How does pitching a kids cartoon actually work? /co/ said there's no chance Benny Dingo will be greenlit, but creators with way worse histories have gotten to work on high profile childrens animated media. Don't they just go off the product you are presenting to them? I don't think they care how you act on the internet or what porn you look at.

you call your uncle who owns the cartoon company and say
>oy vey im vaklempt please gimme my own cartoon show meshugina im gonna plotz
and then you jave a cartoon.

>>149221688
Which cartoon should I jave?

>>149221625 (OP)
it's literally a presentation of your idea. That's what pitch bibles are for.
Then the men in suits either tell you to fuck off because your show isn't what they're looking for, or they give you a chance to get your show developed further but you have to sign a bunch of contracts first
Now the network owns your show, you make a short 1-2 minute animation of what your show looks like, and the men in suits once again have the opportunity to decide if your show is shit or not but this time if they say no you already signed the IP away so it's no longer yours, it's theirs, and you can never pitch the idea to anyone else.
I've been told in the past the smartest thing to do is to look at what a network is putting out there before pitching because that's the kind of content they want. For example, Disney TVA has lots of kids shows with female protagonists, so you want to pitch that, but you have to have a unique grab to it otherwise they won't want it. And you can't pitch something that's too similar to something they're already making or they also won't want it.
Following that logic, Benny Dingo could get greenlit by a company like DTVA but they'd probably want a female protagonist, and there's a 50% chance they outright reject the pitch for being to similar to something like Kiff.
There's a much higher chance Benny Dingo would get picked up by a network like Nickelodeon but even Nick has been falling into doing more family oriented shows more recently

>>149221625 (OP)
Camtoonist is inspiring to me. He's proof you can be the dumbest retard imaginable and still develop amazing drawing skills. It's not over 4me.

>>149222010
This seems like a zoomer thing to say. There's tons of vintage artcows with decent artistic abilities in spite of their stupidity.

>>149222010
Why did he just simply NOT steal the character design from fetish art? It wouldn't have mattered or been an issue then. It's just so baffling.
It would be like making a normal cartoon show and then insisting that the main character was a direct copy of that baby from the Tails Bench comic.

>>149222060
It's based as far as I care

>>149221625 (OP)
Kids cartoons are dead because India and AI and YouTube

>>149222060
he's weird. I tried to commission him once and he insisted I pay him by contributing to his indiegogo

>>149222010
It's hilarious that this show of all things has gained some of the responses it has on this site, like the concept is that fuckin wild.

I understand critiques and different viewpoints, but if the design inspiration really bothers you that much, just tune out. The pilots heavy in production, and it's being made with the love it needs.

>>149222106
Post proof it's you, dingofag

>>149222010
>make kids show protagonist an inflation rape dingo clone
>post about this openly on a nazi white supremacist internet hate machine website with real name
>double down when criticized and call everyone close-minded
>make youtube announcement directly telling underage fans about the inflation furry account that inspired you
it's almost based

>>149222104
Proof?

>>149222106
Cam if this is you just stop fighting against it. Shut your mouth, and work on your pilot. You giving us attention makes it worse.

>>149222147
It's a troll larp, it would be extremely coincidental if Cameron showed up now when BD is rarely posted about anymore. Unless he's self-aware and making self-deprecating threads about his own cartoon for advertisement. But he wouldn't be that pathetic... right?

>>149222195
With all due respect, despite your rude way of addressing me, I can respond to anyone I'd like to about my series. Don't make it a thing to squash people expressing themselves. If you can comment on something, I can too. We're both adults (assumingly).

Also, in response to the indiegogo contribution comment, what difference does it make if someone came to me, asked for a commission, and as a way to pay, I requested it to be sent in support of a project I'm working on? I've never forced anything at all on anyone, and that was completely up to them if they wanted to pay in support of the cartoon or through another means. Does this really have to be explained in defense of it not being "weird"?

>>149222257
>Unless he's self-aware and making self-deprecating threads about his own cartoon for advertisement.
I doubt it. I imagine some anons just check on the progress of the pilot every few months and it gives them the urge to make a balloon molester coyote thread. There's not much to discuss though. He got new VAs I guess? I only see the point of a thread when the finalized pilot is out, which is probably at least a year away. Otherwise it'll just devolve into obsessed autistic bullshit like >>149222366 pretending to be the guy.

>>149221688
And then he says
> Oy, yuh muddah always sed you wuz a nogood schlameel Frankie!
And then his wife says
>Oh Harry, let's go to that Mexican place, they have the best Fuh-Jye-Tuhs

Somebody please post the archive link, I didnt bookmark it last time and this story is LEGENDARY.

>>149222590
Everyone talks about the Benny Dingo dude but nobody ever remembers the Detective Cat dude

>>149222616
Who?

>No one remembers Detective Cat :,,,(
He says without posting a link.

>>149222616
What's Detective Cat?

>>149222184
This is just my viewpoint on the matter, and I'm not demanding that anyone change their viewpoint for me. The fan boy characters in grey's work are not rapists. They do not fit the description of a rapist, or sexual assault. None of what they do is meant to be taken seriously and, contextually is humorous and silly as much as it is mature and harassment.

These are just my own thoughts on this discussion, since it pertained to something I'm connected with.

If you want an example of a character who very similar, Beetlejuice sexually harassed and was a big creep in the film that was adapted into a cartoon series for kids, and as far as I can tell, no ones really complained about that.

In regards to 4chan, I don't see or wasn't aware of some of the heinous shit thats been shared on this site that you mentioned, but almost every site the internet has a degree of awful, disgusting stuff on it, such as YouTube or Twitter, that many just ignore, and this site gaining a poor reputation is the fault of those who caused that, as it's just a cataloged board sharing service.

I just check out certain sections of it from time to time, such as animation, film, and art boards because for the most part, they're cool and give a lot of great insight and behind the senves info on animation and films.

>>149222847
>I don't see or wasn't aware of some of the heinous shit thats been shared on this site
You were not aware of 4chan's politically incorrect reputation?
Are we losing our touch?

>>149222847
For what it's worth, I don't think you've done anything too bad. But you should recognize you're trying to break into an industry full of hypersocialized college grads who will have panic attacks over anything they deem problematic. Grey depicts women running in fear, saying "no" and pushing the dingoes away while packs of dingoes close in on them to gangrape them with helium tanks. You're probably not getting away with that because Beetlejuice exists. I'm not saying that's the way things should be, I'm just saying this is the way things are.

>>149223138
I have zero context for what benny dingo is based on and now I'm intrigued coz lmao wtf

>>149222847
>In regards to 4chan, I don't see or wasn't aware of some of the heinous shit thats been shared on this site that you mentioned,
Seriously? Do you never venture outside a handful of threads on /co/?

>>149222616
>>149222649
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/131751388/#131753578
The cat detective thread wasn't very interesting, likely some dude pretending to be the creator. I hope we get more indie animators here, they usually seem to give us something fun.
>>149223170
Original Benny dingo thread:
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/136782494/#q136782494
Basically, Camtoonist made a thread promoting his upcoming cartoon and people found out the main character of his cartoon Benny dingo looks just like a inflation fetish character. Cam outright said it was based off of the fetish character and then began defending his inspiration.
A quote from Cam himself:
>Alot of kids see alot of things on the internet or a NSFW or adult nature, and usually, theres no harm done. That's life.

>>149223295
I can't imagine everyone here is looking at every aspect of the websites they visit.

>>149223387

I think others found my answers or mindset more interesting that I did.

>>149223138

With everything that exists in the world, I'll take my chances, though I hear what you're saying as a concern. Honestly, I don't care about the source nearly as much as some others here claim, too.

I'm aware that what those fanboys do, they do for their own arousal often against the girl characters, but it is portrayed as an overtly negative thing even in the cartoony context, and what I'm doing isn't connected with any of his work.

>>149223602
*more interesting than I did.

For fuck's sake, it has been A FULL YEAR and Cam is still justifying this.

You're falling for the sunk cost fallacy. You're committing to a design for a family cartoon that will get rejected on the spot because you based your protagonist on furry inflation rape porn. If you just change the design now when 80% of your cartoon is still unfinished, you'll save so much time over scrapping a fully finished pilot. You lost all plausible deniability about exposing kids to your fetishes when you posted about GreyofPTA on your youtube channel.

There is nothing artistically profound or principled or visionary about inserting a one dimensional deviantart fetish character into a kid's show. I'm almost convinced you know this and the anon who said you're self awarely doing this to advertise/market is right because there's no way you are genuinely this braindead and incapable of comprehending how this could possibly backfire on you later. You're not owning close minded puritans, at best you're wasting your life and at worst you're ruining it. Just like I'm wasting my life trying to get through to you since you have so much potential but you insist on being another dime a dozen EPI furry groomoid thinking with your dick instead of your brain.

Why does anyone here actually believe dingoman has a chance at pitching to the industry?
This isn't even a dig at him or his skills (He's quite good). The industry is heavily gatekept and even those already in it can't get anything greenlit that isn't a reboot

It's hilarious how the dingo is literally the only problem and everybody liked the pilot otherwise yet he still doubles down on not changing it

>>149223705
He thinks his work being criticized is akin to corporate meddling turning his brilliant artistic vision into soulless slop like this:
https://youtu.be/IZ3HtauD1KM?si=WTMoOWSGuJwTDRt8&t=22

Any concessions on the dingo design would make the whole pilot fall apart in his eyes. He physically cannot make this cartoon if Benny doesn't look like an inflation rape dingo.

Why would anyone want to work in the industry at this point? Just go indie and fund your shit through kickstarters.

>>149223705
>>149223956

I actually have taken into account some of the critiques I saw, and for myself doing what I thought worked best for the show and others concerns, have altered his design heavily into it's own thing.

I agree that early on in the storyboards, he did look alike like greys fanboy, though that was unintentional and more because I was just focused on telling the story and the character's personality more than his design, knowing nothing was final then.

Part of character design and synergy for a show is the way things look together, and I just love Benny's appearance in connection with the other characters and designs of the series.
Kind of like if you changed SpongeBob's
design, he may not flow as nicely next to Patrick and Squidward or something like that. I just see it like Juston helped me figure out a design that inspired a fun personality I had in my head, which is a common thing amongst animated productions.

>>149223651
would it work if it wasnt a family cartoon. i have no idea whats going on here

>>149225027
>I actually have taken into account some of the critiques I saw, and for myself doing what I thought worked best for the show and others concerns, have altered his design heavily into it's own thing.
Where's the redesign?

>>149223956
>>149225188

I think they look pretty different. Shots are being adjusted to fit the updated benny character design, for anyone here who cares.

>>149225188
That's not the real Cameron. The recent colored and cleaned up shots for the pilot still use the same design.

>>149225240
Kinda messy. Do you not have a new turnaround or something to compare to the previous design?

>>149225240
You need to change the clothes. I don't know why you thought copying the red turtleneck was smart.

>inflation rape dingos
fuckin mad libs

>inflates your female anthro waifu
>pops her like an overinflated balloon before your eyes
>turns her into a giant blueberry
>seduces her into a crazed sex orgy
>pops her like a pimple

>>149223602
>I'm aware that what those fanboys do, they do for their own arousal often against the girl characters
Nigga are you listening to yourself? Why would you ever want to link your cartoon for children to that kind of content? It's not like I'm offended by it, I'm a degenerate too. I'm just baffled by your decision to connect degenerate spank material to your portfolio and real identity especially if you want to do content for kids.
>and what I'm doing isn't connected with any of his work
Then why take any inspiration from him at all?

>>149225530
>tfw she consents so you pack your helium and leave

>>149225701
I'm just saying in response because this is a discussion . I don't care about the fanboys, and I don't care about the source. The idea and show I had has nothing to do with it. The design was an inspiration source, I spoke with the original artist about so they'd be aware, and that's it. There's tons of things based on other things out there, whether very broadly, or very closely. Calling them "rape dingo" whatever is just trying to make something look worse than it is. I just stumbled across a design online that I liked a long time ago.

There's been vulgar, mature, R-rated adult aimed material that was toned down for family's and children, and vice versa. I don't give a shit that the design was inspired from adult, albeit cartoony and family cartoon style inspired sfw, aimed material. If you want to check it out, I made a list of just off the dome examples, since I have to spoonfeed things to people here who should be able to do their own research if they've made the decisions they do. You can say whatever you want, but I love my show and my characters. I think the series idea is strong for something appealing. I'll always keep an eye and listen to what people have to say, but this point, I'm almost really only concerned with what studio people and specific higher mandates have to say.

Too Loud - The Loud House

Lisa Loud's character design - Dexters Lab

Spongebob Squarepants - Pee Wee Herman, Pee Wee's Big Adventure, character design

Bugs Bunny - Groucho Marx, plus other direct references to stars of the time.

Shaggy Rogers - Maynard G. Krebs, as played by Bob Denver, The Many Loves of Dobie Gillis, character design

Fred Jones - Dobie Gilis, The Many Loves of Dobie Gillis

Daphne Blake - Thalia Menninger, The Many Loves of Dobie Gillis

Velma Dinkley - Zelda Gilroy, The Many Loves of Dobie Gillis

The Lion King - Kimba the White Lion

Bloo - Ghosts from Pacman
Totally Spies is an obviously thinly veiled fetish driven cartoon, aimed at young audiences.

TDL was very adult/teen in nature and TDL Preschool Fairy app especially at a fetished undertone.

Numerous Walt Disney Animated Features are based on stories featuring very adult or R-Rated Themes.

Little Red Riding Hood Original Story - Adaptions appropiate for children.

Cinderella Original Story - Cinderalla adaptions appropiate for children.

"Gear" Comic Series by Doug Tennapel - Catscratch

The Mask Dark Horse Comic Series - The Mask 1994 Movie

Beetlejuice Movie - Beetlejuice the animated series

Actors who have made pornographic films and material, that then went on to work in children's and family media.

Toxic Avenger - Toxic Crusaders

Rick and Morty's cameo in Space Jam A New Legacy

It Movie (1990) and It (2017) - It novel by Stephen King, which features an orgy between children

Dr Seuss's pornographic artwork, featuring designs he would later adapt or had utilized in children's media.

Foreign Rabbit cartoon based on adult material that I can't remember the name of.

>>149226609
The Fanboys are furry porn OCs. They're used for porn. You are stupid if you think designing a character the Fanboys isn't going to raise a few eyebrows.
>>149226618
I don't have the time to go over every example, but using the works of other artists' to make a case for your appropriation of a character whose design for decades has been used for inflation porn isn't going to work. Just scrap the current design for Benny and make one that's totally divorced from the Fanboys. You can either try to save yourself from being eviscerated by relentless trolling or continue acting like a retard.

>>149221625 (OP)
Based solely on that one Adult Swim cartoon pitch livestream it sounds like the most important thing is a good sounding gimmick and a description of what an average episode will entail that sounds both entertaining and like it will be easy to milk/air in any order.

Like so:
> Owl House: A young witch in training gets into wacky hi-jinks as she encounters new spells, creatures, and items in a fantasy land while learning lessons with her friends. A typical episode will have her snappy mentor figure give her a new quest at the beginning of the episode leading her to have to go on an adventure with either her pet sidekick or one of her friends to get a magical item or accomplish a task with their help. Sometimes running into opposition from the Witch Emperor or a snooty school bully along the way.
> Dexter's Lab: A young boy genius has a secret lab under his house that only his annoying older sister knows about. A typical episode will begin with him either encountering a problem that he tries to fix with an over the top gadget that results in more hi-jinks than it solves, or his sister will interrupt an experiment resulting in hi-jinks that the two have to solve together.
> Foster's Home: A boy volunteers at a boarding house for imaginary friends. A typical episode will involve him having to help integrate a new imaginary friend into the house or dealing with a problem his imaginary friend has while living in the house allowing for assorted hi-jinks among a colorful cast of characters.
> Kids Next Door: Kids in a treehouse are secret agents that fight wacky adults with fantasy equipment. A typical episode involves the Kids having a mission that puts them in conflict with a cast of colorful characters such as a Pirate that steals candy, a homework villain, or a vampire that turns others into vampires by spanking them leading the kids to have to defeat them with kooky technology such as waterguns that shoot lasers.

Something like that.

>>149221625 (OP)
It's simple. Make sure your cartoon is about kid characters in a realistic setting who act like real kids. Now make sure the designs are super simplistic so the animation can be done for basically no money. Congrats, you have yourself a cartoon.

>>149221625 (OP)
You either have industry friend or no show

>>149221625 (OP)
>but creators with way worse histories have gotten to work on high profile childrens animated media.
Like who?

>>149226609
>>149226618
Even if you're right, coming out as a furry inflation fetishist under your full real name is one hell of a choice. Based or cringe, I can't tell.

>>149223387
I was in that original thread. It was glorious.

>>149229488
It would be based if he actually owned it but he just keeps coming up with pathetic justifications trying to make it palatable and arguing an internet genre he jerks off to isn't porn because it's cartoony and doesn't show explicit sex

I remember when the original thread happened, I messaged GreyofPTA on Deviant Art about the situation on his profile. He deleted my comment and private messaged me instead, implying he'd read the thread (which was still going at the time and not archived yet) because he accused /co/ of slandering him as some anons suspected he groomed Cameron, since Cam was 11 years old when he discovered Grey and the dingos and they're both friends. It's been 2 years but I'll see if I saved our conversation somewhere. I just remember him being almost as autistic and painfully unaware as Cam is and saying something like "/co/ thinks I am as manipulating as a svengali" (I still don't know what the fuck that meant) but he did admit Cam should change the design. Either he never told Cam to, or Cam ignored him. I have no proof of this but I speculate the autistic anon who showed up at the end of the thread to defend Grey was probably Grey himself since it was after I linked him to the thread. No matter what truly happened I think the moral of the story is to not give kids unregulated unfiltered internet access, but thatslife.mp3

>>149229560
Or maybe I just stumbled across a design I thought looked cool for inspiration. At this point, I just view making the show as a more of an accepted challenge against some of the viewpoints here. The only people who seem to give a shit about greys work being any kind of mentioned are a handful of people who, I guess, care about that.

I had to share the info about the fanboyz at some point and somewhere, so I did it online where it'd hopefully be seen. My channels for everyone, but I'll throw a warning when/if I mention it from now on that mature content is associated.

/co/ is the worst board

>>149229942
When in doubt, and people disagree with your viewpoint on somsthing like this, just call them autistic.

It's hilarious me saying I saw an artist and spoke to them when I was younger makes them a groomer just for responding, when dude probably didn't know my age at the time and there was no indication of that, since you care so much.

Cameron for the love of christ please hire a PR guy and stop talking

>>149230214
/vp/ : Hold my Beer

Here.
He kind of throws Cameron under the bus a little. Apparently Cam never informed him what he was using the design for, and the first time they had any contact was when Cam asked for permission to use the dingo character, Grey "never had any real conversations with him"

>>149230234
I don't have an opinion on what went down between you and Grey when you were a kid, I'm neutral on that part and anyone speaking for you would be patronizing. But you are pretty autistic for retooling a character from Deviant Art furry inflation rape porn for a crowdfunded wholesome kids cartoon you intend to pitch to a network. Grey is autistic for not telling you this was a bad idea when he found out. You both share a second hand embarrassing lack of awareness of how your actions come across in the perspective of others, you refuse to acknowledge anyone's perspective except your own, and you talk down to people as if they're idiotic bad actors who don't know anything about art for disagreeing with you.
This is 4chan, the most horny degenerate, immoral, un-PC website to advertise on. If we're telling you that you're in the wrong, what do you think normie moral policing mainstream audiences are going to say?
Benny Dingo has to have quality on par with your comparisons like Dexter's Lab, Scooby Doo, The Mask and Dr Seuss for people to overlook Benny's origins as a sleazy horndog with no plot or reading value besides being the catalyst for non-con inflation. My fetishes are no better than yours and I am autistic as fuck, I'm not calling you guys autistic to be a judgey meanypants. You factually don't know how to talk to people, handle social situations or manage your reputation. You both have no tact. Benny Dingo should've been a personal project, not a crowdfunded TV pitch intended for kids.

>>149230214
>>149230929
/v/: heh, watch and learn

>The only contact I had with him was when he initially showed me the design of Benny and asked if I was cool that he based it on my design.

>It's hilarious me saying I saw an artist and spoke to them when I was younger makes them a groomer just for responding, when dude probably didn't know my age at the time and there was no indication of that, since you care so much.

>>149231291
Camtoon BTFO’d

>>149231331
Unless "Cameron" proves it's really him, I take anyone on /co/ claiming to be Cameron with a pinch of salt.

>>149223387
I just noticed now he mentioned being chums with Kyle Carrozza, what a coincidence top kek

>>149231349
>>149231291

My pr is fine, man. I'm just talking about the series and what you all are discussing. Yeah, Grey and I aren't best friends, and he may not remember when I reached out under a different name years ago prior to 2021, but I did mention that to him, and while we haven't talked in a few years in messages now, we did talk several times and had conversations about animation and work, so he's probably just misremembering. I'm only saying this now because I'm seeing things here that just aren't true.

I don't have our entire conversation from when I reached out about the idea to him in 2021 to rekindle his awareness, but I do have some evidence to show our conversating on Twitter. I don't usually share direct messages like this in this vibe, but just for the sake of this discussion and misinformation, I'll show a few with dates.

I understand people like drama and are bored, but before you throw accusations or rumors at people, please get your fact straight and speak with people in a direct way, rather than smearing them in a way then commenting on their pages about it with links that might hurt them. You probably made Grey nervous by doing so, and it may have jarred his responses.

And as for Kyle, we aren't friends, and never were. That was years before he was exposed, and I saw his advice purely from an "creator and animator in the industry" perspective.

For those thinking negatively, you're making this much worse than it ever was.

>>149233003
>My pr is fine, man

>>149231291
>Grey acknowledges Cam had shown him Benny, a character that looks almost 1:1 to his fanboys
>is fine with it
I know I shouldn't be surprised that Grey is like this because he's an internet boomer, but come on man. Come on. Fucking old fart.
>It would be a pain to redesign Benny now
No. It would not.
>>149233003
You actually sought advice from Kyle FUCKING Carrozza? Omega lul

>>149233003
>My pr is fine
Your cartoon is barely out and it's already been hugely memed that your mc is a rapist

>>149233003
If you're so drama averse, why would you even take this risk in the first place? Did you never plan ahead or ever consider how people would react when you tell them what inspired you? You could've avoided all this by using any design except from porn you watch
>he's probably just misremembering
He's purposefully lying

>>149233101
This the only site giving it that meme, exaggerated or not, which I can't control. You've got freedom of speech, man. Someone would've said something about it whether I promoted it when I did here, or in the future.

>>149233081

I sought out advice from someone who chose to follow me on Twitter and was in the animation industry with shows/created pilots to his name. I didn't follow his personal life or everything he's done.

>>149221625 (OP)

>>149233197
Nobody knows literally who you are or what your pilot is except 4chan. Your only audience and popularity currently are people shitposting about Benny "if she fights back inflate her to the max" Dingo. If your cartoon hits the algorithm and blows up (kek) the memes here will bleed over. You've already had anons from /co/ commenting on your channel. Why do you trust your own judgement on your PR so much over the actual public telling you what they think about you? Do you know what PR means?