Transformers Prime had it's flaws but it was the closest we've come to Beast Wars of having nearly every character on both the "good" and "bad" teams being memorable and well executed.

You have your Scorponoks and Dreadwings being kinda stock/throwaway, but we're generally speaking here. Prime was flawed and in ways fumbled the ball, but it still had more to value than most and certainly in the upper echelon of TF shows.

>>149260754 (OP)
yee, second best soundwave to g1 cartoon

>>149260754 (OP)
Yeah I always guessed the extreme haters of Prime were just CN fags mad they didn't have pay channels thus were left out of Prime discussion. It wasn't worse than the Unicorn trilogy, and about on par with Animated depending which flaws you find more fatal

>>149260754 (OP)
I actually felt bad for BW Scorponok because I always have a soft spot for the most loyal henchman, makes you wonder what kind of past he had with Megs for being his only true loyal follower at the beginning of the series. Wouldn't mind if Inferno or Waspinator had bitten the dust in his place.

Is Knockout a tumblr sexyman?

>>149261471
Prime is just really disappointing in areas despite having a lot of promise, which makes it more upsetting than stuff like the UT which was not likely to be that great from the start.
Not having cable wouldn't matter because this was the era youtube gave no fucks and you could upload episodes in 3 parts on it.

>>149260754 (OP)
Question, wasn't there a remaster of the first 2 seasons that made the picture clearer, brighter, and didn't had the terrible PAL2NTSC blurry frame blending?

>>149261919
This all I could find and it's a fan remaster

https://youtu.be/O5SIZ7oDGGU?feature=shared

>>149261503
He had potential but they didn't develop him. Id say it was inconsistency to blame but a lot of the characters weren't super well defined yet, someone had to bite the bullet though

>>149261503
>Wouldn't mind if Inferno or Waspinator had bitten the dust in his place.
No, they should have had him become Quickstrike.

>>149260754 (OP)
Prime was the last time I really got invested in a TF show. I miss being excited for them.

>>149262366
Fuzors always felt like they got less remembered because of the Trans metals being pre established characters

>>149262860
I thought they were cooler

>>149262860
I dunno about that, anyone who even casually watched Beast Wars knows Silverbolt.

>>149262860
Everyone loved Silverbolt but nobody gave a shit about Quickstrike because he barely did anything.

>>149262860
Character traits aside, most Fuzors were extremely mediocre design wise. Silverbolt was the only actually great one.

>>149263374
>>149263635
I disagree I liked Quickstrike more because I favored villains. But also I liked the Fuzors toy designs

Sky Shadow was my favorite, this was like beast wars aesthetic full blast. Barely looks robot, just some grotesque organic snarling thing. I love how BW had so many gimmicks that really played with the concept of how to do techno organic transformers

>>149263886
It makes so much sense when you learn that part of the design aesthetic of BW is Guyver.
And while never stated like the Guver comparison was, I think Beast Machines Maximals were trying to be like Evangelion and other late 90s designs.
>>149263374
The tricky thing is Quickstrike comes along at a time when the day-to-day villain grunt stuff becomes less important. Season 1 at least let all the villains get one spotlight episode where something they did mattered or stood out- Quickstrike is just there to be a grunt. Megatron can basically handle himself alone and if anything his henchmen sometimes make things worse(which I wish they would've used as BM Megatron's motivation- Megatron lost because even the one Pred he thought he controlled betrayed him. Megatron being against individual sentience can work, but because it's Beast and Machines, they just had it be because he's the Machines part. )
Once he has Rampage(and later Dinobot II), everyone else starts to just be either a lesser extra hand, or at odds with him.
Biggest thing he did was pilot the OpOp suit, which was just him being wrangled into Tarantulas' scheme. Scorponok at least made his Cyberbee.

>>149261503
I like how much thought went into the Predacons. They are a gang of dissidents inspired by the people you find in those groups irl.

Megatron is the demagogue/local cult leader.
Waspinator is the disgruntled bottom feeder.
Tarantulas is the undercover cop. At first he is the deviant who would only find tolerance in fringe circles.
Terrorsaur is the backstabbing narcissist.
Dinobot is the idealist who has lost faith in the establishment.
I guess Scorponok is the personality cultist.

>>149263886
This makes me think too how the 90s just had fun

As a kid I knew many animals weren't so cartoonishly vicious but I liked the fantasy

Today it's like, you need to make the lizard have small teeth and the rat can't have glowing evil eyes, some adult sperg will complain on twitter

>>149263886
I was going to bring up Sky Shadow, loved that toy

>>149261577
Yeah though not in a bad way

>>149261503
I can see why he and Terrorsaur bit the dust in the end, beyond Hasbro-mandated reasons.

Scorponok had been consistently inconsistent. Sometimes he was the inventor/tech guy, sometimes he was just a brute. Sometimes he was reasonably intelligent, sometimes he talked like a 'tard. His only truly consistent trait was him being genuinely loyal to Megatron and then Inferno came along and completely upstaged him.

>>149261577
Most definitely and one of the few that don't suck shit ass

>>149264098
>>149263886

Based

Prime was based aside from humans

>>149261230
*Second most superior

>>149265390
Fowler is based

>>149261471
I thought most Prime haters were Animatedfags because they said Animated got cancelled for it.
>>149265390
I first watched Prime a couple years ago and honestly I was surprised how much I didnt dislike the humans or how little they actually seem to get involved. Outside Jack we don't see their home life and outside a couple early episodes like the drag race one we don't really see their school life either. Also Silas was pretty cool for a human villain.

>>149264144
>Sometimes he was reasonably intelligent, sometimes he talked like a 'tard.
This has to do with Scorponok inheriting a lot of Insecticon's lines in the script after he was cut from production

Here's how I like to imagine how the Predacons would look like pre-Beast Wars with Combiner Wars figures.

>>149267209
I didn't know John Botcon himself lurked these threads

>>149267209
Waspibation should be a chopper

>>149267689
he is literally a Vortex recolor in that pic

>>149267909
Huh

>>149267689

>>149269413

>>149262860
fuzors got less remembered because they were the biggest jobbers in the show outside Waspinator.

Whatever its faults, Prime gave us one of the best versions of Starscream we've ever had. Seriously, threading the needle of making sure he had all of his defining traits while *also* making him a nuanced and dynamic character who poses a legitimate threat can't have been easy, but they pulled it off.

>>149267209
I appreciate the effort, but I also wish BW pre-BW modes weren't locked into being modern day Earth vehicles so often.
I can sort of headcanon it into 20th century Earth being SO important to Cybertronians they keep on using similar altmodes, but it still feels disappointing that they're canonically from 300 years after the end of the war in G1, which for all we know could've been another few hundred years after the 21st century.

>>149270468
Well they weren't all earth modes, but some got used

>>149271600
True, that Optimus is probably one of the best choices they've made.

>>149272584
I diggit, Dinobot and Waspinator are the only ones I feel don't hit the mark

How would people feel if there was fiction that delved deeper into Beast Wars Megatron's backstory?

There was a line in the the Season 2 finale that suggested that (perhaps at one point) he had fought to free the Predacons from the oppression placed on them by the Maximals due to their ancestors, the Decepticons, losing the Great War.

>Urr. The Great War. Where the Autobots defeat the Decepticons. And thus their descendents, the Maximals, rule we Predacons.
>Archaic energon-guzzlers! How dare they! [Not sure if referring to the Autobots or Maximals]
>Hmm. Unwilling though I was to follow my namesake’s instructions, it has all come down to this. The ultimate risk for the ultimate prize.
>A day of reckoning with those who made us slaves!

Could he have at one point had been a sympathetic freedom fighter of sorts before his inevitable descent into megalomania? I could see him chafing under the thumb of the Maximal rule, as well as thinking the Tripredacus Council are cowardly idiots who don't have the Predacon people's best interests at heart.

>>149273541
Sometimes there is. He's an apprentice mobster being trained by Cryotek.

>>149273541
I think he was just a regular old narcissist who wanted to be great like Megatron. Remember, this is going off G1, which never had Megatron be particularly against tyranny and in fact is the guy who murdered the actual freedom fighter Prime before Optimus.

He even mentions he's not that willing to go through with it to put Megatron in charge, HE wants to be in charge specifically. I don't think he was ever sympathetic, just a guy who admired the original Megatron for what he was. Power and control incarnate.

Also the "Energon Guzzlers" line refers to Autobots, the whole "Great upgrade" they mention in-show is referring to them shrinking to use way less energon. That's why he's tiny compared to Megs

>>149273541
I really don't want to bring up Beast Machines, because it got everything wrong including him and his weird new organic racism before making a virus that only didn't kill you if you had organic parts, but he did come back and just rule the place so I'm going to wager he never particularly cared about anyone's interests but his own. He's okay with nuking an entire timeline if it means he personally gets to rule.

>>149273713
>>149273584
>>149273287
Megalomania and ego define BW Megs, G1 is more a cold utilitarian belief in might makes right

>>149273541
My dream TF series is basically one set on BW era Cybertron where you see all the ins-and-outs of the situation going on over there. The Maximals, lead by a veteran Autobots, divided between how to approach uprising Predacon tension with different shady approaches like creating Rampage. Maximal spies investigating the underworld of Predacons and using underhanded tactics. Older Predacons from the last days of the war who lead movements to inspire young predacons to fightback and win Cybertron back.
It would be cool to see old Autobots jaded over their Maximal successors starting to overstep their boundaries and antagonizing to start a war.
I don't think Megatron should be entirely sympathetic, but seeing him as a young criminal in this underworld who leverages his own ambitions through a greater cause could be interesting.

>>149273584
One of the few things I really liked about Beast Machines is that it gave an explanation as to why they're all so small.

>>149273541
>>149273584
I think the (accepted head)canon is that he changed his name to Megatron pretty much purely to garner attention

>>149274325
Well Beast Wars already had the Energon guzzlers line
It's funny, if you look at the last few G1 lines you have Pretenders(have organic shells), Micromasters(make them smaller) and then Beast Wars is basically like givving MM build in Pretender shells.

>>149274448
Spot on. In the Marvel comics they even mentioned how MicroMasters are super energy efficient and MUCH stronger than their comparative size would suggest (a four Bot patrol was enough to fight A PRETENDER, and those were supposed to be much stronger than a regular bot). When BW came out, it felt like a natural evolution for me. And they even have thrown in a line about "protective shells" when choosing beast modes, which (by a happy accident) made people think about pretender shells.

BW is peak.

>>149260754 (OP)
>Beast Wars
>Animated
>Prime
The best Transformers are those who are not G1 nostalgia.
Except the X of Cybertron games.

>>149274724
Wasn't Pretenders retconned to be the basis of the Maximal/Predacon organic transformation?

>>149275498
Is some media, yes. When BW first came out, Mainframe knew very little about TF (and especially little about the lore heavy Marvel comics), but fans took note of every word that could have referenced something G1 related and started asking them about it. So Mainframe did the most reasonable thing possible and ran with it, adding more G1 callbacks and direct connections along the way. Originally "the great war" Primal and Megatron talk about wasn't even about G1, but Mainframe was smart enough not to fight the fans but rather build upon their knowledge and suggestions (within reason). Why do you think they got Simon Furman to write the finale? And then their work influenced the entire brand pretty much forever.
>>149275487
Good taste and correct order (from best to "worst").

>>149275560
What hits me is that at least Animated and Prime basically focus on different aspect of Marvel G1. The former revisit the superhero roots while the latter explore the cosmology. BW is mostly its own thing.
Now, I want something that revisist the post-war, Season 3 Rodimus SF of G1, but with a modern coat of paints.

>>149275588
Cyberverse did literally that. Space travel arc on the Ark, Quintessons, City Bots, focus on Cybertron, weird robot civilizations, monsters and random space adventures, alretnate dimensions and post-war negotiations and fragile peace.
The show had problems and an awful season 1, but it had it's charm. And an insane named character bodycount.

>>149260754 (OP)
I think prime was better because the ending was bad but not as bad as beast machines.

I like Prime's version of mass shifting. Despite being way more taller than her alt form, Arcee is depicted as way lighter than her teammates. Same with predaking, despite being almost the same size as Megatron in bot form, he had super heavy footstep that implied he was as heavy as his dragon form.
Basically, I like the implication that mass is conserved despite the size varying.

>>149275487
Aren't they all G1 nostalgia

Even BM has Easter eggs like showing g1 Soundwave

>>149274724
TF has always been pretty good at justifying gimmicks in fiction

>>149276234
To be fair that’s less Easter egg and probably more just having all the G1 model assets from BW and needing some robotic designs to depict Cybertronians

This episode spooked the shit outta me as a kid.

>Prime was flawed and in ways fumbled the ball, but it still had more to value than most and certainly in the upper echelon of TF shows.
I mean, it would be there by fucking default since the franchise's media is 70% bad anime that was badly dubbed too making weak become weaker.

>>149277223
HI Lily Orchard.

>>149275907
That's basically picking up how the movies handled it initially. Because some people were still upset over stuff like not using Soundwave or being able to be a tapedeck , or that Megatron couldn't be a gun, they used Frenzy as a way to show how mass shifting would've worked in real life.

>>149275630
>The show had problems and an awful season 1
even that awful season 1's got some damn good episodes like Shadowstriker, Megatron is my Hero and Maccadams. its still worth the watch, besides you can breeze that shit through within a few hours.

>>149273541
>Could he have at one point had been a sympathetic freedom fighter of sorts before his inevitable descent into megalomania?
considering thats what regular Megatron is now, i'd rather Beast Megatron not be that, i think what WFC Trilogy did to him was the worst thing ever, turning him into a loser simp instead of having his own agenda and scheme was lame and gay. like Beast Megatron did admire the original but would totally doublecross him if it served his goals.

>>149275630
>The show had problems and an awful season 1
Hilariously enough, the same can be said for Animated, too, despite Seasons 2 and what small amount of 3 I watched.

>>149278176
I would like to see to version of size shifting:
One with mass conserved, where the robot mode are as heavy as their vehicles modes despite being way taller.
The other is size chaning in spirit, where bots like Starscream have actually transformation that match their mass, but he can connect to a unit to do the full transformation (think of the toys). For example, Starscream only transform into the front of a jet, and the rest become a power armor or a flying drone. Basically, every bots who should be bigger as their alt form implies are Optimus/Rodimus like bots with multiple units.

>>149279170
>For example, Starscream only transform into the front of a jet, and the rest become a power armor or a flying drone. Basically, every bots who should be bigger as their alt form implies are Optimus/Rodimus like bots with multiple units.
Fire Convoy basically does this- the front that turns into his basic robot mode isn't meant to be a proper separate vehicle(well they try by making his gun into a tricycle wheel, but it's clearly not meant to be a real vehicle). Then he has armor for his full form.

>>149278775
He's a trex

>>149279242
RiD had the best, most eye candy transformations of them all.

>>149278775
Could some of the other Predacons have joined Megatron in his schemes out of the hope for a possible better life for themselves and the Predacon people have a whole to escape being under the Maximals' thumb?

>>149261577
somewhat

>>149261577
He's a fujo-magnet.

>the pure joy megatron feels over fighting optimus all alone in the finale
PSYCHOtron.......................

>>149283373

>>149283381

>>149283393

>>149283408
great finale
good second half of the show
really boring first half
6/10
would buy a megatron, starscream, jetfire, and optimus toy

>>149278775
I feel if you're gonna have them coexist is that the major difference is G1 Megatron has genuine good intentions, warped as they are, behind his methods. He wants Cybertron to prosper, no matter what state it's in.
BW Megatron sees that and only focuses on the power he held. He wants everything for himself. G1 Megatron would never stoop to the lows BW Megatron would like killing his most loyal men or assimilating all of Cybertron to supplant Primus. G1 Megs would be disgusted by him.

>>149273541

I guarantee the 'oppression' Megatron is always bitching about is probably something along the lines of teaching protoforms how many genocides the Decepticons committed over the course of the great war.

>>149283897
Nah the Maximals definitely had their own skeletons in the closet, I mean, jesus, look at Rampage, that's what his whole deal was all about

>>149283897
the maximals knowingly made rampage because they were perplexed about how starscream just couldn't die
they're morally questionable in some areas but that's still way better than the tripredacus council, who based on how you interpret them either originate from the cybertronian equivalent of satan (unicron) or the other cybertronian equivalent of satan (liege maximo)

>>149278775
>>149283686
>You were supposed to understand...
>I'll MAKE you understand.

>>149283513
>would buy a megatron, starscream, jetfire, and optimus toy
Well you're pretty much in luck in that regard

>>149284008
>>149283897
The tripredacus council being an outside entity who for some reason managed to position itself as the Predacon ruling class, but also doesn't care about their existence, also lends some credence to Megatron's grievances.
Actually come to think of it, its somewhat bittersweet that Ravage died with his last act being to go against the council that would've gladly erased him, and Tarantulas was going to effectively kill his past self when he destroyed the Ark.
And makes sense why Tarantulas' drones never ultimately bothered rebuilding him like the others.

odds watch animated
evens watch prime

>>149284038
i've been sticking to just buying MPs so not really desu

I don't know if we're supposed to talk about the movies here, but I watched Age of Extinction for the first time the other day and Optimus killing Kelsey Grammer is perhaps the funniest thing I've ever seen happen in this franchise.

>>149283513
Easily in the top 5 of megatron.

>Brutal, but not idiotic.
>He plans shit out but can still be blinded by his own ego from time to time.
>He doesn't actually hate Starscream and thinks he can do great things, but he's not afraid to kick his ass when he gets out of line.
>Is actually good to his men and as a result they're mostly loyal, with two obvious exceptions. They truly believe in the cause, even the former autobot he saved when his fellow bots abandoned him.
>Genuinely loves fighting but actually has a character moment at the end where he recognizes that this trait is ultimately going to doom their world in more ways than one.
>Kickass final battle with Prime
>Goes out taking Unicron with him because its the only way to be sure.

Really if the first half of the show wasn't a kind of lame pokemon ripoff and the subsequent sequels didn't undo literally all that good shit this whole series would've been top tier.

>>149284342
>I was just trying to do my job, and what does that oversized hauler trolley say to me? "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings." As if I didn't know that. But what he forgot to mention is that freedom comes with significant responsibilities. Such as not letting aliens blowing up our planet over the intergalactic equivalent of a rubix cube! I mean, clearly this is the work of some sort of aimless and quite frankly depressed gang of cybernetic xenomorph bums who have regressed to the level of squabbling children!
>"Maybe next time you ought to bring them food stamps and tell them to just 'pull yourselves up by your break lines'. I'm sure that'll go over swimmingly with the Decepticons."
>Oh come now Niles. Even you can appreciate that it's not safe to have twenty to fourty feet robots gallavanting around causing property damage.
>"Yes, but at least I don't bring up Jungian psychology every time I complain about it."
>No.
>You just remind everyone about how your wife rose up from Inferno for the second time this year.
>"True. But with botched tan jobs like those it's hard to ignore."

>>149284398
the first half feels like a slap on the face when ultimately only the 3 super weapons mattered and every other micron in the universe woke up and followed the autobots when they left earth
they should have gathered the microns that weren't used by each bot like they were doing in a few episodes after megatron got the star saber

>>149285600
gathered the microns offscreen i mean

>>149286836
which episode was this again

>>149262860
It's because the show only had TWO Fuzors.
Tigerhawk doesn't count as that was more of a Transmetal 2.

>>149262860
>>149287944
It's too bad they didn't do something with a third, since there were 3 pods but the 3rd bot exploded or suffered catastrophic failure after leaving the pod.

>>149283686
thats exactly it.

>>149285600
The gimmick as a whole really held it back because aside from the kids token minicons, we don't get them interacting with the main bots much. Swindle might've had the biggest relationship with Starscream just because he spent 2 seconds mourning him.

>>149288992
I watched the dub and it feels like there was a tug of war with the staff's ideas.

4kids level voice direction. It's not that the VA's are bad, David Kaye and Gary Chalk know how to act, minicon treasure hunt, problem of the week episodic format. Only for the Starscream desertion to happen and the plot start to go full tilt away from that and it's like it was trying to be two thoroughly different shows. But bad. Sideways and the Decepticon side of the show, and the war times plot, made it look like there was a Transformers series hidden in a Pokemon rip off, it's weird to watch.

>>149289176
It's not a great show, but I always found the Pokemon accusations incredibly boomeresque. Being an anime and the minicons being small things to collect are the only comparisons, but as "characters"(if you can call most of them that) they act entirely different
As a late 90's/2000's kid, I've seen plenty of monster raising/fighting anime and the way minicons are treated on Armada are nothing like how they are in those. The monsters in those shows hinge on having some sort of personality or gimmick and the characters attachment to them is what drives the story. In effect, most minicons are no different that any easter egg hunt plot in any other TF show.

>>149289298
You are overthinking my comparison. I only used it because another anon said so and it was apt. Maguffin of the week has less of a directly relatable impact as pokemon.

>>149289298
i think what makes Armada work so well is the dark shocking revealation at the end that the mcguffins you gotta collect em all are actually created from the cells of Unicron as the means to feed off the conflict of the Transformers, turning them as pawns of an eldritch abomination for such a nefarious and evil way, is awesome and terrifying.

>>149289313
No I get it, and I wouldn't deny Pokemon was a factor in the play factor of the line, but in execution, the Macguffin of the week is just so common as a TF plotline anyway. The minicons just make those Macguffins into robot shapes but the whole story structure of each faction looking for something that will turn the order of power in their favor is just such a common thread in TF stories. So if anything, that aspect just makes it like any other TF series.
>>149289358
That, and the last episodes angle with both Optimus and Megatron actually enjoying fighting is the most animé esque angle to the whole thing, imo.

I know long time fans would hate this, they hate any Prime that goes against G1, but I think OP should be really into fighting in every continuity, letting it slip just once so a viewer can catch it.

In the Aligned novel series, he hates war, but was fascinated by going to Kaon to meet Megatron. He learns how to fight from Jazz, and is kind of cocky. Enjoying fighting for fun vs Enjoying fighting because war are what I think OP and Megs should keep as a rivalry.

also Armada fans if you're going to TFCon Toronto next weekend, Michael Dobson (voice of Unicron Trilogy Starscream) will be attending.

>>149289866
>they hate any Prime that goes against G1, but I think OP should be really into fighting in every continuity

An Optimus who enjoys himself and isn't against fighting really was how he was like in G1 Season 1/2.
Hot take, but the G1 movie did some of the worst damage to Optimus Prime's character. It basically made him a series of epic soundbites and somberness. No one ever really leans into how he can just fight through the Decepticons singlehandedly or is willing to execute Megatron right there. Being this stoic, epic leader fit for the movie, but its earned after two seasons.
I remember seeing a video essay from a casual fan who started with Bayformers and watched last year that was popular for a bit, and they talked about how Optimus in Season 1 and 2 felt wonky and not properly ironed out..and it was frustrating to hear because I like Season 1/2 Optimus, especially the dam fight scene where he says Megatron is old and ready for the scrapheap which he singled out as not sounding like Optimus. That's one of my favorite moments of G1 Optimus being more rough and tumble, but to a guy who was a kid for the Bay movies and Prime it feels "off" compared to the Optimus who has to be stoic and somber.

>>149290222
I didn't see G1 Optimus as someone who enjoyed fighting. He wasn't against it, but he wasn't sparring or looking for a fight the way Cliffjumper was. All the other bots needed leashes.

I'd say Prime did more damage to OP as a whole because nobody read the books and just assumes he's a blank faced stoic (excluding Red Energon moment) and that image was his default for years.

ONE gives orion the G1 assholish behavior back but they immediately toned him back down when he went Prime.

>>149288992
i'd say the star saber microns had more interaction with starscream than grid/swindle desu
also yeah you'd think the autobot's microns would at least be seen roaming around the base doing stuff or hanging out with the kids but nope they're just not seen at all
a lot of missed potential with these guys desu

>>149290454
Maybe not looking for a scrap, but he wasn't mournful about fighting or having to resort to violence.
That sort of cockiness you mentioned isn't far from what G1 Optimus occasionally had, and he has a sense of sportsmanship that I could see leaning into more for enjoying sparring and having some thrill for battle.
Armada Optimus isn't outright looking for fights, but it's a point in the end of Armada that a part of him enjoys it too.

dinobot may look busted as hell but his soul is radiant

>>149260754 (OP)
>Transformers Prime
the excessive focus on the obnoxious humans kept the show from being any good

>>149291485
I know it's a show for 9 year olds, but there's something weird about how invested the voice actors and writers are in the show vs how it's meant to be seen by kids.

I've watched the panels and the way the actors talk about behind the scenes makes it seem like they could lean deeper into an adult series but then Miko is there to give Bulkhead a cyber brain tumor

Rescue Bots didn't feel like it was meant to be a different series, but the Ratchet/Wheeljack/Soundwave episode was older teen skewing. Wheeljack/Bulkhead bomb threat too.

>>149291992
I mean shows can be "for kids" while also not being kiddy, this is exactly why so many 90s series like BW and Batman TAS are still held in high esteem years later, theres more to it than nostalgia

Prime seemed like it was a genuine attempt to be a larger appealing show in that vein but it was kinda botched, though not to the point where it's garbage or not worth existing or w/e like some people claim. Realistically, what show is ever a "10 out of 10" anyway when it comes to cartoons? Even my favorite ones, such AS BW or Batman TAS have their own minor flaws and such too

>AIR COMMANDER STARSCREAM
>OF THE DECEPTICON BATTLE FLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET

I feel like Beast Wars is definitely the most influential TF series after G1.
>Introduced Blackarachnia/Airachnid
>Introduced Sparks
>Introduced Protoforms
>Introduced the Covenant of Primus, properly introduced Primus into the series to people who haven't read the comics
>Explained Starscream having a ghost as a one in a million oddity which most adaptations that have him as an immortal entity go with (or just him rubbing against the Allspark)
>Megatron's characterization influenced future Megatrons like Animated and Prime's
>Megatron's speech from when he shot Optimus Prime is almost definitely the building blocks for Megatron's characterization in later series like IDW, Prime, and ONE
I wish Hasbro would try a Beast Wars reboot/continuation rather than always doing G1 nowadays.

>>149293394
I wish Beast Machines got a do-over.

It felt like a novel written by a fan who always saw the mature part of the series but in no way should have been televised the way that it was. Nightscream and his Furfest boyfriend had so much self-insert written into them I thought I was watching deviantart

>>149293394
The only way I'd like to see a new BW series is one of two ways
>Just a full on remake of the original with modern (and good, not like netflix) animation
Or
>A series that ignores Beast Machines, and just has more Beast Wars, using secondary teams made up of toy characters who never got in the show

And yeah I know the latter one, was kinda what the old IDW BW comics did, but it could be done better. Those comics were basically just long easter eggs and really only Razorbeast, Ravage, and Magmatron had any significant characterization

>>149287887
Megatrons master plan

>2015
>60 episodes of nothing but filler and maybe 5 decent episodes
>best of the series is the last 15
Did they get a budget last minute? Cybertron looked so nice and they had almost all Team Prime. Save for Arcee.

>>149293211
This episode didn't make any sense. Wasn't he killed by Galvatron?

>>149294649
In Season 3 of the G1 cartoon it’s shown that Starscream “survives” as a ghost that can possess other Transformers, hence the plot of the Beast Wars episode, where they explain it being due to Starscream's unique spark. Of course, Starscream was revived by the end of Season 3 but let’s not talk about that.

>>149289298
I'm just slightly older than you so I was a "big kid" during the time.

Pokemania had run its course for us, and it was in that phase of being considered "for babies". Equating Armada to Pokemon was like a dual edged thing, it was making fun of the series going to kiddy anime as well as the Minicon thing obviously tapping into those trends

You will find similar comparisons for RiD2015, which likewise was a more "anime tinged", lighthearted show that came after the more Western and more serious TFP, many people immediately dismissed it because of the shonen/sentai esque monster of the week formula, and just feeling more lighthearted and kid appeal in general

Armada also turned off a lot of people just because of the toys, and as someone who tapped out, but since gone back to appreciate a lot of the toys in the Energon and Cybertron lines, I still really dislike Armada's figures......yes the "playskool" colors and over reliance on gimmicks is a fault, but for me the designs were just really ass a lot of the time. Little things like Cyclonus having Curly Joes face, guns on his knees of all places with like odd proportions, Demolishor having gun turrets for fingers, idk, I give credit for doing different things but those things still turn me off

>>149295182
I'm really waiting a new Demolisher toy

>>149295424

Death's Head. Nice.

>>149261503
Inferno was great, but it's really obvious he was meant to have died at the end of season 2, they gave him nothing in season 3.

>>149262149
Season 1 was as long as 2 and 3 combined, though. They absolutely could have taken the time to give him some spotlight, but just never bothered, and it stands out in a show where most of the other characters did get defined pretty quickly.

>>149284599
>underappreciated post
Keep going, anon.

Weren't the minocons just reporpussed GoBots?

>>149294854
>Of course, Starscream was revived by the end of Season 3 but let’s not talk about that.
I mean, we can. It's a plotpoint that not only was he found but his spark was found to be immortal by the maximals specifically, hence why Prime says Maximals specifically classified his information, leading them to do a bunch of shady shit that eventually resulted in Rampage. The fact he wasn't originally a ghost when the maximals found him is pretty important to the story, as without it they never manage to find out his spark can't die. That they only bring up Galvatron killing him follows the episode too, since he wasn't seen by anyone in a non-ghost form by and large, was confirmed to be a ghost by both Autobots and Decepticons, and even Cyclonus seemed to think he was still a ghost when Galvatron shot at him.

>>149295631
No. There were some winks and nods to them in the dub, like Optimus's minicon being called "Leader 1", but that's about it obviously since Go-bots are a different company.

>>149296139
It is interesting that the maximals classified most of his stuff but Megatron and Dinobot knew full well his whole history of betrayal and all that.

It's one of those plotpoints that doesn't make sense at the time, why the fuck would Autobot descendants not want you to know everything and anything about the second in command of one of the worst villains of your history? What're they hiding, that time he dressed up as prime? Why? It makes no sense why it's "Classified" instead of just them not knowing it.

But then season 2 rolls around and it makes more sense, because now it seems like the Maximals found him when he was floating in the ether either in stasis from no-energon over millennia and found his spark still fully functional and tested on it, or they actually just fucking tried to kill him on the spot down to snuffing out his spark and his spark didn't die and they decided they wanted a piece of that. Regardless it makes more sense why most of his stuff just got thrown into the classified pile with his name since whatever they were doing, they didn't want anyone to know about it or that he likely escaped into the timestream the same way Rampage did, because of their fuckup.

>>149261503
>>149262366
What if they had brought Scorponok and Terrorsaur's sparks back as a pseudo Fuzor/Transmetal 2 hybrid like Tigerhawk in season 3?

Given Tigerhawk something to fight

>>149295631
You're probably thinking of Spy Changers from RID2001, who were just repaints of the G2 Gobots after Hasbro got the rights to that title

They were basically Hot Wheels cars who could transform, literally made so you could use them on your Hot Wheels tracks since like every kid had them back then, something you don't see a lot on the toy business. Of course when RID2001 came along, they like had autistic level of "the show designs must be just like the toys" so they literally made their characters made from these molds be mini bots, though not as mini as Minicons

>>149261503
he was the closest thing to Soundwave in BW, he even had his own drone

>>149294649
>Wasn't he killed by Galvatron?
it was his ghost, the real reason it didn't make any sense is how did a ghost travel millions of years into the past

>>149273541
A mini-series about the OG cast before the start of the show would be a dream come true for me

>>149297822
Spirits are outside of time and space. DC does a similar thing where reincarnations are non-linear so two people who have the same soul can exist at the same time.

>>149296803
they rule

>>149296803
>first girl transformer with a toy

>>149297822
Wasn't there a weird energy around Earth

>>149299859
That was cum

>>149296163
>like Optimus's minicon being called "Leader 1
That was Megatron's minicon. Optimus's was Sparkplug, named after Spike's dad.

>>149260754 (OP)
>it was the closest we've come to Beast Wars of having nearly every character on both the "good" and "bad" teams being memorable and well executed.
If that's the closest then it still must be absolute shit because I don't fucking remember anyone besides the motorcycle mommy and that gay decepticon voiced by Timmy Turner's dad.

If "memorable characters" is the benchmark for quality, I'd say Animated did a much better job. Heck, even geewunn did a better job. Prime was bland as shit.

>>149261919
I torrented the chinese blu rays and those are pretty good.

>>149300489
I feel like Animated praise comes from people who haven't watched it since they were 7. It's like 80 percent filler and no action, Prime had many cool fights, a lot were Soundwave alone

>>149300552
animated didn't need action every episode. It established itself as a comedy action series

Prime on the other hand was poorly paced like any time they needed to show the people Jack knew at school. They were dropped faster than Season 1 G1 characters

>>149300552
Animated has been getting praise online consistently by people who were already adults since 2008, so I doubt that.
A lot of what you perceive as filler is was building up the characters.

>>149294649
>>149294854
>>149297822
I think anon's confusion might be coming from how Unicron is shown killing Starscream.
That said, it's clarified by Blacarachnia that he's lying and it was Galvatron who killed him. But that isn't depicted because Galvaron was probably more complex to render than Unicron.

>>149300552
i think that animated is remembered fondly BECAUSE of its lack of action. i love getting to know the characters, and seeing them dick around on earth.

a balance is needed, otherwise it'd just be slice-of-life, but i really like...watching them get into Situations

>>149300489
Prime Starscream is very, very sexy though

I think the only memory I can pull from this show is when Primal nearly went full 'Bay Optimus' on the Predacon crew. Other then that I didn't care for the show at all.

>>149265962
Makes me wish they had kept Insecticon or just gotten rid of his lines. Waspinator got a few of his lines, too.

>>149273584
>He even mentions he's not that willing to go through with it to put Megatron in charge, HE wants to be in charge specifically.
I think it was more he didn't want to risk time and space for G1 Megatron's plans, which is why he focused on his plans for conquering Cybertron by getting energon and Vok technology and only went to the Ark when his back was against the wall.

>>149283513
Kinda felt weird when this Optimus changed color theme-wise to be closer to Optimus Primal.
It's like the Japanes knew Gary Chalk would voice Armada Optimus.
>>149291449
I am mad that every continuum after the original Beast Wars that either features the OG BW cast or is a retelling of BW botches Dinobot's character.
Why can't they leave Dinobot how he is and simply keep adding more Shakespeare stuff to him instead? He even doesn't get a dignified death at all.

>>149301298
the IDW BW reboot completely missed the point of his character because the writer thought that Code of Hero was his character from day 1 instead of the culmination of 2 seasons worth of character growth

>>149301315
Yeah. That's what felt odd about that Dinobot.

>>149260754 (OP)
What a Prime example of a show....

>>149299257
She is busty.

>>149301202
Do you like other TF shows?

>>149301298
>It's like the Japanes knew Gary Chalk would voice Armada Optimus.
Aaron Archer confirmed he actually wanted Garry and David to reprise Optimus and Megatron again for Armada. what he liked about Beast Wars he wanted in Armada, like Starscream being the shows Dinobot character as well. it's worth nothing Aaron also designed the TM2 Dragon Megatron in Beast Wars his first actual Transformers design just before he took over the brand post Beast Machines.

>>149269753
For the left one:
>Why toy makerzzzz hate Wazzzpinator?

>>149302018
Transformers Armada and RID2025 piqued my interest and got me to watch them. I probably would have liked TF:Prime as well if the show overall was a completely dumpster fire with it's characters and plotlines.

>>149302522
that was before his cartoon animation model was finalized.

>>149302522
>>149302844
Funny thing is, the show head was the alternate head on the toy, which was called a mutant head to represent the beast mode influencing the robot mode.
The toy package art art use the mutant head, but in a sense this was meant to be his "real" face early on. I like to think Waspinator used to be a handsome chad robot with Thrust's personality, then got fucked up and made stupid and ugly.

>>149300552
>filler
Retard detected

>>149300552
Yeah turns out there's more to making a show memorable than "cool fights".

>>149301195
I do remember Starscream, but everything is in a vacuum. Almost like he was in his own separate show most of the time. And often, I find myself mistaking Animated moments of Starscream for Prime, simply because the former was more memorable.

Like that whole sequence of Starscream repeatedly getting murdered by Megatron and his goons only to come back—I legit re-imagined that in 3D CGI and with Steve Blum's voice, until I finally rememebered that Prime wasn't cool enough to have any scenes that fun.

Cybertron was peak Starscream.

>>149263886
I had that toy, defo my favorite (tho maybe because dinobot toys just didn’t get sold near me)
I also liked the scorpion cobra one

>>149302523
That's some of the most unique tastes in preferred shows I've ever seen. Kinda interesting, especially since it feels like BW and Prime are considered somewhat analogous and if you like one you like the other generally. .

>>149300810
plus they uses the Unicron model later as the Aliens/Vok for the series 1 final

>>149304845
the Vok Unicron scene is still the most unnerving moment in the franchise, Blu Mankuma's Vok Unicron voice is the stuff of nightmares there, lots of fear and dread. it's one of my all time favourite moments in the entire franchise.

>>149304845
>>149305072
Well a different model. I wonder if in part it's because the G1 movie VHS was easier to come by for reference than other G1 episodes. G1 was out of print for years in the 90's and never got that many episodes on tape, since complete series home video releases were mainly for miniseries or anime.
A shame they couldn't get Blu Mankuma back for Armada, on that note

>>149305148
Mark Acheson's Unicron was also terrifying, but it helps he's playing arguably the scariest take on Unicron still.

its even funnier knowing later on he'd voice comic relief retard Crumplezone as well.