I thought of that list of comics that were supposedly in the public domain that one preportedly /m/fag raved about last night. I thought "Nah, no fucking way". I went to copyright.gov in their public records. After realizing Marvel switched from Canam to Atlas on their later titles I was able to look up the copyright numbers. Here's the results, it was real, only issues 42 through 48 are present. The first forty one issues of Journey Into Mystery really never renewed their copyright on time in the 80s. It wasn't just a string of Strange Tales.

>>149244901 (OP)
Anyone know what characters were in Journey Into Mystery #1-41 before Thor took over the title?

>>149244901 (OP)
For example if anyone here wants to up and reprint these, do recolors, slap them on shirts and mugs, or narrate them on YouTube then congrats, the Mouse can't legally stop anyone.

>>149244928
Going through it now, issue 22 has a flying Titanic.

>>149244986
Issue 30 has a proto Invisible Woman called "The Lady Who Vanishes" so if anyone wants discount Sue Storm just keep cosmic rays out of her origin.

>>149244901 (OP)
Most interesting

>>149245023
And last interesting thing I found was a killer pharaoh in issue 36. Up until issue 49 JIM seemed to be mostly gothic horror. Perfect for Halloween!

Alright, about to deep dive on the Marvel Fandom to see if any interesting stories pop up.

https://marvel.fando.com/wiki/Journey_Into_Mystery_Vol_1

>>149244901 (OP)
I'd be careful with this because there is still some debate going on about whether these were renewed or not, because no one's sure if the records weren't entered in yet

Issue 17 has a reprint from a different comic line, not sure if Adventures Into Terror issue 13 has its copyright expired. Issue 18 had a reprint for Strange Tales 13. Most of what the first twenty issues involve:

-One offs dying (more than one named Bill)
-Vampires
-Zombies
-Ghosts
-Satan (not Mephisto or Satannish) or Death

>>149245345
Issue 21 had two reprints from Journey Into Unknown Worlds, they're definitely upping aliens from here on out. A version of Hermes appears in issue 26 and a calculator that sends its creator to another planet. The Marvel Fandom has a lot of missing stuff after issue 5. Issue 29 has the same thing but for elephant ghosts.

>>149245414
Issue 31 has a reprint from Uncanny Tales 53 and a version of the Uranians depicted as little green cyclopses. Issues 36, 39, a d 40 have a version of Plutonian. Issues 37 and 38 both feature sea serpents. Mars comes up a lot. Issue 40 has a reprint from Marvel Takes 140. Last few issues has a thing for time travel.

Aaaaaaand that's all folks! Someone should inform horror and pulpy sci-fi fans about all this.

>>149245099
>Perfect for Halloween!
And yet here you are posting it in the middle of summer. Foreshame, anon.
>>149245572
Someone on staff had a thing for Pluto it seems. Almost as if it was so mysterious you want to journey into it- Hey wait a second!

>>149244901 (OP)
>Shit ton.of Marvel stories turned out to be public domain
>Fin Fang Foom's debut is the only one anyone cares about

Bittersweet, man.

>>149244901 (OP)
Fantagraphics rise up!

Gif related for finding out about this.
>>149245938
But who will tell them? Not like /co/ has a bunch only anons and lurkers that have blogs or news channels. Or even go to r/PublicDomain and post the screen cap OP made.
>>149245572
Depictions of aliens from Uranus are so damn rare.

>>149246016
>who will tell them?
You will.

>>149245938
>>149246016
They likely know but they have a deal with Marvel to do reprints of stuff Marvel doesn't feel like doing anyway. Since the deal allows them to also reprint stuff that's still copyrighted (like Dominic Fortune) they're likely to still play ball with Marvel and Disney.

>>>/x/40647181
Just informed /x/ of this discovery. Based.

>>149246199
I don't think they care and if they do nobody posted yet.

>>149244901 (OP)
Holy based

>>149246535
/co/mmrades are barely caring about this, we're already at page 8.

>>149246941
Sad shit

>>149247017
Well these are all one of stories and not really capeshit.

What the hell was in issue 42 that made Marvel go "well shit let's renew all these"?

>>149247402
It might've been someone figured out "wait, we still need to renew these" because 1985 would be the last year they could renew stuff from 1957

>>149247715
Doesn't look JIM had anything outside of one shots before Thor anyway.

>>149247402
Issue 43 used the term "Invisible Woman", high chance they realized that they almost lost the trademark just in time.

Going through that list on DA the /m/ anon posted, noticed a lot of Strange Tales monsters. Aside from what is on PDSH Wikia Grogg and Gargantus were also in that run. How much of those two specifically could you use in a PD work?

>>149244901 (OP)
Aw man, that's awesome to know. At this rate I might be able to use the characters from those one-off horror stories in my webcomic as a cool reference, that would be crazy. I take it this happened to Strange Tales too and in a few years this will also apply to Tales Of Suspense, Tales To Astonish, and other pre-superhero Atlas titles?
>>149244928
How about you read some yourself you lazy fag? They're fun, think bite-sized Twilight Zone stories but a bit more horror-focused at first, and there's zero continuity to worry about so you can start from any cover that looks cool to you
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Journey-Into-Mystery-1952

>>149248510
Strange Tales 85 through 99 and the first two issues of Tales of Suspense and Tales To Astonish all had this renewel fail. Also so e 10 issue series Marvel did in 46 called Kid Komics.

>>149248439
Grogg is a fucking minefield, he's had half a dozen appearances in the 21st century. At the very least avoid anything more than a background joke like in a newspaper or a toy and don't refer to him by name. Silver Surfer did this with Ron and got away with it. Gargantus on the other hand might be okay? His three reappearances were in different colors but someone correct me.

>>149248606
>Silver Surfer TAS
>Rom

>>149248606
For his two appearances in Strange Tales:

>Issue 80, harasses a bathysphere right after a tiger shark swims up to it, said to be 200 feet tall, bubbles come out his mouth while underwater, turns from blue to orange when in sunlight, walks in land, goes to a airport a d almost had a jet fly into his head, goes to a zoo and picks up an African elephant, trashes two howitzers upon entering a city and causing a panic, tanks two missiles, briefly turns yellow while monologuing, calls himself Gigantis (lol), passes out from the thin atmosphere
That's the shit to avoid.
>Issue 85, recap of bathysphere harassment, turning blue to orange, ship crew calls him a behemoth, two howitzers fire on him, passes out via thin atmosphere, years passed and son from first story wants to find Gargantus again after his dad died, two sailors say don't do it bro, friends tell him don't when he gets in a small sub, monster's shadow spotted, Gargantus wakes up, a panel of a dunkleosteus (?), son gets his dad's bathysphere to save the sub via spraying inky black chemical and claws (/m/ would love this guy), Gargantus attacks a big yellow boat, Gargantus remembers the kid, clearly the monster shrunk to like 50ish feet based on scale, fails to kill him on the docks so he goes for a stroll, cars pile up in awe, Gargantus calls humans mortal, rips part of the road off (back to old size), called Menacing Mammoth by narrator, interrupts a space movie with knights, soldiers with guns almost fire but don't, son challenges Gargantus to a duel under the sea and accepts, monster brags ocean pressure doesn't bother him, bathysphere electrocutes Gargantus (narrator calls him savage)
All what happened, might be good.
>Avengers Assemble, all green and no trunks, two toes instead of three, knows Hulk, red eyes, tried running away from Atlanteans led by Attuma
Also not okay.

Going to check his other appearances just to be safe.

>>149248943
>Monsters on The Prowl 2005, now all blue/green on land, vanished during a battle in NY, stomps on Hulk, teams up with other monsters including Grogg because he is capturrd/controlled by The Collector who Mole Man freed from his museum under Canada, Foom is completely orange to boot so that part ain't PD, confirms first two stories were in NYC, Hulk doesn't remember Groot so this took place so e time before Hulk Annual issue 5, has his shit knocked in by Hank Pym, unlike previous stories he just roars instead of talks, close up shows yellow eyes, Gargantus drools a lot here
Seems to be the modern interpretation of the character as this has its own figure.
>Thunderbolts Annual 2014, gray with reddish lips, part of a monster dungeon ran by Elsa Bloodstone to guard a necklace, Deadpool and Elektra are sent there, monsters (unlikely higher than 25 feet tall) all slaughtered, same issue has Frank Castle telling Flash Thompson to stop having sex and focus on the mission
Not okay but more of an off color cameo, maybe Gargantus had a kid I dunno
>Vengeance 2011 issue 1, Nighthawk flies by him at dusk, Kranf apparently knows Gargantus, looks tannish but hard to tell, keeps the longer tail from MotP, back fin is more consistent with Strange Tales version, just stomping through a building
Also not okay.

>>149249275
>Krang
Namor villain BTW

So reading these summaries one could use Gargantus as long as you don't:

>Go to an airport especially if he dodges a jet to the head
>Picks up an elephant
>Change him to blue, green, gray, or tan when he's destroying New York City
>Under the control of an alien or monster hunter
>Dorsal fins with consistent length
>Have him be drooling and or incomprehensive like an animal
>Be a robot (Marvel had a robot cave man of the same name in Tales of Suspense issue 40)
>Have two toes on his feet
>Red eyes or lips
>Have him guard a magical item
>Make him less than 30 feet tall
>Have him die chopped up by assassins and/or fourth wall breaking mercenaries
>Team him up with other monsters
>Call him Gigantis
>Make his tail serpentine

That everything?

>>149248943
>>149249275
>>149249505
The amount of autism in these posts are beautiful.

>>149249525
Now we wait for someone to make a copypasta image.

>>149249505
You should add "any associations with Atlantis" just to be safe.

>>149249949
More like "don't have them associated with Namor enemies or runaway from Atlanteans".

Also someone do this level of autism but for Grogg, please.
>>149248614
Shhhh, Hasbro employees might lurk in here. I think. I forget who the hell owns Rom.

>>149250377
Checking Grogg now. Howling Commandos version uses flame breath a d green sure, but unlike the old version he isn't orange at any point, is spelled Grog, is used as a transport like Monsteo in Pinocchio/Kingdom Hearts, aused on Merlin, nd has a a battle station on his back. Green only version in Earth's Mightiest Heroes comics under mind control by the Leader (Hulk villain), does not look like this one wears trunks. Big in Japan comics has FF communicating with him, tries luring other monsters out of Japan in a seni-heroic role. Got beat by a guy named Drop in an X-Men comic

>>149250654
Super Hero Squad version gave him purple trunks and a minion of Mole Man that ficked off once mind control wore off. In the X-Men comic he teamed up with Doom, Groot, Krakoa, Goom, and an Easter. Island Head monster I don't recognize. Also seeing Sabertooth meditating in the same issue is weird for such a savage supervillain.

>>149250747
>Foom
Damn autocorrect. Will check his Strange Tales appearances

>>149250758
>Issue 80 has him orange on the cover while green in the story
>Issue 87 has him green on the cover while orange on the story

If you put this guy in PD work I'd suggest a recolor. I don't think even Marvel knows what color he is supposed to be. At least Foom is a canon shape shifter so his color changes make sense.

>>149250874
*83 not 80

>>149250913
83 plays out as

>Russia wants to set off a bomb
>Villagers (Mongolians?) tell them that'll awake Grogg
>Do it anyway
>Fucker wakes up and wrecks a village before goes after the reds
>Nose flanes a cargo plane
>Everyone runs to a cave, Grogg goes after them, Scirntist escapes thinking Grogg is an ancient species of dragon the Great Wall was made to stop (oh get, I seen Great Wall with Matt Damon too!)
>Scientist also shoots a captor in the back

87 goes about
>Recap
>Scientist gets told by Russian farmer Grogg has been rampaging villages and shipyards
>Find Grogg in a snowy area
>Mouth flames before flying off
>Heroes steal a rocket to send him to Mars
>Scientist uses a torch to get Grogg 's attention, is briefly caught
>Sets off rocket
>Uses snowman Grogg and a flashlight to make shadow on the rocket's door, Grogg goes inside
>End

Grogg is also more consistent in size like 50 feet-ish looking at the panels.

>>149251070
Basically what you CAN do with him:

>Be Russian
>Awakes from weapon testing
>Main hero is a scientist that defects to America and teams up with a farmer
>Countryside rampage and destroying boats (probably not planes)
>Animal instincts and can be tricked with shadow puppets
>Send him on a rocket to Mars
>Flames out the nose AND mouth

Can't do:

>Team up with other monsters, like at all, at least not while orange colored
>Have long bat wings
>Go to Japan
>Have his species be the reason the Great Wall was built
>Shoot down a plane carrying the main hero
>Chase major characters into a cave (I guess random villagers are fair game?)
>Be mind controlled or in an alien museum
>Serve a military force featuring monsters to fight magicians puke Merlin
>Give him a backpack with guns
>Shorten the name to Grog
>Make his trunks purple

Am I missing anything or is that all?

>/co/ actually reading comics and analyzing them for discussion beyond just the memes
If I had a nickel for every time- No, not worth it. Old joke is old. And how the fuck have only two images been posted so far on this thread?

>>149247402
Probably only noticed then

>>149248510
>How about you read some yourself you lazy fag?
Rude. A thread full of discussion fuels interest, you know.

>>149251136
>>Team up with other monsters, like at all, at least not while orange colored

I think you can do the team-up with other monsters. It just can't be Marvel's.

>>149245284
ding ding ding ding ding ding ding

a gov website is not going to cover your ass if these things are in fact not PD and you did not do due diligence to find out if they were

>>149245345
this is another problem, just because the content of a particular issue appears to have become PD doesn't mean it isn't copyright in another form - if it was reprinted somewhere else and that copyright is current, it doesn't matter that it was also printed in an issue that didn't get renewed

in fact, since the name would be copyright as long as some of the issues were, if the contents of many of them were either reprint or became reprint, the smart thing to do would be just not give a shit about re-registering them all - the content is covered elsewhere if that's the case

but the baseline problem with this is that JiM doesn't even become a Thor title until #83

you're all jizzing about the possibility of ripping off stories that nobody cared about when they were published, let alone today, to sell to an imaginary audience to piss off "the mouse"

Welp, I made this, copyright experts feel free to debunk.

>>149246558
based on what