Thread 149230244

Is Disney right?
Should we support Elio so Disney will keep making original films?
The Disney remakes are the only ones making money nowadays.

>>149230244 (OP)
To be fair, I don't show up to remakes and sequels any more than I do to movies that don't even try not to look boring and pointless.

>>149230244 (OP)
More like "Stop complaining that people aren't seeing your movies when you make them look fucking ugly as shit".
Elio, Turning Red and Luca look like dogshit. That art style is disgusting.

>>149230244 (OP)
I don't complain about them not making original stories.
I complain about them making garbage movies.
If they stopped doing that, I might actually show up again.

I'm not going to see Toy Story 5 or Frozen 4 either

>>149230244 (OP)
They sound incredibly butthurt, why was this the one time internet got to them?
they seemed pretty silent about criticism most of the time, only other time I can think about Disney being butthurt was in "Strange World" where they rant about movies not needing villains, but that one had no relation with Pixar

>>149230244 (OP)
Stop complaining about us not showing up to your original movies when they suck the chrome off a car bumper.

>>149230244 (OP)
Make good original stories with appeal and we will show up. You aren't entitled to our time and money you narcissistic fucks.

>>149230244 (OP)
This excuse doesn't work when Elemental made half a billion.

>>149230329
On another note, I dont give a shit how many braindead normies go to see Nu Lilo and Stitch, all your remakes and sequels suck just as bad as your original stuff. NOTHING Disney makes these days is good.

>>149230305
Nah, the "ugly as shit" bit is just /co/'s general rationalized narrative hinging on whether the movie or show stars a hot girl or an underage one they can sexualize .

The movie looks competent, it's just that nothing about it seems original or particularly interesting for parents to drag their kids and watch. They basically need to get to fucking work and come up with a great innovative concept or an interesting visual approach nobody can ignore or shrug away.

>>149230244 (OP)
if Pixar continues to make original movie, then maybe they should make actual good movies akin to Incredibles, WALL-E, Ratatouille and Monsters Inc. instead of making slop to appease to both toddlers and middle-aged wine drinking women, because that's the shit that's jeopardizing their original core audiences

>>149230244 (OP)
Make more hand drawn animation and maybe I'll show up.

>>149230318
I think their (Disney/Pixar)’s inability to make any new IP is starting to get to them, they had almost a dozen attempts last 10 years and only one (Encanto) was a modest success enough to not be retired and used in other contexts. Elemental had a last minute surge to break even. Everything else bombed. The last success before that was Coco all the way back in 2017.
They have to rely on recycling the same safe entries they have no passion for to increasingly diminishing results. They can’t make anything for new generations to replenish that backlog so that Disney remains relevant and not just based off 15-30 year old properties that are old to new gens
The frustration is starting to show

>>149230244 (OP)
If we don't eat the sloppa, they can't make the Kino.

>>149230244 (OP)
>Stop complaining about stale bread if you don't show up to eat dog shit.

>>149230377
Kys

>>149230665
If I did, at least I wouldn't need to delete half of the contents of my computer first.

>>149230377
Holy shit, what a fucking projecting retard you are.

>>149230487
I don't know why they dropped the ball so hard with frozen, making II a white guilt allegory and not sequeling them out until they stopped making money. I don't know why they haven't made a Disney princess team up movie yet either.

>>149230244 (OP)
It's not enough for a story to be original, it also has to be good. Elio wasn't.

There's a studio in the process of adapting a kid's book about a dung beetle that's embarrassed about eating literal shit for their school lunch and while I can honestly say I've never seen an animated movie like that and it's a very original idea, I can also honestly say that absolutely nothing about that pitch appeals to me or will convince me to see it.

>>149230665
>>149230722
Calarts grubhub beanmouths aren't real anons, they can't hurt you

>>149230377
Dummy.

>>149230762
The persecution complex minority kids have for kids telling them their lunch smells weird is so pathetic. To them it's a life changing traumatic event akin to being raped. My polish American mom sometimes gave me sauerkraut and other fermented veggies or fish for lunch. Other kids told me it smelled bad or weird. So fucking what? It didn't change the fact I loved eating it. But when it happens to Asian American kids, it seemingly destroys their entire lives.

>>149230244 (OP)
>Is Disney right?

Fuck no. I don't give half a fat shit how "original" something is if it isn't also GOOD.

>>149230377
Anon, /co/ is a beacon of ego-free critical thinking, good taste and sophisticated visual literacy, cerebral understanding of media demographics, and healthy adult relationship experience.

They loathe this movie out of deep insight onto its objective terribleness, not out of what at least other 25 threads in the catalog right now may imply.

People want original ideas that are also good stories. But this is not Disney/Pixar's biggest problem. Elio is a decent script. Raya and the Last Dragon maybe need one more re-write to be really solid. I think Luca was really good. Soul was great.

The problem is that they keep spending $200+ mil on these fucking movies and guarantee that it's going to bomb unless it makes $600mil+. That's such a fucking gamble and they KEEP DOING IT. Stop with the constant test audiences. Stop with the re-writes. Stop straining the tech because you think every fucking rain drop needs to have realistic physics.

Flow was made in fucking Blender by a small team and made more of an impact than anything Disney and Pixar has done in years. You didn't need Elemental to be a fully constructed city with 200+ characters in the crowd simulations and hire a linguistic to invent a fire language. You should've pushed the tech to look more like watercolor and gone for a simplistic look while figuring out how to cut corners with background shots.

>>149230244 (OP)
Stop making super lame trauma dumps. I don't CARE about your and your LAME autobiography! Keep that content to a book somewhere. If you're making a movie for all audiences then you had better incorporate traditional tropes that have withstood the test of time. Or else be satisfied with the slop you threw out. You made a story literally for Y O U. You can't be mad when others completely pass on it.

Also no one wants a lousy movie experience. Elio doesn't inspire anything in me to go see it. I don't imagine he would be interesting to young me either. He looks too lame and soft. Like he gets picked on and doesn't have any friends or a father figure to emulate.

>>149230895
The push towards the 'tentpole film' model by studios has been an absolute disaster for the industry. 30 years ago if a film bombed you shrugged it off because you had a half a dozen more films in the pipeline, any one of which could easily make enough money to cover the lot. Maybe a director or actor gets a stink to them because of a particularly movie, but the point is you've got redundancy, you can't expect billion dollar box office takes, but you can confidently expect to make your investment back and a little something extra to keep the studio churning out movies. Now most studios bank their entire fiscal year on one or two $100M+ films now and when you add up marketing and promotion costs, those films all need to make about 2 or 3:1 of their production budget to end up turning a profit.

Look at Columbia Pictures - thirty years ago they were averaging 25 releases a year. This year they have nine, only one of which they're the sole studio on... and with 28 Years already seeing a 70% dropoff in its second week, and lots of negative rumors floating around the upcoming IKWYDLS and Anaconda remakes coming out this year, Columbia could end up taking a massive loss this year. A loss it could have easily absorbed thirty years ago when it had another ~two dozen half-decent movies to make ends meet.

>>149230895
Raya needed a whole lot more than a single re-write. No one talks about that stupid story. It made zero cultural impact. It gave an award to Awkafina for voice acting. That's all I need to see to know that film isn't worth my investment.

>>149230307
The last Toy Story tried to pawn a stupid spork off as a toy. And made Woody's love interest from the first film, a fragile and sweet glass figure, into some mary sue without a HINT of romantic agency or desire. No thank you. Disney can go expire in a corner for disregarding traditional storytelling.

>>149230244 (OP)
Then maybe the original movies should be good. I'm never going to see a remake either, but I'm so sick of this culture of praising or defending something just because it showed up.

>>149230244 (OP)
>Is Disney right?
No, Disney is just gaslighting to make up for the fact this bombed as bad as it did.
>Should we support Elio so Disney will keep making original films?
No because Elio was doomed to fail with or without those rewrites. Just accept that Pixar screwed the pooch with this fugly movie and move on with your lives.

Why are people who want "original movies" so mindbroken by sequels, remakes, and adaptations that they desperately pin their hopes on ANY "original movie" (good or bad) and guilt trip others into seeing it? I don't remember anyone crying THIS hard over older "original movies" flopping this badly.

>>149230244 (OP)
I'm already sick and fucking tired of this shit.

>Make a really shitty movie n one wants to see
>It fails
>You guys better give us money or else we are going to make nothing but reeeemmmaaakkkees!!


How about fuck you trying to hang this shitty original movie sword of damocles over the heads of everyone. You make a shit movie, and no one has any obligations to give money to see it. Quit making shit movies no one wants to see, and then trying to threaten everyone to watch it anyway or else we will get the remakes.

I'm going to just not watch either the sh9it original movie or the half assed remake. And studios will continue losing money, and sending animators out to work and they will keep bitching and moaning about how they cannot find work on Twitter.

>>149230895
It truly is astounding how many times a company can lose hundreds of millions of dollars, and not only stay afloat but continue to do it over and over again. I don't believe they'll go bankrupt doing this because they're fucking Disney, these people will outlive humanity probably. But at some point someone at that company will have to wake up and realize
>Hey wait a minute, pouring these comical amounts of money into projects hoping they'll just "sort of work out" in the end is a fucking asinine business model to bank on
Right? Or do they not care because they can always just say "well the STREAMING NUMBERS more than made up for it!" months later?

>>149230318
>they seemed pretty silent about criticism most of the time

Where the fuck have you been? They haven't bee silent about criticism in the last 9 years. 2016 was the film industry breaking point and when directors and producers got right to work attacking and threatening people when a movie does not make as much money as they wanted. Now any time a movie does not sell as much it's

>If Wonder Woman 84 does not make a billion then every little girl everywhere will not have a hero to look up to!
>If Marvels does not make a billion then it is clearly the work of the chuds and sexists working against it!
>If Strange World does not make a billion then the homophobes will win and little LGBT children will not have any more movies to relate to!
>Bean Mouth is only an excuse by chuds to be racist against an otherwise perfect 10/10 movie that deserves to make a billion

>>149230356
Same for Encanto, it was hugely successful.

>>149230744
All they had to do was make a plain old surface level, superficial princess adventure with songs. That's it. It would have paid for the next decade.

but they HAD to make a weird confusing overly dramatic fucking mess of a story about white people colonizing inuit lands...in Norway. Fucking nobody anywhere ever wanted to see Olaf die on screen.

>>149230895
This is American businesses (and to some extent other countries but primarily American) biggest problems. They don't seem to get that spending eight billion on a movie/game/cartoon isn't going to get eight billion people to spend money on it. It doesn't matter if it's woke or not which only has an effect if it's super in your face when you keep spending more than you're making. They seem to think that people will just go watch a movie cause it's the prettiest or has the most detail.

>>149230834
...it's the only actual element of adversity they experienced in their blessed Hollywood lives. so they cling to it.

>>149231094
Plus studios understood that a modest film would continue making money for the next decade anyway through licensing it out to other channels, streams etc. They all eventually became profitable. But post 2015 or so every single studio wants every single movie they make to be the summer blockbuster flick.

>>149231705
I swear, it's like if they took that one American Dad joke and made it their entire business model.
>Gotta spend money to make money!
>But we didn't make any money.
>And by that logic, we didn't spend any. Good night everyone!

>>149230244 (OP)
STOP MAKING THEM GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY

>>149231705
>>149231736
I blame GTA 5. Yeah, it's just assumptions but it was a massive success, the most financially successful piece of media ever, fastest to gross a billion. Before GTA 5, most games costed around $3 to $10 million for AAA, and about $250k to $1.5 million for marketing. That's unheard of nowadays. GTA 5 costed $250 million+ in development alone. Now companies are blowing a hole in their wallets just to get ads that no one pays attention to. We can't have no lowly ten million on our newest game, gamers wanna see that we almost went bankrupt making this. $500 million to the game about a brown woman with super powers in grey world. Make sure that only high end PCs and next gen consoles can run it at almost 30fps. This is surely the most marketable game ever! I know I'm talking about games but it feels like ever since GTA made a billion, companies of all media types have just gaslit themselves into believing big spending = big profits.

>>149230244 (OP)
I can make up an original story for an animated movie about a big, fat squirrel trying to lose weight by hiding her nuts all the way in Alaska, but does that mean it'll make a bazillion dollars? No. "Original" means shit that people will actually watch. Who asked for disabled gay shota adventures in space?

>>149230487
Bro, if you're going back 10 years you've got Zootopia and Moana from Disney and on the Pixar side also gets you Inside Out. The problem is you've got COVID fucking up 2-3 years of releases and no way to actually measure profitability from streaming.

>>149230895
The problem is that elio is a dogshit movie

I just like cute cartoon gals. If they don't have any, why bother?

>>149231094
>30 years ago if a film bombed you shrugged it off because you had a half a dozen more films in the pipeline,

30 years ago, Cutthroat Island drove one of the then-biggest studios in the US into bankruptcy.

>>149230895
When it started and prior to the Disney buyout Pixar existed to push the development of 3d animation as a viable format while advancing the craft. Post-buyout Pixar exists as functionally a development lab for new CGI techniques that is able to recoup costs through film profits.

>>149231094
>>149231728
Plenty of studios failed after a massive bomb. The more important reason is that the market has changed. You want to know when A New Hope's first-run cycle ended? When Empire Strikes Back was released. Films used to be able to spend months on a first-run, get sold to second-run theatres, then go to broadcast, and home video. But most of that is gone now. Theaters are a dying industry, broadcast has been massively devalued, and home video has been replaced by streaming. At the same time streaming customers want new releases immediately, don't want to pay more than their monthly fee to see them, and want to turn the service on and off as they desire.

>>149231174
Raya is a tv show plot condensed into a film.

Looks like a lamer My Teacher is an Alien

>>149232250
Cutthroat Island was just the final nail in Carolco's coffin - it got into financial trouble in the first place for exactly the reasons studios today are getting in trouble; overreliance on a handful of major blockbusters each year with few or no midbudget movies to absorb the damage if those big movies flop. They were producing successful films, but they were sinking so much into them that they were barely seeing a profit, and were even having to sell their stakes in what would have been profitable films to get them out the fucking door. In '93 their entire fiscal year depended on the success of Cliffhanger, whose budget blew up to nearly double Carolco's original estimate, and they wound up having to sell the distribution rights to TriStar and even take out loans to cover the shortfall. Pissed off about their lack of anything to show for Cliffhanger's success, they sued TriStar, got countersued, and lost - fucking their finances even harder.

By '94 preproduction on Cutthroat had started and its budget was already growing out of control. Carolco sold their stakes in Stargate and Showgirls to raise funds for it, and then took out even more loans when Wagons East flopped to the tune of ~$25M. By the time Cutthroat released it had a total production budget of $115M and a speculated $30M marketing budget (a total which, today, would be the equivalent of a third of a billion dollars). Carolco bet the entire survival of their studio on Cutthroat Island being a once-in-a-generation blockbuster... and it sure as fuck wasn't one.

>>149230244 (OP)
>Disney

The article says Pixar, retard.

>>149232323
>Plenty of studios failed after a massive bomb.
Show me one studio that was in an otherwise well-established healthy state of affairs prior to a single bomb shutting them down.

>>149232875
Show me an otherwise healthy studio now that is in risk of shutting down due to a single bomb.

>>149230799
But they sure can hurt the box office!

>>149230244 (OP)
groomer company

>>149232323
>Raya is a tv show plot condensed into a film.
A pretty bad one, too.

There is nothing original about Elio. It's another more story of a speshul kid being part of the adventure for being so speshul. That's a common trope, but nothing really happens. They think that just because the character is new, they can put them in the same plot they can't step out of and we're gonna buy.

>>149230244 (OP)
Original films still need a market.

Elio has flopped because no one looked at the trailers and posters and thought "wow, that looks really interesting". The worst thing a family film can be is uninteresting, regardless of it it's actually good or not.

>>149230356
Elemental still wasn't a financial success though. At best it broke even.

>>149230244 (OP)
if part of the marketer's plan was to yell at the audience for not watching a movie, then maybe that explains why the marketing was shit to begin with.

>>149230244 (OP)
Then don't make shitty original films nobody likes.
Listen to the majority of your audience and fuck off pandering to the 10 percent.
Stop blaming everyone because they refuse to see slop.

Since /co/ thinks it's so clever, let's see you prove it.

Pitch how you would "fix" Elio.

>>149234043
Spend the budget on death squads that kill homosexuals.

>>149234043
Take the budget and a make Buzz Lightyear of Star Command revival.

>>149230318
Of COURSE they’re butt hurt, they me tooed the heart of the company out and have done nothing but release meandering in entertaining slop since. Pixar is not at the forefront of animation anymore, they’re just bitter shrews bitching about nothing anyone cares about.

Me too was primarily a corporate power grab and Pixar is the perfect example of what it got EVERY industry, not just entertainment

>>149234153
>>149234176
For the sake of argument, let's stipulate that you cannot spend the budget on other things, you still have to make a Pixar animated movie with the same elevator pitch as Elio (a weird kid gets abducted by aliens who mistake him for the ambassador of planet Earth).

>>149231208
They turned bopeep in to a girlboss ninja warrior, it was so fucking stupid.

>>149234246
>make Elio look and act cool, more like Tanjiro
>give him a loving family he spends the movie wanting to return to
>send him on a fun space adventure
>make the alien designs more creative and humanoid, less like uninspired sea cucumber blobs
>give Elio a cute aliens waifu girl love interest
>give Elio a cool starfighter and let him pilot some vehicles
>have Elio save the cute girl waifu love interest in the end from the baddy
>make the bad guy pure evil with no redeeming qualities
>end the movie with Elio going back to his family even though the aliens want to make him their leader after he stops the baddy
>cute classic Pixar ending montage where the cute alien waifu visits Elio on earth and he's getting along with his family better
The end.

>>149234383
Also
>end credits show montage of Elio taking alien waifu love interest on a cute earth date

>>149234383
Erm sorry chud, we need to promote the worth of FOUND FAMILIES and alternative lifestyles. Also, we need to entitled boys that no one OWES you love or affection, no “waifu” for him. Typical that someone who mentioned anime would think that having a COOMER character designed to fawn over Elio is a good, or safe, idea

>>149234043
Kid befriends aliens is a pretty well tested formula. I'm frankly confused how they messed it all up. I mean isn't this is basically just reverse Lilo and Stich? That's what I'd do.

>>149234246
Make him an asshole because of blatantly not dealing well with his parents' deaths and his aunt really isn't capable of dealing with it effectively because her life also got completely turned upside down. Parallel Elio and his alien friend regarding their home situation. Reveal the alien dad always knew Elio wasn't the ambassador but played along because he thought he could manipulate the situation to his advantage and Elio managed to get his son to something other than sulk. When faced with someone who has gone through the exact same thing Elio and his alien buddy begin recognizing their own bullshit and how their caretakers are trying their best. Because Elio and Glordon have ditched everyone, Grigon declares war thinking they've kidnapped his son. Elio's aunt shows up because the government is like "Oh shit, aliens are real and an Air Force major's missing nephew managed to somehow get himself to space and kidnap one." Big confrontation where Elio and Glordon calm everyone down and explain everything with an impassioned plea that sometimes you have to look beyond your own issues to make relationships work while dramatic music plays and everyone cheers. Final scene of Earth joining the intergalactic community and Elio being declared Earth's unofficial ambassador.

Honestly, for all the nonstop bitching about the film, it seems more like a poor attempt at copying an 80s family sci-fi film than anything.

>>149234463
I know you are joking but having a cute girl with a crush on you is most boys fantasy, it needs to be included for Elio to truly be a hit. Also girls would like the romance subplot and be able to self insert in to the girl, which they would want to do if Elio was a cool heroic cute kid instead of a dweeby autistic marshmallow bitch.

I'm over here banging my head wondering how and why a film productor that made movies about talking cars and fish go on to become even more spineless? We've got officials bitching about negative feedback online

>>149230244 (OP)
If this is what they call a """good""" """original""" """film""" then they can just close down already.

>>149230244 (OP)
Apparently the film was originally a direct gay propaganda film where the aliens were the queer community and Elio had a faggot boyfriend. But they had to clean that all up during test screenings because nobody liked it. The end result had nothing going for it because it was only built as indoctrination movie and nothing else.

>>149234807
I'm surprised Hollywood Reporter was allowed to publish that. I don't know if Puxar thinks it's helping them save face, it just makes them look even more out of touch and incompetent.

>>149231705
>This is American businesses (and to some extent other countries but primarily American) biggest problems. They don't seem to get that spending eight billion on a movie/game/cartoon isn't going to get eight billion people to spend money on it.

>>149234246
>weird kid obsessed with aliens and acts like a little faggot
>gets bullied at school, family is frustrated with him
>runs away into the desert and is knocked out by a bright light
>wakes up on an alien ship
>aliens have been monitoring our planet and think we're almost ready for first contact
>ship was supposed to abduct the human selected as the to be Earth's ambassador (either somebody fictional or some famous person who makes for a good joke ambassador) but abducted Elio by mistake
>seeing his chance to learn about aliens, Elio plays along and pretends to be the ambassador
>meets fun alien bro
>shenanigans ensue
>liar reveal
>Elio gets in trouble but alien bro helps him escape
>drops him off back in the desert
>gut punch twist - due to weird FTL/wormhole/time dilation shit happened and a decade has passed instead of a day
>family is a wreck, town's gone to shit
>government shows up, captures Elio
>alien bro's ship crashed and they want Elio to unlock its secrets
>Elio and alien bro escape
>Elio realizes the world isn't better off without him
>alien bro does some FTL/wormhole/time dilation shit to get to the correct time
>Elio goes back home and makes up with his family
>Is still weird, but is confident now so he's less of a fag about it
Basically Flight of the Navigator meets It's A Wonderful Life

>>149234383
>make the bad guy pure evil with no redeeming qualities
Woah, anon, careful - that's awfully problematic.

>>149234246
>he accidentally declares war on some other species
>to save the planet he has to trick them into thinking that humans are terrifyingly strong
>friendly aliens he met help him show off his "power" by defeating them and scare off the warring species
>after being "defeated" by humanity, one of his alien friends dresses up in slave leia metal bikini but he swings his hands saying "no no, we can't do that joke anymore", the cosplaying alien storms off clearly annoyed "I thought it looked good on me!"

>>149230377
i wanna goon to pixar girls not anime shit!!

>>149234836
If they weren't out of touch and incompetent they wouldn't have made either version of this flick.

it has to be original AND good
this combination is key

>>149234043
Make the human character designs more appealing. More interesting shapes, a bit more abstract looking.

Make the main villain and their motivations much more compelling, the villain being upset they couldn't join the communiverse was a pretty lame driving motivation. For example instead maybe they were screwed over by the communiverse, maybe the communiverse is morally grey and damaged their home planet somehow.

Don't make most of the story take place in boring locations. Have more prolonged scenes in the communiverse ship, since it's the most interesting and novel location.

Showcase more lore and worldbuilding about the communiverse, showcase the aliens more and how they work, more about how and why some of them are there.

Maybe ditch the lonely orphan trope with Elio, it's a tiring way of manufacturing sympathy in a story. Something more original or creative would be nice.

>>149234246
This was a bad idea from the beginning. Homeless version of Where the Wild Things Are.

>>149235120
Actually, I feel like a more straightforward "WTWTA... but space" could work
>set in 50s or something
>kid is a weird little shit who dresses like a flash gordon knockoff
>gets sent to bed without supper or runs away or whatever
>gets abducted and taken to a crazy alien station where they declare him king of the earthlings
>things start fine, but he bites off more than he can chew
>leaves when shit hits the fan
>finds his mom waiting for him with supper leaving it ambiguous whether it was all in his imagination or not
you could make that reasonably entertaining

>>149230244 (OP)
>original films
A generic "Fish out of water" story isn't original at all

>>149234786
The people who made cars and Nemo are long gone, either retired or politicked out for the crime of being straight, male, old and white.

>>149231861
They did. It still failed.

>>149234043
Make the kid less faggy. Like, ACTUALLY make him a normal 11 year old boy and not some beta male pansy, very very few boys act like that in middle school.

I thought OP's image was clickbait or faked, but they actually said this shit on their official Instagram account.
The wild entitlement and unprofessionalism on display from those at Pixar is astounding. Like, fuck you, your job is to make movies, it's not my problem if you keep making shit that people don't wanna see. They're acting like the audience is the problem when they've been killing their own brand for years.
Maybe there's a reason people keep seeing sequels. Maybe the source material was, I dunno, actually fucking good?

>>149234043
Just make it be about the aliens. Finding Nemo was about fish, it would have sucked if it was about a human befriending fish. Plus, the alien designs are solid enough to carry a movie on their own - its the human designs dragging it down.

>>149233574
>says the faggot spamming rule breaking anime slop
lol

>>149236090
I genuinely believe that video was the result of their marketing department being utterly incompetent. If you, the marketer, have to yell at people to indulge in your product, then you have failed as a marketer.

>>149230244 (OP)
No, it's a false dilemma fallacy. Basically, they can just make stories people want to see. They're trying to be facetious and strip all context out of the situation. The reason people didn't go see it is because its a bad story idea with a protagonist no one cares about. They know this but they want to play stupid games thinking they can make you do what they want you to. Ultimately, they'll win a stupid prize because no one NEEDS Disney or Pixar to exist. Even if it meant there weren't any more animated films (which would suck) it's not like we'd die and honestly of the only animated movies you're going to get are just objectively garbage then it's functionally the same as just not having movies in the first place.

They can put up or shut up.

>>149236109
Their bizarre forced push for "Clod" from Elemental to become a meme was one of the most embarrassing things ever, I am not surprised if their marketing department sucks a big one.

>>149230244 (OP)
make them both original and good. simple as.

>>149230487
Compounding this is the fact that the only way they can dig themselves out of this is by firing all the talentless nepo babies and hiring actually good writers to make stories that don't align with their agenda. No matter what they don't get what they want.

>>149230244 (OP)
What I think will be interesting is the streaming data. When Elio ends up on Disney+, will people watch it then or will it continue to flop?

>>149234043
>>149234246
Fire all the women, homosexuals, and non-White men. Also fire everyone in HR and similar departments. After that step is done and we save an enormous chunk of money, do like the other anons said as their ideas are solid. I'm with >>149234487 here, the concept of kids befriending aliens is so stupidly easy to make into an appealing premise it's baffling how bad they fucked it up.

>>149230834
They all need a sob story so they can get special treatment. It's really that simple. I doubt it ever happened in the first place. Think about it: they don't get access to microwaves or anything to actually make a smell, a majority of their lunch would just be rice balls/little rice cylinders wrapped in seaweed, pickled veggies/kimchi, so gluten cakes, and maybe a small thing of shredded meat that may or may not have a light sweet glaze. It wouldn't smell like anything at all. They just invent that detail because it seems mean and like it would inspire shame. That's without even getting into that outside of kids who lived in like NYC or Los Angeles no one else would have even been able to get the ingredients to make these "traditional dishes." I would know, I eat a lot of Asian dishes and until I moved to one of those cities I never was able to find the ingredients for anything like that.

It also ignores the fact that 99% of kids just eat Hot Lunch at school, like they couldn't just do that? I went to school with some Asian kids they all had White names like Julia and just ate what everyone else ate.

>>149230244 (OP)
> Movie budget: $150-200 million
> Gross: $74 million
Oh, they're FUCKED, fucked. They haven't even made half their money back and that's not counting the movie theater's cut which means there's a chance they haven't even recouped a QUARTER of their money.

This is amazing. If it doesn't put them out of business this might be the slap in the face they need (doubt) to stop fucking around.

After this they have Hoppers and Toy Story 5. Jury is out on Hoppers but if it's more of the same it will probably flop and Toy Story 5, while it will probably make money 4 lost them a lot of goodwill and "Toy Story vs iPad" might not be a big draw for parents that give their kids iPads and kids that like iPads.

>>149236615
Hoppers is gonna be crap. TS5 will do okay numbers on name recognition, but not enough to make up for the flops.

>>149230244 (OP)
Things have degenerated hard enough this is a real quote, huh? The sheer arrogance of untalented child rapists.

>>149232250
Are you being facetious here? Cutthroat Island is the same principle he's discussing for Elio and Tentpole films in general. It cost $95-$115 million dollars. Compare that to some other movies released that year:
> Apollo 13 - $52 million
> Ace Ventura 2: $30 million
> Jumanji - $65 million
It even cost more than Batman Forever which came in at $100 million. And those were blockbusters with Big Name talent. This was more a middle of the road movie like John Carpenter's In The Mouth of Madness released the same year on a budget of $8 million.

>>149232800
Disney bought Pixar, Anon.

>>149232875
>>149232960
This previously wasn't a risk because the movies didn't have such big budgets. It's been talked about briefly here and there since COVID. I can't find the article at the moment but I remember reading one a couple years ago where an actor was saying he thought they should go back to smaller budget films because "Five big flops could bankrupt the entire movie industry."

>>149236615
>If it doesn't put them out of business
I fucking wish, but these types of companies seem to be able to afford putting out flop after flop. I really really REALLY hope I live to see the day this company actually produces such a spectacular failure that it leads to a real, urgent wake-up slap for the whole organization, but I honestly doubt it. A couple of years ago when parks were closed and their revenue stream disintegrated was probably the closest thing to a Gisnep collapse I'll ever see.

>>149230244 (OP)
im not coming to see gay spic pear-head steven universe-face slop you fucking nIGGER

>>149230244 (OP)
I don't buy this argument considering how popular Kpop demon hunters is currently. People still like original stuff, but not when it's safe and generic as shit.

>>149236615
>Movie budget: $150-200 million
Jesus, they could have made the equivalent of 3 Beauty and the Beasts with that budget, and that's after adjusting for inflation.
That's like a quarter of the Disney renaissance down the drain.

>>149230356
it only got better when it went international.
>>149231668
Yeh it was pretty good and had good songs, even if the story is kinda retarded

>>149236964
They basically remade it a second time and even lost a va.

>>149230244 (OP)
Stop making shitty stories and maybe I will consider watching the sequels

>>149230762
>a kid's book about a dung beetle that's embarrassed about eating literal shit for their school lunch
here's a link to the story time
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/149022756/#149022770

Seems like people are showing up for F1 at least.

>>149230305
/thread

>>149230244 (OP)
I'd rather support "KPop Demon Hunters" for being original than the latest slop from Pixar that all look the same.

>>149234043
Make Elio slightly psychotic. Have him want to blow shit up or something when he goes to the alien world, while his aunt and other humans try to make sure he doesn't fuck up everything by communicating with him

>>149231898
Palworld was made with about a 7 million dollar budget and has made nearly half a billion in lifetime sales alone. If this didn't wake the gaming industry up, I don't think anything will.
I think the movie/animation scene needs more wake up calls like that. Small budget things making big profits. Unfortunately the indie animation scene isn't nearly as big as the indie gaming scene. Games can upload themselves onto numerous platforms like Steam, Epic, Itch, and many more, and good games can become moderate successes off word of mouth alone. Animation doesn't exactly have that level of luxury; you could upload to streaming services but you're at their mercy by doing so, and you likely wouldn't profit very much by doing so either.

>>149236213
Seriously. Kids befriend just about anything has been a formula for years.
>kid befriends dog: Air bud
>kid befriends giant robot: Iron Giant
>kid befriends alien: Lilo and stitch, ET

Hell didn't dream works put out something like this a while back. I need to go look it up. Okay yeah they did it was called Home. And it came out in 2015. Everyone forgot it came out. But just as a quick synopsis it already sounds better than this shit.

>>149236941
>>149237211
KPDH had actual bite to it in terms of designs, animation, characters, and story (to an extent). It didn't play it safe and committed to a weird idea, and knew exactly what kind of audience it wanted. Plus it had amazing songs

>>149230244 (OP)
People don't want to pay to see some pedo's homoerotic child fantasy.

>>149237350
The west in general forgot that niche market exist.

It's general audience or nothing for these freaks.

Thinking about it, most movies that were blockbusters started as niche films that had a breakthrough through fans not shutting up about them.

It's kind of crazy Pixar hasn't made an actual solid movie for over a decade. The last honest to god classic was probably Wall-E (Up is just ok outside of the opening IMO)

>>149237452
A brand is nothing without the talent

>>149230244 (OP)
I only just watched the trailer for elio and it looked cute but just unappealing. It had no hook, nothing that made me say "oh yeah I want to know where this story goes".
I'm not gonna pay pixar/disney a premium for their original storytelling if those stories are just gonna be bland. I'll support more talented artists instead. Shit on fucking youtube is more interesting.
Also their artstyle is so sanitized and bland.
Also, disney needs to revisit their "only in theaters" model. They're being idealistic and it's gonna fuck up the revenue for their original productions.

>>149234043
O.K. here we go:

1/4

> Elliot Baxter (8 years old, blond hair, blue eyes) lives with his parents Jonathan and Sarah in an Alaskan seaside town. His Father is a crab fisherman and his Mother a homemaker. Sarah homeschools Elliot who spends his days playing in the woods, trying to fish from shore to be like his Dad, and pretending to fight “Alien invaders” in the woods. While his Dad is and his Mom use a Ham radio to contact his Dad on his boat to check in with him throughout the day with Elliot and his Dad having a fun “secret agent” type game they play while chatting over the radio. Elliot’s Dad has a crewman quit on him due to declining fishing returns leading to a stressful scene between the parents that’s largely kept from Elliot, though he knows something is wrong. Elliot’s Dad is forced to bring his wife with him out on the boat “just to steer” while he mans the nets for “the last big haul of the season.” Elliot is scared to stay home alone but keeps in contact with his parents over the Ham radio with them joking around with him and reassuring him throughout the day.
> Unfortunately, an unexpected storm causes trouble for his parents while out at sea, resulting in a conversation that grows increasingly frantic over the radio as his parents rush home until it goes radio silent. In a panic, Elliot rushes outside to look for his parents ship and sees them coming close to shore until a bright light from the sky blinds him. Once it ceases Elliot looks back out over the ocean and finds no trace of the boat leading to him screaming out over the roaring waves calling for his parents, until a piece of their hull washes ashore.
> We jump to a scene of Elliot curled up on a chair looking forlorn as a group of adults who appear to be at a memorial of sorts talk in hushed somber tones. Eventually, an old man who’s revealed to be Elliot’s grandfather approaches him, smiling at him sadly and telling him it’s all going to be O.K.

>>149237690
2/4

> We jump forward 4 years. Elliot is now 12 years old and lives with his Grandfather, Earl, who is a firewatcher deep within the Alaskan forest. Elliot spends his days running wild through the woods being a wild and free nature boy making his own fun and adventures and having a quaint, unconventional life with his grandfather. In his private moments, we see that Elliot still has his Ham radio and will turn it on and call out to his parents ship, asking if they copy.
> One day he unexpectedly runs into a girl his age, Ellie, (12 years old, blonde hair, blue eyes.) Who has just moved to the area with her parents for her Dad’s work. He’s a geologist. Elliot is awkward at meeting a girl for the first time in 4 years but quickly warms up to her, offering to show her around and the two quickly become fast friends playing pretend and going on forest adventures together, exploring, animal watching, scout activities, swimming, and taking turns playing “King of the Forest” complete with a fort they’ve built and a makeshift crown. One night, when Elliot is feeling sad and calling out to his parents he stumbles on a channel that Ellie is using and she responds to him, leading to the two talking and laughing together late into the night after they’re both supposed to be asleep.
> One night, while trying to contact Ellie, Elliot receives a strange interference on his radio. While trying to find a channel that works he hears a strange voice that repeats his message back to him from years ago as he tried to reach his parents (i.e. Baxter Baot, do you copy?) Looking outside Elliot sees a strange light in the distance that resembles the one he saw the night his parents disappeared and rushes outside to the woods to investigate.

>>149237709
3/5

> The investigation brings Elliot to the forest around the area where his and Ellie’s fort is and he encounters a strange, disturbing figure in the shadows, scaring him. Elliot runs away and is chased by the figure who is much faster than him, resulting in him having to hide in the fort. The figure begins attempting to break into the fort leading Elliot to decide it’s time to be brave and fight back. He puts the makeshift crown on and grabs a wooden toy sword and attacks the figure who screams and stumbles to the ground saying they surrender and asking for mercy. Shining his flashlight, Elliot sees that it’s a kooky looking alien and screams leading to the alien also screaming and a fun back and forth until they calm down. Elliot asks who the alien is and he says his name is Teralon and asks Elliot’s forgiveness for startling him and explains he is on a scouting mission. He then asks who Elliot is and thinking fast Elliot says he’s “The King of the Forest.” Teralon takes this at face value and asks Elliot to pardon him for trespassing in his kingdom. Elliot attempts to bluff and keep a strong demeanor saying he will look the other way this time, but only if he can explain what that strange light was and what he knows about the Baxter Boat. Teralon agrees and they’re suddenly engulfed in light as they’re beamed aboard an alien spaceship.

> Elliot comically freaks out as he’s surrounded by aliens and Teralon introduces him as the King of Earth. Elliot tries to correct him and say he’s the king of the forest but the aliens seem to think Earth is just a giant forest due to all the trees they can see from space and other comical misunderstandings about Earth.

>>149230244 (OP)
The ones complaining are hairy ass neckbeards and they are scared of watching the movies, since sitting there would make them look like the pedos they are.

>>149237720
4/6 (I was mistaken. Fuck this website increase the character limit.)

> After a wacky trailer worthy montage of Elliot seeing the inside of the ship and a bunch of random alien junk Elliot is brought to the ship’s commander, the stern Commander Gaxxler. After convincing Gaxxler that Elliot is the King of Earth/Forest he explains about his parents and the message. Commander Gaxxler tells Elliot that they received a distress call years ago and picked up two “refugees” and that his parents are back on their homeworld with amnesia and offers to let him talk to them. Placing a helmet on Elliot’s head he has an emotional video call with his parents who say they’re on their way back to him and to just sit tight and wait there. Gaxxler says the Teralon will keep him entertained and comfortable while he waits and sends the two off. After they leave it’s revealed that the helmet used Elliot’s memories to make a fake holograms of his parents who were among a series of humans Gaxxler has previously abducted to experiment on to make a mind control device that will enslave all of humanity. Gaxxler has gone rogue and is trying to enslave another planet to use as an army to conquer his homeworld with most of the ship being ignorant as to their true mission except for an evil scientist character. Gaxxler then uses the DNA sample from Elliot to make a clone of him that he sends down to Earth to begin spreading mind control seeds.

>>149237737
5/5 (never mind)

> Elliot and Teralon become friends and have fun on the ship while clone Elliot acts like a dick and causes tension with Ellie and Earl. Eventually Elliot discovers the truth and is imprisoned by Gaxxler under false pretenses. The clone Elliot is revealed back on Earth leading to it attacking Ellie and Earl. Teralon feels betrayed but after stumbling on Gaxxler’s true plan breaks Elliot out of the brig and steals an antidote to the mind control seeds and escapes with Elliot to Earth. The two save Ellie and Earl and after everyone gets on the same page Earl decides to use his crop duster for fighting forest fires to spread the antidote.

> Gaxxler activates the mind control seeds Ellie’s parents, some other assorted adults and/or animals get mind controlled and start attacking them. The grandpa takes off in his plane but the alien ship starts trying to shoot him down leading to Teralon convincing someone on the ship to beam he, Elliot, and Ellie back to the ship. Once on the ship they confront Gaxxler and reveal his plan to everyone, turning the ship against him, but Gaxxler reveals a giant robot suit and starts attacking everyone. They manage to stop the ship from firing on the grandpa and he successfully spreads the antidote, sacing their local community and then Gaxxler is defeated and imprisoned. Teralon is declared the ship’s new captain and says his goodbyes to Elliot and Ellie as he has to return to homeworld and have Gaxxler imprisoned. Elliot says he’ll miss him and to look him up if he’s ever in their solar system again. Elliot and Ellie are returned to Earth and Ellie kisses him on the cheek as the Sun comes up.
> They all live happily ever after possibly with a scene showing Elliot keeps in contact with Teralon via the Ham radio.

>>149230244 (OP)
No, because their idea of an "original story" is letting some faggot trauma dump, or tortured allegories about periods.
It's the typical corpo retardation where they don't know the product they're selling or what makes it appealing.

>>149236090
It's the dumb, talentless nepo babies and diversity hires (who often are also nepo babies) They truly believe their industry/company is a necessary natural resource like food or the water supply. I call it the "hospital effect" (i.e. how hospitals think they can charge whatever they want and treat you as badly as they want because at the end of the day you can either choose to go to the hospital or die.) They really think that it's so big and so integrated in everyone's lives that it's never going away and can't ever fail so you're just forced to always consume their product and deal with whatever they give you. This temper tantrum is because they don't like being confronted with reality.

>>149237452
>Pixar has officially been shit for longer than they've been good

The kid in Call Me By Your Name is named Elio too. Just saying

>>149237777
Nice quads also correct, we don't have good story tellers anymore.

The animators suck balls too.

>>149237452
I could maybe give them Inside Out, but otherwise I haven't felt that "Oh yeah, this is one of the greats" kind of vibe since maybe Finding Nemo or Incredibles.

>>149237946
We have god storytellers, they just aren't allowed to get work anymore because the industry exists to prop up talentless legacy hires and spread obnoxious propaganda

>>149237910
Toy Story - 1995
Up - 2009
Current Year (+ 10) - 2025

Damn you are right.

>>149237120
>scat and parasitic wasp fetishism
god dammit i hate this fucking place sometimes

>Completely overshadow this shit with Lilo and Stitch marketing
>Nobody goes to see it
hmmm

Elemental all over again.

>>149237977
Literally where?
The moment something leaves the print for animator someone thinks they know better and ruin it.

>>149230834
>sauerkraut
Always wanted to try it

>>149238154
They're just working regular jobs because they can't get work. They've literally iced out of the industry. You can't get a job in the industry unless you already know someone and even then it usually requires spending tens of thousands of dollars and jumping through endless hoops to prove you're not a poor and can be let in the club.

>>149230244 (OP)
Make a good story, then.
I am the customer, and it's your job to please me. If you want my money, you're going to have to dance for it.
That's the magic of the free market; it's not my job to buy your product, it's your job to appeal to me.

>>149230377
>>149230891
Women and girls love Else you are so addicted to this place you think pervy men are the majority audience of disney, fucking mentally insane and delusional. Girls like cute things, liking cuteness is a significant overlap they share with most of the population, no one likes this visual insult.

>>149234246
I've got one idea.
Hear me out: Make it more like The Last Starfighter.
Elio must pilot a state-of-the-art spaceship to fight against a hostile alien race, but eventually he learns they're misguided. The war ends in diplomacy, admittedly after he's blown up dozens of their ships.
The final battle has him versus the tyrannical evil ruler in his own super-fighter as the evil ruler prepares to unleash his Death Star. Their fighters are destroyed, but Elio's friends pull him to safety and the evil ruler dies in the blast.
So sort of a fast-forward version of Gundam.

>>149237959
>I could maybe give them Inside Out,
I don't know, none of the characters really stood out and I felt like a lot of the set pieces were boring as hell

>>149234246
>For the sake of argument, let's stipulate that you cannot spend the budget on other things, you still have to make a Pixar animated movie with the same elevator pitch as Elio (a weird kid gets abducted by aliens who mistake him for the ambassador of planet Earth).

Given that Elio is basically a lame and gay rip-off of Have Space Suit - Will Travel, I would just do a better adaptation of the same story.

Boom, done.

>>149234487
Because they don't introduce Glordon until nearly 45 minutes into the movie. Imagine Woody and Buzz not meeting until the end of the second act.

>>149230244 (OP)
if pixar had any balls, and since they work for disney, they would do rated R shit like x-men Age of apocalypse. bonus points if they depict apocalypse killing the avengers in a way that makes sense

Fuck Elio, I'd rather watch super zombie rip people's head off.

>>149237452
>>149238006
I would argue that Coco was fantastic and TS3 was also breddy gud, but otherwise yeah they've been somewhere between "it's shit" and "it was okay, I guess" for ~15 years. Pretty grim.

You know what the really hilarious irony of it all is, though? Coco, an outstanding film in the midst of a sea of mediocrity, and which both made a tidy profit and was extremely well-received by critics, is literally the least diverse film that they have ever made. Everyone is Mexican, all of the characters but one are part of the same family and even the villain is from the same town. The schadenfreude just deepens with every passing year.

>>149230244 (OP)
>>149236941
>>149237211
>>149237350
TAKE DOWN
TAKE DOWN
TAKE DOWN, DOWN. DOWN, DOWN
HUNTRIX GIRLS TO THE WORLD
GET THIS FAGGOT OFF THE STAGE

>>149239508
>I would argue that Coco was fantastic
I don't know, I liked parts of it but once they went to the land of the dead I kind of stopped caring. Feels like Inside out in terms of quality

>>149237452
You can mark the exact moment Lasseter and Steve Jobs influences left this studio.

>>149238203
What's stopping you? They sell it at basically every grocer.

>>149237452
I like MU

>>149238459
> That's the magic of the free market; it's not my job to buy your product, it's your job to appeal to me.
I really beleive they're unironically going to try to pass a law that makes it illegal not to buy their slop. California is already trying to implement a subsidy tax for their animated crap on top of the fact that they can just steal endless tax dollars with their write offs.

>>149238944
Fair.

>>149230244 (OP)
How did Elio get a fucking A on Cinemascore? It was such a mediocre movie.

>>149230377
nigga go on insta or TikTok, Even normes are saying the art style sucks

>>149230891
>Anon, /co/ is a beacon of ego-free critical thinking, good taste and sophisticated visual literacy, cerebral understanding of media demographics, and healthy adult relationship experience.
Yeah I can tell you exactly what I don't want to see and elio is easily something that looks like a pile of shit.

>>149239718
All critic reviews are bought and paid for. This has already been known forever:
https://www.wired.com/story/paid-reviews-books-movies-gadgets/
>>149239608

>>149230305
FUCK CALARTS

>>149230244 (OP)
I dorm support Gay Woke propaganda made by Commiefornia

Disney needs to stop approaching gays and queer women, 2 groups that define their whole lives by their sexuality, to direct films for KIDS.

>>149230305
Nice opinion. I know the youtube vid that you got it from.

>>149230244 (OP)
Let me clarify on behalf of everyone: make good original stories that don't look lame.

>>149239508
Toy Story 3 gets worse the more I think about it. It just didn't need to be made. Arguably, TS2 didn't really need to be made either.

>>149239344
>bonus points if they depict apocalypse killing the avengers in a way that makes sense
Challenge Rating: Impossible

Since when have the profits of a company became the responsibility of the consumer?

>>149230244 (OP)
Maybe Pixar has to consider the possibility that a portion of the public couches their distaste for these movies in some kind of socially acceptable criticism. Perhaps some feelings that are deeply rooted in people cannot be honestly shared online, because big companies like Disney would silence them. Perhaps whatever those feelings are, or however polite society labels them, they guide audiences and their wallets. Pixar can choose to acknowledge those feelings or not, but they cannot change the consequences.
To be blunt. Pixar is out of step ideologically and creatively with the masses, who are under no obligation to support those films, or even to give an honest answer as to why. It's their job to figure it out. They, and Hollywood in general, simply don't want to.

>>149230244 (OP)
>Autistics who got fixated on Elio were parroting OP's image's quote for the last couple of weeks
>Pixar outright says it themselves
>Around the same time it was revealed all the gay stuff got cut/rewritten
>Aforementioned autistics are no longer wanting to support the movie because homophobia and naggy marketing
i, for one, love the movie even more in the wake of this reveal; however, the drama is better.

>>149234043
make the movie aimed at children instead of disney adults and social justice warriors. which means adding fart noises, slap stick humor, and loud noises. shit kids like

>>149230244 (OP)
I don’t know why like every new Disney movie is either a bunch of amorphous rainbow blobs or some shit about a Mexican kid. What happened to talking cars and living toys? All we get is Mexicans now and every movie seems the same

>>149241933
Well this company is different, this company is your friend! No actually, they're like FAMILY. They literally created your frickin childhood dude, you OWE it to them to show some support!
Now you know that I am joking but you probably also know that there are actual, real people who think like this. I'm just surprised to see it coming directly from the company's social media instead of Disney adults or actual children. Someone on the social media team either didn't get the memo not to say the quiet part loud or they just don't give a fuck anymore, I'll go for the latter because the post hasn't been deleted after a couple of days

>>149230244 (OP)
Make movies that a non-autistic straight white adult male can enjoy again and I'll consider supporting your original stories.

>>149230244 (OP)
>original stories

No. This is not an original story, it's the same fucking childish bullshit story you always see in kid's media these days. What you meant to say was "original IP". Because the story here sure as fuck isn't original. All you did was borrow a bunch of ideas from other contemporary kids shit and mesh them all together. You even have the dumb star from the Mario movie in there, Christ.

Original story. Eat my ass.

>>149230244 (OP)
This is arguably worse than that Clod marketing they tried for Elements

>>149242597
I mean Anon a wise old cartoonist said that studios with no creativity recycle the same 7 stories over and over again.

>>149238459
You know the weird thing, they could easily have their trauma cake and eat it too.
If anything, I associate Pixar with an advantage of being more willing to use more disgruntled adult protagonists.
Stephen King was huge with early zoomers in the late 2010s.
Just make like, a kid friendly version of a Stephen King horror story starring estranged siblings. Their parents were archaeologists and got obsessed with some kind of Lovecraftian thing, neglecting their kids as a result. Now parents are dead, Lovecraftian thing is loose, protagonists have to confront childhood trauma and how its effected their lives.
Boom. You can write all the semi-autobiographical shit you want about your childhood trauma while giving us relatable adult characters and a fun little kid-friendly horror comedy.
I think that's a huge part of what crippled Elio. It was just another wide-eyed "relatable Disney kid movie" with absolutely nothing that would draw adults in. So you not only lost the kids but the parents, guardians, and caretakers who would have typically taken them to see it didn't care enough to suggest it.

>>149230244 (OP)
No. Disney is NEVER right.

>>149231654
It just goes to show how little brain cells those people have. James Rolfe is probably one of the most chill content creators in existence (ironic considering his AVGN character). I understand not enjoying his content, but I have no idea how anyone can hate this man. I mean I understand that none of the people throwing shade at him even watched his explanation video, much less any of his other videos, but it's still sad to see.

>>149230244 (OP)
Stop making them look so fucking lame and boring then.

>>149230244 (OP)
Does guilting and shaming audiences to see movies ever work?

>>149241818
TS3 was a perfect ending. It's toy story 4 that was a needless cashgrab

>>149236201
Can you see anyone at home thinking "I'll watch the gay brown boy go to space"?

>>149241845
apocalypse could easily kill captain america, black widow and hawkeye no problem. apocalypse and iron man might be evenly matched if it weren't for the fact that apocalypse is more durable and would either wear iron man down or bust his armor open. with the help of henchmen

iirc, bruce banner was separated and his access to hulk was diminished in the AoA timeline but i don't remember how

also don't forget in AoA timeline most of the planet is nuked, so any of these people could have been taken out by nukes

thor is unaccounted for, however in many alternate timelines, asgardians as a whole aren't accounted for

>>149230306
This

>>149237452
Coco was the last truly great Pixar film, that was made in 2017 so within the last decade.

The Incredibles 2 was fine but I don't actually remember much about it, as compared to the ton of memorable beats of the first film.
Toy Story 4 I've not watched but heard shit about it betraying the trilogy.
Onward and Soul didn't look like something I wanted to watch, Luca and Turning Red even moreso with their art style.

>>149245717
Is Coco actually good? I never watched it because they MC is so ugly and I didn't like how Disney tried to trademark dio de los muertos. For me, Elemental was genuinely good, I went in expecting to hate it too.

>>149245777
No one's watched it so the few people that did can easily lie about its quality.

>>149230244 (OP)

We made garbage but support our garbage or we'll be forced to make more garbage.

>>149237683
>Also, disney needs to revisit their "only in theaters" model.
This right here is definitely what my mind went to after reading about Elio's test audience showing no interest in watching the film in theaters. We've all been programmed in recent years to expect a new movie to quickly make the jump to streaming, so it's no surprise that one of the blandest-looking Pixar films would be viewed the same way.

>>149245777
It's okay, some of the visuals are nice the skeletons look a bit funky with the eyeballs, some of the songs are nice. The movie also plays up some of those really tropey telenovela and old cinema tropes.
>>149245857
If he liked Elemental he'd probably like it honestly, if no one watched it would've an Elio-tier failure.

>>149245617
I meant more along the lines that if they do it, it won't be entertaining.

>>149230244 (OP)
I want original stories, but I don't want bad ones either. Pixar dug its own grave, now it has to lay in it while we pile on the dirt.

This feels like a hostage negation
>"see the slop or the kino gets it"

>>149246103
Why didn't you post the other one...

>>149246123
That's how it always is. First with 2D movies and now with original movies. You just can't GUILT-TRIP people into watching something. Either they themselves are interested, or they aren't. Folks keep saying Disney "didn't advertise Elio enough," but the reality of it is that the film just didn't catch the interest of the average moviegoer.

Even as someone who wanted to see it because I like all three directors' previous works, there was very little about Elio itself that made it seem like a must-see.

>>149246123
>hostage
This also reminds me, part of the reason the film felt so small despite the 98-minute run time was because all the best jokes were spoiled in the trailers and promos. So once again, I don't wanna hear ANYONE claim the film "wasn't advertised."

>>149241818
Maybe agree with Toy Story 3, but Toy Story 2 at least advanced the main characters and posed some new questions. Buzz has to learn to lead without Woody, and Woody has to decide between becoming immortal but never feeling genuine love again, or accepting mortality and enjoying the feelings that it brings. While I think historically Toy Story 1 is the more important and impressive film, I think Toy Story 2 is the better one. I love both, though. I think at the time of making Toy Story 1, Pixar had more PhD's working in their studio than any other movie studio. It was this great merging of science and art, and too many people write off all the technical hurdles they had to overcome in the early days.

>>149246526
Holy fuck, whoever made that poster has no fucking clue what brevity means.
Also, what the fuck is up with that last sentence?

>>149230244 (OP)
>you have to eat out shit or we'll stop shitting and then you won't get any shit to eat!
Your terms are acceptable. Stop shitting.

>>149246123
You can't hold something hostage when you haven't made kino in over 15 years.

>>149246596
They're getting desperate, anon. ANYTHING to get butts into seats.

Elio isn't even original so they are already failing at that.

>>149230244 (OP)
I show up as soon as they stop making garbage. The animation industry needs to die

>>149237452
Cancelling Newt was the moment it all started going downhill.

>>149246526
>>149246596

>>149246854
good job

>>149234043
Have the aliens colonize the planet in secret and test Elio's loyalty on whether he saves the planet that hates him or side with the aliens that understand him.

>>149247150
I like that idea. This movie didn't feel like it had strong enough stakes. I was expecting a bigger conflict between Grigon and Earth what with the military base having such prominence.

>>149234043
>Since /co/ thinks it's so clever, let's see you prove it.
>Pitch how you would "fix" Elio.
Why would /co/ need to fix Elio instead of just making another, better movie? What cosmic force demands the existence of Elio?

>>149235077
So Valerian ?

>>149234246
>(a weird kid gets abducted by aliens who mistake him for the ambassador of planet Earth)
See the thing is I swear I've heard of a movie with the same concept but I can't think of what it is. Maybe Leader Dog?

>>149234043
>Threatening vilain
>Real stakes
>Dangerous situations
>Character get hurt
>Character must confront trouble and find solutions on his own
You know, adventure. The way we've been wrting it these last 50 years.

>>149230834
It's because their lives are really fucking boring and they haven't experienced anything noteworthy that would warrant writing a story about it.
They're spoiled, dull, and sheltered individuals with nothing to offer the world. But have a misplaced sense of self-importance anyways. That's why their writing is so shit.

>>149234043
Kill the dead parents idea, have him be hyper focused on aliens and rambunctious and he gets in trouble because of it, his parents (aren't terrible but tired) decide that maybe boarding school would be best for him. He goes to there doesn't fit it, but does get abducted by aliens. Keeping the idea that the aliens think he is a rep of Earth. I'd keep him befriending an alien kid. Aliens like him more than people do. There's a big villain he's evil because he's evil, no twist villain either. He's going to destroy Earth and other planets. The boy has to get the aliens to work together and stop the villain. Dramatic part of the movie, but no third act break up even when the aliens find out he's not the rep from Earth they were looking for. Fake out death. He wins villain defeated.

Make boy red-headed with shaggy hair, same outfit, but shorter shorts. Make the alien kid interesting. Make some great alien designs for marketable toys and other merch.

>>149246854
cute besties

>>149234153

Based

>>149247716
my favorite lost media nicktoon
I like the episode where he takes a giant shit and they worship it.

>>149247997
bro looks malnourished

>>149246596
its saying that being a bargaining chip is an upgrade over disappointment/enigma/headache. its a whole thing in the movie, glordon happily lets elio hold him hostage because hes kind of a dumbass.

>>149244151
Elio should have been an adult. Same basic background, but he's an isolated, kind of weird in a shut-in way, SETI researcher. His abduction is because he's been sending messages out into space for years and the aliens think he's the guy in charge of Earth's first contact.

>>149230895
Raya needed to be at least two movies, or a trio like it was originally envisioned at Disneytoon studios

>>149245617
Your biggest problem is that in AoA, despite the Avengers not existing and most of the X-Men under his command, Apocalypse doesn't even rule the planet.

>>149230244 (OP)
Disney should go bankrupt
That's what I think

>>149241933
When they put spoiled brats in charge who doing know how to do anything so now they're stopping they're feet and screeching throwing a temper tantrum.

>>149247915
I could kind of work with this. How about:
>boarding school
The alien containment should be a fantastical boarding school IN SPACE for irony points.
>mega evil villain
Total melodramatic shithead who sees running a UFO as a punishment and takes it out on the kids.

>>149242314
People just really need to get over this idea they movies are about social engineering or making a statement and just tell good stories.

You have no reason to believe me, but I've loved in L.A. trying to make it as a screenwriter. I've met numerous aspiring or working screenwriters and they always ask the same thing: "What kind of stories do you want to tell? What kind of statement/change do you want to make with them?" and whenever I've said: "I just want to make ENTERTAINING stories. Y'know, the kind that when you leave the theater go: 'Wow, that was a good one!" they always, with 100% certainly respond with: "Y'know, it's never really crossed my mind that the story should be entertaining." with complete sincerity, no sarcasm at all.

They all think it's just an excuse for social posturing and engineering. They don't understand the concept of storytelling as an entertainment medium.

>>149242466
Kek could you imagine? They'd unironically complain about it being "too kiddy" without a hint of self awareness.

>>149242597
This is too big brained for nepo babies to possibly fathom

>>149243889
I'm so glad I don't have cable and use ad blockers I never have to see this creep

>>149245521
Meh. It pulled at the heartstrings but I think it was better to imagine Andy would just grow up and give the toys to his kids one day. Or just not think about that part at all. Overall I enjoy TS 1 & 2 more than 3

>>149242597
Seriously. I couldn't tell you how many times I've seen a movie about a kid befriending [insert something here.] I've seen kid befriends dog, I've seen kid befriends alien, kid befriends monsters, kid befriends dinosaur, kid befriends space ship, kid befriends Chuck Norris. It's all been done.

>>149230244 (OP)
>Should we support Elio so Disney will keep making original films?
Just because it's a original film doesn't mean it's not a shitty film. I refuse to support shitty films period.

>>149245777
It was okay but Book of Life was better. But personally if I wanted to get something that was based on Mexican afterlife I'd just as soon replay Grim Fandango. Comprende?

>>149248807
It's the Michael Eisner philosophy - the job of the entertainment industry isn't to make art, to make history, or to make statements - it's to make money, and it makes money by making entertainment that people pay for. If you strive to make interesting, original, and entertaining ideas you will make money and if you happen to make art, history, or a statement in the process that's excellent, but you should never go into a project with *that* as the main goal. If you look at all the classic early Pixar movies they're all very simple high concept ideas that lend themselves to very entertaining things happening, and any messages or statements that the movies happen to make just come out of the natural construction of a narrative and thematic throughline around those underlying ideas.

Modern Pixar movies put the 'message' or 'history' of the movie first and everything else is just secondary, and that's not how you make entertaining, successful, or impactful movies.

>>149248788
I like it, love a good hammy melodramatic villain.

>>149248978
Exactly! Do you know of any resources where Eisner talked more about his storytelling philosophy, by chance?

>>149236941
Turns out if you make a decent story with reasonably appealing character designs people will see it.

>>149242597
>>149248905
Even in the realm of things that have been done before, I don't mind a good spin on an old classic, and "boy meets X and goes on an adventure" is definitely an old classic. Making it all the more impressive how hard they shit the bed with this one, you have to put in special effort to make that tried-and-true premise so uninteresting that nobody even bothers to go see it

>>149249016
yeah i like it too

>>149248929
basado

>>149230244 (OP)
So this is the smug cunt that Pixar is using to everyone to see this movie. She isn't even a Paxar/Disney employee, she's a fucking ticktoker who posts videos about new kinds of hot dogs being sold at the Magic Kingdom.

>>149248707
rude

>>149230244 (OP)
>>149251673
>NO DISNEY

>THAT'S JUST GONNA GET PEOPLE ANNOYED AFTER ONLY BEING DISINTERESTED BEFORE

>DISNEY, DISNEYYYYYY

>>149230244 (OP)
Allow me clarify:
We want GOOD original films

>>149230305
Luca was nice to look at overall, though
>>149230377
>No underage girl to sexualize
>Turning Red
Wow you haven't been here very long huh
>>149230895
Flow is an artsy one-off that can't be replicated. Do the same thing and you'll just be making a soulless rip-off. They should actually be looking to animated movies made on the cheap. Paw Patrol movies are made for like $26M and look as good as Illumination movies. Animate for that budget but with scripts made for older kids and you'll be golden.

>>149252645
> Flow is an artsy one-off that can't be replicated. Do the same thing and you'll just be making a soulless rip-off.
Oh, Anon. You're going to just love what they announced they're doing an American remake of.

>>149252612
Ohhhhhhh, NOW I get it

>>149252612
yeah, and cater to straight males

>>149230244 (OP)
>Is Disney right?
No, anime has like a hundred new IPs every year and they're still in business.
>>149230290
this

>>149241707
>I know the youtube vid that you got it from.
That's a literal Reddit meme, only Zoomer takes his opinions from YouTubers.

>>149230244 (OP)
>Make shit movie
>It's everyone elses fault
Too many fucking narcissists in charge

>>149252645
>Flow is an artsy one-off that can't be replicated. Do the same thing and you'll just be making a soulless rip-off. They should actually be looking to animated movies made on the cheap. Paw Patrol movies are made for like $26M and look as good as Illumination movies. Animate for that budget but with scripts made for older kids and you'll be golden.
The director of Luca is making a Pixar movie that's ripping off Flow called Gatto, about a black cat who wants to be an artist. The director claims he was working on this for years, but it was only announced after Flow won an academy award.

>>149253062
Not true, I know plenty of millenials whose entire personalities are parroting the opinions and jokes of youtubers, John Oliver, and their favorite sports pundits. Water cooler talk at the office is just people repeating and acting out last night's Sportscenter segment.

>>149253054
>liking tranime
ever heard of "those who live in glass houses," anon?

>>149254313
I thought it was about a cat in Italy indebted to the local cat mafia or something

>>149236941
Strange decision not to release this in the theatres considering how viral the whole thing is now. Another Sony missed opportunity ?

>>149230244 (OP)
Compare this shit to Encanto, Encanto was completely original, Looked amazing, Showcased a culture, and everyone liked it. This however looks like a grubhub ad and the lead character was designed by a weird faggot who clearly wanted to have the first gay male child protagonist but was told no at the last second

>>149254787
Bro these numbers aren't even good by even Kpop standards, all the music should've at least gotten 10 mil to 20 mil each.

>>149254945
Now every Disney MC acts like the quirkchungus MC from Encanto, even the boys.

>>149241707
>you can't form opinions on new information

Let me guess your world views came from your parents, public education and friends?

Stop making them woke.
We love reusing the same exact stories and pre existing properties, anyone who says they don't is lying, we also love fully original stories.
But if you keep putting gays and non whites in them of course NO ONE wants to see them.
We need all white all straight casts.

>>149230356
It struggled to get there though. Its opening weekend was bad and it seemed like it would flop until South Kore almost single-handedly saved it. I think Japan really liked it too, but I can't remember.

American media landscape is like post-apocalyptic science fiction. The only thing that works is the lost technology of the Ancients (Nostalgia-baiting) but it has diminishing results because nobody knows how it works anymore and just rely on cargo-culting it through. An attempt to create something new is even worse.

>>149245338
The funniest thing too is his video was incredibly mild. All he said was "I won't do a review of it because it doesn't look good and the trailer didn't convince me"

>>149230244 (OP)
Stop complaining that you spent all your credibility on countless, unnecessary sequels and uninspired, gutless writing. No one wants to see Toy Story 7, but you'll make it, you spent whore. You'll make it. I give you 10 years.

>>149256235
I stand by the fact that Elemental is actually a good movie. Yes the race-mixing and immigration allegory is clear as day, but strictly as a rom com with interesting visuals, it's very enjoyable and a lot of the comedy works. I thought it would be retarded and preachy but it wasn't. The 2D animation style at the end credits was also nice. It also features the last heterosexual romantic relationship Disney will ever give us ever again.

The problem is the story is a romantic comedy aimed at adults. There's absolutely nothing about it that the average kid would like or relate to. There was no way to market this successfuly, Pixar needs to be extremely grateful to South Korean audiences glomming on to it because otherwise it would have flopped harder than Elio.

>>149257185
I also thought Wade would be a beta bitch, but I actually liked the character. Ember and her family were also funny.

>>149254313
>GATO
Pixar is not dying. It is long dead.

I haven't seen Elio but every time someone describes it, it sounds like a shitty version of Lilo and Stitch.

>>149257277
.

>>149254332
Nta but there are like 3/4 anime movies that I am looking forward this summer. Keep sucking disney's cock but it won't do you any good.

>>149257240
How is the title any different than UP or Ratatouille?
>>149257185
>The problem is the story is a romantic comedy aimed at adults. There's absolutely nothing about it that the average kid would like or relate to
My little brother liked it for some reason lol

>>149257764
>My little brother liked it for some reason lol
You know why

>>149242396
>I love Elio now out of spite against the people I share a website with 16 hours of the gay, also because I'm a homosexual pedophile
ebin

>>149257764
>How is the title any different than UP or Ratatouille?
UP is just vague enough that it can be anything (and honestly the best in the lines of 1 word titles), Ratatouille is exotic enough, and most people never actually ate it. GATO is braindead generic.

>>149246082
hmm... well it would be more entertaining that some other things pixar has done, i can tell you that much

>>149248630
correct. because it was nuked. genocide of billions. you're right. there's not much to rule if you murder all the weakest organisms. it's called survival of the fittest by apocalypse for that reason

>>149230244 (OP)
Honestly I don't go watch remakes either, so I'll end up not watching Di*ney at all how 'bout that, the streak of poopeedoodoo movies coming from the mouse has made me realize that I don't need it

>>149257911
KEK could be anon, could be.

>>149230244 (OP)
Lonely kid befriends an alien isn't original, especially not when it immediately follows a Lilo and Stitch remake to remind everyone of that.

>>149258184
It's liberating to realize that in all branches of entertainment, there is a lifetime's worth of old shit you likely haven't gotten to yet, to the point where you could never pay attention to any new releases again and still never get bored.

>>149257185
Elemental is fine, nice even. When I saw it I understood why the trailers were so bad, the movie is so sincerely a romcom there isn't that much humor in the film that wouldn't spoil a romance scene. I think Pixar thought the visuals and worldbuilding would be enough to carry the story for kids.

>>149254787
maybe a sequel will be theatrical

>>149247841
Most people live boring lives, boring is peaceful, boring is good. Which is why 'write what you know' is such poisonous advice.

>>149254313
>Title: Cat
All respect I had for this director thanks to Luca disappear instantly.

Why is the decision between "bad original stories" and "bad sequels"?
Can't they just make good movies?

>>149231654
these are the types of people who get mad when you ask them why god needs a starship.

"Originality" is an illusion. Pixar and Disney would never stray outside of what they've been doing for 30-years, AND audiences would not accept it, either.

What's the fucking point of making a gay shota if his design is unappealing anyway? You'd think that with all the supposed gayfag employees and the gay pandering subtext the film was supposed to have at least one person would pitch an idea a protag who, I dunno, would potentially be someone's first gay crush. Is it because that would require making a sporty and brawny boy rather than a sissy faggot?

>>149259297
A visually appealing sissy faggot probably still would have done the trick. But if they had gone all out on that angle, they should've picked a character design style that actually appeals to people and doesn't look like a high-budget pharmacy ad

>>149258440
Yeah, I think if they leaned more into lonely kid runs away from his problems only to find out he can't just do that after biting off more than he can chew would've been better.
>>149259016
Would it have been better if it was Nero or something? I believe it's the cat's name

>>149257185
It's fine. The problem is that it lacks a cohesive story and is really 3 B-plots happening rather than any overarching story. Sure, they are all related in a way that flows correctly, but you can't really explain the plot of the movie as there really isn't one.

I can see why it opened low, because the premise was nonexistent and marketing had nothing to really hook people with.

The movie really needed to lean into its themes more, because everything just feels so muted. It doesn't say something. It just kinda mutters under its breath instead.

Why does a movie have to cost $200 fucking million dollars? And that's not even with the marketing included. If they could make Elio a $50 million film then they'd already be making a profit.

>>149259545
They had to rebuild the movie from the ground up when it was mere months away from releasing. Had to delay it a whole year and everything

>>149230244 (OP)
I hate it when people make some trash that flops because it has zero appeal and then blame the audience. People watch shitty sequels or remakes because they hold the vestiges of something original that they actually liked. What does it say about your hot new garbage if you can't even compete with the diminished echoes of the past?

>>149259542
If Elemental leaned into its themes harder, the audience would choke on the racial allegories. It's already just barely getting away with it.

It's not our fault, it's the normies fault that Elio did bad

>>149259597
God, I hate looking at their butternut squash faces

>>149259620
No, it's definitely my fault. I didn't watch it in theaters. I'm sorry, Eliobros...

>>149259597
It's insane honestly, it's kind of impressive how much they changed and got done.

>>149230244 (OP)
I blame the fags that keep parroting the line that they
"support animation" but they won't watch Space Jam 2 but shill for Coyote vs Acme.
there's also the retards that screech about "beanmouths" but they don't matter to anyone.

>>149259616
Hey, they're the ones that insists it should be there. Ember and Wade go on a date? How about some dirty looks or something? Maybe a confrontation or two? There's none of that. All the racism the fires experience is actually logical, so they're muddying their own message.

>>149259597
Between them flubbing their centennial celebration and all the BS I hear about this I flat out don't think anyone here knows how to make movies anymore.

>>149259696
I mean, that's just how racial allegories go a lot of the time. It's super easy to either make the allegory so blunt that it just comes off as crude or to accidentally make the bigotry legitimate in trying to make the audience comprehend it.

>>149230244 (OP)
Every time a billion dollar corporation tuts its finger at me, I simply don't give them money. Fuck you. You're here to cater to ME. You frustrated that you're not making as much money suddenly? Do better, and make better material that appeals to ME. That's what you're here for. Sit down. Be humble.

>>149259641
Personally I thought Olga looked kinda hot when her hair was all messy, but I still doubt she has the makings of FOTM material. She needed to be Nani-levels of hot in order for this film to get free advertising via fanart

I'm still baffled that it took Pixar 30 years to make a drastically different style for their movies.'

If they weren't so autistically obsessed with making their stuff as realistic as possible with CG. The Incredibles could have been a lot more groundbreaking if they went with the spiderverse style.
And we would have got more CG movies in that style after 2004

>>149259899
I love K dot

>>149260372
>the spiderverse style
Please don't ever say this again

>>149260278
she cute~

>>149230377
>Nah, the "ugly as shit" bit is just /co/'s general rationalized narrative
So then why didn't general audiences go to see it? Audiences don't go to films on their opening weekend based on whether or not the story is good because they can't possibly know that, until after the opening weekend.

>>149259696
The waters give the fires microaggressions, bur at the same time isn't it justified if they literally burn shit down whenever they get mad? The fire people are all walking potential liabilities.

>>149260410
I swear to god, Spideer-verse has been an absolute cancer in how it tricked zoomtard idiots into think this cheap plot, weak script, moronic character cess pit of a film was good because it had "style"

>>149260522
They sold plain steak with sizzle and garnish

>>149260545
Except a plain steak is still meaty. This is like dressing up an frozen chicken cutlet as rich parmesan because you covered it in sauce and cheese

>>149260372
Apparently picrel isn't even concept art but rather a still from fully animated test footage, I'm real interested in learning more about what the whole thing should look like and how they went about achieving it

>>149259715
Wish was such an embarrassment, I'm worried the people who worked on it weren't even aware that the film they were making was a disaster

>>149260605
Interesting

>>149254945
Latino families hate fags. Why would anyone think they would watch this shit? Probably some fag.

>>149230305
Turning Red was kino, though. at least the animation. The story was shit and it was pretty much "secondhand embarrassment: the animated film"

No one ever mentions that his eyepatch looks like a black eye bruise. No family os going to watch a movie where the main child character has obvious signs of abuse.

>>149254332
> tranime
You're a Redditor

>>149245717
The Incredibles 2 is the worst movie I've ever seen in theaters, never before has a movie tried to make me go blind and kill me.

>>149246123
because it is

>>149260372
>I'm still baffled that it took Pixar 30 years to make a drastically different style for their movies.'
They just forgot how Disney used to make things. Disney used to look at children's books to look for more stylized approaches. Example the stylish look of Sleeping Beauty was inspired by a children's book to a point they hired the creator of that book as an art consultant, basically teaching the artists to draw in her style.

In other words old Disney drew inspiration from sources outside of Disney. Nu-Disney and Pixar just copy their own styles or resort to generic looks to play it safe.

>>149254313
Totally believable. Dude works on a pitch, gets turned down, some film about a cat wins an Oscar and suddenly execs are clamoring for films about cats so he dusts off the pitch.

>>149230244 (OP)
No it’s fair to ask for good content, original isn’t enough. I could write a story about a sentient ham sandwhich that learns how to code to save a museum from losing there Egyptian wing from Starbucks. That’s original but dosen’t mean it’s good.

>>149253036
>>149253052
Don't worry, Pixar has just the thing

>>149230356
Elemental had to flood marketing post-release just to break even in Asia. It wasn't a box office success in its theatrical release - would have needed to break the 600mil mark because of a bloated budget.

>>149230244 (OP)
>>149261862
The problem is the appeal. Sequels, prequels, and the like can get by on name recognition, but it's not a guarantee. With original content, you need to give a reason for people to want to spend $20 to see it on the big screen. Pixar is doing some great stories, but they're all down-to-earth (ironic for Elio) slice-of-life tales with low stakes. If you want people to come out to the cinema, give them something that's worth coming out like a fire-breathing dragon or a volcano that destroys the island. The scope needs to be big and what is presented on screen needs to be bigger. Go big or go home. And big doesn't bring people out of the story is weak. The story should impress, make people want to slay the dragon. It needs to satisfy.

>>149230244 (OP)
Ahh excuse me we specifically want GOOD original stories, not shit ones

>>149260522
It was fun. People generally enjoy fun, and react negatively when faggots show up to try and explain to them that they should stop having fun because they're having fun "the wrong way".

>>149230244 (OP)
Any /ss/ with Elio and his aunt yet? That's all anyone has left to care about from this get real

>>149262635
It was jangling keys. Fun is a nonsense compliment when idiots can't actually find anything praise worthy in the moronic crap they consume.

>>149230244 (OP)
it's not our fault they suck

>>149230377
It does look like shit because they are clearly not taking any risks with the character designs. This makes the characters look like they’re from another movie, which makes them forgettable

>>149230244 (OP)
Nah I’d rather watch the company crash and burn atp.

>>149254332
Anime website. Who let you out of plebbit, faggot?

>>149264044
>anime website
>in 2025
Dialate

>>149264044 #
>anime website
>in 2025
Dilate

I saw this today I thought it was pretty good. I liked the little worm kid

>>149230244 (OP)
no, even though they're original they suck, I'd bet Elio was a.i generated and the a.i probably copied off of another story like it did with kung fu panda 4

>>149264171
I like it but ironically found the Earth stuff more interesting

>>149254313
>The director of Luca is making a Pixar movie that's ripping off Flow called Gatto, about a black cat who wants to be an artist
If the only similarity is that it stars a black cat then that isn't exactly a rip-off

>>149264422
Oh, so they're not gonna pull another Newt this time?