Industry people on cartoon youtubers

the worst one for me is tbskyen, I hate the prick, he literally never ever made anything yet he talks in this holier than thou manner, the autistic ones like mister enter or ls mark I can just laugh at but this prick really gets to my nerves

>>149238946 (OP)
Pan BTFO

>>149238946 (OP)
>it's another "you can't criticize food if you're not a chef!!" episode
These fragile egocentric fucks never learn

If you are an artist or ever intent to become one the very first thing you have to mentally prepare yourself for is criticism. No one is exempt from it. That "you can't criticize [X] because you're not [Y]" won't do you any favors and the earlier you drop it the better. Cartoon reviewers are retarded for different reasons.

>>149238996
I hate this guy for his obvious fat fetish he puts in most of his criticisms.
>>149239003
He is decent but he fucked up his chances at going pro. He apparently had industry contacts but spilling his spaghetti in front of Genndy was such a blunder.

>>149239273
The overwhelming majority of people who see anything you make will think it's crap. Once you accept this, you are free to create.

If you made decent cartoons maybe you'd have a point, but it's all absolute dogshit in the west unfortunately. Anything half decent is either old or from a very niche place, or indie. The generic toonboom sloppa lgbtroon show creators have no right to say anything.

>>149239107
It's a valid criticism when you have ficks who think they know how to make a good cartoon. Look at Mr. Enter. He acted like hot shit that knows what is quality, but his pitch for a show is a rip off full of plot holes. Growing Around will never happen or make any sense.

>>149239107
>>149239273
It gives you the basis for making critiques

Instead of just saying insults or meme opinions

>>149238946 (OP)
kek, based saberfart slander.

>>149239003
Who in their right mind would take this faggot seriously?

>>149239107
I feel you, but also

>I need someone else to validate how I feel about food

people who overvalue critics are fags

>>149238996
He absolutely reeks of that pretentious Millenial leftist archetype. I remember getting into a spat with him on YouTube a few years ago over some dumb shit

>>149239806
He looks fucking terrible now. What happened?

>>149239883
hung out with troons too much, now he's got troonitis

2nd one is cope. I have gotten valid critiques from people who make worse art than me on a technical level.

>>149239806
>double chin
>unkempt dyed hair
>nerd glasses
>overweight
>Yellowish teeth
>five o-clock shadow
Yikes

>>149238946 (OP)
I miss when cartoon reviewers just talked about the damn cartoon and not their retarded personal views, bro nobody gives a fuck I came here to watch a review on Powerpuff Girls.

>>149238946 (OP)
Most cartoon Youtubers are shitty critics who don't read any books on critical theory or basic story structure, and only criticize cartoons based off vibes.

>>149238996
Only watch his shorts on Pokemon on his other channel, really don't care to watch his other content.

>>149239107
>"overall, if any of you guys wanted opinions on things just form it on your own analysis and occasionally get help from real artists and scholars."
That's not the same as bashing all criticism, just because you're not an artist.
It is a bit dumb to highly value a critic, who is primarily in the field for engagement, before you even developed an educated opinion for yourself.

>>149238946 (OP)
>Animat called out like that
Lmao, haven't seen his content in years but I do know the dude had a MASSIVE hateboner for anything from Sony Animations. Also, the guy is right about Doug (and to an extant James of AVGN) a lot of people didn't see them for the clear exaggerated characters that they are, and wholesale tried to emulate them.

Based. fuck these cartoon avatar youtube reviewers and their basic bitch "analysis."

>>149238946 (OP)
>>149239981
>Animat’s top 10 animated movies of 2024
>just a bunch of normieslop
>didn’t even include Flow which went on to win a freakin’ Oscar

>>149239003
>When he got IJQ on the podcast thanks to Jim and Nolan fucked up up by being a sperg over SU
Wild moment

>>149238996
He is such a fucking subhuman faggot with a fat fetish
His league of legends videos are so fucking ass

>>149238946 (OP)
>Shitting on Saberspark
Based

>>149239107
>you don't have to be a chef to criticize food
No, but it's pretty nice if you're a cook. You know, if you have some basic fucking knowledge of the process involved in creating the thing you're critiquing. I swear, internet "critics" are shatter like glass the moment you remind them that criticism is also a skill and that just giving your dumbass basic bitch opinion isn't actually criticism. To follow the analogy, imagine busting your ass to be a chef and then be expected to listen to one of those idiots who will proclaim up and down that a Big Mac beats the pants off haute cuisine.

>>149239107
The most basic demand would still be that you can demonstrate that you understand how the food is made and how that made the difference between this and that dish.

>>149238946 (OP)
Serious critique needs to give a path forward for the artist to improve, so if you're just a literal who man child who no actual skills, you have nothing of value to say other than "this thing is good/bad"

Really manifests itself when you see people like LS Mark who think they're hot shit because they can fling around terms like "Character development" or "pacing" but offer nothing deeper, and when it comes time to make their own thing, it's absolute trash.

>>149239806
I still feel the second hand embarrassment from his interactions with genndy

>>149239981
I liked his retrospectives on disney and muppets I wish he just did that

>>149241361
"Serious" film critics fall into the same pitfall if I'm being honest.

>>149242386
NTA, but audience-focused critics are essentially obsolete. Before the internet, you needed reliable access to someone with a reasonably developed taste and reasonable skill in expressing their opinion to get an idea of what's good. But we're on the internet now. And as it turns out, all those critics were just people with no particularly special skill expressing their personal opinions, and I can get that anywhere. The most famous one of them all, Ebert, failed to understand Starship Troopers. And sure, it doesn't exactly come out and say it, but to anyone with some basic knowledge and, to coin a meme term, media literacy it's obvious.

>>149240803

Speaking of which whay happen to his SA allegations anyways?

>>149238946 (OP)
This comes off as pathetic and sad. These people make cartoons and think they are above critique?

>>149238946 (OP)
>I value the opinions of my equals more than the opinions of my customers
This explains why we have academic ivory towers, ugly houses, modern art installations, and plastic surgeons who bog everyone.

>>149241361
>they can fling around terms like "Character development" or "pacing" but offer nothing deeper
I keep seeing guys like you trash on critics for saying this but you can never give an example of what's good critique

>>149238946 (OP)
God, I'm glad this industry is imploding

Industry cucks
>oh of course they don't create art of their own or understand stories. Worthless
But the part they don't say
>I'm so glad I got this staff job because my uncle is on the executive board of the parent company, and fuck no I'd never look at a resume, we're full and if we're ever not we're getting in my nephew or the guy who sucked my boss' dick in that schmoozing event

In fairness internet critics are mostly fucking useless
The best ones are small channels that also make their own animation, or at the very least comics

Remind me again how Comicsgate turned out?

>>149242647
>The best ones are small channels that also make their own animation, or at the very least comics
No? Those tend to be the autistic ones.

>>149242459
his accuser was a literal whore who fucked ryan drummond for clout

>>149242459
He recovered his old phone that had texts which conflicted with the accuser's story. She lied.

>>149238946 (OP)
He’s right lol and based for saying it, fuck these critics gags with their goofy ass names and cross armed rantsonas
The thing is tho, this is actually one big benefit of going to art school, im that you will be critiqued by an artist who is either working in the industry or has worked in the industry. You will get far better critiques on what you are doing wrong with your drawing and with your stories, from people who know their shit. I know we all want to bash art schools, justifiably so, but they come with this very positive aspect. I also highly advise people to join industry storyboarding and animation discords, I joined one and it completely changed how I view perspective.
Also some of these “critics” are total creeps. I’ve seen these fucks obsess over the personal lives of industry artists on Twitter, specially right-leaning critics. Don’t get me started on DaftPina who behaves less like a critic and more like tabloid journalist. Others see themselves and temporarily embarrassed showrunners who care less about examining art and more about their own cartoon, however saying “this sucks”, “that sucks” will not make you a better storyteller, that takes years of hard work and trial and error, hence why most critic cartoons suck

>>149239107
>would you rather take advice from an industry professional
>or some random nobody whose only credentials is making a semi viral youtube video?

>>149242459

He was innocent but Mr Enter from all people revealed that nobody in the cartoon community likes him lol

1:19:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6HZws2n3sw

>>149243237
classic pot calling kettle

>>149238946 (OP)
But they're right though. Using wrestling slang as an analogy, people in fandoms and even worse, people who make content critiquing media are just "marks" a.k.a losers who aren't part of the club and aren't creators, just consumers. Even the lowliest creator is still well above the "highest" consumer. This is very distressing to a lot of people as they can't hack into creating thus just consume and comment which is a very deplorable place to be in.

People who make YouTube videos on things or just any kind of commenting on media have no clue how hard it is to create. Thus they insult, degrade and shit on things because they're ignorant to what makes something good or bad because they've never, ever put themselves out there creatively because they just fucking can't.

This argument falls apart the moment you remember hack frauds exist. Working in the industry isn't a seal of approval for an artist. More often than note it just means you got along with the "right" people.

>>149243386
This is 100 percent true. These fucks want you to kiss their butt just because they got in so that must mean they're valuable.

Isnt' this what most artist do already? If you're an artist, it's better to just learn on your own and have other (real) artist buddies to talk/learn/criticize, instead of some mandchildren who make a living by bashing the latest Rick and Morty season. Who aren't even artists in the first place.

>>149243237
How the hell do you make me agree with fucking Enter of all people
Yes, Enter is right, it’s inappropriate to make a channel were you talk about kid cartoons and then also talk about literal porn, and then link the uncensored version to fucking pornhub. Is Sabersfart aware he has a fucking large underage demographic?
God I love these retarded cartoon reviewers, I can follow their moronic adventures all day
I’m also reminded of when Enter’s dad began shitting on his reviews online as well lol

>>149243270
>People who make YouTube videos on things or just any kind of commenting on media have no clue how hard it is to create.
In their defense, they do make youtube vids. As long as there's production value beyond "Guy discovered the phone holder in his car", they are actually putting work into it.

>>149243552
This take is bullshit. Don't shove your kids online

Most of them are just commies.

>>149239944
Shut up Birchy.

>>149243565
There is not. Taking pre-existing footage of media others created and slicing them in while you make up lies and talk crap about them is not putting in effort of any kind whatsoever.

>>149243621
Damn you're retarded.

>>149239883
Vaxxed

>>149238996
He has some knowledge of writing and art but his attitude is what makes his videos rough to watch. Especially his tone of voice, elevating and emoting every line, as if reviewing a one piece panel is reciting poetry. He’s the type to believe one piece is a leftist revolutionary criticism of real governments instead of a wacky fantasy world where the author writes injustices to raise stakes and bring emotional baggage to his stupid fights.
But to be fair he does seem to talk more about games than cartoons.

>>149238946 (OP)
I love Dirk, but there are some reviewers who are also actual artists. Just because the biggest ones can’t draw doesn’t mean they are all like that. It’s the same generalization that people used against him for the snow white drawing.
>>149239003
Say what you will, Pan is an actual artist with a specific style that is doing a pilot. He puts his money where his mouth is. And he stopped being a reviewer of cartoons and is just an entertainer now, mainly talking about games and shit he likes.

>>149238946 (OP)
There is a difference between critics and reviewers. At least there should be, so I'm proposing it now.
The difference between critics and reviewers are whom they serve. Reviewers serve the potential audience, steering them towards good content and away from the bad. Self-styled critics seek to influence and change the artist's work.
If we accept this distinction, then it is absolutely fair for the artists to question the critics' credentials to some degree. It is also fair for us to call out artists who get mad about reviews, because reviews are made for us.

>>149243637
You're the one equating a Youtube video with actually creating media which are not in the same fucking universe of effort. Imbecile fuckhead.

>>149243005
O tend to follows indusyry artists like Loish and Aaron Blaise and Dave Rapoza more.

>>149239107
No no, he's got a point and it's interesting he brings up Doug because one thing that's been brought up is Doug, ironically enough, seems to know more about the principles of animation more than most these cartoon tubers do.
Like, you can especially see it in his review of Ralph Bakshi's Lord of the Rings when he starts talking about the line-work in the backgrounds changing so different settings within the film can evoke different emotions. Or he'll talk about the art of using individual character movement to convey different personalities.
One consistent issue with a lot of these Cartoontubers is that they seem to only view animation as a means to make more fantastic concepts happen but seem to have very little eye for the actual visual storytelling element.
Same with like, Doug vs a lot of the "plot-hole critics", he inspired.
Doug just did a video talking about why the Disney remakes and Nu-Wars movies aren't working as well and he made an interesting point that newer Star Wars and Disney remakes are insecure about embracing fairytale logic/emotional storytelling and therefore a lot of these plot holes or contrivances become much more noticeable.
I think it's like, anything can tell you that something sucked and all this stuff that sucks about it but it takes an appreciation of general storytelling art forms to actually say "I can see what this was going for and I can see where it went wrong" like that and a lot of the cartoon youtube guys don't really have the ability to dissect into something like that. Give merit where due, and piss on the flaws.

>>149238946 (OP)
no way, literally who said X about Y on website Z??????????

>>149239107
Did you ever watch Ratatouille? It literally tells you why you're wrong

>>149243808
You're saying editing and commentary take no effort you moron.

>>149243598
Anon REMEMBER!
These reviewers mostly become cartoon reviewers to just complain these days, instead of just reviewing the cartoon we gotta hear mfs complain about Zaslav or some other bullshit. I'm just sick of it.

>>149243870
Some critic talking is different from a youtuber since they still have to CREATE visuals and EDIT which is a skill.

>>149238946 (OP)
>exaggerated their personalities and opinions on films and creators.
That's a good observation, a good way of putting it. They're fun videos, but ultimately their opinions are jokes. It's a series of bits which is fine, but it's under the pretense of critique and review. The need for making jokes and being entertaining gets in the way of real conversation. The result is an echo chamber of fans who aren't able to separate real critique with entertainment who then feed off each other's acceptance of people like Doug as a real expert authority. Insulating these communities online makes it worse, the memes become unshakable and internalized.

>>149243237

>nobody in the cartoon community likes him

That explains why he's not in any of the meetups with other cartoon youtubers at events like Momocon or VidCon

>>149239107
Some people genuinely just have worthless opinions because they don't understand how something works at a basic foundational level.

Something like Pokemon deserves a lot of criticism. But imagine if some of it was, "It should have hundreds of custom animations, and character customization as detailed as The Sims, and the NPCs should have dedicated routes and schedules, and I want dozens of characters on screen with no frame drops at all. They make a billion dollars, they should just do it!". At some point you gotta ask, "Do you know how the fucking pipeline works if you're asking for all that?".

>>149243808
>>149243621
Making film is pretty much the second most wasteful way of creating media, after animation.

>>149243237
Aside from his taste in anthro women being nice, I just don't care for Saber, and his whole "I'm not a furry guys, honest" got old real fucking quick. I know he made his persona into a lion now, so at least he's not doing the joke anymore. And yeah, that whole porn thing is dumb, yeah yeah "kids shouldn't be on the net" but maybe don't do videos on preschool shows next to said porn videos.

>>149238996
>Shaved head
>Beard
>Glasses
Well duh there's your problem

i get around all this by not watching any of that garbage

>>149243237
Fuck, I hate that I actually agree with Enter of all people
Honestly, Saber is fucking joke of a "critic" allegations or no allegations, and a hypocrite and frankly everything bad about not only the animation community but Youtube creators in general.

>>149244214
>"It should have hundreds of custom animations, and character customization as detailed as The Sims, and the NPCs should have dedicated routes and schedules, and I want dozens of characters on screen with no frame drops at all. They make a billion dollars, they should just do it!". At some point you gotta ask, "Do you know how the fucking pipeline works if you're asking for all that?".
Serious question: do you think one of the most profitable and wealthy game studios in history should be unable to do all of that? It's really not asking much when you get down to it.

>>149243237
Yeah, I certainly prefer an asexual weirdo who, according to his videos, clearly doesnt understand human relationships compated to a neckbeared creep who openly baits his underage community into drawing porn of him RIGHT in his videos.

>>149242459
Disregarding if it happened or not, I'm betting 100 bucks that his fan interactions on Discord are wild. He doesnt make it a secret within his content.
Make certain jokes often enough and it becomes suspicious. Havent seen his shit in years because I got tired of his coomer antics, but I bet there hasn't been a single videos where he didnt joke about wanting to fuck the characters, or telling his audience that hes "not a furry tee-hee dont watch yourself fucking me wink wink". Last thing I watched was probably his last good video, about some Portugese conquistadore movie.

>>149242459
Disregarding if it happened or not, I'm betting 100 bucks that his fan interactions on Discord are wild. He doesnt make it a secret within his content.
Make certain jokes often enough and it becomes suspicious. Havent seen his shit in years because I got tired of his coomer antics, but I bet there hasn't been a single videos where he didnt joke about wanting to fuck the characters, or telling his audience that hes "not a furry tee-hee dont draw yourself fucking me wink wink". Last thing I watched was probably his last good video, about some Portugese conquistadore movie.

>>149244648
They don't want to make good games, they want to shit down your throat and charge you for the service.

>>149244648
When you consider that Pokemon as a franchise is a machine and not merely one game studio, it's unreasonable to say, "Just stall all the toy lines, anime, card games, and everything else so we can have a dev cycle of 3 - 5 years". GameFreak is not the one in charge of the franchise, they can't just tell TPC, "We're gonna take a long time to make the new game so it can be fantastic and you're just gonna have to deal with it!".

>>149243237

I never thought to see the day where Mr Enter would do a gigachad claim.

>>149243887
What a coincidence. I'm sick of you and your tranny-me obsession.

>>149244804
Exactly!
They would rather scam and nickel and dime you instead of making something worth while.
>>149245143
I really don't care. Unless you have something constructive to say I'm not even gonna acknowledge your existence. Remember that for the future.

>>149243237
enter sounds a lot less faggy than he used to

>>149245236
He's gotten better, I just don't like when he flip flops his views.

I watched videos about the cancelling of Youtubers were after 1 hour, I still had no idea what even happened that would get someone cancelled. And there is Saber, who now sloooowly gets attention, for some reason extremely late, just because he defended a groomer.

So weird. Did anyone actually watch him? I mean, if you just watch him, you need like 5 videos to question the guy.

>>149243237

Makes sense, have you seen photos from places like MomoCon where every cartoon youtuber is there being pals and having a great time except Saber.

Xitter and YouTube cartoon “critics” are the dumbest fucking people I’ve ever encountered, I know we all can’t be Jerry Beck, but that doesn’t excuse the ignorance.

>>149245411
Not all of them, its just that the good ones are boring because they actually analyse something and offer behind the scenes knowledge.

It certainly doesnt help that they come off creepy when they are in their mid-30s and unironically criticise content for kids and toddlers, with a (hopefully) competely different mindset and awareness of quality than the intended audience. So effectively, they shouldnt even review certain cartoons.
The worst thing was when Phantomstrider, who makes content directed at children, ranked Peppa Pig videos. Like... you watched that dude? On your own?

>>149239806
Looks fine to me. I was at that panel where he showed off his pilot BTW, it was great

If I was in the industry, I wouldn't listen to youtube troons either. Not because they "aren't artists" or whatever bullshit because that's a myopic way of looking at things. The best athletic trainers were never former pro athletes afterall. But no it's because you are bound to either get a bunch of mixed signals when it comes to criticism or only look for a certain perspective on it (especially from a website so focused on censorship). This is why it is so hard for people who were previously successful to ever come back after "losing touch". Once you've lost capture of the zeitgeist there's no real guidestone to get yourself back. And for artists who were never in touch, I can't imagine it is much easier to finally "get it".

>>149245701
Honestly, anons are incels and yet here we are, discussing with them about the quality or non-quality of animation, movies and cartoons constantly.

Deos anyone know any cartoon reviewers like underated ones that are actaully good like the only legimetley good ones i can think of are robobuddies and anim8ball but those 2 have quite long ago

>>149238946 (OP)
This is just how systems in power behave when they’re under threat. They become more and more “inbred” in the sense that the only criticism they’ll accept is from people or institutions that they share significant premises and interests with. We’ve investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing. Denial stage that comics & cartoons are in the gutter and that they have no one to blame but themselves

>>149246478
There's one but he's stopped, Marsreviews.
He ended up giving up but his vids are great.

>>149246537
>exaggerated their personalities and opinions on films and creators.
This is correct though. The goal of a youtube cartoon reviewer is hardly providing thoughtful critique, it's making it fun.

>>149238946 (OP)
It's one of the reasons Pan's reviews stood out, he was not an avgn of cartoons, he talked understanding how shit gets made

this echo chamber thread is still up and its not even about a cartoon or comic...

>>149239107
>it's another "you can't criticize food if you're not a chef!!" episode
The opinion of a non expert/professional is valuable when it's self aware that it isn't an expert opinion. When someone is trying to sound smarter than they are or play up a persona their feedback becomes tainted and worthless.
Opinions shouldn't be performative.

>>149242438
Starship Troopers doesn’t work as satire because the bugs genuinely are awful and the humans are genuinely awesome. If they were bashing eggs while the queen screamed in anguish or burning entire exotic fungus libraries full of books you read through smell and spore down like wh40k does when it remembers the imperium sucks it might have worked but they cranked out four sequels that are just stupid action movies. If no one gets your point you’ve not made a good point.

>>149243237

Imagine being so annoying to everyone to even Mr. Enter

>>149247139
>because the bugs genuinely are awful
Honestly those fucking things look terrifying, why should we have sympathy for them?

>>149242438
>>149247139
>>149247280
This has always been my biggest issue with Starship Troopers. It doesn't fucking work as a "satire" of fascism or how the goverment only sees the rest of humanity as useless pawns, when they are fighting space locusts at actually will eat you alive if given the chance. If the bugs were at all intelligent and actively wanted to avoid fighting, that'd be one thing, but we are shown again and again that isn't the case, we are shown the opposite in fact, they are a hivemind that can't think for themselves. This would be like if in Aliens the humans were treated as bad because they don't want to be eaten by the Xenomorphs, there's a even a line in Aliens about Ripley snidely saying how at least they don't screw each other over a percentage line, which convey's its message more than the entireity of the Starship Troopers movies ever did.

>>149238946 (OP)
LS Mark is the only good review tuber because he's made a pilot with actual industry people and is making episode 2

>>149247592
I'm not a fan because he draws himself like a small kid BUT I agree that he achieved something, certainly more than the other whiny cartoon reviewers I watch/ watched. Now if he actually draws shit himself he has my props because those other assholes dont even draw their own avatars.

>>149245183
>I really don’t care
Yet you, like the attention seeking retard you are, cared enough to reply. Maybe people would take you more seriously if you didn’t spam your rule breaking toddler anime every time you post here. Or maybe just stop posting period.

>>149242517
I think a good first step, regardless of whether it's an e-celeb or a 4chan critique post, is to give examples of something you like, or that you feel instead achieved the intent of what the thing you are critiquing failed at. Tip your personal hand a little.

Just tearing stuff down is easy to do, even in bad faith and if your target didn't really evoke any strong reaction out of you. It's not the same as the opinion of an actual industry creator, but I have a lot more respect for the opinion of someone who is willing to open themselves to counter-criticism by holding up something they like as an example.

If it's a weak comparison, you can more easily dismiss the reviewer. If it's a good one, it makes the conversation less one-sided, reveals the reviewer's own tastes and biases a little and gives a potential recommendation.

>>149244946
I can imagine a (near) future when the games stop being the tip of the spear

>>149245183
Holy fucking shit is that Dreamstar Button Nose? Do you have all the episodes for it? Doesn't matter if they're not in English, maybe AI can sub it.
God all those Saban shows might become lost to time.

>>149243237
Kek, btfod by mr enter. Imagine having that fate.

>>149239107
>"you can't criticize food if you're not a chef!!"
Theres merit to that. Its called the dunning kruger effect.

>>149239107
I do feel like getting different opinions is better than being surrounded by yes men. A lot of people can't take criticism well at all, just look how much bike cuck changed.

>>149239806
Only good youtuber

>>149238996
I like his Pokemon reviews and overall does a decent job at analysing designs. Just sounds to me like your allowing your own petty grivances to cloud your judgement here.
>>149239529
>>149240692
What the fuck are you people taking about?

>>149238946 (OP)
It's refreshing to see someone actually mention AniMat in the discussion. Though the second guy is way off the mark and probably has a fragile ego because most of these guys are just infantile autists who hardly watch anything outside of children's cartoons, they don't have a holier-than-thou attitude. The only ones that do are grifters using media as an excuse to talk about politics.

>>149247280
Your mug might look terrifying to a lot of women, yet they don't shoot you on sight. Shouldn't you show some gratitude in return?

>>149239961
This. Plus being a "critic" is often self defeating as when you develop that mindset you're going to start needlessly nitpicking things and also eventually become overexposed to media which will make your tastes unaligned from the consumers you're recommending things to.

>>149240979
The chef analogy is always the worst one that anyone could pick because no, I don't care what you know about food theory or how much work you put into something if I take a bite of a piece of food and it tastes like laundry detergent mixed with dirt I'm going to throw it away and say it's shit and that you're a shit cook and no amount of over-intellectualizing and grandstanding can possibly justify any point to the contrary.

>>149242517
I'm sure there's lots of ways to do it, but just based on what I do with people I know IRL it's usually:
> I liked this part because it made me feel this way
> I thought this was fun, cool, exciting, scary and it made me imagine extended scenarios in the same vein that I thought were also cool
> I didn't like this part because it just seemed to drag and made me clock out from the movie
> When this happened I thought it was stupid due to this internal logic guiding either the characters choices or the creative process
> I thought that if this thing had happened instead of if the story was rearranged to include these elements it would've been better

>>149242621
This. Fuck the industry and the fags complaining $50 an hour is slave labor and that people should like brown lesbian destroys the white man 92: electric boogaloo more than good story from the past.

>>149243005
I think they both suck. Industry people tend to be ass and so are the critics. The only critical reviews I value are those that I hear from regular people IRL who are speaking as a member of the general audience. Anything else is typically tripe

>youtubers with no experience and no skills vs animators and writers with no introspection and no humility

>>149243176
It depends. Is that "industry professional" some idiot nepo baby that thinks A.I. is totally going to save us money so my their uncle can get a bigger bonus next quarter and that it's problematic I don't want the main character to be a brown, jewish, feminist and is the "random nobody" member of the general audience who actually watches cartoons?

>>149243270
> Even the lowliest creator is still well above the "highest" consumer
So you shouldn't listen to the person who will spend money on buying the thing you make if they like it but instead listen to someone who made a failed show no one likes? That's not even hyperbole that's exactly what you said kek

>>149243870
> It was in MOVIE
> that means it's RIGHT

>>149244946
> But think of the profit margins!
Every single time

>>149247280
Because White people bad

>>149238996
I had some respect for Literature Devil but over the years he started feeling more like a grifter who doesn't have more than the same 5 things to say. Like, the fucker is still making videos about Legend of Korra and The Last Jedi in current year. Don't you have literally anything else to talk about?? It's been fucking years

>>149245479
>It certainly doesnt help that they come off creepy when they are in their mid-30s and unironically criticise content for kids and toddlers, with a (hopefully) competely different mindset and awareness of quality than the intended audience.
It's why I like creators like Athena P, because she clearly states that her stuff is exaggerations, and her looking into the "lore" of preschool shows is just for fun.

>>149242018
For me it's that story where he told some industry person that he was "that reviewer guy" as if he expected people to know who he was

>>149249580
He is one of those vermin that cries about "toxic fandoms", a self-entitled brat with a god complex who can't handle any criticism. The kind responsible for the star wars sequels. A worthless arrogant piece of dross who needs to be put in its place. Don't bother reasoning with that sub-human freak.

>>149240598
QRD?

>>149239924
Nigger, this is a single pic stop assuming shit