I never see anyone discuss this, even amidst all the constant culture wars on /co/, so let's try to have a reasonable discussion about this.

I don't care about lesbians in cartoons and whatnot, but one thing that keeps bugging me is how, in the animation released in the last decade, the female characters are often not allowed to have boobs. There are a few exceptions, but for the most part, it's all either sticks or shortstacks, with flat or really small chests.

Now I'm an ass person more than a boobs person, but this still feels kinda wrong to me. It's fine if there are SOME flat characters, but when it's being done so much it starts to feel like deliberate censorship.

I've been thinking about potential reasons for this and right now I think it has to be a mix of these three factors:
>1) female writers and artists in Hollywood are insecure about their boob size and try to make it a non-factor in their work, creating a perfect fictional world where they will never be judged for having small boobs
>2) it's part of the effort to dilute gender barriers in order to homogenize products as much as possible; if you pretend boobs don't exist then you can focus on sexualizing asses on both males and females and erase gender differences; depending on how schizo you want to get this can feed into the trans movement or trying to turn all the males gay or whatever but I think it's primarily about trying to slowly erase the concept of a gendered target demographic
>3) good ol' American puritanism, this is readily accepted in part because many out-of-touch business people in the industry still think kids' media should be sanitized as much as possible because that's how it was 50 years ago when they were kids

Do you anons think I'm onto something? Do you have any explanations of your own for this?

>>149276632 (OP)
Didn't Sugar and Stevenson both come out as non-binary later on? Explains a lot in their cases.

>>149276632 (OP)
flatness is justice or thick is truth?

>>149276632 (OP)
I think the anime driven "flat is justice" stuff plays a factor too.

>>149277077
flat is justice is a stupid meme japs love big boobs

>>149276632 (OP)
Blame lefty puritanism.

>>149276632 (OP)
It's a bit annoying. Like feminine features need to be hidden or shunned.

>>149277127
Original for comparison.
Flat, featureless, as "female" as I feel they could stomach while still being paradoxically gender-neutral.

>>149276632 (OP)
Have of your examples are teenagers and Asian women.

>>149277249
Nta but teens have boobs

Sneed

>>149276632 (OP)
Too much listening to women saying male gaze in cartoons gives them "the ick" as a cope for being ugly or having repulsive personalities.

>>149276632 (OP)
A lot of the characters in this image are asians or children and shouldn’t be counted. Mizu from Blue Eye Samurai canonically binds her breasts and definitely shouldn’t be on there. A lot of them, particularly from Encanto, seem like they have normal sized boobs, but they are wearing loose clothing that doesn’t flatter or accentuate the breasts like other fashions do.

I know the thing you’re talking about, it really does feel like modern female characters much more often have flatter chests than they did in the whole 20th century and the early 2000s. Personally, I think it’s partly because artists are moving away from a token female one size fits all ideal hourglass figure, which used to be a very common for female characters. And also a lot of flat characters are teenagers and artists are now much more conscious and wary of drawing them in a sexualized way and want to tone them down so they don’t get accused of being perverts.

>>149277560
Which ones are children?

>>149277584
Infinity Train chick, Teenage Kraken chick, all or most of the Encanto chicks that aren’t mothers, Jentry Chau, She Ra, and possibly some of the characters I don’t happen to know on there are all teens.

>>149277683
Those aren't children, retard.

>>149277702
Teenage girls are more likely to have smaller boobs than adult women, it’s just fact. A normal 15 year old character shouldn’t be drawn with the same full size boobs as a 30 year old women character, unless you are intentionally making the character an exceptionally busty 15 year old. They are minors and it is sometimes okay and normal to draw them to look like they have the bodies of minors.

>>149277702
>i identify as an ephebophile, not a pedophile! learn the difference!!

>>149277748
I had seven female classmates at 15 and only one of them was flat

>>149276632 (OP)
even if some of them are flat I give them some kind of boobage so they don't have a man's chest.

>>149277792
They probably seemed bigger when you were a kid yourself, same way little kids think all adults are giant. Most of the teens I see look more and more like babies to me as I get older.

>>149276632 (OP)
Don’t worry, modern SpongeBob's got you covered.

Animation-wise modern SB is all kinds of rebellious with how well-animated it is for a modern cartoon and how fun it looks to work on, and this also shows with how they have the balls to make their females hot unlike any beanmouth show these days.

>>149276632 (OP)
>I never see anyone discuss this
Were you blind between 2010s and now?
Most complaints about redesigns and revivals of old material revolved around worries of de-chesting, I at least recall that with Carol Danvers. Not just her comic but any future appearances in animation or videogames.

People just gave up when no amount of complaint did anything, and of course on cue your sort stumbles out of whatever daze you were in after the rally's dispersed and start asking why no one bothered to pipe up. If word couldn't even reach someone supposedly concerned like you what do you imagine it was achieving for others?

>>149277748
I don't know about america but in my country, 13-14 years old girls have boobs of decent size.

>>149277091
they also love pre pubescent children

>>149277908
In that case, I’ll concede that these things can be subject to racial dispositions. Some countries really do have bigger boobs than others, which is why I pointed out that a lot of the girls in OP’s image are asian and look normal for their heritage.

And while we’re on the subject: The Crystal Gems, sea monster girl, and She Ra aren’t even really human.

How come breasts are evil, but massive asses are fine?

Remember back when the people who designed Kim Possible had to give her extra weird pointy boobs, because they explicitly didn’t want her to be very busty, but the korean animators kept inflating characters’ chest size whenever boobs were rounder?

>>149278029
See the second point in OP. Because you can sexualize asses on both genders, so this aligns with the push to gradually erase gendered concepts in media

>>149278047
that reminds me of how the japanese animators gave Gumball's mom boobs in that anime episode

>/co/ is horny at all times
>when this topic comes up they're suspiciously silent
I'm nooooticing...

>>149279377
These threads are doomed to fail. The horney side of /co/ doesnt really care about how the characters look on-model. The other side are newfags that think 15 years old teens are children.

>>149278047
There were some occasional shots where her boobs looked sorta normal

It's because animation is being driven by white and asian women who are historically flat. If you want to see busty women again you're going to need showrunners of black and brown descent (pic related), but no one on either side of the aisle wants that.

>>149280999
Weird, anime is FULL of women with giant titties, so that can't be it.

>>149277119
Why are leftists puritanical about this kind of thing but then want sexual freedom (libertinage)?

>>149281017
Because anime is made by asian *men*.

>>149276632 (OP)
I posit it occasionally comes down to boobs being kind of hard to draw and animate. Think of the jiggle in fast movements, the squash/squish, it's got to be teardrop shaped but not too tear drop shaped because then that looks too fake, oh and don't forget the point of the nipple where do you put it? the classic 45-55 position is beautiful but now you've accidentally made them too perky ... oops you drew the points of the nips 2mm too low now they're drooping in a funny way ... ooops now she looks too fat and she's not a plus sized character... oops too close together... oops too realistic for the style... oops too suctioned into the clothes ... not hanging enough


I can see an artist, especially a somewhat lazy one, going F it, flat chest, this is just a bean mouth noodle arm design anyway

>>149278029
I think it's a bit like what they call safe horny. Having a big butt is also linked to being fat, and America wants to normalize that. Also It's okay to sexualize men of any age and weight, but God forgive you if you "sexualize" a woman under 30.

>>149281070
Some may tell you it is about power dynamics or some similar buzzword, but they're really just hypocrites who hate it when straight men enjoy something.

>>149281180
stop trying to make that a thing you fucking furry degenerate

>>149281359
It is a thing, and there's nothing you can do to change that. "Safe horny" is the sex negative feminists throwing out something lesbians, gays, and perverts will be aroused by in order to claim they are still sex positive and "highlighting a diversity of body types."

I can at least sorta understand that when it comes to adult characters. But fuckers like Andy for example are only 14 years old. So nothing against you OP. But some of your examples here are shit.

>>149276632 (OP)
>Media for primarly female children has women with normal breast sizes
You do realize the average breast size for a woman is a C cup, right? Minus the Blue Eye Samurai is for adults but is centered around a crossdressing woman, all of these children's/teen stories geared towards girls have no reason to give the female characters unrealistically large tits, because that's done for primarily male audiences. This happens in anime too where kiddy shows for boys like Yugioh have teen girls with E cups while kiddy shows for girls like Precure will have C cup character max but usually float around A or B for their leads.

>>149276632 (OP)
Agreed. It's a toxic mix of all, and fueled by the money of fuckers who think social engineering is a good thing.

>>149278029
breasts are inherently feminine

>>149276632 (OP)
>There are a few exceptions
Genuinely couldn't believe my eyes during this show.

>>149277843
too bad it's modern spongebob

>>149282535
TexMex slampig in need of bleaching.