Thread 149255636

Why was she everywhere in the 2000s?

>>149255636 (OP)
Bendis.

>>149255675
Brian Michael Bendis? The writer?

>>149255706
The writer, Brian Michael Bendis.

>>149255636 (OP)
Bendis.

>>149255636 (OP)
Have you ever heard the tale of the infamous Bendis?

>wahhh wahhhh Bendis reeeeeee
stop falling for obvious ragebait you faggots

>>149255636 (OP)
Short answer: Bendis

Long answer: Bendis put her on the New Avengers and several Avengers rosters afterwards

And Marvel made a concerted effort to focus on her, give her minis and other team books systematically downsized the Spider-Man family so that they could have more focus on the remaining few (Peter, Jessica, Anya as Spider-Girl and Kaine as Scarlet Spider)

But then Miles was created
And then the Spider-Verse happened and both Spider-Gwen and Silk got introduced
and Gwen quickly eclipsed both of them in popularity

>>149256136
I'm not baiting, I'm being genuine. I remember seeing that specific version of Spiderwoman all over the place back in the day, and now she's just gone.

>>149255636 (OP)
Why was Bendis so obsessed with making up more and more spider people and then sticking them into every Avengers incarnation Marvel had?

Spider-Man never seemed like much of a Superman/Flash family type of hero, but around 2008 there were a shitload of spider powered people fucking around in Marvel.

>>149256185
He didn't create Jessica, Jessica was around in the late 70s/early 80s as Spider-Woman

He picked Jessica because one of his favorite comics when he was a kid was Avengers Annual #10, which had her in it

SEXicca Drew

>>149255636 (OP)
Because Bendis was everywhere in the 2000s and Spider-Woman was his waifu.

>>149256185
he only made Miles and everyone else in 1610 is just a variant (like Jessica), then man you're looking to complain about is Dan Slott

>>149256382
Can't blame him

>>149256362
Are those wookies?

>>149256625
No, they are Woodies, as you can see they are quite hard on her

another Jessica thread so soon?

>>149257108
everything on /co/ seems to want to keep the same thread on here forever

>>149256382
Bendis' waifu is Kitty

>>149257286
He has two waifus and a husbando (Luke Cage)

>>149255636 (OP)
Is she though?

>>149255636 (OP)
I don't know probably because they were doing spider people a lot and I actually liked all the books I read but I am behind on weed in her paperback volumes.

>>149257500
Just think, if Bendis had his way Jessica Jones wouldn't exist and it would be Jessica Drew getting blacked by Luke Cage

>>149257500
>and a husbando
You mean self insert

Built for Carol.

>>149258695
His self insert is Jessica Jones so Luke Cage can insert himself into Bendis

>>149255636 (OP)
Bendis and brazilian artists and others who always make Jessica hot, were comic books made to entertain, today with Disney's Nu Marvel Jessica is drawn like a trannie, androgynous without fat ass or sexy poses, mediocre art and stories made by people who have never read anything from Marvel.

>>149256146
Honestly, that was way better than they Spider-Verse bullshit. There was never supposed to be a "Spider-Family" in the first place. Peter and Jessica rarely interacted, Anya barely appeared, and Kaine was doing his own thing.

>Time to use my venom attack!
>*shoots electricity*
SPIDER-WOMAN IS STUPID!

>>149260045
Anya was given her own chances during this era. Multiple attempts at a Spider-Girl solo, minis, a team book, a whole arc starring in Avengers Assemble

She just does not fucking sell

>>149258671
Bendis having his way is why we have Jones at all and if he didn't get his way we wouldn't be dealing with this shit at all

>>149255636 (OP)
character pushes are usually copyright and lawsuit related. like captain marvel.

>>149255675
this

he wanted her hair

It's pretty funny that Spider-Woman and She-Hulk exist for basically the exact same reason and debuted only a year or two apart, yet absolutely nobody (other than Bendis, anyway) gives a fuck about Jessica Drew.

Julia was always cooler

>>149260473
I about gives fuck Jessica Drew a

>>149260502
objectively correct post

those sweet titties

>>149260473
There's that old saying "Every character is someone's favorite" and I believe it's still a philosophy creators should hold too, but sometimes there's someone who tells you a character is their favorite and you just have to wonder WHY? What moments or issues pushed this character? I'll even accept the pure sex appeal option honestly in the case of a lot of female characters but really? Spider-woman? Is the next break out creator gonna suddenly push Turbo? Is Shadow Woman gonna be a break out star?

>>149260502
>Cooler costume
>Cooler powers
>Was on the superior Avengers team
>Did the super hero mother thing in a way that actually made some amount of sense
She was robbed

>>149260588
>Turbo
>New Warriors character flying around in a costume canonically created to kill ROM
love this shit. the influence of the dire wraiths is ever felt

>>149260502
I hope that someone who grew up loving Julia in Secret Wars and Freedom Force and WCA gets a job at Marvel soon

>>149260588
I feel like a lot of the Hickman stuff was this

fuckin Smasher? and not even a Smasher anybody cares about, just an excuse to draw a big giant ass? lame

>>149260588
Lumping Sepulchre into a Spider-people team because she used to wear Jess's outfit would be funny, so maybe.

I have most of her comics. 1-50 of the first run. But it seems like later on they made her into a lesbian or a IM LE STRONK WOMAN AND AM PREGNANT garbage.

>>149256657
GOON TIME

>>149262142
What are your feelings about Lindsay?

>>149262142
I only know her series because it's where Siren first showed up.

>>149262191
>What if Banshee was actually a girl?
Amazing it took until then.

>>149262175
Sex.

>>149262247
And what would you say are the most important parts of Jessica's personality and the kinds of adventures she has?

>>149262360
probably her hair

>>149255675
>>149255706
>>149255721
>>149256052
THE Brian Michaels Bendis. Yup. That's him.

>>149262360
>>149262383
I really wish they kept the big hair look. Same for she hulk.
Also: SEX.

>>149255636 (OP)
Big butt

>>149260685
>>149260502
HAHAHAHA

>>149262442
>>My tongue trying to force itslef through her suit

Captcha: VGVAJ (very good vajina)

>>149262494
I hate 2000's Marvel.

>>149262494
Eat shit

>>149262412
>really wish they kept the big hair look. Same for she hulk.
She-Hulk went to straight shit when they stopped drawing her with big hair.

>>149262551
Imagine the smell after she shampoos her hair and blow dries it

>>149260099
It was a big push, too. It was THE thing that made Marvel actually commit to killing off the Mayday Spider-Girl series. The instant it finally ended they relaunched the Spider-Girl title starring Anya. It was then immediately fucking canceled after 8 issues, with her dangling plot threads wrapped up in a 3-issue Spider-Island event tie-in miniseries. What an absolute trainwreck.

>>149262682
>It was then immediately fucking canceled after 8 issues,

And yet

>>149260502
I'll never forgive Marvel for disrespecting Julia so much

>>149262494
context?

>>149262741
Civil War. To hazard a guess.

>>149262778
but I'm asking who are those people

>>149262831
You asked for context not specifics. And basic reasoning skills should let you make your own educated guess. You fucking moron.

>>149262853
oh gee I guess I'll ask again
"who are the mom and child and what's happening here and why did Carol just knock her mom out?"
willingness to help is really lost on this board nowadays

>>149262831
Julia Carpenter, the second Spider-Woman, joined Carol's team during Civil War
But she was secretly helping her boyfriend Shroud run an underground railroad and helped superheroes escape federal custody

Carol found out that Julia was a traitor so she brought a team of Cape-Killers to arrest her before Julia could escape and go on the lam with her daughter Rachel
They beat up Julia and physically ripped her away from her daughter and Carol felt bad

Later Julia escaped custody and tried to fight Araña to find out where her daughter was but Araña beat her up easily, off panel

Eventually Carol worked out a deal where Julia and Rachel could leave the US but were forced to work for Department H in Canada as part of the short lived Omega Flight

>>149262879
I really don't like how gay and political they have made comics. But at the same time I love the "who watches the watchmen" aspect of super hero politics. Like the whole civil war shit is so fucking stupid because Captain America and Iron Man would never fight against each other but they plot it where it has to happen because marvel is creatively bankrupt.

>>149260502
>Dressed in black
>Her ex-husband is actually dead
Wait a second...

>>149262879
man Carol always gets the short end of the stick during Civil War events huh, both times she's written extremely out of character

>>149262987
The whole civil war was just a retread of some shit they already tried in the 80s

>>149263015
I thought that was exactly the point of it "uh let's do this again!!" Isn't Secret Invasion also a part of just rehashing all of that?

>>149263040
Well let's put it this way. When EMH adapted Secret Invasion it was less an adaptation of the actual comic and more an adaptation of a book from Waid's Cap run

Honestly, I don't understand what Jessica had going on except for her sexy costume...
Is her first run even good.

>>149260502
Shes quite fine too, but Jessica is sexo incarnate

>>149262442
>Frank Cho's delicious amazons
He is a gift to superheroines.

>>149263473
>what Jessica had going on except for her sexy costume
nothing, everything she has came from someone else or has been later attributed to someone else

>>149256146
>Long answer: Bendis put her on the New Avengers and several Avengers rosters afterwards
Longer answer: Bendis wrote out the two heroines who had historically been the main female characters in Avengers, Wasp and Scarlet Witch, and began a concentrated push to replace them with Spider-Woman and Carol as Ms Marvel as the main women of Avengers.

After Bendis left Avengers, the Carol push mutated into her becoming Captain Marvel, while Jessica got taken by the Spider-Man office, who have kept trying to make her happen as a solo character.

>>149256314
You can always tell the only 70s and 80s Marvel stories Bendis actually read before he got into the industry because they're the only ones he ever references.

>>149260502
Truth.

>>149260730
The things I would do for a real Wackos book

>>149260588
>but sometimes there's someone who tells you a character is their favorite and you just have to wonder WHY? What moments or issues pushed this character?
To be fair, even to Benis' tastes in favorites, it's not really something you can control, especially if you're at a young enough age when you first see them. Maybe it's a character's costume design just looked really cool to you, maybe the character was in one of the first comics you read or superhero cartoons you saw. Sometimes it can even be just some lower-tier character with a minor role that you just thought was really cool.

It's like asking why a specific character is your waifu, it just happens and you can't really control it.

>>149262879
Why the Shroud of all people? I don't think they'd even met before that story suddenly had them together. And IIRC, Carol recruited Julia and some other former Avengers like Wonderman into a squad to help SHIELD hunt down renegade superheroes resisting the Registration Act, and Julia had just assumed "we're not actually doing this for real, we're just pretending, and 'somehow' everyone we're hunting will escape from us" only to find the others were indeed doing it for real.

>>149263015
To be fair, when they tried a Superhuman Registration story in the 80s, it was pitched as an idea for an event, but got downgraded to a sub-plot within Acts of Vengeance, largely dealt with in tie-in stories that didn't treat it seriously. More than fifteen years of increasing threat escalation, violence and civilian casualties in Marvel stories meant that the idea of the public and the politicians really having had enough by 2006 wasn't that bad an idea.

>>149262247
>you can tell it's Claremont without even having to be told

>>149264244
>>149260502
She belongs to spider-verse too?

>>149264426
Yeah, she's Madam Web now and just wears a trench coat I can't even remember the last time she interacted with any of the WCA characters

>>149264244
She is so best Jessica stole everything from her, including the mother aspect.

>>149264443
I vaguely remember there being a story in Waid's Daredevil run with her and Shroud if that counts

>>149264445
hack Marvel writers and their favoritism

>>149264426
Dan Slott made it so all the Spider-Women and Spider-Men throughout history were tied to this thing called the Web of Life and Destiny, and they're all hunted by a bunch of bullshit OP energy vampires called Inheritors.

>>149265733
Bleh

>>149255636 (OP)
secret war and new avenger by brian michael bendis the writer.

>>149260730
one can hope