I just watched Future for the first time. Finishing it was painful. There was ONE decent episode (the one with two Lapis Lazulis) and the rest was almost unwatchable. I would take ten waffles episodes of TTG over more SU. How is this getting a spin-off?

>>149250392 (OP)
The Peridot and White Pearl episodes were also decent but yeah it was mostly horrible. Just genuinely awful to the point where it retroactively tainted the entire series. It is telling that the spin-off seems to be avoiding earth entirely.

>>149250392 (OP)
>How is this getting a spin-off?
Industry nepotism and nothing more.

>>149250492
The Peridot episode was by far my favorite

>>149250633
SU was reasonably successful despite the creator being an awful showrunner and even attempting to crash the whole thing in season five inadvertently leading to Future being a rushed mess. It had quite a bit of merch too. I think CN is just trying to make a few bucks off of the license again.

>>149250492
Man, that is legit the worst part of it. Insisting on some half-baked "muh trauma" plot and all the character assassination that was handed out like shitty christmas cards...

>>149250392 (OP)
Bunch of Twitter-like Sentimentalism Bullshit.

>>149250694
I am a card carrying Perifag so I am sure that clouds my judgement on it somewhat but it felt like it understood what a trauma themed SU arc should be about more than most of Future. The gems helping Steven though the same sort of genuine friendship he showed to them in their times of need without any of the overly edgy Steven bullshit that plagued most of Future. The other gem themed episodes in Future were either awkward or were only good because they mostly ignored Steven's bullshit in favor of a plot centered around them like the Lapis episode.

>>149250865
Think Future could have been better if instead it focused on Steven still helping the Gems who hadn't quite found themselves? Like, instead of "Oops! Your messiah a-broken! Helping people will always leave you an emotional mess just like them" shit, it was about Steven Universe and the future.

>>149250865
>I am a card carrying Perifag
Same
>The gems helping Steven though the same sort of genuine friendship he showed to them in their times of need without any of the overly edgy Steven bullshit that plagued most of Future
Honestly it felt like Peridot was the most helpful of them all, Steven was only really happy when she was around

>>149250922
I think it could have been about half that and about half the gems paying Steven back by helping him with his own issues. I don't so much have a problem with Steven having emotional problems and the dynamic switching from him saving the gems to the gems saving him but the execution was so godawful and edgy. That stuff where he murdered Jasper, hurt Greg and tried murdering White felt completely out of character and the bit where he turned into a goddamned dinosaur was a special kind of stupid.
>>149250966
Exactly. The episodes with his gem family felt hollow and the episodes with the other gems sort of got away from the main plot of Future while the human episodes felt like they were just there to further Steven's angst. The Peridot episode felt genuine in a way the others didn't.
It is fucking criminal that we didn't have a Pearl, Garnet or Amethyst episode on that level.

>>149251080
>The Peridot episode felt genuine in a way the others didn't.
It was a real breath of fresh air after their horrendous mistake of sidelining Peri, to me that was the most criminal thing the crewniverse had ever done

>>149251134
Agreed. I also thought it was interesting how they had Steven give her the classic shirt in the last episode. She got the most emotional send-off of any of the gems despite being a side gem which I though was a sweet way of acknowledging how well their friendship was written throughout the series.

Reminder that Steven/Peridot was the best ship

>>149251438
I just wish Peridot was not a side gem and was actually a Crystal Gem. If she actually joined the main cast when she officially become a CG this show would have been way more successful
>>149251471
It was endgame

>>149251524
I blame Zuke. Her bullshit is what got Peridot and Lapis barn'd.

>>149251572
It was her idea but it was Sugar who agreed to do it, she even drew lapidot herself and only realized she fucked up when Zuke started going off the rails

>>149251572
I feel sorry for Lapis. She was just an entirely different character post-Zuke and unlike Peri nobody in the writing room seemed to care about fixing her that much.

>>149251636
>unlike Peri nobody in the writing room seemed to care about fixing her that much.
I'm 90% sure her purpose was to show that someone can be an abusive toxic cunt even if they don't look like they are. From the start she was awful to everyone including Peridot and left them to die

>>149250745
Literally they Turned Nordic Kratos into a Pussy Steven universe.

>>149251667
Season one Lapis was damaged but she had a sense of humor and was gentle and sad when talking to Steven one on one despite her brief decent into villainy.
The cunty stuff only started when she showed back up post-Jasper rape and most of the time the show acted like was sympathetic despite her being awful 95% of the time. The one time she wasn't supposed to be is the episode where she took the barn and it was implied that Peri was scared of her which felt like an intentional way to finally destroy the barning and Zuke's attempts at pairing the two up.
Basically she was an incredibly botched character even by SU standards.

>>149251734
Anon most "villains" in this show (for example pre redemption Peridot) were just following orders while blue cunt just wanted to kill and abuse. Steven helped her and she repaid him by stealing his planet's ocean and almost killed him and his family right after he saved her from eternal punishment

>>149250736
What character assassination? People say this bullshit but consistently expose that they didn't pay attention to the series. Steven was a whiny mess from the beginning and we act shocked that he's a whiny mess in Future and it's suddenly character assassination?
>>149251080
None of that was out of character. Steven never resolved his feelings of White and White Diamond scarred Steven the most. Steven snapped before at Greg too when Greg let him down in the original series. The Jasper stuff genuinely was awesome.

>>149250865
The series always had the Gems' problems handled through messy actions comparable to Steven's edge in Future. Pearl and Amethyst did so much fucked shit to Steven that it's only consistent Steven has fucked up lashing of his own. He was raised entirely in an environment where that kind of thing was commonplace.

>>149252019
Steven, Greg, Sadie and Lars... pretty much everyone who wasn't a Gem that received entire focus episodes got revealed retroactively to be a turd of one flavor or another.

>>149250392 (OP)
I'd say the best ones are the one about pink pearl, the one in homeworld and the lapis one
The peridot one is cool cuz peridot but it's still pretty mediocre... tho I like the part with the yellow pineapple

>>149252035
>>149250865
A big part of the series is that issues spiraled and the characters lashed out at each other in a speculator fashion before any problem's handled. And a lot of SU forced Steven to bottle his feelings away to make the Gems feel better. It only makes sense that the Gems wouldn't know how to handle Steven and his feelings. They're not human, they were never equipped with the ability to handle Steven's therapy. The entire point and appeal of the Gems is that they were flawed. They would be genuine and help Steven AFTER Steven has his edgy lashout, it makes the most sense for drama and what Steven himself went through.
>>149252046
Sadie and Lars weren't made turds. Lars is more mature and mellow than he's ever been. Sadie is the same character she's always been (in fact, she was shittier in the original series since she intentionally trapped Lars on a fucking ISLAND anon!), she just moved on and grew up. Greg is the same he's always been. He never became a turd, how on earth did he get assassinated?
>>>Steven
Not a single moment in Future was character assassination. This is revisionism. Steven was a mess in the original series, you forget but Steven's big arc was forcing himself to bottle everything up and be forced to with everyone's problems. Steven had to get used to being nearly murdered with no proper conclusion or acknowledgement of Steven being forced to grow up early nor the numerous fucked up things the Gems did to him. Steven was very whiny and lashed out a lot in the show, he always yearned a normal human life and to grow up alongside Connie and the Gems. Steven was a mess and Future finally followed up on it.

>"Steven attacking Jasper is out of character!!"
Multiple episodes like Steven and the Stevens show that Steven gets violent if his ego gets bruised too much.

Whoa. An unironic Future fan showed up. I didn't think you people existed.

>>149252199
Future is a flawed show I'm just sick of the retarded "out of character" complaint from people who never paid attention.

>>149252059
>The peridot one is cool cuz peridot

All I wish was for a better finale.
I'll NEVER get over how those brain dead writters just solved everything with one hug
It's not even the hug that makes me mad it's how quickly they solved everything after all that build up
And you know what's the worst part? It wasn't because they were running short on time because there was a WHOLE ANOTHER EPISODE AFTER THAT AHHH I HATE THEM SO MUCH WHYYYY
They had the time they had it but they just wanted to have some anime wanna-be ending with the full outro song playing and Steven saying goodbye and crying

>>149250392 (OP)
Ugh, we get it, you like badly written LGBTQXYZ bullshit. Go to/lgbt

>>149252317
Think about it
Have White Diamond's new power work on Steven but instead of letting Steven talk thru her he just takes over her and boom the problem is now double and the gems are overwhelmed and they blame each other and themselves and the townnies are running away
and while all that happens on the outside White finds herself in a pink and black void and the gist of it is that she is gonna have a face-to-face moment with Steven on the inside(they'll both be proportionally sized) while on the outside the others struggle to keep Steven and White at bay before realising what they need to do isn't fight him but show him love! then you could have a scene of the gems hugging him and crying.
like ANYTHING othern then a 30 seconds scene of them crying one after the other before going "oh right we can just do this!"

The Diamonds crying and acting like little girls was so pathetic.