but i don't agree that an anti-hero can't be utilitarian

>zero antiheroines
i can't think of any either. the situation is bad

>>149219920 (OP)
>In the 90's were hated
what? there a million "antihero" comics in the 90s and it's not because nobody liked them

>>149221049
anon, this was long before anyone could even claim to be attempting to give the people what they want
tons of things were not the things people wanted but the thing they hated instead. you had no choice.
>>149219920 (OP)
it's funny how badass comics Lobo looks, but the guy I think of first is still mr high nosebridge, wild spiky hair, Brad Garrett voiced, subtly-cartoon-proportioned last czarnian from STAS. He left an impression.

>>149220478
they've made that younger generation pretty fucking repressed. I have no idea what's in the future, but it's not more babies.

also I'm talking about way way back. there were key points in the 70s and 90s where men could have stood up, been men, and put everything back into its place. but we were so focused on being 'nice' which is a lazier version of kindness that involves inaction instead of putting your comfort aside for others' benefit.

>>149220540
I don't think I've ever once seen the kind of character you're describing, fictional or otherwise.
>antiheroines
Females aren't really capable of the kind of introspection you've described.

>>149221169
>anon, this was long before anyone could even claim to be attempting to give the people what they want
comics were far more popular then than they are now

has to be a bot thread or op's drunk

>>149222026
Eh, better than a vast majority of threads right now.
Have a bump.

>>149219920 (OP)
They were hated by squares in the 90s, old adult nerds and my peers who emulated old nerds, overall they were liked.... it's why they were popular

Venom sold the most toys of any character in the 90s

>>149219920 (OP)
no one can match the death dealer.

>>149221677
not remotely my point
they had very little in the way of useful feedback from people, and had to just guess and hope and go by sales

>>149222414
from the thumbnail I thought this was a troll looking upward

>>149222462
>hey had very little in the way of useful feedback from people, and had to just guess and hope and go by sales
and sales of antiheroes were good, because people liked them, which is why they kept making more. glad we got there in the end

>>149222500
That's true, I hadn't noticed.

>>149222719
Not. The point.
You can't say "They made them because it's what people wanted"
They fucking guessed. What sells is what sells, they hope it's because people like it, but what if it's just the best available. what if it's just the most popular. what if it was a fluke.

>>149222917
Yes, you can. Consistent high sales means people want the thing you're selling. Also, there were avenues for feedback in the 90s, fan dialogue with creators and publishers didn't start with Twitter. You're just talking out your ass.

>>149223039
right, i'm the one talking out of my ass. not the guy who sounds like an executive.

>>149220351
>Really hates Captain Comet.
Funny

>>149219920 (OP)
>now they are considered based
Lobo's always been a joke, same with Deadpool.

Next time, lead with a character who's actually grounded in being an anti-hero.

>>149220351
'Bout FRAGGIN time we had another 'Bo thread, eh boys?

>>149220540
holy shit you're a faggot

>>149220540
>Dude isn't a human, he's a walking virtue signal, he can't have conflicting emotions

This is literally the original appeal of Spider-Man as a hero and what made him so popular, someone who feels enormous responsibility but also struggles in doing the right thing.

>>149222917
>You can't say "They made them because it's what people wanted"

Yeah, you can. You are describing how the market works in a nutshell. It's all ultimately a guess, even now, but sales indicated people at the time loved anti-heroes. It's why the Punisher was able to support two simultaneous series in the 90s, Venom kept getting solo books where he was shifted from being a pure villain, etc.

>>149219920 (OP)
This is funny because Lobo in the 90s was specifically a parody of 90s grimdark edgy anit-heroes.

>>149220431
What could i have possibly done about it

>>149223706
We accept your concession.

>>149220431
No we couldn't hd video meant men spending more time doing skin care, this is the direct result of it

Everybody likes the bad boy more than the nerd

Aside from nerds, but nobody agrees with them

Sometimes people made fun of it like any popular trend, but edgy stuff and antiheroes were legit huge in the 90s. Look at games like Mortal Kombat too.

It's weird seeing some goofy ideas about how things were before the internet got big. Soon there won't be anybody left alive before that, leaves me feeling a bit melancholy.

>>149224575
Isn't he older than the archetype? But nevertheless, he feels more like a parody of the action movies that the 90s' anti heroes aped

>>149226002
All any dumb zoomer secondary needs to do is go to Walmart or Hot Topic and see half the Marvel merch is still Venom, to see the truth. Even the MCU hasn't slowed this down

Deadpool proves it's still popular beyond nostalgia too because normies didn't know Deadpool before the 2010s, and he also takes up a big chunk of Marvel merch. And everyones favorite X-Men is still Wolverine he just doesn't sell as much merch because only black people wear yellow. And you're gonna see more Punisher skull shirts than Cap shield shirts, etc

>>149226008
Antiheros didn't get popular in the 90s, that's just when they defined culture the most

The 70s is the start of their rise, the 80s is when they flourished and grew, the 90s is when they just ruled. People forget that the 80s was as edgy an era as the 90s in media, 90s just kinda went over the top with it. And id argue the 80s was more about darkness, while the 90s was more of a like "fuck you!!!!!!!!" additude that permeated culture

>>149226008
He's slightly older than the trend going full swing, and not designed as such originally, but the incarnation people are most familiar with was due to him being tweaked as a way to parody the rising amount of anti-heroes.