Thread 149234340

>Greg Weisman makes a classic Disney show. Memorable characters and surprisingly great quality with good writing, despite being a kids' show in the 90s

>Greg makes another banger with Young Justice S1-S2,

>Fast forward to YJ S3-S4, and almost everything feels like a mess. Characters acting out of character. characters randomly being gay despite not showing signs of that before. Shoving and forcing identity politics in a godamn superhero show. The writing was just all over the place.

>Greg crashes out and tells people to kick rocks with the issue of the show, mainly the politics.

>Unsurprisingly, the show gets canc- I mean, "not picked up" by WB.


How did the same guy who made classics like Gargoyles and YJ 1-2 produce something so bad?


If gargoyles were made today, would it even still be the same with Weissman?

Greg Weisman is the Rick Riordan of /co/

>>149234367
Is he really? A lot of creators fit the mold in selling out good creations to woke sloppery

>kids' show in the 90s

There ya go. For all we know, Greg had this mindset since day one he made the show. But since it was the 90s adding in shit like politics or lgbtq would just attract undsirable attention. and execs didn't want any of that. The same could even be applied to CN with YJ.

>>149234340 (OP)
Didn't he make one of the gargoyles gay?

>>149234599
Oh you mean Lex? He was always gay, what are you talking about?

Ignore

>>149234704
This PNG I swear to god its unrelated

>>149234340 (OP)
Gargoyles was mid, great idea but then it runs in circles. Gargoyles robots suits, really...

Can't wait for set 10 of Lorcana, Whispers from the Well. It's set to feature both The Black Cauldron and Gargoyles.

>>149234760
The problem with Gargoyles is that the heroes were NOT interesting and not capable. Goliath's clan gets genocided mostly because despite being an adult he's naive and never truly learns his lesson which is why when the few survivors of his clan are taken to modern civilization he is still getting taken advantage of by different villains. And I don't mean Xanatos.

And the other characters simply aren't engaging. Gargoyles failed to cultivate a substantial roster of characters that audiences will care about. In Sonic every main character has fans and if that doesn't count look at Ninja Turtles each turtle has their fandom. But in Gargoyles if you don't like Goliath you will be bored. Goliath is a dull main character but he is the main one. The other members of Goliath's clan are all boring as dirt.

>>149234760
Think the reason why they had to introduce the robot suits was because the show couldn't introduce too much blood or violence that hit too close to home. The gun safety episode with broadway is a good example.

>>149234874
This insistence on Western Animation Must Be Inoffensive is exactly why anime destroyed western cartoons. That's a fact and its annoying but its true, wussy censored trite and even now not much has truly changed.

>>149234874

Kind of explains a lot since half of the action felt....."Safe". You know? If you watch an episode of it you can tell how most hits had less impact or characters passing out being thrown.

While DBZ out here showing people breaking arms and punching peoples ribcages out with violent SFX.

>>149234340 (OP)
>no one remembers spectacular spider-man
ok

>>149235165
Ah shit my bad I forgot greg made. That was a good tv show run. Seriously though what happened to this man

>>149235181
He was born in California.

>>149235150
Which is weird because Disney did way more violent things at the time. Lion King, Hutchbank, Tarzan. A literal attempt at stabbing in Aaldain.

Censhorship was godaman funky in the 90s

>>149234340 (OP)
>Greg makes another banger with Young Justice S1-S2
Young Justice sucked the whole way through from start to finish. Weisman is a hack and yes he basically got lucky with Gargoyles.

>>149234760
>Gargoyles robots suits, really...
They were cool as shit, anon. I don't get the problem. It was hype to see these as a kid, especially when Xanatos got a robot suit himself. Among the cooler designs on the show. My eyes glazed over stuff like The Pack or the world tour arc because so many of those designs were just lame.
(why the fuck are there no screenshots of this show newer than 25 years old online?A toon Disney screencap, really?)

>>149235181
I remember when he was talking about Young Justice he said he never has an ending in mind for his stories, he just keeps making up cliffhangers to keep going forever even if he has a feeling the show isn't coming back. As much as I like Gargoyles, Spectacular and Seasons 1 and 2 of young Justice, it was him saying that that made me lose any faith in future projects.

>>149234340 (OP)
Gargoyles had a serious (but not too serious) and sexy (but not pornographic) feeling to it that no other cartoon has.

>>149235454
What he means more is that he could build a universe for literal hundreds/thousands of years. The way Greg sees it, he would have ideas for everything between the modern day and the Legion of superheroes time. It's just him being twee and obtuse because life goes on and time doesn't end , he does have individual ideas for ends and how a character's story would end.

>>149234599

>Chased after Angela and tried to seduce her
> This comic panel >>149234704
> Little dude snitched and doxxed his and his friends' location all because he had a whiff and touch of a woman while making this godamn face.

And Greg wanted people to believe he was originally supposed to be gay? Whatever. Dude is just trying to check a box.

>>149236099
Lex hero-worshiped Fox. He wanted to BE her.

>>149236304
Yeah probably shouldn't have left that out. At the time Lex trusted the pack because he thought they we're heroes.

one person doesnt make a show
ren and stimpy was great, but john k's work after was mostly ass. the R&S team elevated the man
dexter's lab and samurai jack were great, but when you let genndy call all the shots without anybody to rein him in you get shit like the ending of samurai jack, the ending of primal, and the entirety of unicorn warriors

>>149235303
Didn't that show get canceled because they were losing their young boy demographic and were attracting young adult women?

>>149236443
At the time people were pissed because the execs wanted to sell toys instead of attracting female fans. But in retrospect, it was kind of reasonable decison.

Women buy drastically different things from young boys. On top of that, the show had to get back money fast, considering the animation for YJ was mad expensive.

>Greg crashes out and tells people to kick rocks with the issue of the show, mainly the politics.

That mother fucker also on twitter randomly got pressed because a dude asked why lexington was gay and gave a retarded answer saying there were too many cis men in gargoyles and told the guy to get off his back about it.

I lost some respect for that dude when he used that bullshit twitter "cis" lingo.

>>149234855
>The other members of Goliath's clan are all boring as dirt.


What was wrong with Broadway, Lexington, Hudson and Brooklyn?
How so? I heard that Brooklyn was a fan favorite. (Besides those freaky ass gay furries.)

>>149235523
The animation was just to good and smooth as well. You just had to be there when watching this show.

>>149237050
Hudson is meant to be the old mentor who is way out of it. He really is extremely useless as a character. He was the last leader of the clan but by the time the story started Goliath is already leading the clan. And when they transfer all these medieval characters to modern civilization an extremely antiquated old senior citizen is simply even more useless. Even other examples of old mentors like Splinter from Ninja Turtles is still able to guide the main characters because despite being old he does have a better grip on understanding modernity since he's from the present. Hudson doesn't have that advantage he was basically a retired old man during the medieval era so when you transplant him into the future of modern civilization he's truly useless.

Lexington is meant to be the technologically gifted character but it really doesn't work. How does a character who is from the medieval era easily adapt to modern technology like security cameras, being a mechanic that handles motorcycles on his own, etc? Doesn't work. And his design is not flattering.

Broadway is merely the stereotypical fat dude. Nothing stand out.

Brooklyn on the other hand is the only member of the clan the writers did try to give him the spotlight and it was mostly to dump on him. If he wasn't depicted as a weakling then he was written as a dude who repeatedly gets rejected by women. And the show ended with Brooklyn never building himself up to become a success. These are the only other main characters who aren't Eliza and they leave a lot to be desired. They aren't annoying but as characters they feel disappointing.

>>149236434
And the fact that networks were able to restrict them from going to far. Dont know what the fuck John k was smoking when he made adult party.

>>149237050
>Besides those freaky ass gay furries

Gen X creative types are kind of passive and allow themselves to get bullied and influenced by stronger willed ideologues who aren't as talented. Eventually these influences supplant the creator's own voice in his artistic output.

>>149237380
Hudson is the only Scottish one. It's weird. But people in general are as smart as they've always been, they just need exposure to new ideas to pick them up, and Lex was the most inquisitive. Brooklyn seemed like the most stereo-typically teenaged of the bunch. So he got a lot of the life lessons younger audience members were supposed to identify with. And Broadway came to idolize Elisa and wanted to become a proper detective. Even at the end of the series, still a work in progress.

>>149237380
Hudson may be the most useless, but he feels like some of biggest heart to the cast. I really wouldn't care if Lexington was gone, Broadway feels like they shove things on him to make him important(which I realize sounds like double-think, but his importance doesn't feel organic), and even Brooklyn doesn't feel like he's that close. But Hudson and Goliath feel like they have an actual relationship in a way the others don't. It really feels like the last three were shoved in to give the show some TMNT style characters because Goliath is so dour.
It really doesn't help that the whole world tour arc meant a lot of these characters had limited time for a good chunk of the show.

>>149234340 (OP)
In the 90s Disney made MOSTLY good quality shit whatever they were doing

They wanted a boyetic toyetic show to compete with the likes of Batman and X-Men and probably to some degree TMNT which was the last big trend prior though running on it's last legs at the time, albeit in a market full of copycats still

So of course, Disneys attempt was good

>>149237619
>It really doesn't help that the whole world tour arc meant a lot of these characters had limited time for a good chunk of the show.
I liked the King Arthur connection, but the season of obvious back-door pilots did get tiring after awhile despite a few stand-out episodes.

>>149237703
God damn 90s comicbooksp art is immaculate. What I give to see this kind of artstyle again

>>149237619
All Hudson really needed was some special skill or lore that is highly useful to, and specific to, medieval Gargoyles and that couldn't be learned from anyone or anywhere else in the 20th century. That would give him a narrative purpose and plenty of opportunities to actually be a mentor figure. Maybe Lexington, Broadway, and Brooklyn could each show aptitude for a different facet or subtype of whatever skillset Hudson has to teach, so each could specialize in a cool power that compliments their personality and visual design.

>If gargoyles were made today, would it even still be the same with Weissman.

Absolutely fucking not. Every old show that comes back is either being made by hacks or is severely different due most things moving to digital or the fact that all the talent that made it are either gone, fired, blacklisted or straight up dead.

>>149237791
It looks like trash, and I like 90's comic art when it's done well.
The 90's painted promo art was all done really well

>>149237930
Nah it looks good, what you posted isn't comic book art, it's western fantasy art. You see that on toy packaging, video game packaging, rock/metal music albums etc.

The other one is prototypical 90s "comic book art", heavily stylized, dramatic and dynamism taking precedent over realism, deep shadows, thick lining, "rule of cool"

>>149237866
Dude is only useless because he doesnt get rid of the dumb ass sword. Dude has been taken nothing but Ls with that thing.

>>149237385
Anon please delete this. You're making the last 10 normal Brooklyn fans having whiplash and paralysis. I beg of thee.

>>149238138
He needs the sword because he's otherwise old and useless. Unless you want to give him a laser gun.

>>149234340 (OP)
>>149235181
he's like 60 dude he just lost it after a while

Spielberg made Jaws, Indiana Jones, Jurassic Park, and then he made The Big Friendly Giant and Ready Player One.

Not every artist is good past a certain age, they lose the touch.

>>149235209
Anon over here acting like being born in California is a curse.

>>149238373
Flyover country is mad that they don't have anything in their state that matters.

The fact that they had 10 spinoffs planned, and used whole episodes to set them up, and not a single one got the greenlight is hilarious.

>>149238392
More like coasties mad they're not heterosexual, or men

>>149238406
That was one of the most retarded decisions Greg had made at the time. Dude should've focused on at the very least one spin off instead trying to build a franchise.

>>149238419
is a picture of a little ceasars pizza the best claim you have that you aren't living in a cultural wasteland?

>>149238392
>>149238373

I mean is he wrong? Have you seen how bad that fucking place is right now. Shit was so bad that one of VAs for YJ literally converted to Christianity and left cali. Shit must awful in Hollywood.

https://boundingintocomics.com/uncategorized/young-justice-star-danica-mckellar-becomes-a-bible-believing-christian-after-leaving-california-it-just-hit-me-everything-hit-me/

>>149238441
White Stripes > The Strokes
Stooges > Ramones
Alice Cooper > Jew York Dolls
Ted Nugent > all

Even Eminem and ICP are better than Gay Z and Ja Drool, there's nothing from NYC that doesn't reek of FAGGOT

>>149234340 (OP)
Between Gargoyles, W.I.T.C.H., Spectacular Spider-Man and (early) YJ the guy has had a fine career for what it's worth, not really fair to call it lightning in a bottle if he delivered consistently for at least 15 years. Almost any other cartoon showrunner would have been happy to have had just one of those successes. I get the feeling that he got tired of the modern trend of armchair critics picking apart the writing in shows like his with idiotic terms like "subvert expectations" or "plot armor".

I still stand on the belief that Timedancer Brooklyn is the worst thing Greg has ever written. Borderline antithetical to the core message of gargoyles.

>>149238530
I cannot believe that Greg ever thought he was going to gt a show aimed at boys called "Timedancer"
Then again, the dumb fucker scared away the toy company which was probably a factor in cancelling the show in Season 3.

>>149238419
>pwning
>baby's first photoshop
holy shit old man did they unlock you from a sarcophagus from 2003?

>>149238572
Wait that happend? Can you elaborate more on that?

>>149238572

I'm assuming he got too ambitious and costed him his show.

>>149238589
That's MS PAINT you zoomer imbecile I'm the Millennial GOD who made this wasteland culture 4chan now you can keep trying to romanticize my culture with Invader Zim Daria worship sloptard you'll never understand

>>149238679
There's no exact correlation on record , just my guess based on Greg's stories , and the fact Kenner dropped the Gargoyles license around 96, with work stopping sometime earlier(that info comes from a former Transformers designer who was working at kenner at the time; he was hired for Gargoyles and was moved to the Batman team because they were ending the Gargoyles line)
Weisman has said that Kenner wanted them to feature some vehiles they could make a toy of, including a motorcycle they ended up blowing up like 10 minutes into the episode, and generally made himself hard to deal with for Kenner in regards to toy tie-ins by his own admission.

>The motorcycle is interesting. It was one of three toy driven elements we consciously put into the show. (The others were in "Her Brother's Keeper" and "Eye of the Storm".) It was a rare moment of Kenner and Disney being in semi-synch. And the toy actually looks like the motorcycle. But of course, what the hell were we going to do with a motorcycle? How could we make that an on-going element in the show. Sure Batman has a batmobile, but the garg-cycle just sounds silly. So we put it in, but Michael, Brynne, Frank and I are so subversive that we blow the thing up before the end of Act One. Kenner never said anything. I'm not sure if they ever saw the episode. (But we weren't being very good partners.)
https://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=58

I can see why they'd decide not to continue the license(and they were helping fund the show as well). Basically the show was a non-starter for toy sales

>>149238919
and fuck me I spent that time trying to find the source and didn't even post the motorcycle.

>>149238919
>Kenner never said anything.
Probably trying to stay professional instead of cussing him off. Why would you bring the guy who's job is to make toys and make him waste his time for the sake of being subversive.

They could've easily use the motorcycle for when the gargoyles need it when the wind currents aren't right for gliding. Boom. Easy.

>>149238919
>Given addiontal funding for the show as long as they promote the latest toy in the show.
>Immediately destroys the one thing help funding the show and never use it again.
>Ends up destroying the partnership and trust with kenner pulling the funding away from the show.

Wtf possessed them to think that was a smart idea.

>>149239037
Hell, you could have Elisa use it to tow the others up to speed. And it's not like the villains didn't have their toyetic aspects, Macbeth especially.

>>149238993
This actually looks cool as hell. Why the hell would Greg get rid of this?

Gargoyles was awesome, but I was raised with Godzilla, Men In Black and Beast Wars. Medieval gargoyles just can't beat kaiju, aliens and, well, fucking Transformers.

>>149239400
Can't really blame you for that. All of those sound like good picks.

>>149238406
This nigga really wasted that many episodes over spin offs that weren't even confirmed or greenlit? Couldn't he just talked to Disney execs for that instead of wasting resources.

>>149239411
Which show do you guys think was more serious, Gargoyles or Beast Wars?

>>149239493
Well, Gargoyles in general was more grounded and serious while Beast Wars had slapstick, but conversely Beast Wars characters who died stayed dead, there were moments of existencial horror, fucking Tarantulas and Rampage, and the fact half of the weapons fired bullets rather than lasers.

>>149239400
I also liked those three, and Power Rangers/Batman- but I was really into Gargoyles thanks to the toys, funny enough in regards tot his thread- but the toys always had them with al this cool stuff like armor and weapons and always angry as fuck.
I would watch the show sometimes and it was cool, but there was a feeling that it didn't jangle the keys enough with cool stuff. I can appreciate it more now, but as a 5 or 6 year old? Macbeth isn't capturing my attention. The show in general is relatively contemplative, where as stuff like BW or Power Rangers had this driving rock or synth beat and lots of action, or MiB would have a lot of engaging visuals, and Godzilla of course had the sheer impact of the monsters.
With Gargoyles, despite being big winged monsters, the characters don't really feel like that a lot of the time.
I guess what I'm saying is, I could've used more sequences of Brooklyn riding this
>>149238993
with his wings fully flared and taking down Steel Clan robots

>>149234367
Nah credit due, Rick crashed out way fucking harder with how schizo he went in regards to destroying his own franchise, the scope is just too massive to compare.

>>149238204
No one cares about Brooklyn except furries. Stop pretending.

>>149239771
He's the coolest easily because he looks like a monster. Humans are gay, demons and monsters rule

>>149234340 (OP)
>make dark show for kids
>leave before you end it
>rile up fandom into thinking you're the genius and the execs are evil
>do this for 30 years
>turn "Greg Weisman" into a brand name among adults who watch cartoons
>???
>profit
Weisman got lucky Gargoyles ended after 2 seasons, and the non-canon 3rd season made people think he was a genius by comparison. If the show continued on his terms, it would've devolved into the same stupidity you saw in later YJ with a billion B-plots that don't go anywhere.

>>149234340 (OP)
While I enjoyed Gargoyles significantly more than his work elsewhere, I do enjoy his work elsewhere. Frankly I think it's a damn shame that he's been stuck writing for comic adaptations when he's pitched several nifty-looking original cartoons. I suspect at least some of /co/'s more recent ire for him would be significantly diminished if he was working on original works instead of adaptations.

>>149238406
>>149238427
>>149239457
>The fact that they had 10 spinoffs planned, and used whole episodes to set them up, and not a single one got the greenlight is hilarious.
to be fair that's more than anything because Katzenberg left Disney* than anything that was Greg's fault, after all the plan had been for Gargoyles to be the launching point for a whole superhero universe, what would have been Disney's equivalent to Marvel or DC since at the time they were comparatively lacking in content for the "Boys 8-12" market, hence why they briefly made half-hearted attempts at pushing Power Rangers after they had acquired Saban's properties in the early to mid Aughts, and why they eventually bought out Marvel(and then eventually Star Wars and Fox as well)

*since those who replaced him then went and killed as much of what Katzenberg had left at Disney as possible due to the idiocies of modern American Corporate culture

>>149238919
it's funny too considering just how heavily Toyetic a lot of the character designs are in Gargoyles even when they weren't directly doing something in relation to the toyline

>>149240433
But you don't want to use 20 episodes to set up backdoor pilots. It doesn't help that none of the spinoff pitches sounded cool. Did anybody really give a shit about the New Olympians?

>>149234340 (OP)
Weisman's great at writing for 12 to 14 year olds but sucks at writing for the 18 and up crowd. Even the best children's show writers struggle to write for adults.

>>149240462
>But you don't want to use 20 episodes to set up backdoor pilots.
well part of the reason they used so much of Season 2 for that sort of thing is because they had gotten a massive increase on the season order at the last minute, quadrupling from the original 13 planned episodes to 52 episodes*, I imagine the whole Avalon World Tour concept was done specifically to make filling up those additional 39 episodes easier by having 16 of that 20 episode arc only have two of the main cast in them(well setting aside Angela being added and Bronx being essentially a dog)

*there's some bits and traces of this left in the show as we got this if you pay attention, City of Stone for example was pretty clearly written as a season finale for one thing, and coincidentally happen to be the 9th through 12th episodes of the season, my assumption is that one of the episodes from the 8 between City of Stone and Avalon(well besides High Noon obviously) had gotten pushed to a later position in the season from its original slot of being somewhere prior to City of Stone(my guess is The Price as there's a very specific continuity gaff that comes from it being after City of Stone)

>>149234855
Shut the fuck up tranny

>>149240571
Didn't he fuck up something in some of the mtg novels? I vaguely remember the usual suspects shitting on him on twitter for that.

Reminder

>>149238919
lmao

>>149241399
I recall this was about canonically deconfirming a popular homosexual ship, which probably mattered more to 18+ fans. Not into MtG, so I might be misremembering.
That said, I've read Rain of the Ghosts, Weisman's OC novel, which definitely felt like it would be much better geared towards young teens. It was not bad or anything, but for an adult reader, it felt just slightly too naive with plot development. I did not buy the followup book.

>>149234855
Nah, man, Hudson ruled. The episode where Xanatos traps him and Hudson has to outsmart him by using his own shell as a weapon was one of the best of the series.

>>149235447
>>149234760
My favorite part of the red Goliath suit was that, even after Xanatos abandoned the general idea of robot gargoyles in his plots, he always came back to that one for himself. You can tell he really felt a sense of ownership over it. It became his equivalent of the weird Luthor green and purple battle suit.

People change with age even if they can't see that themselves. You've probably changed a bit as well.

>>149239659
So basically, the problem you had with the show it was a little to grounded for you and probably was at the brink making you bored despite having these amazing desgins?

disney wanted a batman the animated series so they pulled out all the stops to get it and it paid off I guess

>>149242205
I haven't changed at all since 2005 and it's probably hurting me.

>>149238406
It's extremely funny, especially given how outright bad a lot of them were. The New Olympians was a genuinely cool premise though, I would have watched more of that.
>>149242205
I haven't watched Young Justice so maybe I'm talking out of my ass here, but Weisman seems like he has always been a pretty liberal guy. Maybe he has gotten more liberal all the time but if liberals never changed their opinions they would just be conservatives. So yeah, if Gargoyles was written today it would be different, because culture is different. What is considered "progressive" is different.
Case and point, if a show came out today where one of the main characters was half black and half native American it would be the only thing anyone talked about.

>>149241479
Was this nigga on shrooms when he was at the convention. Jesus christ I feel like I was reading some freak's fanfic.

>>149243110
He's just the older version of a theater kid. He was doing that for years in the 2000, even had a little eyepatch and would pretend to be his "evil counterpart" and everything. Contrary to what
>>149242205
says, I have no doubt that Greg largely believes the same things he did 30+ years ago. The whole thing about Lexington being gay came from the 2000's cons, long before you'd even have a slight chance of getting a gay character on a kid's show.

>>149241479
Dude...where do we even begin with this?

>>149243110
That isn't that unusual for cons in the 2000s and to an extent in the early 2010s. There was some wild shit going on panels that would never fly today.

>>149243299
That was part of the 00s zeitgeist. On Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Willow declared she was a lesbian even though in the early seasons she had a romance arc with Oz and Xander. Whedon got a lot of accolades for it even though it didn't feel planned at all.

>>149237385
>Gaygoyles

>>149241479
>Gargoyle genitals are similar to humans but sized to scale and thus compatible but painful
>Elisa and Goliath do have sex eventually
wew

>>149243480

Weisman is a wizard-grade autist who obsesses over every single detail of his characters, writing thousands of post-it notes he uses to track everything. He develops his characters so thoroughly that he writes down their hidden quirks and motivations that make their way on-screen but not explicitly told to people.

For normal adults, their sex lives are a huge part of their personality and motivations. and for teenagers but America doesn't like to talk about that, so he builds that into his character profiles. He also interacts with his fans very openly, most notably the fanfic community who legitimately want to know these details, which he happily provides.

I understand that this is all very confusing and uncomfortable for an anti-sex zoomer such as yourself, but healthy adults have sex lives and it's not usual to be open to talking about it in the right spaces.

>>149244622
I got no qualms with creators explaining adult information with the right crowd. Berserk does this perfectly within is story.

But some of the shit this guy was saying here felt like I was reading from a fanfic.
Like the one with Owen and Xanatos and the pack.

I just like the character design of the gargoyles.

>>149245253
Dude the animators and designers were generational talent. Shame most of them were left forgotten. Who was your favorite?

>>149245318
Not him but the one who animated the TF sequence of Fox into werewolf was the reason why I adore transformation scenes that done very soulful.

>>149245397
But my favorite one was when she turning back to normal. That scene was a lot more detailed and every frame of it was pure kino.

>>149245397
Really messes me up that we're probably never gonna see animation this good in anything mainstream.

>>149234340 (OP)
“Would it still be the same”
Wiessman has been churning out Gargoyles comics that remove season 3 from canon and replace it with the stories he wants to do and they’re actually pretty good

>>149245442
>>149245397
So fucking good, reminds me of the scene where Clayface is electrified and keeps changing form. Probably same studio?

>>149245588
I keep getting in a loop of meaning to read these and then forgetting they exist.

i think Weisman's greatest flaw as a creator is his lack of an actual proper conclusive ending to anything he creates, if he had it his way they'd go on forever.

>>149245634
Comc books outside Image, DC and Marvel has that effect. Especially when comics are already suffering due to the people in charge.

>>149245719

Gargoyles had a satisfying ending. Then it just kept going for about 10 episodes until it stopped.

>>149245719
And some making weird ass decisions.

>The retcon for Lexington
>That court scene with Goliath
>TimeDancer

Probably even more,

>>149238919
LMFAO. Dude really blew it all because he did stuff behind his back for no reason.

Who was the hottest character and why was it Angela?

>>149245719
That's just how life works, there is no cut and dry ending. People are born, grow up and die with conflicts unresolved.

>>149246217

I always like Gargoyle Elisa

>>149246217
Cause she wasnt a flaming cunt like Demona.

>>149246291
I wish the show had more gargirls.

>>149246632
I still find it funny the first thing demona did when goliath simpy disagreed with her on the humans was just mercin everyone in that place.

>>149245588
Oh really?

>>149234855
>In Sonic every main character has fans
Is that true really though. Shadow I guess but even as an edgelord/anti-hero guy, Shadow is pretty lame, people just latch onto him because of the irony factor of him being such a try hard design of Vegeta hedgehog who's Hot Topic colored and said "damn" in a kids series, hard to imagine people are truly fans of his ludicrous story arc

As for Knuckles and Tails for proper classic Sonic, they barely had characters besides smarter than Sonic and dumber than Sonic

>>149245588
It is. Even though sonic games haven't had a hit since sonic adventures people still loved the characters.

>>149247836
I mean do they really or is it just like how somebodies favorite Transformer is Skywarp just because he's the color they like, or how someones favorite MLP is Lyra just because they jerk off to her

>>149234704
Weisman didn't write that comic, though.

>>149245634
>>149245721
Dynamite ditching Diamond delayed the hell out of the Demona series, but they've been delaying the comics even before then. Nowhere as bad as SLG, though.

I'm interested to see how successful would a modern Marvel-published Gargoyles be, since they're doing the first half of the Fantastic Four crossover.

>>149248255
>I'm interested to see how successful would a modern Marvel-published Gargoyles be

Dont wish for something you don't know the cost for anon, especially with modern day Marvel Comics.

>>149238427
It was Eisner's idea to compete with 90s Marvel cartoons and their "shared universe" after he was talked out of buying Marvel for cheap.

>>149249135
Aint that ironic.

I remember in the Path of Neo ending, when Larry trooning out was just rumors, people were talking about how one of the Wachowski brother pixels being pink was a hint to how they were transitioning